127_Gurds Hundal === Gurds: The first one is trust and delight, which is an eight week. I say eight weeks, but sometimes it ends up being eight months. It really depends on the client and where their journey is and how, how long they want it to be. But I believe it's all about self-awareness in the beginning. Like I, you can't have boundaries without having self-awareness or forgiveness because you're always going to fall back into the trap. So the way I work is we look at what patterns are holding you back. So like, we look at ancestral cultural society, familial. We even look at work trauma, you know, everything is linked. And then once we look at that, we work on forgiveness because. Again, the forgiveness is not for them. It's for you. Yeah. You know, the pain that you have for how someone's treated you. I can't them to clear that. Then we work again on the awareness and then we were combat Andries because when you have that awareness, boundaries are easy and you can speak your truth quicker. If you don't do the inner work. And you're trying to put boundaries, you're always going to feel like, oh, should I, or should I not? But when you've done that in a work, you're like, no, I want to be peaceful. I want to want to be happy. So I'm doing this. So to tell somebody that, Hey, you can't take them. It can't me anymore. So again, this is based on my own journey and what I've seen and how I kind of did it. And obviously it taught me a lot longer than eight weeks. It took me like, God, we're talking over seven years plus to see all these things and patterns, but I spotted it within women. And how he sends to women, we all have this kind of like similarity wh === Monica: Welcome to The revelation Project podcast. I'm Monica Rogers, and this podcast is intended to disrupt the trance of unworthiness and to guide women, to remember and reveal the truth of who we are. We say that life is a revelation project and what gets revealed gets healed. Hello everyone. And welcome to another episode of the Revelation Project Podcast. Hello everyone. And welcome to another episode of the revelation project podcast. Today, we're talking about what it is to be an empath. My guest is Gurds Hundal. Gurds Hundal is a dynamic voice for the modern generation of highly sensitive women. She's an empowerment coach and self-healing expert, whose mission is to empower women back to their inner light. She's the creator of trust your inner light and rise up sister coaching programs that help women go. From energetically drained to emotionally, physically, financially, and spiritually liberated. She is the host of the inner light project podcast and the author of a Duco 52 quotes for leading a better life. Please join me in welcoming Gurds Hundal. Hey Gurds Gurds: I'm good. Thank you. I'm just excited to talk to you and just actually to finally meet you as well. It's amazing. Monica: Oh, thank you. Well, and I, I don't know if I pronounce that right. Is it Unico? Is. At duke. It is Duco. Yeah. I love that. Tell it like, what does that word even mean? I love words like that, where I'm like, what does that mean? Gurds: It's the Latin word for education from within. Monica: Oh, I love that. Yeah. Yeah. So good. Fascinating. Well, where would you like to begin? I mean, this has been a really big week, so I'm kind of just curious, like where are you in at all? Gurds: Oh, I think women more than ever need to rise up in their power and it's our turn to really no longer take crap from the other gender. I think we've gone through and not just right now, but even our ancestors, our female ancestors have been going through so much pain and were the ones here to finally heal them, to liberate them and ourselves. That's kind of where I feel where we're at right now. And I feel. We can't hide. No, we can't be quiet. Cause if we do, this is going to be what it's like for the next generation to come and that's just not going to solve anything. So we really need to take the stand, even though it's hard and it's painful and it's raw, it's going to be so powerful if we do this work. Monica: I couldn't agree more. Yeah. A lot gets revealed in these times. I'm seeing things that I forget sometimes, which is that we're not all on the same page, first of all, as women. So even just as women and that there's a lot of. Change and fluidity in this space that there's a lot of evolution happening. A lot of awakenings happen, many people in different stages of their evolution. And I remember, and you, and I kind of spoke before we jumped on that. One of the ceremonial kind of initiations that I went through this year talked about what we would be encountering, um, that we had to go back to go forward. And so I just think it's interesting that we're revisiting some of these things that women throw up at their hands and say like, I can't believe we're dealing with this. And so, you know, for those listeners that may not know what we're talking about, we're talking about what's happening right now with the abortion laws. Gurds: Yeah. It just blows my mind. Cause like, obviously I'm based in the UK and every time I hear about this, it comes up every few years. Nothing changes. It's the same conversation, the same, or like people are fighting and arguing about it, but nothing actually gets done. And I feel like this is the first time I'm feeling like there's a shift that's going to happen. Monica: Yeah. Well, it's got to happen. It's got to happen. And I think that's why it's happening is because it's an opportunity. All of these challenges are opportunities to change the status quo. And so we're either going to meet that opportunity and make change happen, or we're not. And, and a lot of conversation gets. Stimulated. And it feels exhausting because it's on the heels of all of these other things. So I think there's, there's like a lot of reminders to the women and men who are listening to go gentle and to give yourself space and grace and rest because it takes a certain stamina, I think, to actually sustain, you know, I know women who just needed to disconnect for a couple of days. They just needed to like, go lay down, you know, like I just need to go lay down. I'm so overwhelmed. It's like, good, go do that. And rest up because we have some work to do, but everybody's kind of at a different stage and we have to. It's like passing the Baton. It's like, okay, I'm exhausted. Can you, can you take it from here? You know? Cause like we need to be allying in that way right now Gurds: Seeing the way I see it is it's all trauma. Oh. You know, for women. Right? So women trauma, exactly. Women for centuries have been mistreated. And if you look at the medical system, we've always been mistreated. I don't know if you know about the word hysteria it was used when they couldn't make sense of what women have problems in their body. So they used to think we were being hysterical. Monica: So it's linked to hysterectomy too, which is what they thought would make us less hysterical for God's sakes. Gurds: So this is my point, like, is that. For centuries, we've been going through this. It's not just ours, our female ancestors. So there is a lot of trauma that we all hold about these kinds of situations and not having the right to our bodies because even decades before women didn't have the right to their own bodies, they were there to reproduce. And now we're being told by people in government that, you know, this is the law and this is how things should be. What gives them the right to tell us it's