Mike Vinakmens 0:00 This is a more than just podcast production Tim Mitra 0:02 Hey everybody Welcome to Episode 349 Of the more than just code podcast. My name is Tim Mitra and I'm in Toronto, Ontario. I'm joined once again by Mark Rubin down in San Jose, California blue. And on the other left coast we have Jaime Lopez Jr. in Seattle, Washington. How's it going? And as an extra special, you know, one more thing we have Joe Chmielewski in Boulder, Colorado. Hello, everyone. All right. Welcome to the show. friend of the show. Joe has been on this is probably your fifth time. I think we've done it. We tried to figure that out last time you were talking to me? Yeah. But Joe Cieplinski 0:46 the first first time recording with the other folks with with Mark and Ima. So this is really cool. And already you've answered a long, long standing mystery of mine. I was every time the way that Jaime says how's it going is so perfectly the same every single time that I swear it was a clip that you were just inserting Jaime López Jr 1:04 a soundboard. Tim Mitra 1:07 You know, it's funny, we we talked about that on spot cast too. And because Jonathan might my stepson wanted to know, you know, if he's, if he's always said that. And so I went back to the actual very first episode, of course, and I said to my clip on, on our chat, and yeah, Jaime said, how how's it going since the very first day? And exactly the same way? Joe Cieplinski 1:27 Yeah, it's his trademark. That's Jaime López Jr 1:28 perfect. Oh, Mark Rubin 1:29 you do know that one of our biggest secrets is that Jaime is CGI? Tim Mitra 1:33 Yeah, he's not a real VOCALOID. It's true when you were in three different time zones, because Joe was involved in Boulder. So he's in he's in mountain time Mark Rubin 1:44 here in Boulder, just Yep. Joe Cieplinski 1:45 Yep. That we're timezone that no one else understands. Mark Rubin 1:48 Yeah. You know, actually, I'm not sure we've ever met. So I've heard your name a million times. But good to meet you, Jeff. Joe Cieplinski 1:54 Yeah, same here. I don't. It's true. I don't think we have met officially but yeah, yeah, finally. Yeah. longtime listener, first time joining. I've done the live shows and stuff, which I don't think you've ever been editing the live shows that I've done, but I've never actually did the, you know, off offline, or what do you call this? I guess the studio version? Tim Mitra 2:15 Yeah. The clean. Jaime López Jr 2:15 We were remote before it was cool. Tim Mitra 2:19 We were using Zoom before it was cool. Yeah, that's Jaime López Jr 2:21 true. Tim continues to be the only host who has met all of the other hosts. Me and Greg. Greg has met everybody. Greg has met all the other Okay. Tim Mitra 2:30 There you go. I think but Greg. Greg Smith. Yeah. Well, if you've ever met Tammy, I mean, yes. Oh, you have Mark hasn't met time. Mark Rubin 2:38 I've never met him in person. Nope. Okay. All right. Tim Mitra 2:40 So yeah, so yeah, so you're close there. I mean, oh, mind you. Yeah. Because yeah, Greg knows Aaron because we from Toronto originally. Trying to track. Alrighty, okay, well, we're gonna let it slip to get to. So let's jump into the fact check. And I mean, you want to do the first one there? Yeah. So Jaime López Jr 2:58 in Episode 348, the one man Tim Show, he had stated that I'd met Steve Westgarth. Over at iOS Dev, UK, it was actually code Mobile UK, the 2019 edition, the pre pandemic edition. So does that correction there. There are two conferences that happen over there that I've been to como UK over in Chester. And I was dev UK in Aberystwyth. So did you did you do the iOS dev one virtually? Like from Seattle? Or? No? Back in 2019? We could travel for conferences, so I went to both Tim Mitra 3:32 cool All right, now I've got two shows the link in the show notes. Great. Alrighty. And so I was gonna call the ask and TJC Greg asks, because pretty much he's got most of the ask and TJ sees and this this next fact check actually came in through an ask him TJC release he tagged it that way because he's a faithful listen to the show. He points out that I got the characters wrong in terms of who set up the generator stations down in or what who the generalizations are named of name from into by, for name for in Niagara Falls, and it is Sir Adam Beck, not Sir Alexander Graham Bell. So I was wrong about that. And so Joe, Greg's got a link here from Twitter. Also, Greg sent me over a tweet and I'm just going to click on the link here because I want to get to it so he you know, we were talking about lists and I was talking about I think in my pick, so he sent me over a list of awesome swift UI slough swift things. And it's a pretty extensive list by I don't know how to say this siddur numerous and whatever. Anyway, but it's all kinds of things like it's you know, different