[00:00:00] matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Hi, welcome to step side. I'm Matt. Howey a writer and technologist and truck owner. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: And I'm a Joel Johnson and I like trucks. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Whew. So today is what is today? joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: today? is, uh, March Tobar fests. Truck truck Tober, March 15th. 2022. Uh, so we got a lot of big news. There actually was breaking news this week. Uh, the one that I wanted to, I know you're gonna probably legally have to have opinions about this as a hippie west coast resident, but VW finally revealed the successor to the, what would you call it to the van. a gun to the The Volkswagen bus. Yeah. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: VW bus. They've been teasing for 20 years. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: So matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: And [00:01:00] highly anticipated by me as in last week. So joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: well, all right. So let, let me start by totally taking a dump on it, and then you can get excited about it. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: I'm a dump joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: So here's, here's a, you know, you got this, I was building up tension. Uh, so. Everybody knows the VW bus one would think the classic KP bus squared off flat nose. Uh, there was a van again, uh, which was a, uh, like a camper conversion with the pop top, probably the most popular pop top of the 20th century. I think for a long time, people didn't realize you could get things like that in other vehicles or trailers, uh, for all. Pieces of junk, uh, but they were charming for sure. Uh, air cooled didn't run very well for, I want to say at least 10 years, Volkswagen has been teasing that they're going to update a new one. I think they even built a prototype, uh, about a decade ago. Took it. around some car shows. [00:02:00] And so they have finally announced after like 19 levels of teasing. Uh, and I think they actually even had a few out in south by Southwest in Austin, Texas, that the ID buzz, uh, which is the successor to the van is finally coming out. It's an Evie only nav. No plug-in hybrid to my knowledge, no nothing else. And it is definitely a. That I can, I I'm a hundred percent with them that it is a van of some type. Now you may take a shit on it. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Well, the one thing is what they debuted was the European debut, which was, I think late this year, they would take orders for, uh, early next year delivery. And they said it won't come to the U S for two more years, which I contend in the year 20, 22 is like saying you might as well say 10 years. Two years from now, there will be [00:03:00] 75 V options or something, even though there's zero Evie vans. Now Ford transits coming out someday, but that's kind of like the low mileage and more, uh, aimed to industry. But this will be a massive hit if they could build it. But telling Americans, it's going to be two years from now. And also all the ones that showing are European, only ones in the American ones are going to be like two feet longer and probably look weird and probably like. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Did they say that? Did they matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah. So they said the one you see in all the debuts was the European short wheel base one. There'll be a long wheel base only in America. And they said the wheel hang overs are going to be the same. So like, there's just going to be a foot or two of extra van in the middle because they want to make it three row, which is like, I think a good idea. But, um, this is. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: opposed to it too. A long van, I've had matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: But, yeah, but this is like what we talked about last episode. We're like they show a two door or something, then they sell a four-door and it looks ugly or like a two foot longer. One's going to look weird. Like, I always wish [00:04:00] I could get the short one, which you will not be able to buy, but joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: a couple of things, first of all, you know, I always have a lot of sympathy for these multi-trillion dollar car companies. Uh, but I, I, in, in, in all seriousness, like it's hard to do planning right now, you know, the pandemic screwed everything up. Then the war in Ukraine is now screwing more things up in COVID is, and you know, it's, I get that. It's hard for them to make. You know, projections out for a while. Uh, although it does make me wonder why the hell even announce it in the U S and spend any marketing money here, uh, if it's not going to go. But then the second thing is that. It's kind of ugly to me. I, I, I understand why they can't have a flat front front anymore cause that you, you need a passenger or excuse me, pedestrian impact. So you got to have a bumper at that. People can roll over when you [00:05:00] inevitably hit them, but it just doesn't really read to me like much of a, of a VW bus. Like I, I'm not, I'm not. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah, I would say the concept into a 2001. I think when it debuted was very strongly sixties bus, but new, um, the last few concepts, maybe five, 10 years ago are still close. The one, this is like classic concept to reality. And this isn't even reality. It's still concept car, but like it's getting way more car-like and minivan and not it's losing some of its appeal. I think they're making it up in the paint, right? Like a two-tone paint job reads as sixties ish. Microbus. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: I like. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah. I love it. But like, yeah, I would, I would say there's a bit more hood than there needs to be. Even though there doesn't need to be one, except for, you know, some of these like crashes, zones and stuff, but. It's okay. Looks wise. It's not as good as the earliest concepts joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: You know, what's funny though. Cause I had just said it was super ugly and I was [00:06:00] like, I better go look at this thing again, since we're recording this and I pulled up a bunch of images of it and I don't hate it. It's fine. It's all right. Like it reminds me of, uh, pretty much any minivan and I like many vans. Uh it's Yeah. It's a little more snubnose than something else. It's got some squared off. Like the C pillar is, is pretty thick and you know, they carry the paint lines across, uh, up from the belt. It's fine. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah, I do like that. They painted out like the window frames, a B all the pillars, paint black, because one of the early concepts from like six months ago or a year or two ago, um, those were all painted white and it comes out looking like a greenhouse with like all these supports. Like there is 1, 2, 3, 4, Before you get to the back for like support pillars and painted white. Uh, it looked weird as hell. So it looks a lot better joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: I, I was, I remember seeing that one. I don't mind even actually all the different pillars as much [00:07:00] specifically on a VW bah VW bus update because you know, old VW bus has had a bunch of pillars and windows as well, but I will, I will say this is my tentative. Future praise that I would love to get it. When we get to go on the press drive inevitably in 2027. There's a bunch of cool Evie vans hitting the market primarily in Europe to start, which makes sense because, uh, pickup trucks for work and delivery are not nearly as common in Europe, as they, as vans are. So, uh, you know, forwards the transits most popular van in, in Europe. Uh, they've announced that they're gonna do a bunch of UV stuff, but almost all of those electric vehicles and like, uh, fleet vehicles and duty vehicles. Real small batteries as they should. right. Like you matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: You need lots of storage. You only need a hundred miles a joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: that's right. Yeah. A hundred miles a day. You're going to go back to the shop. You're going to plug it in and do it again tomorrow. I bet ya [00:08:00] that if you want an electric van of any sort in the near term that has 300 mile range or whatever it might end up being, this might be the only game in town. So. I, you know, it's fine. I think part of why my excitement's a little tempered is that the initial reviews of the other ID VW, EVs IDs, their brand VWs company, EVs powertrain, uh, I, you know, that the reviews have been pretty, pretty lackluster. People have basically said they're fine, but they're not as good as the competition. So I'm, you know, I've got some questions at VW connect. Uh, if it will be worth the price, if this is the kind of product that you end to put in a market at a real premium price. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah. I think, I think they talked about like 50 grandish, 40 to 60 ish, which is like a normal sort of SUV kind of price. But yeah, I think, yeah, I have heard like lackluster, like, I mean, this is the company gave us the GTI, which was like the first fun, [00:09:00] small car in the world, kind of, uh, the last whatever 40 years and like, yeah. You know, like the ID for everyone. It's a car. It's a very basic car. Like people wanted a GTI and they got like a Camry, you know, that was electrified basically. And so, yeah. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Yeah. well, we'll see, we'll see where it goes. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah. I just don't it just like two years from now, the landscape contains so much. That's why I'm down on him for saying, yeah, I won't get to America till at least 2023 or. Yeah, there won't even be a debut till next year, and then it won't be in production or in dealer until 2024. I don't know if it's worth the wait, but I think you're right that like, this is the only option for like a family band versus work van. I don't think Americans know when you need to go to Europe, you will see 10,000 million sprinter vans and you'll hardly ever see a truck. Um, like every plumber, every painter, everyone's got a sprinter van basically, and, or a smaller version of that in [00:10:00] Europe. We just don't have them that much here, unless you're in Portland. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: I look, I, I love a van. There's something to be said for the utility of those things, but this is a totally different category. This will, this will be fighting with SUV's three row SUV's, uh, in and Eby SUV's I think we've already spent given it way more time than it deserves, frankly. But, uh, the, the, the, I think the last thing I will say that maybe sticks in my craw now, but I got to let it go. 'cause maybe this is just what cars cost now, but you know, the original VW, the bug and the bus both were dirt cheap relatively. When they were out in the sixties and seventies in the United States, they were 20, 30 year old designs even then. And so. It's just the spirit of this thing is going to be, you know, there's going to be peace, symbols and Woodstock, and it's, you know, they're going to try to do a taste of that, like a hippy revival [00:11:00] thing. And if it's a 60 or $70,000 van, I don't see those things really matching up. It doesn't mean it won't be successful, but it just kind of, yeah, it raises my hackles a little bit to be matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: It's funny that the name of the company even references it, the volt, the people's wagon lovable for the Volks of the world. Like it was supposed to be at $300 shit box, you know, that anyone could afford and being 50,000 or more is where it's going. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: right here is the worst news that we're going to talk about today, but can you guess who the manufacturer is? That. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Uh, no. What? Give me a clue. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: All right. It's it's the premier off-road truck and vehicle brand. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: uh, Mercedes, I don't know joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Okay. It's the, if the people that own it, they think [00:12:00] it's the premier off-road van. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: land Rover range Rover. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: No, I'm talking about Jeep. Come on. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Oh, right, right, right, right, right. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: look at, yeah, chiefs are fine. I don't have a problem with Jeeps. I Wranglers are actually really, really cool for what they are, but big news today, the 2022 Jeep Cherokee X trim has been announced. That's right. The universe. Cherokee the smaller of the, of the, but not the smallest, uh, of the Jeep SUV is now has an extra him, which from what I can tell means that it has some different mud guards. I'm pretty sure that that that's the big difference. And maybe it comes with all-terrain tires instead matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: It's got stickers, the black sticker. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: I don't even think it has stickers. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: I mean, I just went to the Portland auto show a couple weeks ago and there were three or four different manufacturers. Uh, we called it like black CLA black plastic cladding, [00:13:00] like added like wilderness additions. Is this the joke term? Enlist looks like it. They put. Uh, black Wheelwell fender flares. They, they, this is what I hate. They turn the tires out. So the white letters are out, so it looks more off, but I can't stand white lettering on off-road tires, and then they put some black stickers all over it. But yeah. Um, let me see, who has, what Mazda has the CX five, but it's called the X 50 or something. It's. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: That looks cool though. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah. And then there's the Subaru have the wilderness additions of a Forester and the Outback. And then Toyota has these like ex additions where it's just more black plastic and they look joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: did one too. I think a pilot there's a pilot that doesn't like, matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Right. Pilot. And I think the passport, like a wilderness off-road edition, but there's no lift. There's no, there might be chunkier tires, but it's just more black plastic and a look. Um, I mean, this is, uh, to be honest, this is the. Uh, manufacturer's following, following the aftermarket. Like, [00:14:00] um, Subaru's are big, especially where I live. Um, and people have been lifting them and modifying them and putting like the chunkies Thai, like every Subaru forum is like, how big of a tire can I possibly put on a Forrester and out back? And they start to look. I thought at first it was hilarious. Um, the first time I ever saw like a Crosstrek, I think it is like lifted with like 32 or three inch tires and like covered in led lights. And I was like, that is hilarious. Cause that is a, like a car that's not super capable and someone's trying to make it a no monster truck. That's funny. Like I love the incongruity of it. And then, um, you know, people that don't have all day to sit on forums, like how do you do this? Like people actually like this. You know, Subaru is more than willing to oblige by putting black tire, you know, black wheels and chunky tires on things that you can just finance. You know, you don't have to run down every forum for like, what, how much of the, like, these things always boil down to like how much of my, um, wheel-well cladding or plastic do I need [00:15:00] to cut out to make, to still be able to turn these tires and stuff? joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: There is an old joke in the Tacoma forums that if you had a Tacoma that came with. Mud guards or flares, excuse me, that you wanted body color ones, that if you had body colored ones, you really wanted black ones. Uh, and then people would just drive, you know, meet somewhere and switch and then realize like, it doesn't really matter. Uh, I actually, I don't have a problem with this whole category. Uh, every, you know, I, I feel like. And Europe has some of this too in there, uh, culture moving through that, everybody's kind of getting more outdoor or dressing more like they're going to hike up a mountain, even though they're not, uh, it makes perfect sense that the cars would reflect it. Aesthetically. I have