again, they're giving us more trauma when we all have trauma and we all have, have different levels of trauma. And if we don't work on our trauma, that whole conversation is traumatic itself. So that's kind of how I see it is that it's just the world's trauma is rising up to the surface and it needs to be cleared because how can we move forward for the next generations, if we're not healing the pains of the wounds of ancestors that's right. Monica: Well, and it's also to your point, it's also kind of. In our DNA, it's a cellular trauma as well. You know, it's not, it's from centuries of oppression, centuries of being gas lit, you know, as a women being held responsible it's and it's hard to recognize, but this is where I think her story is so important. And it's so important for women to be curating our history. Telling our history and telling our stories moving forward, because part of what is missing from this equation is, are the experiences and the stories of women. And yes, there are large amount of women who are writing their stories and sharing their stories, but not to the extent that men have been allowed to do that. And men have done that. And so what we know is his story, not her story, and we need our story moving forward. Our story moving forward, this is a co-creation and it, there's obviously a lot of layers here to unpack, but I do think we're collectively unpacking them. And we're right now unpacking the one about abortion in a woman's body. And yes, we've visited this conversation a number of times, but it does feel different this time. And I'm going to assert that it is different this time, because I need to, I need the, I need to feel that it's different this time. Dammit, you know, so Kurtz, what does revelation mean to you? I always like asking my guests lately what it means to them, because I've recognized that it means a lot of different things to a lot of different people and that it's believe it, or not often a trigger word for women because they liken it to like the Bible or, you know, Gurds: So, wow. I didn't even think of that. That's fascinating. Gosh, I see it as. That's being a brave warrior. Who's not afraid to care what anyone thinks knows that they're here to help the packs to be empowered and inspired and to be in the empowered energy. That's what kind of comes up for me. It's like almost like a goddess, but knows herself, but leads the pact and says, this is the way. And if you follow your life is just going to be beautiful. Monica: So like helping to reveal the path for others like that. Gurds: Yeah. Yeah. Monica: Yeah. It's like imagining like a woman with the lantern, you know, is like shining the light on, uh, options, paths, new ways of seeing things, new ways of being, Gurds: It's almost like an awakening awakening from the old self. So. You know, once the light is on you can't go back. Monica: Yeah. Isn't that the truth, Gurds: That's it. Right. And then one, one light shines then another one, and then it repeats the process. So that's what I meant by the pack. The pack is like, it's, it's like one light goes off then another and another. And before you know it, there's hundreds of thousands of view around you to saying, we hear you. We feel you. We know what, what, wait, what you're feeling. Monica: Gurds are you into human design or the gene keys at all. Gurds: I know that, um, I know I'm a generator, but that's about it. Monica: Okay. I'm a generator too. But the reason I mentioned it is as I've gotten further and further into the gene keys, Richard Rudd talks about the fact that we literally, when we do our work, when we do our shadow work, when we unlock certain sequences inside of our DNA, that we literally bring more light into the body. And that, that light, you cannot undo that light, that, that we literally take in more light at a cellular level. And we lighten up, Ooh, and we become the light. And as we continue to unlock these sequences and I would consider unlocking a part of the healing process, we become more light oriented, less dense, and also more filled with light and able to illuminate. So we actually do become these reveal. Gurds: Wow. I can understand that actually looking at my whole journey. So it'll be 12, 12, sorry, 10 years coming up this year for my healing process. And the more I healed, the more my light shined and the more people were like, there's something about her. There's some energy and they wanted to be around me and they wanted to know what I was doing so I can actually see that. And I, as I look back and reflect at 10 years ago, like I had so much heaviness, so much anger, so much hurt, so much pain out of aligned with myself. Um, gosh, I didn't know myself. I was being what the world told me to be. I was as good girl. I was a people pleaser. I was a sacrifice. I didn't know how to stand up in my truth. Whereas as I peeled off those layers, the more I stood in my truth, the more I stopped saying yes to everything. My energy shifted so I can understand what you're saying, but the, your energy does illuminates and people would say strange things to me. Like I think mine was like, I could, I wish I could put you like next to a plug. And I was like, why? Because you, life's not the whole place. I'm like, okay. Monica: Yeah, which is also a generator thing I've found is that just forgive me listeners while I geek out on this for a second longer. So what I've learned about generators is also B so there's 70%, I think, of a. And we're like the worker bees of all humanity. The interesting thing is that most generators are actually doing the opposite of what they're called to do. And if they're there, they're not self they're continually frustrated and dense and right. And when they're actually in alignment with who they really are, when they're, when they're led by their yeses, then they create a ton of energy that actually inspires people. And that allows people. So it's like, whenever I'm on with another generator, I typically have like, there's a lot of energy. Right. Cause it makes sense. Right. There's a vibe. So anyway, I just wanted to add that that's a very generator thing to be able to kind of bring that energy to a room, especially in a room full of generators who can, who can see themselves, but they're not necessarily in their power yet or in their light yet. It's like, but they resonate with it. You know what I mean? Oh, you represent in a way I want that. Gurds: That's how clients, if you think about it. Yeah Monica: I think so. I mean, I, I think we're really called to, you know, just be attracted to the people we're meant to work with in some way or to, or to follow or to hear, listen to you. So, and I don't take that for granted. Like, it really feels to me like I'm S I'm just so grateful, you know, I'm grateful to, to know that I'm grateful to know that about the people I'm attracted to. And I trust that. So what would you say is your unique brilliance, Gurds: Seeing patterns within people and helping them? I don't know how I do it. I just see patterns as I'm talking to somebody, I will know, like their ancestral history, their cultural history, you name it. And just helping them to dissect that and understand it, but also to forgive those things and to just move forward. That's I think that's my. My brilliance. Monica: Yeah. I love that. So to be able to see patterns, and I know what you're talking about, cause I can do that too. I, in, in different ways and with different people is to be able to almost, it's almost like it