Ted Brauer === Vince: [00:00:00] Any, any big summer plans? Ted: Yeah. Um, heading to England. Nice. Newcastle, my kids' soccer team, they're going to play there for a week, which is kind of cool. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. We're going straight, flying straight into Newcastle, playing their junior Premier League team, and, um, and they've got training sessions in another tournament to play. Okay. Hell, you neat. Vince: So the dads get Was the whole family going? Whole family's Ted: going. Okay. Um, wife and oldest are coming home early to, for high school stuff, high school soccer stuff, so, oh yeah. Vince: Okay. Yeah. How, how are you when you go to a tournament like that? I mean, do you like itch into like in general? Yeah. Ted: It depends. I used to, I used to, I, I wouldn't say I was loud, but I used to bark when they were younger. Sure. Now they're getting to a point where they're better than I was and they're young. Even though they're young. I mean, they had the training and I'm just kinda like, all right. Every once in I'll be like, I'll say something, but I try to just stand down the corner. I don't like to be by other parents. Right. Because a lot of the things that they say just make me [00:01:00] mad. And so just stand down in the corner. Yeah. Vince: I was, I found myself to be somewhat similar. I was a little more vocal in that you're younger and I realize, okay. Talking to myself, you're, you're, or Cindy would tell me, you're being that guy now. Yeah. Yeah. And she's six and you just told her like 30 things and she didn't hear a single one of 'em. Right. And I'm like, Got it. Yeah. Um, now that they're in high school or older, um, they're at a different level. Like the coaches are actually coaching. It's not just a dad filling in, paid the coach. Mm-hmm. And I don't wanna be that guy for sure. There's a few people who still are doing that at the high school level, and it stands out and people like, yeah, dude, you need to sit down. Ted: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It gets embarrassing, but. That Vince: should be a cold trip though. I mean, that's not just, Hey, we're going to, to Louisville or St. Louis for, uh, a tournament. Yeah, that's Ted: legit. It's, it's, it's good. It's a whole week. Um, and apparently that's where they've filmed some of the Harry Potter, uh, castle scenes and stuff, so Okay. They're gonna take us through some of that, so. Okay. It'll be neat. Daniel: Cool. How do we Fun? Yeah. Yeah. I'm [00:02:00] gotta, I've gotta try not to be that dad, I guess. Yeah. Vince: Yeah. Don't, don't be, don't be. I've got young twins. Yep. Daniel: Oh yeah. Yep. What age? Uh, 22 months. Ted: Oh yeah. Oh, you're in it. He's a young, yeah. Daniel: Yeah. Okay. So they've, they both like kicking a ball around. Yeah. So I'm hoping they'll wanna play soccer, getting golf clubs Ted: in their hands. Seventh grade now, Daniel: so we're out of it. Okay, good. So I've got two examples that it does, you can survive it, so, mm-hmm. That's good to, that's true. It's good to know. Yeah. Um, some days it's, doesn't seem survivable. Ted: No, you'll be fine. That first three, three months was a. Hell, I didn't wanna see again. Yeah. Yep, yep. Now it's Vince: just different. Right, right, right, right. Yeah. No more diapers, but they go into high school uhhuh, then they go into college and just have to deal with different things. Everything Daniel: else. Everything Ted: else. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's a mess. Well, good luck. All right, Vince: thanks. On that note, Ted: roll it in Uhhuh.[00:03:00] Is this thing on? All right. Vince: Hey guys. Welcome back to another episode of the Summits podcast. Thank you all for joining us from wherever you get your podcast. If you happen to be tuning in on the Heroes Foundation YouTube channel, thank you for doing so. If you're there, absolutely free. Doesn't cost you a single penny. Hit that little subscribe button, little notification bell. You can be alerted when new episodes like this one drop. Like I said, it won't cost you a dime. We'd greatly appreciate it. Help us out. So help us help you. All right, today we've got special guest, Dr. Ted Brower, Teddy b, welcome to the Summit podcast. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Yeah, you're welcome. Thanks for joining us. Um, why don't you give everybody a little background history on yourself? Oh, Ted: sure. Uh, born, pretty much born and raised. Indiana moved around a lot when I was younger. Um, went to North Central High School, uh, then straight into Indiana [00:04:00] University. Um, Then from there, I didn't take a break, like quite a few, uh, dental school classmates did. I just rolled straight on through, uh, right into dental school, did my four years there and came out, worked for a practice for two years, and then bought in, uh, bought in with a partner and have been with them ever since. Nice. Yeah, so we're, uh, actually I take it back, so now I'm on my own back, uh, since 2015 I bought a mountain, so I've been on my own for the last eight years. Okay. Daniel: Was that kind of a natural transition thing? Ted: Yeah. We build building together. Um, and he kind of was transitioning into doing sleep apnea and Okay. Done with dentistry, so I just ran the practice by myself. Daniel: Yeah. Yeah. I've noticed that seems to be a trend. Sure. You know, you moved to sleep apnea and the. Dentistry girl. There's a, a good family friend of ours that has kind of done the, the same Ted: thing. It's nice. Yeah. Um, from, from their standpoint, if they want to keep working, it's, well, it's a, it's a service that's needed anyway. Yeah. But it's, uh, it's something to where you're not [00:05:00] quite as hands on. Okay. Um, which is a, a good way to transition out. Yeah. Yeah. Vince: Was he older or about? Ted: Okay. Vince: Yep. All right. Yep. Yep, that works. Um, when you went to dental school, did you go to IU Dental School or Ted: somewhere else? Went to IU Dental School. Okay. It was in downtown. Downtown in here, Indy. Yeah. Okay. Okay. They don't have one in Bloomington. If they did, I'm not so sure I, I would've graduated, gotten outta him. Vince: I wasn't sure if, if it's like medical school where like first few years could be multiple locations and then everyone's back in India for the second two years. Just one. Just one, just one location. About how many students per class would you? About a Ted: hundred. Okay. On average it's not too big. No, it's not, it's not bad. Um, and, and like I said, I mean there, there was all age ranges, all walks of life, all different, um, different backgrounds as far as majors. You know, I walk in there thinking everybody has got a science background and right guy next to me, he's like, oh no, I was in psychology. Oh no, I did English. Kinda threw me off a little bit. Right. Um, what was your undergrad major? Yeah, biology. Okay. BS, biology. [00:06:00] Uh, and then a little chemistry, but then, uh, a couple other guys. Full families, 30 years old. Another guy was, uh, was from overseas. It was a, was a previous physician came here, licensed didn't transfer, so he went the dental route, so. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Vince: Wow. That's kind of cool. Kinda neat. Yeah. Yeah. Um, what, at what point did you say I wanna be a dentist, and what was it that was Ted: that trigger? It's interesting, uh, interesting story actually. So I went to IU thinking I wanted to get into medicine. Uh, actually when I was younger, my grandfather told me, Hey, Whatever you wanna do when you grow up, just make sure you're gonna be needed. Right. So I thought medicine, you know, the play, the game of life, that's the one that made the most money. You know, your, you're like, Hey, I'm a doctorate. Um, so I thought that was the route I was gonna go. A neighbor was a, um, was a sports med doc, so I kind of surrounded by it and wanted to go that route. When I was at iu, a fraternity brother of mine, his father was a physician, and he said, why, [00:07:00] why do you want to be a physician? And I said, well, to get to know patients, help 'em, take care of 'em, take care of their families. And he, he kind of cut me off and he said, you're, you're talking about the old school family doctor. That's not a thing really anymore. You're actually describing a dentist to a T. And I thought, well, that's, that's interesting. Yeah. Um, so that, that at least got the wheel spinning. Um, and the more I looked into that, I took it all the way back to when I was, uh, in elementary school and playing at recess. Took a, uh, I think it was playing soccer at recess. Took a shot to the face, chipped a tooth directly in half, thought I committed suicide, like social suicide. As a little kid, you're like, man, you're gonna be that kid getting made fun of with like a sharp tooth. Right? Um, and, uh, went to the dentist and he fixed me up and it was like nothing ever happened. So I was like, oh, I'm pretty good guy. Nice guy. That might be a good, good field to get into too. So a lot of different avenues kind of led that way. Mm-hmm. Um, and then when it came down to it, the dental, dental neurologist just felt right. [00:08:00] Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Vince: And now how many years you been in? 2020 Ted: years. 