Danielle Halsey === Vince: [00:00:00] Pointing out, as soon as it flips back to it, I was just there. Danielle: Well, I think that's actually still part of it. I think all of that's part of it, but maybe not. That could be the Rocky Mountains. That one could be a little different. Well, there are a couple shots where you're from, man. I'm not, I'm not totally stalking. I am always so surprised how much is on the internet that I'm like, Oh my gosh, that's so many things that you now know about me. I remember in my college Googling myself and I was like, that's my MySpace picture from like 2005. Let's get rid of that somewhere. Oh my gosh, I was just there. That's the spot? That's the spot. Where were you standing at? Oh, gotta be like, oh, I gotta take this with me. Right there. Okay. But, I think I also ate food there. So did you carb Vince: load on pasta there? Yes. And then hike the Dolomites? Yes. Danielle: Uh huh. That would make sense. Well, and of course the day we were there, it was like, foggy, and I have a video of like, uh, The picture of like this is what it should look like and then I scan over and you can only see like the bottom half of all [00:01:00] the tips because there's just all this fog, but still breathtaking. So, 10, suggest the Dolomites. I'm going to just move there. Vince: That's good to know. I mean, I've been at Italy several times, both for work and personal, but I've never... No. Okay. Scratch. Chris, you can edit that part out. Sorry. I gotta keep it. My point was, I've never been to that section of the Danielle: country. It's like, and that's very common for everybody who goes to Italy, because it's just like far enough that unless you're going just there, it's kind of hard to get to. Okay. And, but at the same time, it is. A hundred percent worth it. Like, we will go back just for the Dolomites and you could spend easily two weeks there because there's all these little towns and there's like six sections of The Italian Dolomites, like National World, I'm gonna butcher it, but it's like the U. N. C. E. S. O., like United Nations. UNESCO. Yeah, yeah. Um, there's like six parts of that park. So you could like [00:02:00] go to each different park and spend all day at each one. It's so cool. Vince: We should go Danielle: back for the Winter Olympics. Yes, well, and that's what's when we were there. What was really cool is a lot of the Little towns had like Winter Olympic signs and things like that Yeah, and like cuz they're gonna have it in Milan. They're gonna have it in Cortina. They're gonna have it everywhere So I was like, oh, it's cool that we got to go here before like it's gonna be wild. Yeah. Vince: Yeah That would be cool. I've never been to an Olympics now and I've not been there so it just makes sense. Double up. Yeah. There we go. That's perfect. And we'll do another Danielle: episode there. There we go. Podcast on the road. You could definitely get some sort of cancer fitness exercise Olympics. It's all right there. I'm sure Vince: there's plenty of Olympians. Who have a cancer related story, if they're not a survivor themselves, and now an Olympic athlete, that would be a great story to tell, right? Yeah, that'd be great. We'll find it. So we just need Celsius and Smart Water to step up and sponsor us. Yeah, sponsor our trip. Yeah. We'll take it. We can Danielle: do it. We can do it. That's awesome. Alright, cool. So it was a [00:03:00] good trip? I take it. It was a blast. It was an absolute blast. How long were you there again? So we were in Italy for 10 days, 12 days total, 2 days of traveling. Okay. Um, I went to Rome, Florence, went to a wedding. And then we drove up to the Dolomites and then spent Three days in the Dolomites, four ish, and then we went to Venice, and by the time we got to Venice we were exhausted, we spent literally, I think, maybe, uh, 12 hours in Venice? A little bit more than 12 hours. And then we were like, okay, I'm exhausted, and we left. So, it was a great time. I would go back Vince: to Venice, too. We were over there with my kids and everything last summer. One thing about Venice, very popular, very crowded, cruise ships, regular travelers coming in. Someone had told us, okay, at night people go back to their cruise ships. Yeah, the attendance goes down somewhat, but get away from the Grand Canal, get away from the tourist areas, and just get lost in all these tiny little alleyways, and we did. [00:04:00] And it was the coolest thing ever. Danielle: It really was. It is very different at night. And that was what was nice. We purposely made sure we stayed in Venice for a night because of that. Because people were like, Venice at night, a lot of people will do a day trip, I guess. Like you said, with cruise trips. Other things like that. And so we were like, okay, like we have to return our car and it was the best flight out. So we were like, okay, let's just stay the night in Venice, but I do wish we had maybe like two nights there. So the first night we could have just been exhausted. Yeah. Cause this, the, since we were leaving at like 11 AM the next day, it was like. Okay, we got dinner, we had some, uh, Chinchete, or the little pieces of bread, with all the cheese and the yumminess on them. And then I was like, and I'm tired. Okay. Going Vince: to bed. Yeah, exactly. Alright, well we'll hit it up next time. Yes, Danielle: yes, all together. Perfect. Just bring me along. Vince: Perfect. Alright, cool. Should we get rolling? Let's do it. Alright.