drops down and it doesn't, it's almost like it drops down into a grid and I can like follow, you know, some kind of it's it's such a hard thing to describe, but I too can see patterns and things. And I love that, you know that about yourself. Gurds: Just to add, I was going to say one of my friends said, I'd love to know like how your brain works. I reckon it's like the matrix, like the coding. So it's probably the same view of the way it works. I'll bring like codes in a way. Monica: Does it make sense to most people and doesn't even make sense to me. Sometimes there's an end. It's a gift because I don't always, I can't always access it. So when I'm, I guess when I'm meant to access it, I can, but it doesn't necessarily show up for me all the time or on demand. So I guess, you know, part of me is kind of like, just as filled with, wonder about it as anybody else. And so as a podcaster, what I, you know, and for our listeners, you know that as I read Gurds bio, that she is also a podcaster. What are the conversations that light you up? The most Gurds: People who've been through, like the worst pain that you could ever imagine, but have found a way or like the system has such them, like they've had a health condition and there's no other way, but they've chosen to ignore that and be. In their truth and find a way. So it's kind of like the revelation it's like, you're going to tell me no. Okay. Thing, light bulb comes on. I'm going to show the way. And I love interviewing people like that because I want the listeners to know that they're not alone. And the reason I started the podcast many years ago was because I was alone. And I know what it feels like when you're on that journey of like doing the inner work is tiring. It's lonely. But to hear another soul saying, it might not be exactly like your story, but saying, you know what? I got through it and this is where I am now that blows me away. Monica: Yeah. And they say, we teach or talk about what we was most kind of near and dear, right. To our own story. So what parts of your own story are resonant with that? What you just shared? Gurds: I was alone. I know what it is to get to a low point where. You have no answers. You don't know what you going to do, but you have this faith and this conviction in yourself that you will find a solution. And so I always feel like I relate with the, like the person I'm interviewing, because I know like even the pain might not be same, but we've been in the same situation where we had no other way of knowing what to do, but we trusted this divine power universe, whatever you want to call it. And then the answers showed up. And I think that's what I relate with is because I honestly know what it feels like to be alone in that situation. And I can give you numerous situations in my own health, like my life as well. You know what? I went on this journey, 2012, nobody understood me around me. They thought I was nuts. There was something wrong with me. I'd lost the plot. I needed to see a doctor, but I was, I was doing deep work. And then when I had like health conditions, I had a kidney problem. Back in 2015, I went from being on stage, like having this amazing successful career. And then overnight like that went and I had to surrender and I had no other choice. And I've had people on the podcast who had similar experiences, again, slightly different from mine. But had been in a process where they were doing amazingly well and they lost everything and they had to rebuild, but we all learn the process of balancing our masculine and feminine energies because we didn't know that about ourselves. So I thank God, like I've healed it. Um, but again, I knew there was a solution and again, they knew there was a solution. And again, we knew there was something greater than ourselves and everything is a lesson and a blessing. So there was a reason why I had to go through what I went through and the reason why they went through what they went through. So that's kind of how I see it is that it's a journey. And I love sharing journeys where people have found a solution because there's so much pain in the world right now where people have no answers, they will leave a listen to a doctor, say, this is it for them. But to hear somebody that has come out of it and has found a way. That is what I relate to because I did the same thing. Monica: And what, what was it like, do you mind sharing more about what happened with the kidney? You said it was a kidney issue. Yeah. I feel like there's a lot there. Gurds: So 2015 living my best life. I suddenly get some pains in my kidney. I had a shower and then I was like, oh, I'll just chill out. Next minute. I knocked out on my bed for two hours. Woke on, woke up with excruciating pains. A paramedic said to me that you've got a kidney problem. The doctor of the hospital said, no, you've just got a urine infection. I spent two years of my life. Fighting with doctors fighting with consultants to know what was going on with me. They didn't have no clue what was going on. They just kept saying, urine an infection. Take this, take that. Um, oh, it's a blockage, but what kind of blockage and what it turned out to be, which Monica was just like, oh my God, I was born with a kidney defect. And I found at 29 years old that I had to keep. So for years I had pain in my right side thinking it was a stitch. I did gymnastics as a kid. Again, I say, oh, it's a stage as you do. Monica: Yeah. I got a stitch in my side. Gurds: Yeah. Not a stitch. I was born with a kidney defects and my you to requite was twisted. So, yeah, I'd been going around living life thinking, oh yeah. And I would be tired a lot, but again, I thought, oh, it's just because I'm doing too much. It was all to do my kidney. So when the whole kidney thing happened, I had again, different consultants saying different things. They wanted to remove it. And I refused and I found one consultant and I guess it was just timing. He was like, we can, we can, we can operate on it. We can remove this step and not saturate the knots. We can reconstruction of the kidney and just see what happens and take it from there. And I honest to God, like it was the best decision I made, even though a year later after that, I ended up getting kidney disease again, that's a whole nother journey. Monica: And was that related? Was that related to it? Gurds: I managed to heal that, um, as in the operation or the kidney? Monica: Well, I'm curious because first it was like a kidney defect and then there was a kidney disease. Where was there a relationship between the two. Gurds: For what I know now, obviously the medical system doesn't understand it from just my own research. You've got to imagine you're having so many scans and I had so many nuclear dye injections that your body can't cope with. So many scams, because it's so many like toxins in your body. So I think my body had already had so much inside of it, like toxins that the body didn't know what to do now. It was healing. It was, it was getting confused. And so I had, I needed to get rid of all the toxic, heavy metals out of my body naturally. And now it's reversed. I did that within seven months. Monica: Wow. How did you do that? Like, what did you do? Like did you, and I'm, I'm asking because I find that health challenges are huge for so many people and there's, it's like doing your personal work. We can either look at it from a victim mentality. It's like, this is happening to me. Or we can say this is happening for me. And there's