20 years in, yeah. Congrats. Thanks. Yeah, that's, that's Vince: awesome. Yeah. Would you ch okay, so I mean, we're both around the same age. Um, would you do anything differently 2020 year or younger Ted sitting in front of you? Hey, buddy, Ted: that's a good question. I, I don't know that I would simply because. What I went through to get there kind of led me to, to practice the way I want to practice. Yep. Um, you know, for the first two years that I was out, I saw, I saw a different type of practice and I was like, okay, yeah, I want to copy these, I wanna copy these, but I don't want to do this. You know, so it was just, I don't think so. Vince: And you're in a position where you have the flexibility to make that decision Correct. You can say, Hey, that's just not a path I wanna do and mm-hmm. So be it. Right. Uh, business wise, I mean, we. Both are part of business and, um, you own the [00:09:00] building. Yep. Ted: Key. Yep. Very good. That was the other, that, that would've been something had, had we not decided to do that early. Mm-hmm. Uh, so, uh, my partner, when I bought in as a, as a group, he had been leasing for 35 years and we kind of did the calculation about how much money he was throwing away at that and getting nothing in return. Mm-hmm. Where it was, you know, his guidance to where, where I looked at him and said, okay, hey, let's. So let's try to own this thing, right? Mm-hmm. Um, so Vince: yeah. Yeah, that's good job. That works well. Um, we, you and I have talked before, so for those that are listening or watching, um, Ted and I have known each other for probably, gosh, Ted: 15 ish years, probably. Maybe. Vince: Yeah. Yeah. We were 15 at the time, uh, or I was right. Which makes you even younger the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now we're, but anyway, uh, I was, I'm not, I was not a math major obviously, so, Um, we've talked about, you got you guys, your, you and your wife, your family, have been involved with the Heroes [00:10:00] Foundation in some capacity for probably the last, at least 10. I'm gonna guess, if not more. Sure. Um, so we've had these conversations, um, but why don't you, some people might say, well, Dennis, what, what does a dentist have to do with cancer? Um, and we'll get into the cancer story, but what, uh, from a, from a dental perspective, what do you witness? Um, in the world of, of cancer. Ted: Sure. Uh, well, just on a, on a daily basis, uh, I do a cancer screening on every single patient that comes through. Um, it's something that I have always done. I know there are a lot of dentists out there that incorporated either late in their careers or, or maybe still aren't doing it and mm-hmm. Need to, uh, but it's just, it's just, if you look at what do people, I guess, what do. The general population, who do you go see first? Right? You're gonna go to your dentist twice a year. You're should go to your doctor at least once a year. But a [00:11:00] lot of people don't unless they have problems, right? Yeah. Well, why can't I be that first line of defense? Right? So when we look at certain things, I'm not just looking at teeth, okay? We're looking at everything else. Um, but then a cancer screening along with it, uh, while it may be a year and I don't find anything great, you know? Mm-hmm. We get patients that say, have, have you ever found anything or did you find something last week? No, I don't want to. Yeah. Um, but if we see something that's off right, by all means we're gonna report it. And what Daniel: does that screening consist of? Ted: Sure. So, uh, the high risk sites are gonna be the thyroid. Okay. Um, so we do a, do an actual physical feel along the neck, the lymph nodes, um, and then just a visual screening. Uh, All tissues of the mouth. Um, but the high risk sites are gonna be sides of the tongue, floor of the mouth, soft palate. Um, so those are the ones that, that we look for. Just any irregularities. It could be, it could be [00:12:00] just an irregular white patch that doesn't hurt anybody. It could be an ulcerated lesion. Um, or it could be a small mass that's growing. So, I mean, there, there are things to where you're not gonna be able to look and see that in your own mouth. I mean, you're, yeah. Yeah. You know, I grab somebody's tongue and I pull it to the side, like, what are you doing? I'm looking under your tongue. Um, So, yeah, I mean, and, and, and just because there's something different doesn't mean, oh, you've got cancer, we're not gonna scare you. Mm-hmm. Um, it's just something to make note of if we see it two weeks later, all right, go get one. Right. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So, Vince: mm-hmm. Um, what about, and I'm sure it's part of the screening, I would think, but when you talk to people from an educational perspective mm-hmm. What are some things that you're trying to guide them on or. Um, educate them on, in terms of, you know, cancer avoidance or just general, I guess better hygiene. Ted: Yeah. More so I, well correct me if I'm, uh, going the right direction here, but it's, it's more about just being aware and, and not blowing it off. I [00:13:00] mean, just like an anybody, you know, ah, this kind of hurts, I'm gonna leave it alone. Um, it'll go away. Mm-hmm. Right. So if you see something on your. On your tongue, and it hasn't gone away in, in, in a week, two weeks hasn't changed. Getting bigger, getting worse. It, it's, it's awareness more than anything. Um, little sidebar at the time, I giggled until I realized that, you know, this person really needed to take care of it. I was kind of taken aback by it, but had a girl come in and did my oral cancer screening and I felt a mass, right, like right on a throat classic location for either just a, just a goiter, you know, just a, just a growth on the thyroid. Or thyroid cancer, you know, it's something, right? Mm-hmm. And, and so I said, Hey, how long has this been there? She goes, oh, I don't know, couple years. My boyfriend, and I just call it my Adam's apple, and I just, I just stopped. That's your look right there, right? I just stopped couple of years. Yeah. I just stopped and stared at her. I was like, okay, you need to go get that look at. Yeah. Well, normally I get a report, you know, I give her the referral [00:14:00] to, to the oral surgeon and an e n t. Get 'em both, just in case, you know, she doesn't want to go one route or the other. I normally get a report about a week later that they saw her, or here was the findings, or here's a biopsy report. Three plus weeks later had nothing. So I thought, eh, let's see. So I had my front desk call. They called her and she said she didn't go in because the people I gave her weren't in her network. And that's when I was just like, okay, this is, this is crazy. We're talking about potentially what could this be? Right? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Luckily it was just a, just a mass that she had removed and everything was fine. But going back to your original question, comment, you know, what, what, what advice or what, what to look out for is it's not gonna go away Right. Necessarily. I mean, especially if we tell you to get it looked at. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Um, Vince: the, the don't smoke campaign has been going on for sure. Decades, let's say, and most people affiliate that with lung cancer. Yep. Um, We both went to iu. You went to Purdue, we probably all had friends, [00:15:00] fraternity brothers, whatever that, that dipped like all four years. And yeah, some of them for all we know, may still do it. Yep. Um, what are, I mean, I'm gonna say the obvious, or you might say the obvious, but like, you shouldn't do that and what, what all the reasons Ted: why. Yeah. Um, well the, the three biggest. Causes that we know about, at least for oral cancer risk is alcohol consumption, tobacco use, whether it's dip smoke, um, and then also H P V, um, the, uh, the, uh, uh, human papilloma papillomavirus. So, yeah. Okay. What, what could be the issue? Well, Anytime there's gonna be something that could cause cellular change, like dip, they put it in the same spot every single time. When I do a cancer screening, Hey, do you smokeless tobacco? No. Really? What's all this white little rib thing I see in your bottom lip? You know? Yeah. [00:16:00] Um, so if it's changing physically in the mouth and I can see it, there's potential for permanent change. Right. Which is the scary part. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Vince: Um, if that individual is using smokeless tobacco and actually doesn't spit it out in a cup, but ingests it, which aside from the disgust factor, Ted: sorry, but it is, Vince: yeah. Um, what, I mean, I'm, I'm thinking like as Okay. Esophageal possibly abdominal issues. Ted: Chronically, yes. Um, if, if it's a, if it's a, you'd have to think just yes, because of the constant irritation mm-hmm. Going down the throat. I don't know about the esophageal risk going in there. I mean, the stomach's just a acidic pool anyway. Um, but yeah. Going down, going down that tissue for sure. [00:17:00] Yeah. Um, along with other health factors though, like you mentioned, I mean That's right. That's a mess. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I, I. I can't even say. Yeah, just get rid, just spit it out. Cause it just, it just goes against what you think. Just don't do it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Um, now, you know, what does that mean long term? I don't know. Sure. I don't know. Yeah. Because there are some people who, there's, there's gotta be other factors and there's genetics. There are some other things that play into it because there are some people who we know who smoke, drink all day every day and they don't have oral cancer. Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. And a lot of other health issues. But they don't have that, so it's, right. And Vince: then those who maybe don't do much of that at all. Correct. And Yep. Unfortunately, win the lottery that they didn't wanna win, Ted: right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, which, which is kind of what we were talking about earlier is those are the three risk factors. But what we're finding is we are [00:18:00] getting a lot more oral cancer diagnosis than people who have not had any of those risk factors, and they don't think they're at risk. Sometimes they may say, ah, you don't need to look, or you don't need to look that hard. I don't, I don't have any risk factors. Well, that's the problem. Yeah. It's, it's showing up with unknown. They call it unknown etiology. You don't know where it came from or why it's there. Okay. Um, Vince: so you just answered my, the one question you're probably gonna ask that, Sam, it's me. Like, what's, what's the deal? Like, what's causing it? Yeah. I mean, like, Daniel: what, what, what has, what's the timeline on when that kind of started to take notice that. This was happening without these risks. Has it been within the last year, last five years? I Ted: think it's, it's been going on for a while. Uh, it's been ramping up slowly. So something I read recently, it said, uh, each year 3% of all cancers that are diagnosed mm-hmm. Are oral cancer, which is about 50,000 plus. Wow. [00:19:00] Um, I don't know where that ranks among all cancers, but that's gotta be up there. Yeah. So that, that got the wheels turning. Okay. What is it? Yep. Is it the fact that maybe now more dentists and everybody else are actually looking for it? Yeah. And if we are actually looking for it more, is that the primary cause or did it come from somewhere else, right? Mm-hmm. Um, one of the other types of oral cancer that we see on an x-ray. Would be a type of, uh, sarcoma, like an osteosarcoma. So something else. Some kind of, some kind of radiolucency that we will see in the bone. So something in there. And is that, those are typically secondary. Okay. Vince: I, I was just gonna ask, is that the origination point or is it coming from somewhere else? Those are Ted: typically secondary. Okay. But there's been a lot of 'em to where it, it could be just the only one. Yeah. Daniel: So I know you obviously mentioned tobacco and, and um, you know, dip and things like that. Mm-hmm. What about. You know, I think sometimes vape gets put into a conversation of like, oh, it's a little bit different or whatever. Yeah. Similar risk factors. Ted: Sure, sure. It's [00:20:00] gonna be, it's going to be, whatever's gonna change the oral environment. Okay. Um, and it, and the carcinogen factor of anything is gonna be a part of that, but also the, the dryness, the heat, um, those, those are gonna be things that play a factor for sure. Daniel: Is, is there more, um, focus now either whether from research or funding, trying to identify why there's this uptick? Or is it just more of a like, obviously, you know, similar or, or we have conferences and things that we go to, like I'm sure there are different dental conversations. I don't, I don't know. Topic, Ted: topical conversation. Yeah. Not that I'm aware of. Okay. I'm sure. Yeah. I mean the, the, the, the oral health and, and, um, Know, just, just that whole community. There's a research community, the pathology community. I mean, they, they go after these things Okay. All the time. So I mean, yes. Yeah. Sure. I, I don't know, I don't have anything specific that would say that, but, but I would have no doubt. Yeah. Um, because it's a scary [00:21:00] thing. Yeah. Um, seen, seen the, the negative side of it. Mm-hmm. You know, once a diagnosis is made to see something so small as, I don't wanna say small, because No, no. Cancer's a small cancer, but, Thyroid cancer is treatable. It's there. You remove the lesion, you remove the thyroid, you're on meds, typically you're gonna be okay. Um, but you still have to worry. Mm-hmm. Um, and then you get the others to where if, if it's something that wasn't caught in time, if it was, uh, you're taking half your tongue off, you're taking half your jaw off. If it's, if it is indeed a sarcoma, half the bone has to go. And I've actually seen a couple people where it's. They don't know if they're ever gonna be okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, or the Vince: story of the girl. Granted, fortunately for her it turned out to be nothing but with the lump. Mm-hmm. And it had to been something that just forgotten about over time and that just allows it to grow and spread. Right. And it could have been something that's super treatable originally if it caught early. Right. And [00:22:00] now not so much Ted: metastasized