[00:05:00] Danielle: Is this thing on? Vince: Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of the summits podcast. Thank you all for joining us from wherever you get your podcasts or for those of you watching on the Heroes Foundation YouTube channel. Thank you for doing so. If you hadn't hit that subscribe button, please do so. It won't cost you a trip to Italy. I promise. Unless you want to sponsor our trip. We're happy to chat. Um, also hit that little notification bell icon so you can be alerted when new episodes like this very one drop. Today we have the pleasure of hosting Miss Danielle Halsey. Do you want to Danielle: go with Danny or Danielle? Whatever you want to call me. I'd go by either. Go with Danny. We'll Vince: do Danny. Yeah, we'll do Danny. All right. Um, welcome to the Summit's podcast. Thank Danielle: you. I'm super excited to be here. Why don't Vince: you give your own little intro, if you would. Danielle: All right. Well, I'm Danny. I'm an exercise physiologist with the, uh, Indiana University Simon Comprehensive Cancer [00:06:00] Center. I hope I got all of the C's in there. Um, and I'm the lead exercise physiologist of the MOVE program at the Simon Cancer Center. Um, about me, I'm actually born and raised in Colorado when I moved out to Indiana about Oh, I think it's about five years ago now. Um, so, I surprisingly like Indiana more than I thought I would. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. Good, good. Yes, well, you know, being somebody that was constantly outdoors growing up, I have found a new love for being outside, out here with, cause you guys got a lot of really good trails. So that is, that is a nice thing about Indiana and so I'm glad I found that. But actually through moving to Indiana, a little bit about me, I started doing triathlons and powerlifting and, Kind of forced myself to do some more different types of physical activity or exercise but so grew up in Colorado got my undergrad and my master's at University of Northern, Colorado Um, I have a Master's in Exercise Physiology and I'm an ACSM, so [00:07:00] American College of Sports Medicine, certified Exercise Physiologist. They also have some other certifications, so I have an a different certification that's called exercises, medicine. Okay. I have a lot of random letters behind my name, which is exciting, but I'm also like a. USAW, so USA Weightlifting Certified Coach, and then I am a um, uh, I'm through UNC, University of Northern Colorado. If I just say UNC, people get a Vince: little confused. I think Northern Colorado. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Danielle: Well, Chapel Hill. I actually did spend some time there shortly, but just to help out with some research projects. Um, and then I also have a cancer exercise trainer specialist from them. So lots of letters. Yeah. Um, and then, like I said, personally, I really like I love lifting heavy. I love doing triathlons and cycling and, um, Hanging out with my dog and my fiance and traveling so so I gotta ask Vince: I'm not a triathlete Yeah, but when I hear heavy lifting and [00:08:00] triathlons, I don't think those typically they Danielle: typically don't same category Yes, I'm I'm what you would consider a hybrid athlete, but that would have to be like a whole nother podcast Yeah, it's really cool. You can do both and that's kind of What the recommendations are for cancer survivors too is you got to do a little bit of both. Sure. That's why I sometimes I'm like I'm the perfect person because I love to do both. Yeah. There you go. Vince: Yeah. All right. Well, we'll get into that. Um, so you describe what your current role is. Uh, if you want to go into like kind of what's, what's your typical day to day, you certainly can. But I also want to know, like, how'd you get into it? Like what, was there something in your childhood growing up that said, okay, this is what I want Danielle: to do? Yeah. Well, so I originally always thought I wanted to be a physical therapist. So when I went into college, I was like, I'm going to be a physical therapist, even did a physical therapy internship, like my senior year of high school. I was very physical therapy aware, um, and this is a little more like, uh, I think my college advisor called it hippy dippy. Um, So the technical [00:09:00] term? Yeah, yeah, the technical term was hippy dippy. Um, but I just kind of got to a point where I was like, I don't feel smart enough to go to PT school, or it was like, it just wasn't speaking to me, quote unquote. Um, and so, where I went to college is University of Northern Colorado and they had one of the first cancer rehabilitation