71 Nina Manoslon Nina: There, there is so much here and the goddess comes also in many sizes, sometimes not curvy voluptuous, sometimes very. Petite sometimes very large and round, sometimes very muscular and, you know, built like a brick. The goddess can show up. As she is. And the piece that we're bumping up against that our culture says, Oh no, you only have power and agency and beauty, if you fit, ah, Into this particular box, whatever the box is of the era, right? INTRO MUSIC Monica: [00:00:00] Hello everyone. And welcome to another edition of the revelation project podcast today. I'm with Nina Manoslon. Nina is a body peace coach. She helps women end the war with food. And body and finally feel truly at home in themselves, in their body, really at home, the kind of at home where you can run around naked and not worry about what is good enough or what others will think. The kind of good that allows you to feel ultimate freedom and body peace. Nina is also a certified psychology of eating teacher. Uh, nationally board certified holistic health coach and a certified body trust guide. She helps her clients move past the deprivation diet paradigm and into a compassionate and powerful way of eating and living, which creates deep, long lasting change. In and with their bodies, Nina works with individuals, groups and writes body poems, all in service of helping women create a respectful and nourishing relationship with their body. Hi Nina. Nina: [00:01:49] Hi Monica. Thank you so much for having me. Monica: [00:01:53] Oh, I'm so glad you're here. And I always think, you know, there really are no accidents because I have a dear friend and she called me yesterday and she's having this incredible awakening around kind of the, what I would call the trance of the diet world, you know, and just, she's really struggled. I think, too. Not only feel at home in her body, but I would say also at home in the world, in a world that feels uninhabitable when it is completely striving towards this. What I will call like this fake ideal of what real women should look like. Nina: [00:02:38] Yes, yes, yes. That ideal. Right? The beauty ideal, the size ideal that it shows up in our culture really as fatphobia and weight stigma. Right. There's a way that we're actually not treated as well. When we live in a larger body, there's a way that we're not welcomed. Cheers are not made available. That fits people in larger bodies. Right. So it's not, it's so important when we start to, and I love how you said that come out of the diet trance and the beauty ideal trance it's so important for us to see that it's not just. Oh, what's wrong with me. Let me do this deep inner work, which of course is important. We want to heal our relationship with our food and body, but it exists within a culture, a patriarchy, a societal money-making machine that benefits off of our body shame. I there's a 72 billion with a B billion dollar industry, the diet industry that says here, you feel bad about yourself here. We'll fix it for you. We got a diet for you. We've got a new thing for you, right? So to really come to that place of ending the war with our food and body and creating body peace. It's an inside job. And, uh, how do we relate to the outside job? The outside conversation, the outside. Paradigm that beauty only looks a certain way, except accessibility only looks a certain way. We're only loved if we come in a certain size package and that is painful, but so important for us to unpack and divest from that diet culture. To reclaim ourselves Monica: [00:04:31] To reclaim ourselves well, and the other thing that really came up, just like you're saying is that she was sharing with me. Like, it's one thing to do this work inside myself. And it's another thing to go out and keep bumping into it in the world. And of course, ironically, there are no accidents she's in the beauty industry. So it's so in her face, Nina: [00:04:51] Yes. Monica: [00:04:52] And I say in her face, like it's in all of our faces. Nina: [00:04:55] Yes. Monica: [00:04:57] And there's a way that even for that, none of us escape it, even if you are somehow with the ideal size, which as if you can see me, like I'm doing the air quotes, the ideal size. Yeah. Because actually the truth is that isn't the true ideal size, a 16 or an 18 for women, Nina: [00:05:20] There is no, there's no ideal size. Ah, that's the thing. There is no ideal size to let that go completely. That idea that there is one size that is better than another. Monica: [00:05:34] I think when I said ideal size, what I mean is that there? I think one of the, one of the truths that she uncovered was that. In the real world in the fashion world, that the ideal size that they fit women in is actually a much bigger size than what they're selling us. That the goddess right is curvy and voluptuous. And that it's a sign of nourishment. There's just such a, there's so much here. Nina: [00:06:00] There, there is so much here and the goddess comes also in many sizes, sometimes not curvy voluptuous, sometimes very. Petite