platforms and programming languages front end back end security, gaming, you name it, there's all kinds of things in the like if you guys have seen maybe I should post a link in there for you guys so you can see but you know, no Jas stuff and yeah, I Mark Rubin 4:52 think you meant if you said swift UI, but this is not just what do I in fact, it's everything, everything but almost. Tim Mitra 4:58 Yeah, it's an awesome list. some awesome things, right? Yeah, all kinds of different, like Swift is in there. But Swift does, yeah. Rust, you know, go scanning through here real quick. The web tools, you know, J S, Angular polymer, HTML five, all the all the cast of characters, and it just goes on for days and days computer science things, you know, universities, you can go to the linguistics, Big Data theory, books, editors gaming. Oh, God gave me stuff. So yeah, cool. Thanks, Greg, for that one. And the last thing we have from asking PJC is actually from me, I think, yes. This is from James Thompson. When he was talking about the the newly released or the newly birth lockscreen for iOS 16. He suggests that perhaps we should we need a calculator on the lockscreen. I just thought that was a great, great idea, as Mark Rubin 5:51 well, with the new widget kit. I know I'm jumping ahead. But can't you write a little program into a widget? Didn't Wasn't there something about that? So you could put a calculator into the lock screen? Tim Mitra 6:02 Well, yeah, and friends of the show, or people who would be listening to share would know that James Thompson has if there's a platform owned by Apple out there, he will dutifully create a calculator version of P count. So looking forward to that we think i beta tested his his peak out for the Apple TV when it first came out, which was kind of cool. Alrighty, and then follow up. We got some couple of follow up stories here that should dig into before where she one really that's unrelated to WWDC, and that is about supply constraints. And this was a story that was floating around a couple of we've been talking about, you know, Chip shortages, and you know, difficulties in getting computers. I think, Mark, you had to wait a while for your new computer related computer. I had to wait almost six weeks for a couple of USB chargers for work just for backup stuff. And I think, Joe, you were saying you're having trouble getting a charger recently, right? Yeah, I Joe Cieplinski 6:52 left the power brick in Philadelphia was visiting my folks. And I thought, oh, you know, I'll just go buy a new one. And I'll leave one back there in case I ever forget to go back. And sure enough, I went to the Apple Store. And they're like, Nope, sorry. We've been out of stock for that a long time. I'm like, Okay, I'll just go to the online store. And I went to the online store. And yeah, the earliest I could get it down was August. So Wow. Just for power brick. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Tim Mitra 7:14 Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, you can't even go to a third party. Like, are there other Amazon solutions or something like that you could use or Joe Cieplinski 7:20 yeah, there are a number of things out there that are cheaper and more versatile, maybe. But a few people did recommend that I also had a few friends who offered to send me their extra ones, which I thought was very nice. I have a spare one. That's like a 67 watt. It's not quite the 96 Watt that my MacBook requires, but it's good enough to power it up and keep it going. So and then I plug into a thunderbolt hold hub at home anyway. So I don't really need that break that badly, either, because I'll just wait until August. But yeah, there are other third party ones that a couple of people pointed out. I don't know, I usually try to shy away from the really cheap ones because you never know where they're made and how are they gonna melt my computer or not? You know, I take it there are a few out there that are they're still pretty good quality. Tim Mitra 8:02 I still use I have an OLED display and I probably talked about on the show before but I have an iMac MagSafe adapters from the early PowerBooks or MacBooks. And with a little leaner with a little pin connector to make it into MagSafe two and then I've got a third party made in China. MagSafe two USBC that I use for powering my maximum house isn't burned down yet. You know, but I've been using it for about pretty much close to a year now. Alright, so I'm a house full of dongles as well. Alrighty, and you know, who knows with I don't know if we're gonna talk about on the show today. But I'm I'm hearing rumors that the European Union may force Apple to move away from MagSafe. Again, because they want everybody to standardize on USBC that's gonna come a Jaime López Jr 8:44 backpedal for Apple, probably not