programs in the nation, um, and essentially what had happened was I was like walking through campus one day and I came upon the cancer rehabilitation place and I kind of talked to some people there and I was like, oh my gosh, like this is what I want to do. And so like. This was back in, I graduated. So this was like 2010, 2011. So long ago. Yeah. Well, it wasn't that long ago. Yeah. It wasn't too long ago. Yeah. What are you trying to say? For two or three people. Vince: Yeah. Danielle: But so at that time, exercise oncology and cancer rehabilitation, that word's hard to say today. [00:10:00] Um, it was like not a thing. So I did get my degree in exercise science and, you know, my. uh, academic advisor was like exercise physiology and kinesiology is like a degree. Did you know that? And I was like, no, they're like, yeah, do that then. So I did that. Um, and through that program, I obviously started working at the cancer rehab center and I was like, this is amazing. I love this. Um, and I loved working there and the patients I got to see and just the. The bond you get to have with people phenomenal and it was like I got to do Higher level medical thinking but I also didn't have to be a doctor and I didn't have to be a PT I also got to use the information. I knew about just general exercise and things like that Um, so then I graduate turns out there's not a job a lot of jobs in exercise oncology at the time and so I ended up going through and working in cardiac rehab, which is very common for exercise physiologists and then [00:11:00] To make a very long story short, I was offered a position at IU School of Medicine. And through... Were you still in Colorado at the time? Yes. Yeah, so I was still in Colorado. Um, I worked in cancer or exercise rehab in Colorado. I was sports performance coach. I was also a beer tender. I was working like four different jobs, um, beer tender, very Colorado. Yeah. I know. Yeah. Vince: And you're in golden. I mean, yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Danielle: Very, very, yes. A very common. Um, and so I did that and then I was offered a position at IU School of Medicine, helping start a clinical, um, arm of an individual's lab, and through that person and through that PI, I ended up meeting my current boss and my old boss, um, and they were like, hey, we're starting like this exercise study looking at exercise in adolescent young [00:12:00] adults, and I was like, oh, cool, like I was literally at a talk, and they showed screen and I was like, that's where I went to school. So I walked up to the presenter and I was like, Hey, um, I, I went to school there. Like I have a degree from there and I worked at that, that cancer rehab and she was like, Oh my gosh, like come help work with me. So I ended up switching to PT monk. worked there for four years. Um, and then that study kind of closed. And then Tara had reached out to me. Uh, and Tara said, Hey, I'm looking to hire an exercise physiologist, you know, anybody? And I was super happy. Exactly. Well, it's funny. I was super happy in my position. I loved what I was doing. I was doing exercise and cancer survivorship and stem cell transplant and, um, studies. And so I was like, yeah, I gave her a list of people helped her with the job description, all this stuff. And then people started applying and I was like, wait, I think I, I want to do this. This [00:13:00] is, this is me. I want this. I want this job. And so I was like, Hey Tara, I think I'm going to apply. And she was like, so you know, if you apply, I'm going to give it to you, right? And I was like, Oh really? And she's like, yeah. That's what I was hoping for. Yeah. And so then that's how I ended up where I'm at currently was I have been lucky enough to kind of, I always knew cancer rehab was something I had a really big passion for. And for some reason. It just kept bringing up in my life and coming back to me and we kept kind of meeting along the way and I was like I guess this is what I'm supposed to do because I was set to go to PA school and then Tara was like hey You want to work with me? And I was like, well, see you at PA school. I'm going to go start a cancer rehab program for adults. Right. That's cool. Yeah. Um, Vince: briefly, if you would tell us, what does, what does cancer rehab mean? And the reason why I asked that today, very commonplace 23 years ago when I went through, um, it was not, not happening. They were just on the [00:14:00] cusp of saying, okay, we want to, we want, we had this pilot project of providing, you know, a dietician and some psychosocial services and this, that, and the other, and kind of bundling together, which today is like. No, no offense, like everyone has, it's commonplace, um, but 23 years ago it wasn't. So for maybe the, the average listener or viewer who maybe has not had a personal cancer experience, um, tell us a little bit about what cancer rehab means to you and what you guys are doing. Yeah. Danielle: So our program specifically is a little different because cancer rehab can look different at each