somewhere else and Right. What Vince: about environmental factors, um, to include, which it's probably not an environmental factor, but. Foods that they're eating now, could that, can that play a role at all? Uh, Ted: none. I mean, I don't know that there's a specific diet that I could say you have to stay away from. Right. Um, that I don't know. I don't know. I mean, you'd have to think the FDA is doing their job to keep people away from certain things there, at least. Right. Um, and certainly not one I'm gonna sit here and say, and then have people come back and Right. And say, Hey, he said Vince: Right. Low up the comments, guys on that one. Ted: Yeah. Yeah. He told me not to eat this. Vince: Cool. Well, uh, Ted, you know the story, how we go on these, uh, episodes. What, uh, what is your cancer story? Ted: Well, a speci, a couple specific cancer stories. Uh, [00:23:00] one personal within the family. Um, Well, actually a couple specific within the family, but prior to, to us having a, um, having an affinity and getting, getting involved with you guys, um, my wife's uncle actually had oral, oral cancer. He had a, a squamous cell carcinoma in his throat, which, uh, that is not an easy one to get to. Um, surgery is definitely an option, which he had. But then watching, and I was a dentist at the time, so he asked, asked me a lot of questions, you know, what, what do you do? What do you go through? Mm-hmm. Well, but actually speaking with him, talking about what he, he was dealing with on a daily basis, um, the treatments and then the post-op care that I tried to help him get through it was something. So surgery was number one. Um, And direct radiation. And that was the, that was the tough one to hear. I mean, I always knew about it, but the, but the focused [00:24:00] radiation, he showed me a mask that he had to put on, and then the direct radiation, what it did to the, to the skin, what it did to the muscles, um, and everything from that aspect. Well then afterwards, that type of radiation obliterates the salivary glands. So what a lot of people don't realize is saliva not only just let's you spit. Um, and helps you with digestion, but it helps you with taste. He used to love beer. You know, he used to love having a steak or a piece of pizza. He used to love red wine. All that just tasted the same to him. And it, uh, his, the red wine would burn his tongue. So the acidity of certain foods, he just couldn't have it, didn't like it, didn't want it. Um, and then the lack of saliva can wreak havoc on your teeth, uh, because it doesn't help the environment get back to a basic. A basic environment after having something acidic to eat. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Right. So then, so then you get, uh, so then you can get ca a decay pretty easily. Um, it [00:25:00] just changed, changed the way he, he lived difficult to talk. He couldn't have a conversation without holding a bottle of water or, or something. So, so watching that was tough. Another one was actually a patient of mine. We briefly touched on this, Doss osteosarcoma. Um, I wasn't the one who diagnosed it, but she came to see me shortly after she had the initial treatment. And so I saw on the x-ray where, where the lesion was treated, um, which, you know, if I had not known that she had previously had it, uh, would, it would erase some alarms. Well, we kept records of it and saw her back again, and it looked like it was changing. So she went back to the surgeon, had to have another surgery. Then when she came back again, she could barely open her mouth because of all the muscles that they had to go through and basically dissect or, or re, excuse me, resect away. And it was just, it was leathery. She couldn't talk. She had trouble eating them. Nicest person, most gracious person, and and grateful person just to, just to be with [00:26:00] you. Um, came back, said she thought she was good. Didn't see her for a year. We reached out to somebody, she passed away. Um, and that, that was just, you know, to again, watch the progression. It's, it's tough. Mm-hmm. Um, and then I guess the success story would be, uh, my brother-in-law, uh, who, uh, was recently diagnosed with colon cancer, uh, went through all the treatments. Obviously the, uh, the chemo wasn't great for him and, but, but he, uh, he, he got through it and so far so good. He's in the clear. That's good. Yeah. Daniel: Yeah. Um, early diagnosis on that one. It's early diagnosis on that one. Yeah. Caught it pretty quick. Yep. Good. That's good. Yep. Vince: Yeah. Um, age range on brother-in-law. Ted: Uh, 50, probably 50 thir, 52, 53 when it was 52 when it was diagnosed. I, uh, probably, yeah, late, early fifties when it was diagnosed. He's 52, 53 now. Yeah. Vince: For some reason, colon cancer is [00:27:00] being diagnosed more often and, and in younger and younger people. Mm-hmm. Um, Yeah, it's, it's kind of, kind of messed up. Yeah. Ted: Yeah. Um, Vince: well, I'm glad, I'm glad he's in remission now. Yeah. And hope, hope that continues for sure. Yeah, he's doing well. Good. Um, occasionally we ask some guests, do you have any questions for us? Well, Ted: Yeah. Daniel: Uh, uh oh. Normally people say no. Yeah. Yeah. Buddy. I got a question. Vince: You, Daniel: I guess, when was the last time you Ted: flossed? Yeah. Right? No. What, what level, what level did you, I guess what level of knowledge did either one of you have about oral cancer coming in? I know you, you probably just in general have the Yeah. Daniel: Minimal. Not really. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, heard of it. I feel like I've heard of it less than, um, than others, but as when. When I have heard that someone has either had oral cancer or has it, it's always one of those ones you're like, oh man, that is [00:28:00] just, not that any cancer is not bad, but that one just isn't one that comes to my head often of like something that's there. Right. Sure. And like you said, the, the same thing about you taste and everything else that goes along with it. Mm-hmm. That, um, you could lose or have to, you know, live with afterward is Sure. Just always seems worse for some reason. I Vince: don't know why I would. I'm the same way. I mean, you would think I might have a little bit more elevated knowledge just living in this world more or last 20 plus years. Um, but to Daniel's point, oral cancers aren't much of a topic of conversation. It's usually some other variation. Sure. Mm-hmm. Um, I certainly know a couple people who have had a type of oral cancer. So a girl I went to high school with, and this is back, I think we were outta high school, but not. Not by much, or maybe it was senior year. Um, and she had a, I can't remember what, what specific type of cancer it was, but somewhere in the back of her throat or, or on the tongue. Or the side of the tongue and had to have some [00:29:00] surgery done. Um, and that was a challenge for her, for sure. Mm-hmm. I don't know what the long-term side effects are for her. She may still have some, I it may, she may not. I don't, I don't know. Um, but to your point, depending on where it is and what it is, I have seen other folks with Yeah. Part of their jaw missing or some other irregularity where yes, fortunately they're still with us. They can live, but it's a challenge both mm-hmm. Emotionally and, and physically depending on what, what's affected. Sure. What's, Daniel: um, what has been one of the things, obviously you've been part of heroes or involved for a while, what's been one of their either standout moments of being a part of it? Oh. Hmm. I feel like there's a, there's a story there that, Vince: well, there, there could be, I, I'm laughing cuz I'm sure there's a story there. Number one, I don't know if it can be told on air number two. Yeah. You know, take your pick, which, which gala, Ted: you know, you know. Okay. I'll, I'll give you, I'll give you one of the standout moments. And it was one of the, one of the first, uh, galas that we went to. Um,[00:30:00] were you, were you, was it with, was it Stuart Scott? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Was that the one where you were wearing the candy stripped pants? Yes. Yeah, that, that one, I love that one. Yeah, that was good. Yeah. Vince: Yeah. Um, that, I don't remember if that was the same year that Feldman split his pants or not. I think I thought that you might go that route. I, I like to bring that one up, but, you know, I bet he Daniel: loves it when you bring that one up Vince: too. Well. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you're, as I think he says, Hey, if you're not dancing hard enough to split your pants and you're, you're not dancing arms. Yeah. Right. Fair, fair. Ted: That's a good point. I'm like, okay. I guess at least, at least there's the potential, I guess. Yes. Good deal. All Vince: right, Teddy. Yeah. Well, uh, we appreciate you coming on and, and sharing, glad to be here. Your experiences. Um, we appreciate your support. Mm-hmm. Um, you guys have been great for us. Uh, appreciate carrying that word. If there's anything we can do to assist your practice in educating your patients on things to not do, things to look out for, let us know. We'd be happy to be happy to be involved somehow. Appreciate that. Ted: Thank you. Vince: Awesome. Thank all you guys for listening to [00:31:00] this episode of the Summits podcast. From wherever you get your podcast, or if you're watching us on the Heroes Foundation YouTube channel, thank you for doing so. We appreciate it. Until next time, guys, beat Cancer.