a way that sometimes we get a diagnosis and we get invested in that story and it is a story we can heal everything and anything. And when we don't know that and we invest in that story, we have a very limited road that we can go down. But if we refuse to take that. And live it as our story, we can create a different outcome. And I'm not saying in every single incidence that is true, but in many of them, it's true. And I love what you were saying about how the medical establishment didn't know. And there are a lot of things. The medical establishment doesn't know. And there's a time when we have to take our power back because I think so many of us have given our power over to medical institutions and they don't have all the answers. In fact, they have a very limited range of answers and. What I love about the Revelation Project is that once you start doing your own Revelation Project, which I say, we're all doing, we start revealing way more than we ever knew was possible. And this is where we start to get into the realm of synchronicity and miracles. Because when we start actually believing an alternative narrative that empowers us versus disempowers us, the universe starts coming with all the gifts and all the ways and all the opportunities for us to choose a different story. Gurds: Yeah. Well, you see, I've always, when I looked back at my life and I look at back, however I'm seeing has been, ah, not with a lot of people who were ill. I've also grown up with a mom who was a nurse who worked in the kidney renal unit. Very strange, connected to my story is all linked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all linked like. Yeah, exactly Monica: . Of course. And me with, you know, my dad was a vascular surgeon and I have all kinds of weird issues that have to deal with the vascular system. Yeah. Wow. Gurds: Yeah. You get it. Yeah. You get it. Most people are just like what? Like yeah, you get it. Gosh. So I always felt. I've always from a young age, I need to find a solution. I need to help people. I need to save people. It's just, it's in my DNA the way I've always been. So like growing up, I had a lot of health problems before that. So I had like eating disorder had to depression. I had IBS, I had anxiety. I was anemic. Um, my left arm stopped working in Canada. I had to, I learned to regenerate it like, you know, you meant, and I went for a cancer scare at 25. So prior to all of like everything before the kidney thing, I always found a solution. To a problem. I was always like, no, I can find a solution, but this was the first time I had no solution and I didn't know what to do. And I had to trust the medical system more than ever before. Like I also had, uh, years before that I had, um, tonsil stones and, and the consultant wanting to remove my tonsil. And I said, just give me six months, I'll come back. And I use like apple cider vinegar. And I went back and he's like, oh my God, how did you do that? And I said, apple cider vinegar, honey. And he said, oh, that's a miracle. And I'm like, yeah, here we go. Again. I was so used to hearing it's a miracle many times when I would heal situations. So with the kidney thing, I just, I would Google everything like, you know, talk to who I could ask my mom, nobody had an answer for me because we didn't know what this blockage was or what was going on. So I had to surrender and listen and trust in doctors more than I'd ever done before. By the way, I also worked in a pharmacy whilst I was at uni. I'm a very strange person. Well, not strange, but it's just who I am. It's like the medical systems and multifaceted. Yeah, cause I was actually a journalist, so I was of curious brain. So I used to always look and think, why is this person taking 20 medications? Why did they like my brain was just thinking like that. Even then at like 18, 19 years old, I was very confused why we needed to take so many medications. So when I got to this point in my life where like I had self healed, you know, I'd done all my emotional work at that point. I'm like, what happened? Like how did I get to this point? And so I listened to the doctors, I trusted the process. I did everything else I could. And then after the operation about a year and a half. Start again, paints again. They said, take this, take that again. I refuse that to sit. Okay. I'll take the prescription, but never really did, but I just, I was just, I remember breaking down one day saying universe does show me the way, what is going on with me because surely I've had the operation now I should be feeling better. And then how the universe works years ago, I was on hay house radio. And I remember listening to a guy called medical medium, how to show, but I thought he was quite a fanatic. Cause like, if you don't understand them, he's, he's quite intense. Like, I'll be honest again. He's downloading. So it's not him. It's it's the divine God. Monica: And I love his work. Gurds: Right. And so like I remembered him and I was like, oh, let me Google here. No kidney problems. And I kid you not came up with celery juice that came up with cucumber juice. And I was like, okay, let me do this. Then I bought all the books I dived in deep. I just listened to everything that he said about kidneys. And I honest to God, like within about a month, I started to see a difference. Monica: Wow. Gurds: I remember when I first took a sip of celery I felt like I was drunk. Like I don't drink anymore, but I was like, wow, I didn't realize I was lacking so much in my body. And slowly, the more I did with his protocols, the pains in my back was going. I had, I had massive light marks on my back, my, this long, all the way where my kidney was, the pain was less than my kidney, my fatigue. I still got a bit of fatigue, but again, it's better than what it used to be. So I think it was like seven. It was seven months into the protocol and I went and had some bloods done. And then they were like, oh, You don't have kidney disease. Anyone. I was like, well, it's a miracle. I thought, yes, we need to do more tests to check this. And I have this and you're like, oh my God, here we go again. But the thing I didn't tell you is that the consultant did tell me I had kidney disease. I found out myself, uh, but again, that's the guests investigative brain. I have guess we all have to investigate. We all need to know our bodies. If we don't know our bodies, we're giving our power away. So I learned that a long time ago, you need to know what's going on with you, ask the questions, everything you need to know. And. All for another opinion. So I was going through a horrible stage. I remember there's like kidney charities. So I talked to somebody there and I said, I don't know what's going on. I think I have kidney disease. I've got all the symptoms. It makes sense to me. And so he told me get, I think it was like your EGF number and another number. And so when my doctor gave me my results, I asked for those numbers and they were quite surprised me asking for them. They're like, oh, how'd, you know that? And I was like, oh, just someone told me to get them. And then I gave them back to him. He checked the numbers and he said, you have stage two. Then I went to my consultant and instead of saying, oh, let's work on it. He asked me, oh, how did, how did you find this out? Um, so I could've, they could've led me up to stage five, which is like, is like dialysis point. Had I not done the work? Monica: Oh my God. Gurds: And I, I did not want to be in that situation because