facility. Sure. Um, we're under what's called our Supportive Oncology Department, and our goal is to have services for all aspects of somebody's health. Like, somebody's health is not just whether or not you can get up and walk around and go down the stairs without, go up the stairs, without getting short of breath. Um, But so our program in support of oncology and cancer rehab, like you said, should encompass everything, both the mental aspect, the nutritional aspect, the physical aspect. [00:15:00] And so the MOVE program itself has a physical therapist who's oncology certified and trained. And then they have me, um, our exercise physiologist, who has a background in oncology as well. And then what we do is. If we notice through surveys and are just talking to patients or, um, really it's mostly surveys and talking to patients, if we're having issues in other aspects of their life or if they're having issues in other aspects of their life, we're able to refer them out. And so Cancer Rehab is looking at everything that this patient has gone through or might go through and trying to help them. get to their best version of themselves. Um, at least that's how I envision cancer rehab. And, you know, most people listening to this podcast know there's a lot of things that come with a cancer diagnosis and cancer treatment. And so we're really trying to help eliminate. What we can or just improve what we [00:16:00] can along the way. Vince: Yeah, so what are the typical things that you guys see that you're trying to work on with a patient? Danielle: One of the big things is cancer related fatigue. Yeah. Um, that's probably the most common symptom that patients will report. Um, and then just general, like, weakness, the ability to not really do the things that they used to be able to do. Uh, breast cancer, you'll see a lot of brain, uh, fatigue or brain fog, I guess I should say. Um, and then just not feeling like themselves anymore. Um, and... That's probably the biggest things that I'd see. And then with the exercise, it's always a wild cause the first few weeks, everybody will do an exercise session or two. And they're like, I was so tired after I left here. Like I just slept on my couch. And then the next week or two later, they're like, I have a lot more energy. Like I was able to do my laundry and take my laundry basket upstairs without being winded. And I'm like. Yeah, that's the whole point. Like, it's a really cool. Yeah, [00:17:00] it's and it's been so Counterintuitive for a really long time like I don't know what your physicians might I know you said you're kind of on the cusp Of when that stuff was happening, but for a while it was like no you need to just lay down relax and rest and it's like Nope, we need you to try and do anything whether it's five minutes or 20 minutes Inactivity is the last thing that we want people to do. And so, that's the, uh, the big thing of trying to be like, Okay, I know you're tired. I know you're fatigued. But, surprisingly, this will help you. Yeah. Vince: I've seen, you know, those that I've known have gone through kind of a Um, total mixed bag for me. I know that I'd have treatments on a Thursday morning. The rest of that afternoon I was wiped Friday. I just kind of felt like I was hungover and I was pretty young. I was like, Oh yeah. I remember what this felt like. Um, and then progressively over the next two weeks, you know, obviously felt better. Um, and I've had some people who just, it just [00:18:00] wipes them out completely. And then like Stuart Scott, when he was here for him. He worked out like a, yeah, and he was already working out normally, but he just he actually amped it up and we just worked out like a Maniac and he said for him. It was much about making him felt feel better physically as a well Danielle: as yeah upstairs Yeah Cuz depression anxiety and like just overall mental status does seem to be another big side effect because if you think about it It's all encompassing right? You don't feel good. You're tired You don't feel like yourself anymore. So then you're like, Oh, well, I'm now sad about all of these things. And my medical bills, I'm so bit like, there's just so many things. It's a accumulation of so many things. Um, and we, we know that in even general population, if you're not going through cancer treatment, exercise has these benefits. So why would it not be beneficial for those that are going through treatment? And so it is very interesting that you brought up the fact of individuality, right? That is one [00:19:00] of the largest things that is necessary with the cancer, uh, rehab or just cancer exercise prescription in general, is like patients are going to be different. And while exercise and the guidelines is everybody should be getting 150 minutes. per week of moderate physical activity or 75 minutes of vigorous physical activity. That's not realistic for everybody. Like for your person who was already exercising prior, yeah, maybe 150 minutes is completely realistic, but if you were completely sedentary before, now you feel like crap and you