sometimes very large and round, sometimes very muscular and, you know, built like a brick. The goddess can show up. As she is. And the piece that we're bumping up against that our culture says, Oh no, you only have power and agency and beauty, if you fit, ah, Into this particular box, whatever the box is of the era, right? We can all remember back to different times. The fifties, super curvy, the twenties, super to a geek, the 18 hundreds, super cinched waist, right? There's always some ideal, some box you're supposed to fit into. And if we can claim our own brand of beauty, If we can claim our own, this is so important, our own relationship with our body. Then we reclaim that power, that agency, that sense of, of life force and energy and reclaim that so that we can do what we're supposed to do in this world. Give the gifts. They give the world the gifts that we have instead of being obsessed with, Oh gosh, do I fit into that particular box of, you know, I dunno low-rise jeans or super, you know, curvy, corseted clothing or whatever the. Particular style or beauty ideal that's being sold is currently and here Monica: [00:07:47] Here- lies body peace. Nina: [00:07:49] Yes. Yes, absolutely. Because all of that, that trying, trying, striving, hustling to fit into that beauty box. Ideal is a war. It's a war that we're having with ourselves every day. When we get dressed in the morning, when we look in the mirror, when we see ourselves aging, when we eat breakfast and then, Oh, I shouldn't have eaten that. And then, Oh, maybe I'll eat some, just a salad for lunch. Oh no, but now I'm so hungry and now I nibbled and Oh my God, like that whole conversation is a war and it's so painful and we deserve better. We deserve body peace. We deserve to feel at home in our own skin in a way that feels like, Oh, yay. I get to live here. I get to be in this body as she is, as she is. Not as a DIY project, Monica: [00:08:50] Nothing to fix Nina: [00:08:52] Not a thing to fix, right. As, uh, a wonderful colleague, brilliant in many ways. But when she was talking to me about her approach to working with women, she said, well, I help women manage their body, like their bodies, a project. Um, Like a work project. And I was like, Oh gosh, I could feel like the, the terrible tingling in the back of my neck, please don't manage my body, the culture, diet culture, the medical system, the patriarchy. Everybody's tried to manage my body or tell me how to manage my body. We don't want to be in my body, in body management anymore. We need to shift out of body management and move towards the body peace because that's where the juiciness lasts. There's Monica: [00:09:35] so much permission there. Nina: [00:09:38] Yes, there's so much permission. But inside that permission is wisdom inside that. Body peace is trusting our body listening deeply for the wisdom. What does she say? What does she want? What kind of food works for her? What kind of food doesn't work for her? What kind of movement makes her feel joyful and happy and want her to do more? And what kind of movement makes her feel like she's being tortured and makes her feel like, Oh gosh, I'd never want to do that again. That's a big chore. So when we come into that relationship of body piece, we. Come into relationship with the incredible wealth of wisdom that our body holds. Monica: [00:10:20] What I, I love about this conversation. There's so many things, but the process of making peace with your body also really requires us to feel again. Nina: [00:10:37] Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. We want to feel, and in that to get to that place of feeling, right, we have to be embodied listening. We don't just know cut out. I know what to feel. I know how to feel that feeling. When we, when someone says, how do you feel? And you authentically answered. There's a moment where we go, huh? And we tune towards ourselves. We tune in, we attune that is body listening and that's something we were actually trained right out of Monica: [00:11:15] That's right Nina: [00:11:16] early on, we were trained out of the deep body listening we're trained into what does someone else think? What does someone else feel? What what's more acceptable. The example I always use when I've worked with nurses, I'm like, when do you need to patients? They're like, I have no idea. I'm so used to holding my pee for hours as I work that I honestly don't even feel it when I have to pee. I'm like, okay, let's come down to the most basic of body listening and honor it. Oh, I need to pee. Okay. Let me actually go right now. Not wait. No, I gotta do five more things. Then I'll go pee. No, I got pee. Let me go pee. And that's actually very powerful, basic body listening practice. To say my body saying something and now I respond to her. Monica: [00:12:08] Oh my God. It's so true. Right. About the peeing thing. We hold it, we hold it all. We hold our breath. We hold our pee. We hold our tummies in. We hold, we hold it all. Nina: [00:12:20] Yes. That holding is exhausting. Monica: [00:12:24] It's so