like I said, my mum was a nurse in dialysis. I know exactly what it's like from her for telling me the experiences. And I didn't want to go down that route. So Monica: Yeah. I mean, it's so true, you know, everything that you're saying, and I love that you just continued to allow your curiosity to really kind of drive. And that can be really intimidated because you're getting all this conflicting information. But I think that there's a way that our body kind of resonates with the information that's true for us. And we just keep going in that path. At least that's what I've found. And also just paying attention when you drank the celery juice, like you've actually felt like your body was like, thank you. You know, like there's there are clues, but I think we have to be embodied. And this is where. You have a lot of experience in being a very sensitive person. You grew up a very sensitive child. I think that sensitivity can be such a gift and it can also be. The the opposite and it, it's also kind of my, I guess my question is like, did you, do you find, because you are so sensitive that it was easy for you to pick up on the signals, your body was giving you when it was time to do the healing? Gurds: Probably. Yes, but I D I was going to say a lot of people think sensitivity is a curse. It's not, it's just, we've not been taught how to manage it. I think once we know how to manage it, it is a beautiful blessing. Like sometimes it can be a pain, don't get me wrong in certain situations, but it's always being aware of your surroundings also knowing how to keep yourself grounded in those situations. But yeah, I think, yeah, being sensitive, I think I have always picked up people's emotions, even the consultants. I know when they're lying and they just don't know what they're talking about and I'll quiz them, but they'll get annoyed. Monica: And actually just, just for our listeners, I think I know what you mean by consultants, but we don't, I don't believe we have those in the U S so help me understand how do those. What is a consultant? Is that like, because do you ha do you guys have a different health system there? Do you do? Because in the us we have insurance and we, oh, yes. It's. So in other words, our health system is like, We can go to specialists, but it's out of pocket or, uh, we can, we can go to functional medicine doctors or natural paths or chiropractors, but it's typically out of pocket unless you pay a bigger insurance policy that also covers specialists and things like that. But there are anybody who's in holistic health care. It's typically out of pocket, just like massage would be out of pocket. Right? Yeah. Okay. So how does that equate to Gurds: That's the same, but you see with our system slightly different here. So obviously we pay our taxes. We NHS here is free. Um, but certain parts you have to pay and then if you want to do private, you can do private. Um, but the way we're kind of going, we're kind of going towards like you guys, like we are going towards the private side now. Um, but you do, we do get to see. So consultants, I guess are kind of like, uh, practitioners. Yeah. Monica: Okay. So it's like a nurse practitioner or? Gurds: Oh no. So they're, they're actually, so they're doctors, so these guys are doctors, but they have a specialism in that. So I would see a gynecologist, but he's still a consultant. Monica: Okay. Okay. Got it. Gurds: Yeah. So we call them consultancy again, just realize it's very different than, yeah. Monica: I'm, I'm just trying to make the equation and, you know, making sure that I'm not making something up, like really like a consultant you cause here in the U S we would consider a consultant, somebody who doesn't necessarily specialize in the thing, but as more of a strategic right. Has a strategic overview. Uh, background in like the whole system, let's say, okay. So we, we w I wouldn't have imagined that a consultant was the same thing as a doctor. What we call a doctor here. Gurds: Yeah. So we have like doctors here, but they specialize in like the, every years. However, the, the consultants, I guess, are more general. Yes. They don't really operate on you, so it'd be somebody else. So they give you the advice on, they would look at the history of you and whatever their specialism and link it to that. So, but they're still doctors. Monica: So it was kind of, we call it our primary here is we call them a primary and we go to them once every six months or once a year for what's called a physical exam. Is that the same thing? Gurds: And this is when you have a problem that you would go see more often. So, so for example, if you had cancer, you would go and see a cancer doctor quite, or a canceled cancer consult. Oh, consultant consultant. Yeah. Okay. Monica: Very good. All right. I understand that. Yeah, but it's good to know, right. Because yeah, it's really good to know because to not take for granted that your system is the same. Things are changing, I think as well in the health industry. And certainly I do see more and more people taking their health into their own hands because they just, they hit a wall at some point where there's no answers and they have to find their own. In some ways I find that that is a very, very big catalyst for a lot of awakening, for a lot of people. It's like, it's one of the many paths available to us. And I feel that, you know, when we're not listening to the nudges from the universe, typically what then happens is some kind of a health crisis. And, you know, in my case, it was like every crisis at once. Cause the universe was like, apparently when I tap your shoulder in one area, like you don't listen, so you need them all. You know? And that was my situation for sure. Was just like, whoa, got the universal two by four from, you know, really not, not getting the message. You know that I needed to pay attention. Gurds: I think the same with me. I think I was, I was overworking my business. I was nuts back then. I was living off like three hours sleep for like several years, because I was like, I need to save everybody and do this and do that and was running around. And then my body went, boom. And then it was like, okay, you can't do that now, what are you going to do? And it was like learning how to balance myself. That's what I mean by the masculine and feminine. I've always had that kind of energy, but that was because I was in the journalism world. So I didn't know how to go into my feminine. Yeah. So that was a whole journey itself for several years. And now I finally got the balance. I'm like, okay, so I can rest now. That's fine. You know, I have my new day off or I'll do certain days where I don't even look at my phone and you know, it's been a process, but I think it's a blessing because had I carried on. I didn't think I would be here right now. Monica: I agree. Same with me and girds, let's head down that road next, because I'd love for you to share with our listeners, what you discovered, some of those practices that were really missing from your life. Like what brought you that kind of balance? Do you mind going there next? Gurds: Yeah. Sure. So. Waking up. I do not look at my phone. I make sure, like I'm saying, thank you. Thank you to the universe. Um, the first hour and a half is me-time, don't need to look at my phone. Don't need to do anything. So that can be like yoga and meditation doing my celery juice, drink, the heavy metals juice. Um, this movie, um, Being grounded in nature, because I think the old world