want me to do 150 minutes, like, most people would just flip you the bird and I have to leave the room. But so that's why you start with like, okay, give me five minutes. And then slowly progress from there. And then, there's another really cool thing that I'm like amped about, so... Um, as I kind of touched on in my intro, I'm also, I have a sports performance background. I worked with elite athletes. I worked with tactical military individuals and I loved [00:20:00] that. And so it's really fun for me to encompass all the aspects of my life. And so another big thing that's coming out is looking at periodizing people's exercise programs to their cancer regimes. And so that's another thing that you can look at is like you have program A and program B. Okay. Thanks. Program A is when you're, you know, two days post chemo and you feel like a hungover 21 year old again. Or Program B is when you're feeling really great and you don't have chemo for another week or two. And so that's also like a really fun thing to educate patients on because they think, and I think just general population thinks this too, like exercise is this thing and if it's not this thing, then you're not exercising. And it's like, no. So, exercise is whatever you can do at this time and what fits you and progressing it from there. Yeah. Vince: So. That's a great example. So, you brought up two things that kind of resonated. One was going back to Stuart again, I think he was into [00:21:00] kickboxing and he said, yeah, obviously I'm not going five or nine rounds, like I might only do two if I'm not feeling that great, but I'm going to do those two. And that's great. At least you're doing something. Yeah. Um. When you, when you talk to different patients, um, how many of them, or like what percentage do you feel like actually end up adopting some form? And, you know, get, get it that, look, we know that you're not a hundred percent, like we get that, but we just want you to do something. Danielle: Yeah, that's really hard. Um, I think it's patients who obviously come in and have that accountability of somebody to be like, okay, Dani's going to be sitting at her desk waiting for me, are more likely to continue exercising after I'm like, you have graduated. Yeah. Um, compared to those that really like go. And come in, do a consultation and do things on their own. And that's not even, like I said, that's not even just a cancer specific [00:22:00] population thing. That's just a general population thing. But it is a lot harder for cancer patients considering they have a lot more barriers. There's a lot more time constraints. They're just not feeling well. So I would probably say it can be 50 50. Um, which is really hard because We know the benefits and we still have a big struggle to get people up and moving and just taking that vote for themselves. Um, and so my goal as an exercise physiologist is always to just like take that This is what I have to be doing and fit it into what can I do? To take a vote for myself and do better for myself and is realistic to my life. Yeah So it's a hard turnover, but it is very cool when you do have that patient turnover. Um, like I had a breast cancer survivor who was like, she's like, I don't exercise. I'm not an [00:23:00] exercise person. And she graduated about three, four months ago. And she consistently still comes in and just works out on her own. Because, like she said, she's like, I know this is good for me and I know it's going to benefit me in the long run. And so it's really initiating that buy in. Once we get that buy in, it's, it's like, okay, like, it doesn't matter if you're working out three times a week. If you're working out once a week, that's better than none. Right. Vince: Yeah. So part of our prevention platform, we talk about cancer prevention in terms of, you know, some things you can do to try to reduce the likelihood that you might be diagnosed with cancer. Granted. Sometimes you're just, you win the lottery, you don't want to win. Yeah, exactly. Case in point, uh, for myself, um, and exercise is a big part of that. Huge part of it. So, I mean, whether we're a cancer organization or heart health or what have you, whole lot of benefits. Yeah. Um, outside of, you know, not, not smoking and all those things. Um, so I'm curious to know, I think it'd be curious, and, and so much, I sure, surely someone has tracked this. If you had a [00:24:00] hundred relatively new, newly cancer diagnosed individuals, how many of them worked out on a regular basis? Yes. Okay. Uh, prior to that diagnosis. Danielle: Oh, I don't, I would have to look at the study if there was one, but I mean, I think you would probably, yeah, it would probably be less than half to be honest. But the thing is, is while exercise can help reduce your risk of it, it doesn't mitigate it completely. So like, like you said, You can have a completely healthy individual. Like I, I worked as a rehab tech for a long time and we had a 61 year old individual who was playing basketball with his kids one day, had a massive stroke the next