exhausting. Nina: [00:12:26] When I speak to women, when clients come to me, they're like, you know, I'm just so tired. I'm so tired of being on the diet roller coaster. I'm so tired of feeling bad about myself. I'm so tired of the critical voice in my head all the time. It's exhausting. It is frankly, a waste of our energy. If we can reclaim that energy. Of like, Oh, being in this constant holding, then we can again do what our hearts desires be as powerful as we're supposed to be shine the way we are meant to shine. Monica: [00:13:09] Nina. When do you think this, this whole body relationship, you know, like the dis-ease I'll call it of our bodies begins. Nina: [00:13:21] Gosh, it's so interesting. When I ask women in my workshops, how long have you been dieting? How many years? And I tend to work with women who are over 40 often. Women say I've been dieting 20 years, 30 years, 40 years. So a lot of this disconnect from the wisdom of our body and the starting of dieting happens before 10 years old for many. Women for many girls, right? The messages from the media and now social media for our kids is brutal on their relationship with their body. And so what we're looking at when you ask such a powerful question, when does this start? You're asking the question. When does this authentic relationship that you have with your body and your food get interrupted? When was it interrupted? And it happens. At different times for different people. Some people, it was interrupted right away as a baby, because I was put on a feeding schedule that was very restrictive and very controlled. And so right away, I start, I learned that being hungry was scary. That my, my, my hunger would not be addressed. Right. That happens babyhood for some people, you know, I was five years old and I was all around and everybody went, Oh, she's such a chubby little kid. You should put her on a diet right away. That relationship of delight and fun and rowing in a five-year-old is interrupted with your body should be different. Right later. Right when I was nine, my mom was going on a diet and I was like, well, I don't know. I want to be like, my mom, I'll go with you. We went to weight Watchers together. My relationship with my body was interrupted at nine years old because WeightWatchers was telling me what to eat and how to eat at nine years old. Monica: [00:15:20] Yeah. It's so interesting. I'm re I'm having a memory just as you're speaking of a similar thing. Like when my mom started to get it, it almost looked like freeze dried food in these. Like she would come back home with a box and she would have gotten weighed and she had rations, rations food. I mean, it's insane. It's frigging insane. Nina: [00:15:43] It is. It is. It is when we look at it and start to pull it apart, right. And shine a light on rations and deprivation. Like, what are we, what are we Monica: [00:16:00] we're being in prison? Like we're getting, we're putting ourselves in a prison and we're getting rations. Nina: [00:16:07] Yes. Yes. And we are, that is the truth. So well said we are imprisoned in our own body. Our body should not feel like a prison. Eating food should not feel like walking through a field of landmines. No, it should feel like our body is a sacred place to live. Our body is a delightful, pleasurable, joyful place to live. And food is. A realm of nourishment, of creativity, of excitement, of deep pleasure, and that relationship between this place that we live. And this thing that nourishes us is one that works in harmony. Not one that we're like, Ugh, I do it right. Oh my gosh. Maybe I shouldn't, what should I, what diet should I go tomorrow? Well, everybody's into keto. Maybe they'll do keto, right? Like, uh, Exhausting Monica: [00:17:05] Exhausting. Well, okay, so you, you just kind of brought up some, the magic words for me, what you just pointed to was these, what I call feminine energies that first of all, as women built for pleasure and then, you know, you said creativity and there's this way that. When we restrict ourselves when we're rationing, when we're starving ourselves and we're not allowing, and we're not, it's like, it's that complete shutdown of the feminine. And when I look at what the world needs, the most of and what we need, the most of men and women, it's more of the feminine and there's this way that I think pleasure and food. Our, so are like really important dance partners that nourishing that, that nourishment of our pleasure, that, that feeding that, that way, that we really. Fulfill ourselves, fill ourselves. It's been made to be a bad thing. Nina: [00:18:21] Right, right. To feel full is made to be a bad thing. Right. Often when people, um, when I'm working with women and they're like, yeah, but I feel full. And then that feeling of fullness makes me feel shame. I'm like you ate eating is actually a life affirming event. You want to be alive. You are nourishing yourself, you are giving yourself life. Right. And for us to embrace that, Monica: [00:18:50] I, I literally have to tell you that I feel grief appear in my, like right at the base of my throat right now as you're talking. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a grief. Yeah. I could bet that a woman would. Feel shame, you know, and I know, I know that feeling because like we've all felt it. Nina: [00:19:12] Yes. Monica: [00:19:13] We've all felt bad shame when we feel full. Like, and it's like this it's such a, it's such a tragedy. Nina: [00:19:22] Yes, it's a true tragedy. It's a travesty it's, it's truly a divorce of incredible power. Our culture has divorced itself from the power of women by trying by not trying, but actually quite effectively controlling women to disengage age from their body. Monica: [00:19:48] Yes, we have made the body. Uninhabitable emotionally uninhabitable. Nina: [00:19:56] Yeah, because it's hard when we're experiencing shame. Right. This is something Bernay Brown talks about when we're experiencing shame, shame, thrives in darkness. And so women have this incredible shame about their body. There's this sense of, I don't want to tell anybody what I ate. I've been sneaky eating. I've been doing late night bingeing. I don't want to show anybody my body. I'm going to, you know, hide in the back of the pictures. Right? All this shame. And what we really need to heal that shame is the come out into the light to reclaim our feminine power, to reclaim our bodies, which is this incredible sacred vessel. Of our power and to speak up and be like, yes, here's my body. This is what I'm feeling. It's part of why I do a lot of the work that I do in groups of women, because when we can heal our shame and be seen right, then we can claim. Then we can say yes, I choose my own agency, my own power, my own sensuality, my own creativity, my own feminine power. When I choose my desire, my hunger, my food, my, when I want to eat how I want to eat. When we say yes to eating instead of, Oh no, I should never eat. I should eat less. And that gets scary for women. What say yes to eating. Give myself permission to eat. It's so contrary to what we've been raised with and it brings up a fear of, if I say yes to eating then, Oh my gosh, I will just eat for decades. And I will be as large as a house and I will never stop. And I can't trust my body. That's the work of body piece, right? How do we get to that place where we can trust that we can give ourselves what we truly need and desire. And that will know what's the right food. What's the right thing. When's the right time to start eating. When's the right time to stop eating. When am I full? When am I hungry? Really being in that place of conversation, authentic conversation Monica: [00:22:19] Authentic conversation. And I, I want to, you know, also really invite our listeners here as we're talking to really understand too, that. This there's a lot to unpack, right? When you start flipping the script on this conversation. Um, so what I, what I want to point to here is that this is, this becomes, this gets to be a process and it gets to take. As long as it needs to take, because it ha it really is a practice. Like when we think of how long we've been conditioned to be at war with ourselves and with our body, what comes up as you just noticed, of course, just even talking about it is a lot of grief. Nina: [00:23:00] Yeah. Monica: [00:23:00] And so there's also this gentleness and what Nina's pointing to also is this self approval, this continual self approval, as you're. Affirming yourself for everything that you feel and are needing to think to disentangle all of this, to, to unbecome from the way society has kind of conditioned us to be at war with our body. And I want to say, it's not your fault. Nina: [00:23:29] Yes. Monica: [00:23:30] It's not your fault. Nina: [00:23:32] So important. Monica: [00:23:34] And I also want to say that once we know, once we kind of get this piece, then it becomes just a way to gently kind of start to reacquaint yourself. Nina: [00:23:49] Yeah. Monica: [00:23:50] In a gentle way, way, because, because Nina, what comes up for a lot of women when they start going through this piece, is this. This realization of how hard on themselves and how actually abusive they have been to themselves. And there's a whole nother layer there that is really hard to confront. Nina: [00:24:10] Yeah, I want to go back to one thing is, um, before we continue though, is this idea of being a process, um, this incredible process of reclaiming our relationship with our food and body. And it's so important that you underline that because we're taught that it's not. We're taught that it's a quick fix, lose seven pounds in seven days. Do this 21 day intensive. Do this, do that, like all of the quick fixes condition us that we can just snap out of this dream. We can snap out of this diet culture. But it is absolutely a practice. That's why I call it. The body piece work is body piece practice because we're so pushed to get through any issue with ourselves. Turn it around. But that's not what it takes. It takes patience. It takes self compassion. It takes support. And it's so worth it. Because