that I knew was that you would you'd get up, you'd run to work. And that, that used to be me. So I learned that actually, I don't need to be like that. I can be slow. I can be gentle. I can take time out for myself. And then I will start work later. And again, the old me would be like knocking in as many clients I could get in a day. Whereas now it's like, right. I'll do two the most. And that's it because that's how my body that's hourly, how much my body can take. And as a generator, that's all I can do. So I've learned to slow that down. Um, so there's things like doing like, so yoga, meditation, chigong crystals, making sure I'm grounded. I have crystals around me. I always take a bath every night because I see water as a cleansing thing. After you've had a long day, just go sit in the bath and just relax. So now listen to some meditation music or anything that just lightens up your soul and just think about what's happened in the day and just think of three things you're grateful for. You can do that with somebody. I can just do it with yourself and then think of three things you'd like to manifest for the next day, because I feel like we're, we're too busy running for the next day not being present. And sometimes we don't need that many things to think about. So that's kind of what I do in a day. And then I have my me day, which is the Thursday. So again, I don't respond on that day. That's my day. I don't need that. And just having. I think as women who are very strong, we're not used to asking for help. And so if you are stuck up with chow, ask somebody, if they can help you. I think that's key. Gosh, I'm trying to think. Oh, also I have like, I do new moon and full moon clearing. So I do a full moon clearing. If there's anything that's holding me back or I'm thinking, creating anything that's tense within that month, I release it then. And then the new moons, I always make new manifestations. I'd like to have for that month. And I find just doing that actually calms me down because the old me was like, I need to do this. I need to do that. Whereas if I have just a small list of things that I want to do for the month, it works out better. Monica: Well, I love, I was starting to mark down some of the feminine values that I feel you're, you know, talking about. And so what I heard you say is. Nourishment space, Rast, grounding, nature, ceremony, reflection, introspection, gratitude, presence, support, right? Asking for support, which I also see as relational women. Like the feminine is very relational. It's very like we get to lean in. To others when we need help, we get to ask for support. And there's the receiving is like, we get to receive, we don't always have to be the givers and the givers, you know, not to hyper kind of qualify these energies. But, you know, I see, I see giving as a, as a masculine energy, even though women do it, we, we do it. It we're natural givers, but I actually, as you know, we embody both energies, but there's a way that that gets overtaxed and then we're not in the receiving of it. And so it just depletes the crap out of us. Right. I'm like, I have so many explicit episodes lately. I'm like, yeah, swear or not, but it's, there's nothing wrong with that. I just laugh at myself because every time an expletive wants to come out of my mouth lately, I'm like, okay. And then you're going to mark this one explicit again, you know, it's just funny. So in just practicing, practicing restraint. So I love that. Yeah. It's like, it's how, and it's also kind of like gradual gentle, right? You had also used that word gentle. And then yeah, just like not being so hard on ourselves though. The grind, the grind, the constant grind, it's like, oh my goodness. It was so exhausting. It was so exhausting. Gurds: Sorry. I was gonna say, I think that comes from, uh, upbringings, the world that we live in. It's a very man male orientated world. You know, we have to have like men behave like men, then, you know, I was told that from a young age, you want to be a journalist. You need to be very strong. You need to be like this and that. Why blocks my sensitivity? So I see every time I had a health problem, it was that my feminine energy was crying for help, but I didn't know she needed her. Until the kidney thing happened. And I was like, oh, now I get it. She just wants to play. She wants to just speak free. She doesn't want obligations. He just wants to dance and sing and do whatever the hell she wants. Exactly. And rest and relax, nourish. And so I allowed her to play. And when I allowed her to play, I was able to balance the masculine side easily because I realized that I'd forgotten about her for so long. Yep. Monica: I can relate to that. And it's, it's a wonderful thing too. Have that kind of inner harmony and to start recognizing, because there, there has been a point in the last couple of years where I've gotten so present to seeing it what's missing. And usually it's my body that will tell me first. Right. Because I'm exhausted or whatever the thing is, right. Or tense or, uh, it's like the body is constantly the wisdom for kind of, oh, what, what, what is needed in this moment? What am I missing? How am I doing the old pattern and needing to come back into balance, come back into harmony with the way that I've learned now to operate. To my highest health and to the highest good of others that it really does. It's like the better I can take care of myself, the more I can serve others. Gurds: Exactly. That's the healing. Monica: And it's also the opposite of what we were taught and Gurds: Especially the women. That's what we've been, we've been taught to serve, serve, serve. Don't say no, be a good girl. Put on a good show and putting on that good show is what actually damages us. And we're not able to show up for ourselves or speak up for ourselves. So I think doing the inner work and, you know, allowing your feminine side to come up, gives her the voice to speak her truth. You know, that's been, and again, that links to what we were talking earlier on about the whole abortion thing. Women have been. It's been suppressed down in us for so long now we're ready to Rory out. And I think that's the feminine saying, let's come out now. Let's speak our truth. Let's change the system. Monica: Yes. Yes. Let's change the system. And so your work. You know, really focused on M paths. And I see why, because, you know, as an empath yourself, it is really, really important. I think, I think that's true about me as well. I think different, different people relate to different words. And so how do you describe empath so that we can kind of, for our listeners kind of, I would imagine many, many of my listeners are also empath, but I don't want to assume that, you know, we're talking about the same thing. So would you mind just kind of giving us your understanding of what an empath is? Gurds: Sure. It's somebody who feels the pain of others, they can feel the pain and animals, humans. They can, they're the type of the person that goes into a supermarket and somebody will tell their life problems to them without their permission. People feel so connected to them. They will share everything and anything to them, but again, not asking their permission if they can dump on them. Um, They are sensitive to sound emotions. Gosh, it's like they can walk into a room. Yeah. They can walk into a room and feel like if it's safe or if there's something else happening or maybe if they don't know they're an empath, they just