no problem with this look and actually like a lifted Subaru out. Uh, that's a little beat up and has all-terrain tires on it and a little lift kit or [00:16:00] spring spacers or whatever it is. I'm okay with that. Like if you're out using it, like I have no problem with that at all. The problem is like all off-road stuff is that if you are buying one of these things from the factory, like. Even if it is slightly more oriented for off-road, it's extremely unlikely. You're going to go take it off road, uh, or go anywhere that your normal car couldn't go. Uh, but this one, the Jeep Cherokee X is especially funny to me because the Jeep Cherokee, the Cherokee is actually a very interesting vehicle historically for Jeep, because it was maybe not their first unibody, but certainly their first. Uh, popular unibody vehicle that they sold that still to this day, uh, the first-generation ones are in high demand for off-roading. They kind of prove to the world that universal. SUV's can be, you know, still pretty, still pretty tough. Uh, so it's funny to me that the Cherokee at this point is it's basically gone full circle, right? It's like it [00:17:00] started rugged. Then it turned into essentially just another crossover for people to, you know, go live their lives. And now it's come all the way back around that there's a higher off-road performance trim for it. But. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah. My only beef is when they don't add any capability to it. This one looks like a one inch suspension lift. And I think the Subaru's are also like half inch or one inch more travel. But I think the Toyota and the Mazdas are just black plastic and tires and nothing like nothing has been changed, but yeah, that's pretty funny. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: I mean, just a quick, this is, this is going to be Joel's off-road minute, uh, where I give tips and tricks about. Yeah. Yeah, Well, I'll write, I'll write a theme song for it. You know, the, the thing is about off-road is, you know, obviously the number one thing is, can you afford to break it? And if you can then go hog wild, doesn't matter what you're in, but really what you're doing. If you see those big off-road trucks and you're always like, why the hell are they lifted as much as they are everybody presumes that's for ground clearance. And that's certainly true, [00:18:00] like ground clearance. Like you can, if you're sitting up taller, you can drive over a rock, you can do whatever. Uh, but realistically, the reason. Lyft is so you can put a bigger tire on it at a bigger tire and often a tire that has, you know, more knobs, which doesn't necessarily like the tread pattern is not beer and can grab onto things more. So, you know, when you see these off-road trims of the. You know, almost indistinguishably different crossovers, really, when they say like, Hey, we're adding an inch of lift or whatever, that just means they can put a slightly bigger tire on it. And it does, it does make a difference, but, but, uh, really everything is, if you're going to do anything off-road having the right tire in place is, is probably more important than anything else. And so. If they're coming for, with, you know, from the factory with all-terrain tires and you know, something a little bit more chunky than God bless him. But man, it's funny to me that there's a, like a [00:19:00] 17th trim of this same vehicle that really has very little pedigree to relate it to the Wrangler or any of their true off-road machines. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: my, uh, my woke moment, joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: uh, yeah. I don't know. I don't know where this is going. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Jeep has constantly been, uh, called out from like India, native American communities going like, can you stop using our names? It just happened last year. And I was like, well, you know, we've seen George Floyd protest. Like come on, they got to read the writing on the wall. Just, it doesn't matter what these things are called. You can change them at any time. And she totally doubled down and said, Nope, we're never changing the name of anything that, that was like, I was like, really? You want to protect the Jeep Cherokee? Like nobody cares. Isn't it. That great reputation anymore. Like, it could be the Jeep with noise or something else. It wouldn't matter. Like, it's fine. Um, but yeah, I was, I was surprised that they were just like, no. We're all in on, on, um, [00:20:00] cultural appropriation. We're way into it. We're too far down. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: This is still, you know, they're part of still ANSYS now, which is still heavily Italian influence. I think the Italians have a particular flavor when it comes to, uh, you know, the word and concept of savages and all of that stuff. Uh, I mean, look, you're going to either get, you're going to get it in truck names. You're going to get a mountain or a town in the west. Uh, you're gonna get. Uh, A handful of leftover native American references, or you're going to get something that's just about like an explosion, you know, some sort of it, just some sort of like matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: disaster joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: yeah. It's, you know, the what's that Ford trim now that's right below the Raptor. Is that the matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: tremor. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: So it's, uh, you know, at some sort of natural disaster, You know, the, the sh yeah, the Chevy leaded pipes, you know, like, uh, Yeah. I'll be honest, like the Cherokee name and, and those sorts of things [00:21:00] don't bother me as much as, you know, red skins for instance, or, or whatever, but it's also, it wouldn't bother me in the least if they changed it either. So it is a bit of a surprise that matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah. The funny thing was they're defending something I think was even worse than it was just like Washington Redskins. It's not even that good of an like just, it doesn't even, oh my God, it'd be so easy to change. And I have so much upside. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: speaking of defenders, uh, I took a little trip this week down, uh, the grin deer, uh, website, uh, to take a look at this truck, which I had vague. Remembered when they announced that they were gonna make it, uh, I, I kind of paid attention to it for a second and then thought it was never going to get off the ground. Well, it turns out there's 11 or 12 videos now on their website documenting, uh, you know, where they're out in the process and their factory and all of it. So have you, have you seen this thing, [00:22:00] the. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: So like, yeah. I only know about from cycling that there's any team of like all the best Brits are on the Indios team. And I assumed it was like, with that name, it was healthcare. Like that sounds like the new psych meds you can get. Um, if you ask your doctor about it, uh, and that may cause drowsiness at any dose, you know, but yeah, it's. Wow. So he's just like parts been rating, everything. It's a BMW engine. It's sort of a classic defender. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: So They're not, part's been rating, which is, I actually think the cool thing. Uh, yeah. So this is, this is the concept as told by me, you know, some, some details may, may change. Cause I just don't know them and I got them wrong. But apparently the guy that runs the company, which I don't even know what any of this does. So they mining something like that. Uh, matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Oh petroleum. There joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: okay. So they, uh, the, the guy that some British guy that [00:23:00] owns it, who's some knighted matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Billionaire. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: sure a billionaire, uh, got bummed out when the old land Rover defender that the 90 and one 10, the kind of arguably the, uh, the, the Genesis of the off-road SUV, uh, when that finally got canceled or updated with the new matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Billionaire. Well, I just want to say billionaire guys will build an entire company around a car. They miss, instead of going to therapy. That's what the story is. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: I mean, look, I would matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: How would they in America you'd be sued for anything that looked remotely Jeep like, and this thing is like, whew, it's close to joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Yeah. I mean, they basically have ground from the, from the ground up. They have rebuilt the classic defender, uh, that offender, if you aren't familiar with it is, you know, was available here on and off, uh, over its production life, which it was produced in some form or the other for almost 50 years. [00:24:00] Uh, and you know, it's, it's, it's the, the squarest of the square, uh, four by fours. Like it's got a flat front round headlight. Uh, you know, basically a toolbox box design, uh, very clean lines. And, uh, we're kind of, legendarily tough. Like that's where you get a lot of the colonial powers running them around in Africa and you know, all of this stuff. Uh, but then was superseded to a great extent in reality by the Toyota land cruiser, because the land Rover was notoriously unreliable and poorly put together. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Citi, electronics, city build quality. Yeah. And Toyota does joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: uh, Jonathan Ward, the guy who ran it, founded icon and TLC. The Landcruiser restoration shop out in LA, uh, has a video. I recall seeing where they restored one defender and he said, he'd never do it again because the parts on one side were not lined up with the parts on the other side, even though they were [00:25:00] just mirror images of each other. So anyway, you got a billionaire who's decided. I still want to keep buying defenders, but it's not enough for me to just do this. And I'm not just going to be the next John Ward except for defenders and restore. And resto-mod old ones I'm going to build from the ground up a brand new defender with the latest, most modern whatever, except it's not really that. modern, they're keeping it pretty primitive. It's got solid axles. Uh, and honestly, uh, the BMW engine, which is their engine. The only kind of big question I have, they've got an inline six petrol version and an inline six diesel version, but the rest of it looks pretty great. I got to say like, it, it just looks like the promise of being able to buy an old defender except it's new. It's got a warranty and it's actually put together properly. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: CarPlay and heated seats and joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: pretty deeply appealing to me. Uh, so I did look, I was, I was trying to figure it out and it looks like you could, they are planning on selling them in the U S uh, which shouldn't be too, matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: [00:26:00] not till next summer at the earliest, it's probably going to be a hundred thousand dollars. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: I don't think you get out of the door for less than a hundred thousand dollars or, or, or just underneath, right? Like that's, that's basically where you're at. And I do, I really dig it, but I don't know that I dig it with a BMW inline matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: you know, like that matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: would. Yeah. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: big question mark. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah. That's the, yeah. Whew and getting parts and the failure rate of BMW. Oh yeah. That's that sketch? It's not a British engine, but joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Yeah, and I mean, matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: a, it's not a, uh, Japanese automaker that you can trust. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: and look BMW. Uh, you know, they, they make some reliable engines these days. The problem is I have a BMW as a company in their product design has nothing to do with their engines per se. Uh, but it just seems a little bit. I don't know basic. It's not, it's just, but you know, what, if I was in the UK [00:27:00] or if I was in the EU, I would probably feel the same way if they put a. Small block in it that I would prefer they put into it, you know, here, but, uh, you know, mostly I bring it up just to say it is, it appears like it's going to actually be real, unlike a lot of these, uh, boot, you know, startup, uh, truck companies that have been coming out or announced the last few years. And it does look cool. Like I absolutely would consider it, uh, if I were on, if I were going down the SUV path again and not staying in pickup truck land. Yeah, I would check it out. So she, you know what, great job billionaire. You, you matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: did it. You joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: had done it. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: it. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Yeah, you you've, you've done it. And, and also not that I'm, you know, everything's gotta be, uh, Evy, but you know, there will be any be variant at some point. Like matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah. I mean, yeah. It's this day and age. Uh, can we pause for a second to say like, man, you've, you've probably read car magazines and it's like the [00:28:00] eighties when you were a little kid or nineties. It's a frigging wild, a hundred thousand dollars for a car was always the upper upper barrier of like Ferrari. Like it was, it's just wild to me that like looking at, I mean, I know, Hey joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Are we going to have to do another segment? That's a matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Joe Biden. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Matt about inflation corner. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: I understand inflation. It's just, it's just like when a friend told me he went skiing and I haven't thought of skiing in like 12 years. And he said it was $150 for a lift ticket. And I remember the nineties. Um, every snowboarder I knew, including me was freaked out. Cause there was the first $50 resort in the country was like Vail or Aspen. And like, everyone's like, there's no way, like elliptical ever cost a hundred dollars, but I don't know. It's just like cars were, I mean, a hundred thousand on a car. It's like a million dollar house. Like it should be the greatest thing that's ever been made. And now we're talking about, you know, an average, best SUV or something or a slight luxury. Thing. Um, yeah, it's just wild. When [00:29:00] things crossed the a hundred thousand dollar barrier, I'd just get super nervous. Like this should be the greatest car that was ever produced. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: no, I mean, I, even today, if you spend a hundred thousand dollars on a car, it should be pretty close to the greatest car ever produced. And especially these days, uh, you know, we don't really have an in trucks yet, but certainly on the car side of things, the fastest production straight line car in the world is a Tesla model, X or model S plaid. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: It's like 130 joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Yeah. well, Yeah. let's call it. Let's call it a hundred for the sake of this argument. So, you know, you should still be able to, I think in this day and age expect pretty much a perfect, perfect thing. I would say what's a little more disturbing to me is the Gulf in between, let's say. $30,000 and a hundred thousand dollars there, you know, you, you, you're looking at, you know, everybody always talks about, oh, those big, full sides trucks are almost $80,000 now. And they absolutely are and can be, especially if you [00:30:00] kick them all out, uh, you know, with leather and all the sensor packages and things like that. But at least at that point, you're all the way at the top. Uh, you know, just like you were talking about last week with your Maverick, you could the Maverick's price point, which was, it was, and it is revolutionary and pour forward, if they could make another, you know, a hundred thousand of them this year, I think they'd sell every single one. Uh, but still, if you got the top end trim of that Maverick, it was $38,000 or something like that. It was almost twice as much. So that's the reality that we're dealing with. You can still get this entry level vehicle in a lot of places, but it's not going to have anything that you thought you wanted. So speaking of that, Maverick though, like what, what's the deal with Maverick? matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Oh, yeah. So I've had, yeah, I had two weeks. I just hit a thousand miles last night on it. So now I can, to me, in olden times I could floor it now, you know, cause, uh, but even though it says the first oil change isn't supposed to happen till 10,000. I don't want to believe that. And I'll bring the [00:31:00] change it earlier, but yeah, it's good. It's it's still been great. Um, it's remarkably quiet. The one thing I've learned with modern engine. Everything having 8, 9, 10 speed autos. I didn't know what that meant really in day-to-day use. And now I'm seeing it. It's basically, cause I think my Regina was only a five speed or six speed. Um, it's just the rev. The RPMs are always at like 1000 to 2000. It's just constantly shifting, shifting up over and over and over as early as it can. Um, and now I'm realizing, oh, this is how I'm getting, I'm getting 25 to 27 miles a gallon, which is amazing with, and this is the fast engine. Um, but it is always shifting all the time. Um, actually like going is a CVT really that bad because once in awhile, if. Uh, just like a little rise, like you'll realize, oh, I'm in the wrong. Like this thing has been furiously shifting and you kinda have to punch it to downshift it, to be able to go over a hill. It's weird. I'm noticing it. I shouldn't [00:32:00] notice, you know, automatic typically I never even noticed what's going on, but now I'm noticing all the time, like, hi, I feel like I'm in the wrong gear. Huh? What's up with that? So far it's been, and that's the other thing leads do. It's very quiet. Like, I am amazed for it. You know what starts at a $20,000 truck? I feel like it's my wife's luxury. Uh, Volvo XC, 60, where you like blink and you look down and you're going like 78 miles an hour and you're going, what? Like, I don't even hear any road noise. Like, you know, there's no feedback. And so, like I said, it's a remarkably quiet cabin for a cheap truck and, uh, so much so that like, there's this 55 mile an hour stretch, or the other day I looked down and I was going 68 or 74 miles an hour. And it did not feel like it at all. And I realized it's probably the low revs on the engine constantly shifting, but other than that, it's been great. Uh, the other thing is I. One of the first mods I did was, uh, I just wanted it to be easy to clean forever. And this [00:33:00] is the first time I've ever ceramic coated anything. So I did a five-year ceramic coat from a local detailer and also tend the windows. But, um, like it is amazing, like a ceramic Cody I've always been skeptical of. It's like an emperor's new clothes. Like you're going to give some guy a thousand bucks and he's going to put magic sauce on something. You can't see it, but you know, it's there. And I swear it works, but I will say. Uh, driving it a week later, uh, I spent a whole day on gravel roads and going through mud puddles purposely just trying to figure out what the limits of the traction are of this car. And like the car looks pristine. I cannot like, it was like infomercial clean. Um, after what I know the same roads, I'd go down in my Lexus and it would be brown instantly. I'm like, oh, joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Ceramics, not, not fake. Like, you know, now there's 15 different flavors of it from a thousand manufacturers that are like, you know, oh, this one's got graphing in it and this one's [00:34:00] whatever. But the core principle, I mean, if you just think of it as a fancy sealant, it works real well. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah. If you've ever had chemistry, you know, about hydrophobic newness, and this is just a hybrid hydrophobic coatings, of course, it's going to be like rain acts. It's going to, you know, it's going to beat up like wax, but for years and years and years, which is. But like the dealer even offered it to me for like 1500 bucks. And I was like, oh man, I I'd rather go to the detail as the latest and greatest for cheaper. Um, and like, I've just like amazed at the actual performance of it, like holy crap. And he, he did all the windows and everything, and it's like, the whole thing is rain Xed. Like, and it's raining heavy this week in Oregon. And like, I I'm the I'm like I'm sold, like anytime I get a new car, I'm going to do this. Like, this joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: I have never paid somebody to do it for me yet, because I actually liked detailing my cars and learning about paint, correction, and, you know, getting real nervous when I start using heavier. Polishes and compounds and [00:35:00] all that stuff. But, uh, and it is a lot of work, you know, a real, a full detail of a car is. you know, a couple dozen hours of work, probably if somebody does it. Right. Uh, but you got to do that for that, for the ceramic coat stuff to, to make a different for it to work. You know, you want to start with a clean surface. Uh, I do. I I'm stumbling cause I almost let you go by without pointing out that. You put tint on your windows, but you live in Oregon. So that is very clear matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: we still have a summer. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: still, have not let go of your Southern California roots. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Although this is the first time I've ever tinted a card legally. I actually like, uh, up in Oregon is 35%. And in California was zero when I was a kid. And I think they maybe allow 35% now, but I would always get darker. I would always get 20% matches the back 30%. Like it's going to [00:36:00] perform a little better on hot days. Um, this is the first time I ever said, give me 35, the actual legal limit. And it looks great. It almost matches the back, but it's like, I don't know. There's something about like, Uh, light tint gives you like a sense of luxury, but also keeps the car a little cooler in the summer. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: I hate tent. I really matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Really? joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: yeah. I matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: I hate clear window. I'm uh, I'm like super photo sensitive and I have to wear sunglasses. Like anytime I'm outside, I like actually have eye problems of like, I, uh, I love things. Tend to just feel comfortable to joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: I, I, my vision is just bad vision and astigmatism, but like, it's almost opposite for me. where I'm like, I don't want anything interfering with my bad vision. I need every bit of vision I got. So. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: I would say the only thing I ever found was like coming from Southern California to here was I was dark. Tinning the fronts, like 20% tint of my trucks and stuff. And then a night driving in [00:37:00] mountain road sucks. I'd have to look around a pillar. Like I'd have to, like, if I was going to make a left, I'd have to stick my head kind of over the dash to see around my own tinted windows, too dark. But. The 30 fives are like nothing, but they feel nicer to me, but yeah, I'm, I'm a weirdo. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: all mods are, are beautiful. And I, and I, and I celebrate, I celebrate your personal choice, but could not be me. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Are there any other last news items? joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: There was a couple of dumb things that I saw this week before I get to this stuff that I saw that I thought was actually cool. Uh, there was a, uh, Mo motor authority.com. If you want to look it up, uh, pointed out that there was a, uh, the first Bronco six-by-six called dark horse. Uh, Was made by apocalypse manufacturing. I told you my branding, it's just all natural disasters. Uh, so when we are, you know, one axle in the front, [00:38:00] two axles in the back, or I guess not one independent front suspension in the front, uh it's uh, it's a very Florida truck. Like, let me put it that way. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: now they're still in Florida and that's perfect. I mean, who buys this except for post Malone, this is like, man, joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: I matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: I'm actually, I'm actually amazed personally that with like zero availability of parts, they made something that looks almost, you know, kind of factory ish. Like where did they get the fenders or did they. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Oh, they. made them. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Yeah, no, they made them, I mean, they either got two and cut them together or just as likely those fenders aren't super complex. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: I guess we could do the middle parts and they didn't, they didn't make them nice. They just made a gigantic wheel. Well, joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: I mean, in fairness to apocalypse manufacturing, I, you know, don't want to get any negative, uh, emails from them are long standing more with the PO apocalypse manufacturing. Uh, it looks like they did a good job, but man, it is [00:39:00] not to my taste. Uh, this is, you know, it it's cool that they did it, I guess. Cause I, I mean, I have nothing but respect for people to do this kind of work. Like matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Hennessy and all those six joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Yeah. it's not, it's not easy. Like I just mean even custom stuff matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Oh yeah. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: It's just like any, I, I don't want to pretend that a lot of my choices are not aesthetic choices, uh, in my vehicles as well. Like not everything is functioned matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: is the point of a six by six? I need massive traction. Like it's almost like a tank track kind of thing. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: I am not a military vehicle guy, but two miles. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Oh, joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Understanding, uh, my, my, my guests besides having multiple axles, like just redundancy and also maybe that has some weight bearing, although. More with like leaf Springs. Uh, my, my, my guess has always been, uh, that it's just, you know, it's for capability. If you were going to carry more cargo around, you want more axles underneath it [00:40:00] and redundancy, so you blow, you blow a tire out. And in one, you've got a couple more to, to, to play with. Uh, but no, I mean, for this it's just a hundred percent, matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah. Hideous. What do you think, uh, auction for like 300,000? Like this is. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Ah, I don't know. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Jackson gets like big rich people to show up. I, I feel like 250 to 300 grand is probably what the thing is go for, unless it's for a charity, they don't joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: that. It'll be more. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Know, the charity thing, right? That like it's a tax write off if it's a charity. So you'll constantly see like a hundred thousand dollar cars sell for like 500 because. who owns a company? Just going to write it off. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Yeah, it's the same thing on bring a trailer. There's there's been, uh, quite a few examples in the last couple of years when bring a trailer auctions have gone in saying that like, there was a twin turbo supra first generational, well, not first generation. What is that? A mark three, mark. Whatever the whale tail one, you know, it went for like a quarter of a million [00:41:00] dollars and people are like, how is this the new market for this? And then you look and it's like, no, well, it wasn't your charity. but it was bought by a dealership which will of course write it down as advertising and not, you know, a, a straight out purchase. But that truck, God bless them. They did the work. I hope they make the money or get whatever they're going to do, but not, not to my taste, uh, and not, you know, kind of a shame considering how hard it is to get a Bronco right now, but fine. And then. The other thing I wanted to mention last week, you had brought up, we were talking about the Dakotas and, uh, there, uh, I had said they were the first of the convertible pickup trucks. Like, and to be clear by that I matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Sold to people. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: So, I mean, there was the Bronco, the first-generation Bronco from Ford absolutely. Was a convertible, but you know, that's more of a, I don't even know how you'd make this distinction, so, and I'm sure there is a term for it, but it's, you know, there's difference to me from like you're taken off a hard top and there's, uh, [00:42:00] indoors, and then now it's a convertible versus something. You know, has a rag top that you can just kind of pick up and put down. Although I, you know, then again, it's like a Jeep then would qualify. So I don't know what, I don't know what I'm saying. I don't have, I have not developed my theory of convertibles yet, but in the meantime, somebody on, on Reddit, uh, in the weird wheels, subreddit, uh, which I have not matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: I have got to join joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: but Yeah. I just put, join on it. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: I follow a weird cars like Twitter account that just pulls up concept cars from the sixties. It's joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Yeah, no, I'm all about it. Uh, but up, uh, some pictures of a Ford, uh, sky ranger, which they say, uh, there was only 17, uh, known to exist. I, didn't bother doing any research to be clear. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: I was deep in many truck culture when this probably came out in the late eighties. And I do not remember this. I've never. Yeah. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: My guess is that it's a dealer conversion situation. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: It could just be [00:43:00] like a, yeah, like a dealer in Texas just made 17 of them. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Or there's a kid or something. But, uh, I got to say, matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: It's pretty weird. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: I like it. It looks pretty sweet. It's got eighties, uh, Stripe graphics on the, on the side. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: topography. I think it's hobo, but, uh, I'm amazed. They did a, they did an extra cab cut, not just a standard cab cut, which is a lot easier. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: If you're going to have a convertible truck, you want to be able to bring your friends. And I think, uh, I think, I think it makes a lot of sense matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: It's pretty ugly. It's joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: check it matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: all day. There's no, there's no convertible truck. I would not drive all all the way around. And I would think I'd look real cool and it would make me look even older than the 44 years that I am. And I I've accepted that now. That's totally fine. Uh, matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: is weird wheels thread. It is gold. Pure gold. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Yeah. I'm going to dig into that a little more. Cause I cars subreddits. If we can [00:44:00] make a slight detour, uh, just rolled into the shop, the mechanics, uh, largely mechanics, uh, subreddit. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah, that was, I was a bike mechanic and that was a running joke of. Just rolled into the shop with like, oh yeah, I was just riding my bike and this happened and that's the big joke. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: there's a awful car mods, Uh, which is just basically the same content. That's an awesome car mods. Cause it's all down to taste. Uh, I won't list all the subreddits on, uh, that are car related and truck related that I followed, but some of them are actually pretty good. So I will, uh, I will give, I'll give them that. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: it does remind me, I have, I have pulled my car over and taken photos of someone slamming a truck bed in the back of something and send it to you specifically over the last few years, like, uh, someone trying to make a new El Camino out of a, you know, an SUV or something is a thing I've done for years joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: I love it. I love this. I love it. you. keep sending them like, I there's nothing that makes me happier than [00:45:00] seeing matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Backyard El Camino. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Yeah. something, get something that gets turned into a truck that was not shop trucks. And you'll see people weld in like diamond plate in the back and make their own beds. Like I I'm matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Oh yeah. I sent you, yeah. I sent you the eighties, uh, uh, four wheel drive. Turkcell, uh, built by a high school auto body shop where they chopped a truck bed into it. It was amazing. The kind that had like the ATM on the back of it, like looking license plate. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: It's we have to get our nation's cars turned into trucks, and if we don't support, if we don't support, uh, there's just not enough trucks out being sold. So we're going to have to start turning matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: we shouldn't be sponsored by saws all that we got to go for with this. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: That's uh, that's right? Yeah. And Harbor freight, uh, stick welders. They're going to, matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Oh joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: of real bad decisions made after our matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Do you have any, a YouTube favorites for the. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: I don't have any YouTube favorites of the week, but I have a potential new segment. We'll see how active and out and about I get over the. spring and summer, [00:46:00] but I'd like to call this potential segment. Cool trucks I saw this week. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Okay. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Yeah. So yeah. Cool. truck that's saw, uh, I saw a green and tank. Uh, Bronco to Eddie Bauer edition. When I was out walking the other day, it was perfect in perfect condition. Clearly had been restored. And I know that almost a hundred percent certain because it was, uh, it just sounded like the engine was built and it was real loud and it was like, it didn't sound like an old, you know, struggling it's somebody restored it. It was. Fantastic. And I, I, I think, uh, people are looking right now for affordable ish and, you know, in the current market, affordable four by fours that are still relatively easy to get. Cause they made a million of [00:47:00] them. Uh, man, Bronco twos. People don't love them cause the OJ stuff like, but there's just so many of them. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: there's still body on frame, but they have that weird I-beam front end. Right? joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Uh, you know, I don't know how the frame, I mean, they are body on frame to my knowledge. Cause it's the Explorer was the first, like basically what killed them when they went to a unibody, uh, which I actually love the way and explore looks, but it's Yeah, it's a unibody, uh, SUV, not a, not a body on frame situation, but Bronco twos. Uh, just man. Yeah. It's it was even the wheels were cleaned up. It was a very, very nice looking. And also, I just realized, because I didn't write it down, but yesterday, so we live by, uh, like a park. That's got a good view. And so a lot of times in the morning, people will just kind of pull up 7, 6, 7 in the morning and watch the sunrise. And, uh, my wife and I were walking down through the park and I saw a [00:48:00] nineties, uh, I think it was a 99 Ram 1500. That was. Immaculate like perfect. And the guy was sitting in it and it had a snowplow on the front. And so I turned to my wife and I said, as I often do, and she doesn't care, I was like, that guy loves his truck. Like, that's crazy that he has a snowplow. He's out in the salt, he's doing all this stuff and it's a nineties truck and it is still in perfect shape. So I walked up to the guy just to give him a, a compliment. And, uh, and he, and he told me, you know, he said, thanks. He didn't think I was too, too weird. And uh, he's like, well, you know why this is so clean. And I said, I don't. And he said, yeah, Well, because I own this body shop in the neighborhood and, and now my, you know, he's, I've sold it to my cousin. He runs it down or whatever, but he's like, yeah, I ran [00:49:00] his body, the local body shop for 40 years. So I was, uh, first of all, mad that he still doesn't run the body shop. Cause I absolutely love a hookup on. Paint work and some damage, uh, that I need to get cleaned up on my vehicles, but salute to that guy for having a machine that he both used clearly, cause it had a snowplow on it. It was not performative snowplow. Uh, but it also. Not, uh, not a spot of rust on it. Perfect paint. Uh, Yeah. I, I, that, that to me was extremely cool that it doesn't get cooler than, Uh, uh, well sorted well-kept vehicle. That's also still being used for its intended purposes. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: I would've asked him how many times these were placed, like fender liners and joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Oh, the whole truck's probably new. yeah. It's probably falling apart 15 times, but you know, that morning it looked, it looked great. So salute to those two local trucks, uh, that I hope to see again, but the, that has been cool charts I saw this week matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: I think the cool, coolest [00:50:00] truck I've seen on recently was on YouTube and, you know, through Hoover's garage and, um, who was the joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: has account. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: The car wizard, where they pulled in a million mile forward F150 from like 10 years ago. Um, that was apparently owned by one of the railroad companies. And it was like the shop truck for like the most important parts. Like when. Uh, train breaks down in Iowa. You just have to get on the road and get this part to them right now. And like in only 10 or 15 years, they had a million miles on the car. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: now, was it a rail truck where it matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: No, no, it wasn't the cool ones. Nah, it was just, just like a road trip truck. But the funny part is in a million miles, you have to replace the engine like three times the transmission. I think there's a chain schedule. This transmission is only good for 350,000 miles. So we're on our second or third. And like they had done all the maintenance and it was like perfectly running and ad 990,000 miles on it. I was like, I was just amazed that that's even possible. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: No, that's cool. I love a long mile, uh, [00:51:00] vehicle and I don't care if they, I mean, you know, it's, you're going to have to replace an engine here and there, you know, the, uh, certainly on a, on a truck and a lot of those shop trucks, just like, uh, when you go by, when you look at auction trucks from like government surplus and you're like, wow, this thing's only got, you know, 60,000 miles on it. But matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: they've been battered. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Or it's just been sitting idling for hours and hours and hours every day, like a cop car where they never turn it off and it's always just sitting there. But, uh, th that I will give you that one. I think YouTube trucks can't count. We're gonna have to do another segment. That's called sharks. I saw this week on YouTube. Uh, but, uh, matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: I was just thinking that was the most unique car thing I've seen. And I'll include the link in the show notes. Um, I guess the other thing I've been enjoying on YouTube is. The Sarah in tuned. I don't know why I never saw her stuff, but like she's a former aerospace, uh, mechanic. She knows her shit forwards and backwards. Um, but [00:52:00] plays with the sexuality of it. The whole thing is awesome. It's just like young woman, super mechanic knows like. Brand of what company made the transmission and inside of every new car understands how, um, you know, she's speaking, she's speaking, like shop talk and it's really hardcore, you know, mechanic stuff. She puts every car on the lift and looks under it and breaks them down. Um, the funny part is she's in somewhere in like Arizona or something, and she has this like, uh, dirt hill that she always climbs in every car. And so I love it cause she's done the, like all these four by fours up this, and it's apparently a pretty gnarly. 