especially when I hear those women say I've been on a diet for 30 years. I'm like, that's some serious conditioning, but it can change. We can feel good. Yeah. In our body. Monica: [00:25:34] Nina, why did you use the word dream? Nina: [00:25:37] Because it is, it's not real. Our culture has told us this, these grams, you have to pay attention to the grams and the calories and the BMI. And even, like I say, it's like a dream. Like it's a fantasy, like the way you won't use the word trans, but it's also, literally not real. There is science that says that the BMI, the body mass index is actually. An inaccurate and useless way of measuring people. It was not created for us, for women. It was created for insurance purposes, and then it was used at us to make us feel bad. There's so much sort of false science in the land of calories and grams that literally it's not real. It's not just not real because we need to snap out of the trans it's not real because calories in and calories in calories out. The idea of, if you just. Eat less calories than you expand. You will lose weight that that's not real either. There's so many other factors that go into why we are the size that we are. It could be hormonal shifts. It could be. Physical medical issues going on, it could be just straight up biology. This is the way your body is meant to be. But when we're beating ourselves up with, Oh, well, if I could just eat less than I expend in terms of calories, then I'll lose weight. It's not real. It is a dream. The reality is. I am living in this body. This body is my home for the rest of my life. And I get to inform, choose, create the kind of relationship I have with this home. And I can choose a relationship that is positive. That is supportive. That is peaceful. That is loving. That is compassionate. And that makes. Living in a body fund Monica: [00:27:58] and Nina and I chose a card before we started. And the card that we chose was the dream Walker. And we got a challenge and the challenge I've never read the card, but I met a read it with your permission, Nina, because I think I'm, I'm now I'm realizing that spirit wanted us. To D you know, that there was a challenge here also for everyone. And the challenge in the card was this, the dream Walker challenges you to wake up from your restless sleep in which you're not dreaming at all. This is the time to remind yourself of your passions. And pleasures and aspirations you may have left behind, perhaps you should reconsider and allow yourself your precious dreams. Again, don't give up. There's always a way they can return to you. As long as you don't try to dictate the forms. They take another way. The dream Walker challenges you is when you're in the middle of a nightmare, brought onto you by others, wake up and don't struggle for, she reminds you that the divine will lead you out of this bad dream into a much better one. This too shall pass. Be mindful that you have a unique and special purpose. You're always actively influencing your reality through your thoughts and reactions to life's challenges. Nina: [00:29:23] So powerful, so powerful. And when you were reading that, I thought about the dream that we're sold, right. We're have to wake up from that dream. And, uh, with your permission, I would love to read one of my body poems. That's speaks to this dream of. The diet. I would love that. So this, so I write body poems and I write them because I feel like we need a new way of, we need a way, not even a new way. We need a way of talking about our relationship with our food and body. That's different that isn't diet based that isn't about management. That's about relationship. So my body poems are often about the different relationships we have with our body. And this one is called the diet promise. She whispered in my ear, all your dreams will come true. If you're thin. She promised love power, wealth privilege, sexiness. If I could just stick to her rules, if I could simply stop eating tame, my hunger, squelched, my desire. Turn away from pleasure and follow the rules she promised she would take care of me. Every time. I read a magazine, watched a movie, tried on clothing. I heard her controlling whispers. She infiltrated my life and not only mine, my friends and I would confide in each other about the latest promise we had made to her, our diet. And to ourselves when I planned a trip, sinister diet voice would swear to me and sometimes swear at me, the more fun, the more fun could be had if only I started my diet now, but she lied, died, never took me to the land that she promised her directions only took me to my own hell of self doubt of self, hate of deep shame of my own skin. But there's only so long, I'm willing to be seduced by her. Now, when I hear her whisper dropped seven pounds in seven days, I hear the real message. I hear our culture, keeping women small in all ways to mute our power. I hear you are not enough as you are. And I know that isn't true. The truth is our power. Strength and authentic beauty come from listening to our own wisdom, the wisdom that