suddenly feel anxious and they don't know why. Right. Or like they can sense the tension in the room before they've even set. Somebody said anything. They're like, oh, there's so much going on here. You get really tired being around a lot of people. So you tend to meet to kind of go into your own space and have me time. Um, people tend to lash out at you for no reason. Like they just think they can just say whatever they want and you just take it. But I also. You're very in tune with yourself. You basically, you have a call it like a lie detector in your body. So, you know, when someone's bullshitting and you will see how far they take it to see if that's like, is that if that's how they're going to be, then why do I want to be around someone like that? So, and perhaps a very in-tune people, but the world has taught them to toughen up. So they, they hide their persona. By putting on this kind of strong energy, but inside they're very gentle souls who, who care for everybody and will do anything for anybody. Even if that person's harming them, they'll still help them because they don't know boundaries. They don't know how to say no, they don't know how to say yes to themselves. Yeah. Monica: Yeah. Yes. I am an empath, you know, and I have learned, you know, I'm just thinking of when I was a child, I could literally pick up on the slightest thing that was out of place emotionally. You know, I could always, I knew that while I didn't necessarily know what the secrets were. I knew I lived in a house full of secrets and that nobody wanted to tell them and that they were, and maybe, you know, for me, that's, that's a big part of my revelation project. Like revealing the things that were hidden from me that I knew were there, but I couldn't prove it. I could just feel. You know, Gurds: Even, yeah, you're right. Even as a child, you you're picking up energy. You can sense when somebody is lying to you, you know, when secrets are being kept from you, it can be quite hard for, and perhaps, because they're thinking, well, I'm being honest. Why can't you be honest? Yeah. You know, we point where our heart on our sleeves and we want the best. Monica: We can be very transparent, Gurds: but if somebody hurts us, then yeah. That's not a side you want to see. Monica: Well, and that, that gets really, really problematic when you are continually being drained by those around, you don't know how to create healthy boundaries and care for yourself. So what is your, do you have certain programs or methods, or is it through coaching that you help others to kind of establish first of all, a deeper understanding of who they are and how. They can really care for themselves and then maybe help them to see where the work that they're doing or a job or the family where they might need some extra support or where they might not recognize they need boundaries. Like, again, I'm making this up, but you tell me, Gurds: I understand what you're saying. Um, yeah, so I have two programs. The first one is trust and delight, which is an eight week. I say eight weeks, but sometimes it ends up being eight months. It really depends on the client and where their journey is and how, how long they want it to be. But I believe it's all about self-awareness in the beginning. Like I, you can't have boundaries without having self-awareness or forgiveness because you're always going to fall back into the trap. So the way I work is we look at what patterns are holding you back. So like, we look at ancestral cultural society, familial. We even look at work trauma, you know, everything is linked. And then once we look at that, we work on forgiveness because. Again, the forgiveness is not for them. It's for you. Yeah. You know, the pain that you have for how someone's treated you. I can't them to clear that. Then we work again on the awareness and then we were combat Andries because when you have that awareness, boundaries are easy and you can speak your truth quicker. If you don't do the inner work. And you're trying to put boundaries, you're always going to feel like, oh, should I, or should I not? But when you've done that in a work, you're like, no, I want to be peaceful. I want to want to be happy. So I'm doing this. So to tell somebody that, Hey, you can't take them. It can't me anymore. So again, this is based on my own journey and what I've seen and how I kind of did it. And obviously it taught me a lot longer than eight weeks. It took me like, God, we're talking over seven years plus to see all these things and patterns, but I spotted it within women. And how he sends to women, we all have this kind of like similarity where. We want to hold boundaries. We just don't know how to do it. We want to say something, but we're so afraid we care what other people think. So I, I noticed that when we actually look at our patterns and we forgive and we have that awareness, then we go, right. I need to hold a boundary here. But before we be like, I don't know what's going on with me, why they're doing this to me. But when you have the you've done that work and the awareness. Right. This one is taking advantage of me, right? I'm going to speak my truth and put my boundary down. Whether they like it or not, I'm going to do it. And so that's kind of how I work and it's not just, there was so much we do in that, by the way Bailey program meets, we look at your life purpose. Like, again, I feel like once you do the inner work, it's easy to find your life purpose. But we also look at other parts of like, again, the masculine and the feminine understanding that, you know, what does it look like for you? And then I have a VIP day, which is rise up sister, and that is just a day full of healing. It's actually a five hour session it's called Monica: Intensive, but very, very powerful. Yeah, Gurds: Very powerful shifts. And again, we look at the patterns in your life, what needs to be cleared and why, why you feel like you can't move forward. And honestly, again, I, you know, I've done this so many times on myself, but like watching my clients go through the shift, I always say this I'm like, I should have taken a photo before and after, because that energy, like you said earlier, we were talking about human design, that energy just illuminates at the end of. That's decades of pain that they've had, but also not just as the ancestors cleared in the five hours. Sometimes to be honest, we've gone over to seven hours, but again, it depends on each client, but it's so powerful, just clearing the cobwebs and actually allowing themselves to come back home to themselves. I see trauma is keeping us out of aligned with ourselves and who we are. It's, it's very powerful. Like either one is very powerful, but I know that from experience that they work and just through helping other women do the same, you just, again, I start to see patterns. Yes. Monica: That's where your genius comes in, for sure. Yeah. So, and Gurtz do you do the intensive one-on-one like in person, do you do it digitally? Gurds: I have a lot of clients in America, I guess. I think maybe it's my accent. A lot of my clients come from America. Canada Monica: love listening to accents. We do. We're like, say more, say more. Yeah, Gurds: I had this done. I actually worked in Canada for a bit, as long as I get it. There's something about the British accent that Americans and Canadians blood. I don't know what it is. Monica: I don't know either. I don't know. It's just the way, you know, it's just the different expression. Somebody said