MagSafe it's probably lightning, since it would be the Porto lightning related rather, you can add other things, but you will have to support USBC as your primary connected like actually support not here's dongle town kind of stuff, but not in the European Union. So I can't speak to what's going on over there. Tim Mitra 9:02 Yeah, and on a side note, I just bought a cable off of Amazon again, I don't know if I'm gonna burn my house down or not. But it's got a it's because my problem with USBC. In general, when when you're buying cables, as some cables are good for data, some cables are good for charging. And you know, some are good for anything, right? So I bought this cable that actually has an LED readout on it, that tells me if I'm plugged in, well, how many watts are going across the line. Like for instance, I found if I plug my iPad to the magic keyboard, it takes less it consumes less power than if you put it directly to the iPad itself. And but it also shows me whether when I'm doing data transfer what the data transfer speed is. And then it also shows me if I'm using a device that can do fast charging whether or not it's fast charging or not. So the mystery is salt Unknown Speaker 9:48 has a link to that cable in the show notes. Yeah, seriously, I like to say I'd like to try the Tim Mitra 9:52 most a few of them actually but I got one for like $15 Canadian, which I think is five bucks us right? So these days and One last link before we it was kind of on the gas. It is Joe Cieplinski 10:06 where you are especially. Tim Mitra 10:08 What is the price of gas in California? Mark Rubin 10:10 Not not joking. I paid I paid 685 The other day for nearly Tim Mitra 10:15 Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So it's not always that Mark Rubin 10:17 expensive. But I got stuck Tim Mitra 10:20 is four liters to a gallon roughly right. So that's what how that divided by four, because we're paying 192 bucks or a liter of gas these days to be bad. And you're listening to the radio to find out when it's gonna go cheap, right? And you go out and buy it then. Anyway, I remember paying 35 cents for a liter of gas back in the day. Oh, well, that was a long time ago, as of I think five bucks for a pack of smokes, too. But yeah, so anyway, so this other link here, this is kind of related to WWDC, we get this every year, then the new human interface guidelines is out. And and I don't think I've looked at the link, but it looks pretty, pretty interesting. It's less like a legal document than, you know, sort of the apple standard designs that you're doing these days. I think I think I know, actually, the artists who's working on this stuff, but you know, it's sort of very similar to their look and feel with their sort of icon driven stuff and then broken down into different components, like like, you know, you had different categories, and they've broken them down with a nice little icon, it can drill into it more like navigating a website, and it looks nice on same site on your browser, Safari, mobile browser, or on your Mac, or on your iPad, iOS, and iPad looks pretty cool, so easy to navigate. Joe Cieplinski 11:36 Yeah, I took a brief look at it, but I'm gonna have to spend some real time with it, you know, whenever they do anything, but it's been a long time to do anything this extensive with the redesign. So it's gonna be one of those things that I have to spend a weekend just kind of perusing over Tim Mitra 11:49 time. You know, last last, the last version of it, I looked at it last year was, was nice. It was kind of like, you know, that down the right hand or left hand side, they had the categories, and then you know, subcategories kind of thing. And then each page was like a proper blog page, you know, now now they've broken it all down. So you drill into a section, and then you drill in a little bit further kind of thing. So it's nice, you know, it's less like reading, like, it used to be the head used to be like a book you read right? Front Page, front to back kind of thing. So it's, we've come a long way. With that. Jaime López Jr 12:19 Yeah, I've got a link, the Twitter thread from Linda Dong, and what she covers about what's changed that they've reorganized to have concepts like inclusive design practices, common design patterns, you know, your individual platform considerations. You can search for components and filter based on which platform they show up. One nice thing that's great, so you don't have to go digging around and finding is that every page is tagged with related resources like code, documentation, design and development videos. They've got a What's New page redesign landing page, that new stuff will be released there. So you don't have to know that Oh, some random page very deep in The Hague was updated. Ill will surface it now. You pretty nice