day. He was a very active individual, but. And, you know, that day his card got pulled kind of thing, he pulled the wrong numbers. Um, but yeah, and really what you see a lot of research looking at is that [00:25:00] those who were active prior to their diagnosis are going to have better outcomes prior and during their treatment are going to have better outcomes than those who were inactive. So I think that's more where the research is at, not necessarily. Okay, who was active and who got diagnosed, um, but rather like these individuals or more active people were less likely to Vince: break that research down even further, of course, and then look at the type of cancers they were diagnosed with. Exactly. You can say, okay, these types of cancers, you could be Lance Armstrong. Yep. You, if, if, if you win the lottery, you get, you get diagnosed, it doesn't matter. But there are other forms of cancer where... Yeah. If you are more sedentary and, and don't work out, you might have a higher probability of being Danielle: diagnosed with that. Yeah. And I wish I had the infographic memorized in my head, but they do have, uh, ACSM has an infographic about a study that just came out that being physically active. is going to reduce your risk of at least seven different types of cancer. And that's like breast [00:26:00] cancer, prostate, lung, um, a lot of your big ones. So just being more active in general, like we said, it reduces, does not remove. Right. So that's a big thing there too. Vince: Yeah. Danielle: Do you ever work with any, um, local gyms, physical therapists or things like that? So if it posts that are out of your care to continue, um, with any programming going forward? Um, sometimes. So one of the big programs that we, C is Livestrong through YMCA. Um, and then Hendricks County also has a exercise program, but mostly I will refer to friends or people that I know. Um, but really we try to keep our PT patients with our oncology trained physical therapists. But obviously if I have a patient who lives in. Columbus or Bloomington or Fort Wayne, I'm not going to be like, excuse me. No, you have to drive three hours to see me. Um, so I try to reach out to community resources, but I do provide at home exercise programs for people to do on their own. [00:27:00] And then when they come in, I'm say, okay, let's tweak that program. See what's working. Let me watch you move. What is going well, how. frequently are you actually doing this exercise program? Um, and things like that. Okay. Yeah. Vince: And then in March telling them to Danielle: participate in fit for heroes. Yes. Yeah. Come, come spin, come walk. Exactly. Yes. It's perfect. Well, we kind Vince: of touched on how to improve cancer related fatigue using exercise that I know that was a podcast that you've done previously and talked about that there. Was there anything we didn't cover that might fit into that category that you'd want to share? Danielle: I think the biggest thing is just getting up and moving. Um, So, like, it's been shown that aerobic activity at least three times a week for 30 minutes at a moderate, uh, intensity is going to be the most beneficial. And I could share an infographic with you because it's really nice and it's a piece of education I give a lot of my patients, but it has like, okay, if you have this symptom, this is the dosage that has been shown by the research that is the most beneficial, but a majority of it, it is at least three minutes, three minutes is at [00:28:00] least three days of 30 minutes of aerobic activity and two times a week of some sort of strength training. And it's been seen to help improve sleep, anxiety, depression, cancer related fatigue. And so that can, I think the big thing a lot of people get hung up on is like, so what is that? And it's like, it's what you can. Do. So if you have walking paths around you, that's awesome. Do 30 minutes of walking. If it is Cycling that you enjoy doing or you have a recumbent bike and it's a hundred and million degrees outside, do the recumbent bike. If it's just walking your dog or playing with your kids for 30 minutes. Or chasing ducks around your pond, I don't know, I was trying to find a bit of security. Yeah, I was trying to find a bit of security. It's an activity I do quite often on the weekends, actually. Yeah, trying to scare off geese. Yeah, that's me, that's me, yeah. Trying to keep them out of my yard, you know. Yes, danger noodles are something I've heard. Oh no, there's snakes, never mind. [00:29:00] Right. But, um. So just trying to find what works for you. If that's Zumba, if that's online yoga, just anything that works for them and you as a human is what's going to be right and you know getting as One of my favorite Peloton instructor says like getting a nice little donut glaze look going on a little breathless Getting your heart rate up is gonna be the best thing you can do. And so I think we get more Hung up on like, this is what I have to do, rather than like, what will I actually do? Um, and how much do I need to do? And like, we get very nailed