lives in the whispers of our body. The tell us what we need, what we feel, who we truly are. These are whispers. We can Trust Monica: [00:32:16] Tears again. You know, that is so beautiful. But in what you pointed to there was this piece that I think is so it's all so provocative and powerful, but the piece I want to point to here is the part about. Being sold that dream and the culture and how the culture benefits from keeping women small and from telling us that our hunger is less than Holy. Nina: [00:32:46] Yes, yes, Monica: [00:32:48] Because our, our hunger is what. Is so attached to our desires, to our passions. Yes. When we hunger, when we think about it, even just, I'm going to juxtapose this for a minute about all of the people in the world that go hungry. Nina: [00:33:04] Yes. Monica: [00:33:06] And where I want you to look at is you, you know, like, yeah. We can look out there at all the hunger and we're trying to solve world hunger. I mean, that feels so ironic to me right now. because what we have to solve is, or not solve is our own hunger is as allow for our own hunger to, to awaken within us again, and to be as big as it needs to be. Nina: [00:33:33] Yeah. What you're speaking to is so important too. Instead of like, Oh my hunger, I don't want to be hungry. I shouldn't be hungry. I can't believe I'm hungry. I shouldn't have a craving and we move that whole powerful ball of desire away from us. Let's move it towards us. Let's actually reach out and bring our desire towards us and bring our hunger close and go, what am I truly hungry for? What am I hungry for? And look at the deeper, the deeper levels of hunger, of desire of. Whether it's, you know, I'm hungry for a chocolate chip cookie. Great. Okay. What is it? What do you want about that? Well, you know what? I just want the chewy and I want the sweet and great. Let's get a chocolate chip cookie. Okay. What, what else is, are you hungry for? I'm hungry to feel like a little kid. Who's on a break who gets milk and cookies at the end of the day. Great. Let's give you that hunger. What else are you hungry for? I'm hungry for a little sweetness in my life. Great. Let's get that too. Let's look deeper and deeper into each hunger. So that we can nourish ourselves. Monica: [00:34:48] I mean, God forbid, goddess forbid we indulge ourselves. Right, right. Like there's there, it is again, that full permission to just, yes. Get stopped withholding from yourself to actually that and what I'm hearing, which is so beautiful is that I always talk about these, all of these aspects of ourselves that are hungering. It's like, we're never just working with. One hunger. We have kind of kept ourselves from. Just feeling our own hunger in all of these ways. And so I'm sure that when we start allowing them, we're going to find that we're insatiable in some ways, you know, Nina: [00:35:30] There is some of that, right? Oh my gosh, I am so hungry. And that fear comes up. There's so many ways to explore this, but one is the fear comes up like, Oh my gosh. If I, if I really allow myself to be hungry again, there's that fear I will. Eat forever, but it's also so interesting to look at those deeper hungers. Um, this morning I was, uh, on a call with a client and we literally just made a list of all the things cause she felt like she had really struggled. She'd come to me. A year into the pandemic and was feeling like it was really hard for her during the pandemic. It was really hard for her and the way she coped was food, she is not alone in that. All of us did, many of us did a really great job of taking care of ourselves, soothing ourselves, entertaining ourselves with food during the pandemic. And now we're blaming ourselves for that. Right. We're actually, it was a really phenomenal coping mechanism. a survival mechanism. But what we started to do was let's look at all the hungers, all the hungers that were there for you, that couldn't get met, social hunger, entertainment, hunger, engagement, hunger, you know, nature, hunger. There was so many hungers and desires that were, that we have been really doing without this year. That it makes sense that food would start to be a stand-in for many of them. And again, there's no shame in that that's survival. So important to look at our unwanted behaviors around food, whether it's bingeing or nibbling all day or sweet cravings or whatever it is as a doorway. Into a deeper knowing of ourselves as a, as a doorway into the healing, that's available a doorway into what's important to us, Monica: [00:37:32] A doorway into revelation. Nina: [00:37:34] Absolutely. Monica: [00:37:37] It's so interesting Nina, right? Because there's, I think that we're always being asked to. Look below the surface to really get to know ourselves in this deep. Soulful way Nina: [00:37:54] Food and body is an easy doorway. It's not that it's easy work, but it's there every day. I often joke that some people could go to, you know, $10,000 self-help workshops. But those of us who struggle with food and body issues, all we have to do is sit down