to see the end, though not mentioned in this thread. The guidelines do accept, sorry, they do respect light mode and dark mode for your settings. So that's pretty nice. Right? Tim Mitra 13:14 Cool. Yeah, it's pretty cool. So I think Google Docs is having an issue today because I put in a head some cuz it's got you didn't put the second section about the WWDC keynote and platform State of the Union. Do you hire me or did you? Jaime López Jr 13:29 Yeah. Let me clue you in. Tim, you almost certainly did this on either an iPhone or an iPad, right? Because, because I have seen this too, where if you use Google docs on the browser, it works brilliantly. If you use it on iOS, whether that's a phone or iPad OS, it has a little bit of a hiccup, but you kinda need to wait about 30 seconds before you're really sure that it is synced. So what actually happened here, and Tim, you can look at the version history. If you'd like to confirm, I put my very lightweight notes about WWDC keynote platform, say the union, you put in a superior, much more thorough set of notes. after the fact. For the record. Tim Mitra 14:13 Well, I can see that you got ain't time to bleed, you got time to bleed. Here's obviously your comments. So okay, so you did put it in after the fact or after me? Yeah, I did this first thing this morning. I did it on my phone, too. So I was curious as to why it would duplicate. Almost like we went to the same event, you know. Anyway, speaking of which were here to DC. Mark Rubin 14:31 Was there an event this week? Tim Mitra 14:31 Yeah. I think Google I O maybe? Yeah, maybe no. Good day. Jaime López Jr 14:38 That's what all the ruckus was in your backyard. You went out the window. Yeah. Tim Mitra 14:43 I mean, the one password people were down in an event in San Francisco today, this week. So maybe that's what it was. But no, no. We're here to talk about Mark. We have WWDC mark, the one in your neighborhood where all the people descend. Mark Rubin 14:55 Talk about RSA. Okay. Right RSA. Tim Mitra 14:58 That's the other one. Yes. Yeah. So here we are talking about WWDC, and we're just gonna, I mean, I've got it broken down, we can just start digging through the. I've got it in the order that they presented somebody. So did you hire me so but the link I've got here from I forget who it was from, but it's I don't know where it is now anyway. But now let's dig in. So I think can't remember what Tim Cook said he didn't really do much talking at the very beginning. Did anybody catch anything? What Tim Cook said, as he rolled out? Like they usually tell how many developers there are and things like that. Joe Cieplinski 15:28 Yeah, I don't know. It was like the shortest amount of time I've ever seen Tim Cook in one of these. He was so quick. And before we knew it, we're over to Craig it was like, I like it even do it in Drew. Yeah, it was, it was pretty wild. how little time it was a little a little screentime. Tim Cook, was that he had this year and I don't know if that was on purpose. If that's like by design, does he like phasing himself out or what he's doing? But Tim Mitra 15:51 I think maybe they just had too much to present. Yeah, that was at the trim. It was pretty long. You know, it Mark Rubin 15:55 was pretty long. Yeah. Tim Mitra 15:57 I often I often wonder, you know, when you see things like even even just in like the platform State of the Union or in the What's New, you know, what's new in Swift? And what's new in Swift UI? Like, how do they like, they must have to call a lot of stuff to get it down to what they do, right? Because I mean, I don't know about you, my, just my general impression of the keynote and and who, and, and Placer State of the Union. This was like a fire hose literally just stuff being hurled at you, you know, kind of thing? Yeah. Mark Rubin 16:24 It was definitely before it again. Yeah, when we give a borrower overview, but it was definitely an interesting one. I'm an unusual one there was, there were no huge announcements this time, right? There's nothing on the level of like a swift UI Right? Tim Mitra 16:36 Or, or Swift either or async await like last Mark Rubin 16:39 takeaway. Yeah, the biggest things were kind of things like swift charts, which is, you know, it's it's a big thing, but maybe not, you know, as big as some of the other ones. And of course, the iPad stuff was was pretty big, too. But, but yeah, it was more like, here's, like, a whole lot of things that we've, we've had in the works for a while, and we're just gonna, we're just gonna give them all to you all at once. Yeah, exactly. An overall theme. Joe Cieplinski 17:06 Yeah, it seemed like the the platforms are all getting to the point where they're mature, right, even even watch OS nine, there wasn't a whole lot that was new, but nice little refinements. And I kind of like