down into the nitty gritty. And so I think that's the biggest thing that I always like to touch on is like, 30 minutes three times a week has been shown to help, so start there. And then if you're like, man, I love... Doing this. Like, okay, great. Add another day. Right? Mm-Hmm. . Okay, Vince: great. And vary it. Yeah. To keep it exciting so you're not doing the same thing every time. It makes sense. Exactly. Danielle: That's why I ended up doing power lifting and, and weight and triathlons. Trilon. Yeah. [00:30:00] So that's the big thing I like to touch on. And um, I think it was in a talk I was listening to where like, something is better than nothing. Right? And that's another big thing that both. ACSM says and a lot of exercise physiologists and exercise, um, oncologists will talk about it's like just doing something is better than nothing. Um, because again, I heard this through somebody else and I loved it. So I'm not going to say that I came up with it, but I kind of said it earlier is it's a vote for yourself. Every minute you do a little bit of exercise is a vote for yourself and your health. And so it doesn't have to be, you know, 45 minutes, it can just be five, and that is still a vote for what you want to get done and accomplish that day. Yeah, Vince: I like that. Vote for yourself. That's good. Alright, well you know the cornerstone of the Summit's podcast is sharing your cancer stories. So Dani, what is your cancer Danielle: story? Well, it's funny because I, when I started in cancer rehab, [00:31:00] and like, you know, literally kind of just stumbled into a room of cancer rehab, I didn't have a lot of, impact of cancer in my life. Um, now obviously working in cancer rehab, I have a lot. Um, but my dad was diagnosed with prostate cancer when I was in college. Uh, thankfully he just had to have some radiation and it was pretty, um, uneventful, but then I've actually had a great uncle die of multiple myeloma. I have, my grandma has some sort of obscure blood cancer and then my grandfather in law. Just was recently diagnosed with cancer. So it's interesting because I started it because I just loved the people I worked with and then cancer has made its prevalence in my life, uh, more apparent as I've gotten older, which is pretty common. Um, but so. I think that's kind of what keeps pushing me, but it's also my patients. Um, as I started working as [00:32:00] a clinical research coordinator in Peds Hemonc, that kind of solidified that I wanted to stay in this field. Um, because, you know, kids, they didn't, they didn't sign up for this. And so to watch these little fighters just, they have, they have no. Like, reprieve. They will be like, I'm gonna keep going. You watch me. And so, I think that's really what solidified, like, okay, like, they feel like crap and they're still working out and having a great time and showing up every day, so why can't I just continue to be there for them? So, I think that was the big thing that kind of keeps me going is I'll just, all my patience, and then, sadly, I have been impacted, but that's a majority of people at this point. Vince: Right. Yeah. That's, that's great. Watching the kids, uh, that go through what they have to go through, um, and how resilient they are. It's wild. It's, it's not only inspiring, um, [00:33:00] but it also... I don't know, it's a testament to just their thought process and there's something to be learned there for sure. Danielle: Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I think it's very interesting now. Like, it keeps me going because now, so I'm 31 now, and I have a patient who, you know, I was diagnosed at 30 as well, and so I think that's the other thing that now keeps me, as I see myself and my patients a lot more now, I'm like, oh, like, before it was like, oh, you're a 65 year old and I'm a 21 year old who was just out at the bars last night and now I'm training you to be, like, exercise, and now I'm like, oh, you are a 30 year old and I am 31, like, we are at the same point in life, and so if I can do anything to help benefit. Somebody who's on the same page as me, why wouldn't I be there for them? Yeah. Vince: Well, great. Well, um, number one, thank you for doing what you're doing. Thank you. We appreciate that. Thank you for choosing Indie. Um, we also appreciate that. And thank you for your time for coming Danielle: in [00:34:00] today and sharing. Of course. Thank you. Yeah, it was a good time. Yeah. Vince: And then, uh, we'll, uh, we'll line up that next, The next one. The remote podcast. Danielle: Okay, but so, on Tara's podcast, you asked her if she had any questions for you guys. Oh, well, we were trying to. Okay. Oh, crap. She actually watched it. I did. Yeah. Okay, so. Okay, so I have a, I don't have a tough question. Uh oh. So every week, I ask my patients. And this week was pretty boring, so we'll still ask it anyways. What is your favorite memory of the summer so far? Of this Vince: summer? Mm hmm. You go first. Well, I think... Danielle: Oh, man. We're gonna have to cut. I know. Shorten the... Yeah, we're