for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. All our issues are there. And instead of being like, Oh my gosh, there's something wrong with me. I need to fix it. It's like, Oh, here's an opportunity for me to live in that rich depth of self examination, self exploration, self awareness. And as you say, self-revelation Monica: [00:38:32] so Nina, I want to kind of. Also, just really inquire with you about what, what would be like a powerful first step cause you and I have like, Just, I I feel like laid a feast to continue with the metaphor on a table for our listeners and for women and men. But of course, to, to really think about here, because it's not just women that struggle with this. Although what I will say is that society has a very cruel and unusual way of torturing women with this particular subject. Nina: [00:39:12] Yes. Yes. That is true. Monica: [00:39:15] So what would be a powerful first step for our listeners who want to step into this a little bit more and really kind of understand more about the body peace method? Nina: [00:39:27] Yeah, so. Um, very powerful first step is that I have, uh, an ebook available on my site called how to be a woman at peace in your body. And it really explores some powerful dynamics about the two kinds of relationships that society kind of throws out for us to have. Like that, that's it. That's all you get and then really steps into how do we create a richer relationship with our body? That's one powerful way. The other thing is I have a phenomenal group of women and we, um, gathered to. Be on the the body peace path and that's the body peace seekers. And you can find more information about that on my site, ninamanolson.com You can also reach out to me. I'm on Instagram and to talk and Facebook at nina manolson and you can always just email me at nina@ninamanolson.com. If you feel like, you know what I like, I'm struggling. I'm struggling in this relationship with food and body, and I don't know where to start. Let's figure it out. Each of us are at a different place in our relationship with food and body and deserve a not one size fits all program. We deserve to have a. Guidance and support that really fits where we are and the kind of relationship that we want to create with our body. Monica: [00:40:53] Me and I love that you just offered your email address. Thank you. That is amazing. And I couldn't agree more. It's just this for all of us to really recognize that we deserve, you know, to have something that really works for us. And if you need that, Extra conversation, that personalized conversation, that personalized path, somebody to really listen in a way that feeds you, that nourishes you, that helps you to really. Get, you know, get this, this piece, this part for yourself, because yes, to all of those self indulgences, this is such a big piece of the self-love puzzle, I think. And, and what I also really comes up for me to just really, you know, want to end on the note with you, Nina of like, gosh, it's just been such a illuminating and revealing episode here because of course I. Have really just been marveling as you've been talking at how. Affected. I am like how emotional this is for me. And I'm just imagining too, that it is for our listeners. And so, first of all, I want to just say, thank you. Thank you for bringing this conversation to the world in the way that you're doing it. It's so powerful. Nina: [00:42:18] Hmm. And then Monica: [00:42:20] thank you. Yeah. And I also, for, for all of us, you know, what I want to invite us to do here is to what would it be to CRA, like, to dream a new dream for our relationships, with our body and for our relationship with. Society in a way that really allows us to dream and dream a new dream about this, because that is how it happens. That is how we create a new reality is we first have to dare to dream a different dream. Nina: [00:42:55] Yeah. And to know that we deserve a different reality in our relationship with our body and food, you do not have to stay in that prison. You do not have to be at war with your food and body. This is something that can shift and that we all deserve to feel free in our body. We all deserve to feel at peace in our body. We all deserve to feel like it's a good place to live. So important and yes, this is a deeply emotional process was so much grief because we have been in prison. We have. Been in the restriction and restraint and it's sad. It's heartbreaking. Monica: [00:43:41] I feel, you know, so much lighter just feeling like we've, we've brought this conversation. So again, Nina, thank you so so much. And of course we'll. We'll come back. We'll we'll have another one. Cause I feel again, like there's so many places that we could have a deeper conversation, but I love that we kind of unpacked it today and I'm just going to leave this visual of a feast on the table so that we can come back and sit down and, you know, have have another meal. Nina: [00:44:12] I love that. Love that. Awesome. Monica: [00:44:14] And so obviously for our listeners more to be revealed.