that I like a year like this, where it kind of feels like I'm you know, you're on the beta. It's like, oh, my apps are still working, nothing's gonna break. This isn't like a complete paradigm shift. They didn't move the safari tab bar again, like, nothing too scary. But in but a lot of really nice, small things to announce that were that even as a consumer, I'm looking forward to let alone you know, as a developer, so yeah, I think I think it was a really good year and that way, very, very little hardware to me, we just had the MacBook Air, basically. But you know that, but it's fine. No one walked away thinking, Oh, that was boring. They didn't really do anything. As far as I could tell. Tim Mitra 17:52 Right? Yeah, you know, it's totally, totally forgotten that they moved the URL bar to the bottom of Safari, now that you mentioned that I completely forgot about that. I guess got used to it. Like, just, I guess it's given up and Resistance is futile. Right. Anywho, let's dig in. So we started off with iOS 16, it was announced. And I think the first sort of feature was lockscreen, which is, you know, I was a little concerned about this. Because I mean, you know, I work in an industry where you there's a lot of confidential information. And I often wonder, like, whether I need things on lockscreen or not, what do you guys think about the being able to post, you know, content to the lockscreen? Joe Cieplinski 18:30 I think it's up to the individual to figure that out, right? I mean, you don't have to put widgets on there. So it's kind of nice. And it's kind of nice, you can have a variety of lock screens that are easy to switch, and even connect. Yeah, that was connected to different focuses, which I think is cool. So you could have one, you could have a focus, for instance, where you're at work, and everyone in there is authorized to see whatever the heck thing you're working on, or whatever is on the phone. So it'd be okay to put a widget there at that time. And then other times, like only when I'm home, or maybe my evening, one that I want to have my rings and other things of my own personal data that I'm a little less worried about. Yeah, I do think this is they are signaling towards I know the big rumor is like the lockscreen is going to be always on, at least on some iPhone 14 models later this year. And that seems pretty obvious. Give it like this will be more useful when your screen, you just look down at your screen on the table or whatever and see it at a glance or like the watch is now and so I mean, we've all lived with that, like on our wrist with an always on screen and complications. So I think people are gonna be okay with this. I think generally, I think people are just gonna be excited to have more personalization. I think Apple was right to lead off with this and to make a big deal out of it. Because from a consumer standpoint, this is probably the thing that's gonna get people most excited about. I was 16 Maybe this new emojis. Mark Rubin 19:44 Yeah. And don't forget to most most people just really don't care about security. They should, but they don't. Jaime López Jr 19:53 Yeah, Tim, I used to work at a place called simple and it was a good little bank. And this was a huge problem. Not from a technical standpoint, but more from a, how do we get through the the risk folks have a this is acceptable to do for the Today view widgets. So way back when may have not even on the lockscreen, like you have definitely gotten into the phone in the original implementation we had is like, Hey, you can see your, your balances and your budgets, like just right there on the Today view widget. And that was before that was available on the lockscreen. Right, like that was how far back and to get the compliance and risk folks to sort of lay lay off on us. We said, okay, okay, when you first set it up, it will require you to actually accept the fact that your balances will be displayed here, because we couldn't guarantee that you would actually have a passcode or other sort of lock on the phone like we had that for the app itself. But this from compliance point of view is like, well, this opens up a weird vector of you leave your iPhone on the kitchen table, you go to the bathroom, and your uncle sees that you have $35 in your coffee budget. So I think it's, it's certainly something to think about, if you're an app developer of, you know, are you being diligent in in disclosing the safety and settings and other things of making sure somebody isn't accidentally leaving information that they didn't realize was going to be there for the world to see and that they're, they're comfortable with it or that they've, like, I have, like, I don't let Siri get activated, and my phone is locked? Right? I don't let people deal Tim Mitra 21:43 with that. There's also the you don't