jumper the other day. And I was just like, I love that. Or Pictionary. It just sounds so elegant sometimes, you know, it's like, yeah, it has a certain elegant. Gurds: So say jumper. Monica: Yeah. We don't even say jumper. Gurds: Oh, what'd he say? Monica: Oh sweater. And it's so funny because you're like, oh, sweater clever in an American accent. But yeah, like isn't a jumper, a sweater, a woolie, like, yeah. So it's so funny. Cause we, we would call a jumper, something you would put on a little kid on a baby or put them in like a jumper Gurds: or like a jumps, we would say jumpsuit. Oh, Monica: that's so funny. Yeah. Yeah. So there's all these like I just, well I'm always like, oh, say more, say more. What does that mean? You know, uh, and same way you said consultant. I'm like, what does that mean? So it's, it's, it's fun because it's like learning another language, but not with, you know, like for me, languages were always difficult. At least we're speaking the same language. It's just got different meanings for different things and accents. I love it. So here's my next question. And perhaps my, my last question of our interview today, which I have loved. Thank you. My last question is what's your most recent big revelation that you've had? Gurds: Oh, Hmm. That I'm powerful than I realize. And that whatever life throws at me, I can handle it. And there's a reason why the divine power has given me the roles in my life. 'cause when I look back at my life here, I was this disempowered, young Indian girl who was always taught to people please, and be a good girl and sacrifice. And here I am doing the opposite and it pisses people off within my culture and my language, but I fucking love it because I'm in my truth. And when you're in your truth, people are afraid of that. But what it's taught me is that there's so many other women like me out there who are not in their truth. And that's what my role is here to do in this world is to help awaken that in a light, hence the inner light project, my podcast, because we all have a light within. And if I don't do it for myself, How would these other women going to know, you know, I'm here with the torch, with the light, like the lines of you were saying, and I wouldn't ever give that up. All the experiences, all the pain, all the heart ache, everything I've gone through. Even the hardships, they're there for a reason to make me who I am. And you know, I'm only in my mid thirties and I think bloody hell, what the hell have I done a lot of work for such a young person, but I know that this is not just this life's work. I've clearly been doing this in other lifetimes. And now more than ever, I have this space to be more empowered than maybe the other lifetimes that I had. So I've got to just do what I've got to do, whether it's painful or not. I have to do it. And I know the more I do it, it lightens up other women who I've worked with people around me to just show them that you can shine so brightly and be unapologetic. And we don't have to what's the word, push ourselves down to make. The world likers, we can be ourselves and be free and just speak our truth. And it doesn't like it. Fuck it. The fuck it. Monica: Exactly. Yeah. I love that. Thank you. And did that revelation kind of come? That sounds like one of those revelations that's like happens when you take a moment and just like witness yourself, you know, and it's like, I've come a long way. Like, wow. Like it's one of those, right. Where you just, it just kinda hits you in that moment. Like, wow. Look at who I've become. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Gurds: I think so I was working on a book proposal a few months back and I think that brought up a lot is then like, I didn't realize how much I'd done and it made me also realize like, why it's so important for women to heal deeply, because like you said, there were less, there's not a lot of stories about us healing. There's not a lot of stories about hers, like fighting back and you know, why do we have to keep fighting? Again, it's because we've had decades, thousands of, years of profession and we're rising up. And so for me, the book proposal made me realize there is still more work to do, but you know, at least we're doing the work Monica: That's right. Yeah. So good. Well, I love that. And if you have a URL or you want to tell our listeners where to follow you, or if anything like that, please share with us where they can go and learn more about you. Gurds: Sure it gurds huddle. So G U R the S H U N D a l.com. You can find me on Instagram at, I am gurds you can find me on Twitter. iamgurds, Facebook. iamgurds. You can find me on apple podcast, Spotify, uh, in a light project, um, which is my podcast. Um, You committed, if you just type in my name, go tumble into Google, there is literally a ton of stuff. So just find me connect, let's talk. And if I can help, just let me know. Or if there's anything you'd like to collaborate on, I'm here as well. Monica: Well, then I love that you have the name that you have, which is very unique. It's not like there's like Carrie Jones, right? Like there's, you know, you're an original, I love that, you know, and people can Google you and, you know, learn more for sure. And I am Gurds is where most of your hand your handles are. And that's so funny that that's your last name. Okay. And so I've loved this conversation. I'm so, so glad I I've had you today for this amount of time. Gurds: I was just going to say like my name. So Gurds is actually my nickname. So my actual first name is Gurdie. However, again, it's amazing what the universe does. Like our name has power. So my name actually means darkness out of light, helping people out of the darkness, into their own, by a teacher, a lot lighter of them, light leader of the lamp. Monica: And I'm like chills right now. Gurds: Yeah. It's my middle name. I'll explain it all. Cause it's crazy. And like you guys out there check out your name because it will always give you messages what you're here to do. So my middle name is call, which means princess and hundal means warrior. So I'm here to help women out of the darkness and be. A warrior. So I'm not surprised that I'm doing this work because it's in my name and I've always fought for injustice. It's in my DNA. I can't change that. And I love, that's what I love. And I'm sure your name is the same. Like I'd love to know what Monica means, because I think that, Monica: I think I know, hold on. I'm going to look really quick, but I believe that it means some version of like advisor. So hold on. Monica name, meaning. Uh, solitary or to advise solitary or to advise Monica is a girl's name, possibly Greek origin, meaning solitary or a Latin origin, meaning to advise. So interesting. And let's see if there's anything else here. Yeah. I love that. That means advisor, true and truth. So, yeah. And that's a big, you know, I always in, in my, uh, podcast, Intro I say, disrupting the trance of unworthiness and here to reveal the truth of who we are. So, oh, there we go. Yeah, I know. It's like it's the Oracle of the obvious it's always right in front of us hidden in plain sight. So yes, I'll be sure to put all of girds links in the show notes and until next time more to be revealed, we hope you enjoyed this episode. For more information, please visit us@jointherevelation.com and be sure to download our free gift subscribed to our mailing list or leave us a review on iTunes. 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