gonna have to cut down my thinking. Um, I'd say, uh, so... Um, I have two year old twins, and so we just did their birthday party last week, or a week and a half ago. And so we did it at our house, um, so that was probably the top one of, uh, it was pretty fun to get everybody together, have them run around the backyard and everything like [00:35:00] that. So, yeah. That is a good one. Got them golf clubs. Oh, no. So I got them working out that. And I got, and I've got soccer balls, so they've got a goal and they've got golf clubs, so. Oh my gosh. Two sports are good. Yeah. That would be dangerous. I just see a two year old like running around. Uh, yeah. My son has turned them into weapons a couple times, so, but he's, he's hitting at the ball. So is Emory. That's good. That's good. So we're Vince: good. It's all good. All right. I don't, what stands out to me, I think, is so having... It's gone through last year with the, with our twins that are oldest had done their freshman year in college and it was, it was, it was adjusting to the new normal. So like all of a sudden, you know, they're, they're gone and our youngest is probably gone more than she's at home. And there was a Friday night. It's like, okay, so what's going on tonight? Nothing. And it was just like, well, shit, this is boring. Yeah. That is your favorite memory of Well, so my favorite memory of the summer is now them all coming home. Oh. And it's like, you know, the band's back together to some extent, of course. They would rather be out with their friends and doing other stuff, but, [00:36:00] and all their crap that came home that just sat there for four months Danielle: before they took it back. Why do we have five sets of twin bed sheets? Oh, yeah. Vince: That's another podcast where you're going to move them out of college and you're pulling stuff out from under the bed and it's still in its unopened box. I'm like, why the hell did I buy this the first place? But anyway, now they're all back and it's, it's quiet Danielle: again. Okay. And then I'm going to ask one more question of the week. What is your favorite treat? I did say sweet treat, but then some people don't like treat like, like sweet treats. So what is your sweet treat? Like if it's at the gas station or at the grocery store, you're like, Vince: your ears are burning. So last night, our youngest plays volleyball, was leaving here to go to her volleyball game. And I wanted to get something to drink, so I stopped by a convenience store, picked up a Smart Water and a uh, Celsius, um, and as I'm standing in line, of course you need to put the little displays by checkout, and one of them caught my eye, I have a pretty bad sweet tooth, numerous things, I don't always go to the same thing, but Sour Patch Kids. I was like, oh [00:37:00] my god, that sounds awesome, so, I'm not supposed to, but I grabbed Danielle: a bag. Well, we'll talk about not supposed to at another podcast. There's no way I like to food. Uh, Kit Kats. Ooh, that's like, if you see it, you're like, gotta get it. But they have to be frozen. I like to put them in the freezer. Do you do that with your Oreos too? Yeah, Vince: any candy bars really. Girl Scouts, Thin Mints, are freezer bound for Danielle: sure. Great, you are my people. Mine are Peach O's. Oh yeah. Those are a guilty pleasure that I'm like, if I see them at... Maybe I should just change the question to like, What's your gas station guilty pleasure? Convenience store pickup. Let's hope Vince: it's not sushi. Yeah, no Danielle: thank you. Or a roller dog. What's your gas station guilty pleasure? There we go, Vince: I like it. Or when we're sponsored by Celsius. What's your favorite brand of Celsius? Oh, you've never Danielle: had it? We have like 20 of them in the middle Vince: of the table. Shameless plugs. Yes. All right. Well, thanks again for coming in. We appreciate you taking the time. This was so [00:38:00] fun. And we're, we're happy to support what you guys are doing and hope Danielle: to continue doing so. Thank you so much because all of our equipment and my time is so appreciated. Trust me. Well. And people always walk in and they're like, this is so nice. And I was like, I know. I got to help build it. Cool. So without you guys. Uh, you wouldn't help change a lot of people's lives. Well, we're happy to Vince: do it and happy to keep doing it. Yeah. Thanks guys. You're welcome. Thank you. And thank all you guys for tuning into this episode of the Summit's podcast. From wherever you guys get your podcasts or if you're watching on the Heroes Foundation YouTube channel, thank you for doing so. Again, hit that little notification bell icon so you can be alerted when episodes like this one drop and hit the little subscribe button. And give it a little thumbs up or comment, you know, if we don't like us, tell us why we're happy to understand what's going on. We got thick skin. Yeah. Well, Danielle: maybe that Danny girl's real Vince: weird. Yeah. Well, that's okay. Comment on that too. If you want until then, don't forget beat cancer.[00:39:00]