want the Tick Tock video about the vintage jeans showing up on your lock screen in the middle of a meeting. Right. So but yeah, I'm of two minds here. Because one thing is I like Joe said, I really liked the work workday, focus, I use that all the time. And you know, there's like I have, like, you know, like, probably like 30 or 40 people that are allowed to get my attention during the day, but Facebook and Twitter, nothing right like so because you know, from nine to five, my phones, which is itself into like a work mode kind of thing. And if you want to call me I gotta go, I gotta remember to go and turn that off. Otherwise, it just goes directly to voicemail, right? If you're not if you're unrecognized number. But, um, but the one thing that I find annoying about the watch, and that's the, you know, this ability to have multiple screens is iMac, and this isn't Get off my lawn moment, by use one, one screen on my phone, or my watch, I should say, and it's you know, it's, it's got all the sort of complications I want. And I never want that to change. And every now and then I looked down at my watch, and somehow I've risked, you know, crossed my arms or done a bog gesture. And, you know, I got the Mickey Mouse face on there or something ridiculous that I wasn't expecting. And I'm kind of worried I'm kind of concerned that that is not going to be that easy to accidentally switch your, your, your lockscreen style. During the day kind of thing. We'll have to wait and see when Well, I guess both we loaded up on our load the beta app on our devices, if we were so very, we can find out how that works. Right. But I mean, given given the lockscreen. We've also gotten now the widget kit, which lets us author different things for for the lockscreen in as well. I think they said all complications are not going to use widget kit to create complications for your watches. Right. And with that, as well, we've got live activities, and a lot of activities for me is kind of interesting. There's a value proposition for us there because there is information that we that may be publicly shareable, if you want to call it that, that we want to notify users about, you know, that could we could use that in live activities to prompt the user to come and visit our app, if there's a alert situation or something like that, or is a maybe you're buying concert tickets or something and you want to get notified by Ticketmaster, when they go on sale. You know, you can give all your money to Ticketmaster kind of thing. And that could be something that could just sort of pop up on the lockscreen when you're when you're when you least expect it. Right. So let's go ahead and focus filters being able to build different sort of focus regions, as Joe was just saying a few minutes ago, right? You could build different different toolings and stuff like that. And we have access to that as developers, right. Joe Cieplinski 24:12 Yeah, that was the big deal is that we can actually see, you know, we have access to the focuses. And we can actually sort our content and based on what the focus of the user is, which is kind of cool. Tim Mitra 24:23 Yeah, and there was a number of things to that, that moving on to the next thing is that Apple's kind of like eating Twitter's lunch here a bit because, you know, one of the most frustrating things about sending messages, I mean, one thing I like about about Slack is I can type something to you guys and then you know, immediately realize, Oh, I got the wrong word in there, or I didn't didn't punctuate it properly to make my message clear. You know, I can click on that message and I can edit it. So now we have in messages we have the ability to undo and to edit messages, you know, again, event in advance of Twitter being able to do it. And you can also quickly grab and recall a message by marking it as unread, unread, I guess I don't know. I'm not sure how that works. We do have that capability in Microsoft Teams. And I think I think office, Outlook does that on windows where if you send a message to everybody in the company you can get Can you imagine the size come and work at home? Knowing that gets to be, you can go and recall it. And as long as people haven't read it, you can pull it back. Right? Yeah. And Jaime López Jr 25:19 as exciting as this is, I'm gonna guess the caveat is does not apply if you have a green bubble, right? Definitely. Mark Rubin 25:28 Mess Yeah, right. Yeah. Jaime López Jr 25:29 So your, your your drunk texts that are ill advised at 3am. You better be sending it to your your iPhone. Tim Mitra 25:38 Yeah, friends, don't let friends not use iPhone. Joe Cieplinski 25:42 The first thing I thought when I saw this is what I want is a bug. Because there was there was there was the ability to delete a message really quickly and recall it like you