25 degrees slope, and it's all slippery and hard packed. And like she's done the Maverick and the Maverick made it up, which was amazing. And like, she'll play with, like, she won't read the manuals, just try to figure out let's put it on slippery mode and see if that works. Let's try it in sand mode. And she eventually made up this pretty gnarly, like in the Maverick is going up on three wheels and stuff. Cause it doesn't have enough articulation, but yeah. She [00:53:00] gets like, I mean, just like all YouTube, you know, these people you haven't heard of on YouTube with some subscribers, they, they just have every, you know, they're in the car review, um, fleets and they get every latest car when it comes out. So she just did it with the, the, uh, S uh, Santa Cruz, the, uh, El Camino, um, was it their smallest SUV? They cut the back off and made it a truck, which I was super into. If it was, if the Hyundai Santa Cruz was an Evie, I would be all over it as like, Like, that's just barely enough truck to like work for my life. Like I could joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: it was cool, but it came, I think the pricing matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah. That's why I moved joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: by the matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: It was basically 40 grand while the, you know, Maverick was going to be more like 25. So, joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: So Sarah is, I've seen these, uh, I haven't seen the videos, but I've seen him, you know, in the carousel. So Sarah it's in like toys R us, Sarah in tuned. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Yeah, pretty, I would say consistently great truck reviews and she bashes the shit out of [00:54:00] these fleet models and tries to get Subarus up there, giant hill and like no fear. Uh, it's pretty good. It's pretty good. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Well, we're gonna, we're going to change her life today by sending our matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: The joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: out to her channel. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: deliver the bump. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: That stepside bump. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Let me find. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: happy for. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: The best thing. I was just going through SEMA stuff, just going God, where if there was old Maverick stuff I missed from like the SEMA stuff. I love watching SEMA videos every year. Like every November when it happens, just because you see all these layers and grace and weird shit that you'll never see on the street. And there's guys that just walk around with GoPro strapped to their head. For our videos and I'll just zone out, like while working it's going on the corner. And it's great. My favorite thing I've ever seen with SEMA is a guy who I think he was just running around and he was just like, he compiled the clips of like the worst welding he had seen at SEMA a few years ago. And apparently like millions of. So, so he set out this year to do worst [00:55:00] welds. It SEMA 20, 21. And the funny part is he has a bit of a following and people, like, if he goes up to the truck, people are, are wary. And the STL like doing on the down low, but there are some God awful. Like I'm not a welder, he's not a welder. He just knows what good welding looks like, which is from my welding friends. It's a stack of dimes, like perfect. Like you should see the rings on every. And, you know, we've all seen car shows and stuff where they're welding constantly and you usually see their work and they usually grind it away. But like, this is, you know, seem as a big deal. It's the big show. And every year everyone has to scramble to get something ready and everything has to be outrageous, so it can be seen and stuff. So it's just, it's like 10 glorious minutes of this guy. No, the same 15 minutes of just some God awful, like there's gaps that are rusting, you know, under the paint. Like on these hundred, $200,000 lifted trucks, like it's, it's remarkable. Like there's, I, I just love this joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: When is the neck, [00:56:00] first of all, I do want to see it. So I will actually check our own show notes to, uh, to find it. But when it's SEMA, it's the next same matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: Oh, they're always like the first weekend, uh, first week of November and it's specialty equipment manufacturer association. So these are all the aftermarkets for joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: been to one. Uh, I've actually been to one, but I, it was years matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: They're now open to the public one day or two days. And they used to be industry only. So this was, this was the manufacturers making the wheels, um, saying, Hey, the noon lays Mustang came out. There's there's always one car that's just all over. This was the Bronco. A few years ago, it was the toilet super a year. Every single booth had, you know, the same car and then you, you're supposed to be like a, like a accessories kind of company, you know, that gets an invite. And then you would say, I'm the order of these wheels by this company? Cause I really liked them and I think I could sell them to my customers. But now, now it's kind of open to the public, I think because YouTube probably like enough people walked around last few years. Uh, [00:57:00] joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Well, if it's anything like CES, uh, which I have been to more times than I can count, you know, the, the people that ran the consumer electronic show would always say it was really for buyers and suppliers to get together and hash out deals. And then they just happened to do, you know, the, the, which I kind of tend to believe. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: oh, no, it used to be hard to get into there's a bike industry show. That was impossible. But the funny part is like somewhere around the year, 2000, if you just said you had a blog somewhere, they would give you a pass and you could get into lots of these. But joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: well where we may have to put, uh, we may have to put a pin in our calendar for future episodes. Either go to SEMA and, and look at it together. Uh, and there's some other shows too. There's some construction industry shows I, uh, I have subscribed to for at least a decade. There's a concrete, uh, industry trade show that I am no irony whatsoever. I'm dying to go to. I would love to go to a concrete show and see [00:58:00] like what the latest and greatest and concrete is. So, uh, yeah. I, I will, I will look matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: wonder if they've gotten to like 3d printing houses and all that crazy shit joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: Yeah, man. It's that It's outside of the boundaries of the topic of this podcast, but, uh, I will send you some links later. There's a, there's a, there's a company down in Austin, actually. That's, uh, starting to do some 3d houses and actually put them up for, for sale 3d printed, concrete houses. It's it's cool. It's cool stuff. Uh, all right. Anybody, anything else you want to shout out for? matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: no, I think we're, we're good. We're almost at an hour. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: All right. We did it. All right. Uh, thanks everybody. And we'll see you next time on step side. matt--he-him-_4_03-15-2022_103823: It's the podcast about trucks. joel_1_03-15-2022_133823: That's it. That's.