said, but what I want is the ability to say, I meant to send this to my girlfriend, not me. A deleted and then go over to the other thing and retype it, I just want to push it into a different message thread. Because I've done that so many times where I've sent the message to the wrong person. Tim Mitra 26:05 Interesting. And by the way, I just installed venture on my my, my MacBook Air, which is sitting over on the couch, and it's making noises at me now I don't know what it's what it's trying to do. But I guess it's now got new modes, where it informs you that things are happening. I think it just went to sleep. And it did sort of like go to sleep in town right now. Very, very strange. As well in the messages and messages, API's, I guess, more work with SharePoint, I guess the question to the group is Has anybody actually used share play here on this team, Mark Rubin 26:33 I've used share, play the original FaceTime version, not obviously not the messages, one. And it was pretty cool. We did it for a hackathon at work, and hooked it up to our existing app. And it you know, it works as promised. It's a pretty cool thing. So I'm sort of looking forward to seeing what it can actually do and messages, but it wasn't clear to me and I actually should probably go back and watch some of the stuff to find out more. But it wasn't clear to me how much you could actually do in the context of the Messages app. But what it does is it just allows you to share something through messages and then the user the receiver taps it, and it opens a FaceTime or something And does anyone know because they want to watch the video? Yeah, Tim Mitra 27:17 I think that was kind of kind of the experience that they were talking about it also I don't know something today on surrender does wrap up with there's a ability to chat with people by pressing a button on the screen and you can like do a quick walkie talkie. Yeah, walkie talkie about kind of things that aren't on your iOS devices, right? Kind of like like again, if you have like most of the time I'm on my get my back. So all my stuff is muted. And I just hit the spacebar to talk temporarily and pull my hands down right. So kind of like kind of like that like a like the old CB radio mode where you press the mic button down right? That's cool. And dictation they've they've one of the one of the problems a dictation and I mean I'm I'm a huge fan of dictation I was using Mac dictate back in the day training you know it you spend like a week educating the thing to understand what you're saying and never remember really worked 100%. But a lot of people do use it. But I've dictated messages when I'm driving and things like that with my watch. But now the proven here is that when you start dictating something, the keyboard doesn't disappear, right. So if you notice that word gets misspelled or whatever, you can immediately just grab your two thumbs and fix it right. Joe Cieplinski 28:29 Yeah, that was really awesome for me. Like I never use dictation because first of all, I had to say things like period and then like comma, because here's all the nice actually use punctuation. So like for me, it was always a pain in the butt to use that. And then yeah, inevitably, it would miss one or two words, I'd have to stop it. Go back, fix that one word and to type it out. And now you can just select the words that were wrong and just keep talking. I really, really think that's a huge improvement. I played around with it a little bit the other day and I just thought oh, I'm actually going to use this now. Tim Mitra 28:57 Actually as a sort of side note here. So I joke on the on the dictation mess ups. I noticed that on Google on Yahoo or not Yahoo on YouTube. When I had the captions on some of my videos. It comes up Morgan just co so I've renamed the oranges co podcast nickname Morgan Jesco. In case you wondered why I did that now you know, Jaime López Jr 29:20 yeah, this is a nice quality of life thing for the dictation stuff which I'm not talking about the tech when I made this this criticism it's more of the UI design is catching up to the best of Dragon NaturallySpeaking which blends in tight pretty seamlessly. But I'm glad that I'd rather see it now then not see it at all. So I probably will end up using the dictation mode more often now, which Jules points knowing that I don't have to get it perfect that it's not an all or nothing thing I can get it to get most of it there and then go clean it up as need be. Tim Mitra 29:57 To the people ever been around for a while. While the Mac to Mac to tax or Mac speech or Mac dictate whatever it was I was talking about is actually now called Dragon Dictate anything they merge with the Windows team and change the name. Anybody got anything to say about Siri kit and when you look into that Transcribed by https://otter.ai