Andrew Canion [00:00:00] I've got a new Audio Hijack editing feature plugged in… Jason Burk [00:00:03] Uh-oh… Andrew Canion [00:00:04] So if I push this button on my Stream Deck… Jason Burk [00:00:06] New Year, new… you! Andrew Canion [00:00:09] Nobody heard anything, right? Jason Burk [00:00:10] No… Martin Feld [00:00:11] No…. Andrew Canion [00:00:11] I didn't hear it either but apparently into my audio track was recorded a clap. [CLAP!] Jason Burk [00:00:16] Is that good? Andrew Canion [00:00:16] So, soon…. Jason Burk [00:00:18] Is that a good thing? You have a thing being recorded that you can't hear? Andrew Canion [00:00:21] I don’t know if I’ll use it or not but it's just nice to know if somebody swears I can go clap and it will go into the audio. Will that help Martin or is Martin just freaking out? Jason Burk [00:00:29] Wait, what? Martin Feld [00:00:30] Well, I'm editing this one, so does that mean that I'm going to hear something when I hear your recording? Jason Burk [00:00:34] You're going to hear claps. Andrew Canion [00:00:35] Only when I push the button… [CLAP!] like that! Martin Feld [00:00:38] So press it now. Andrew Canion [00:00:39] OK! Martin Feld [00:00:40] Did you do it then? Andrew Canion [00:00:40] [CLAP!] Yeah. Martin Feld [00:00:41] We hear nothing. Andrew Canion [00:00:42] I know but I see the orange lines go into my audio. Martin Feld [00:00:46] Oh no… Jason Burk [00:00:46] Oh, so this is like a marker? Andrew Canion [00:00:48] Yeah! Jason Burk [00:00:48] Did you…? Hold on! Did you record your own clap and then use that as the sound? Andrew Canion [00:00:54] No, I downloaded it from somewhere. Jason Burk [00:00:56] Oh, OK. I was hoping you just threw like a blanket over yourself, and you tried to get like the perfect clap that you could use for your own sound effect, that would be good… Martin Feld [00:01:04] Isn't it strange that he went and downloaded someone else's clap rather than doing his own? Andrew Canion [00:01:08] It feels a bit dirty! Jason Burk [00:01:09] Whose clap is this? We don't know anything about this person. Martin Feld [00:01:12] Can you choose customised claps like: *Hmmm… I want a slightly moist hand, but smaller than usual?* Andrew Canion [00:01:19] I'm just enjoying the idea of Martin editing and just like: *Bloody Andrew and his claps!* Shit! [BEEPED] Oh, sorry! Hang on… [CLAP!] There we go. Jason Burk [00:01:27] I can't wait until one of them makes it in that doesn't get edited out. [OPENING THEME] Martin Feld [00:01:45] Well, I want to extend a Happy New Year to both of you, because this is the first time that we've actually recorded in the new year. And I want to extend a Happy New Year to all listeners and sorry that 2022 will be starting off with some weird editing that may introduce…. Jason Burk [00:01:58] Claps! Andrew Canion [00:02:00] One of my New Year's resolutions was to make the editing task as difficult as possible for Martin. Jason Burk [00:02:05] Solved! Andrew Canion [00:02:06] Mission successful! Martin Feld [00:02:07] Why is that? Can can we go into that, just briefly? Why is that Andrew? Andrew Canion [00:02:11] It’s just an Australian screwing with another Australian, isn't it? Jason Burk [00:02:13] It sounds like it. Andrew Canion [00:02:14] It's what we do! Martin Feld [00:02:15] Oh, I see… West Coast versus East Coast. I'm trying to be friends here; I'm trying to avoid WA seceding or something, you know? Jason Burk [00:02:22] He's trying to bring you guys together. Andrew Canion [00:02:25] See, we succeed when we sucede. Martin Feld [00:02:28] See, that's just mean-spirited, Andrew! We’re trying to be one federation here. That's a bit—is that tautological? ‘One federation?’ You federate to make one? Anyway, dictionary corner another time… Jason Burk [00:02:41] So it's safe to say there's still turmoil between the east and west in Australia. That's great. Martin Feld [00:02:45] Apparently! Anyway, I'm pretty sure, ah, getting straight into things, Jason; I can see in the show notes here: we have a new Patreon person. You're normally our Patreon announcer, so what do you want to say? Jason Burk [00:02:55] Patreon announcement 2022 edition! Yes, Zak W. has slid into the new role of One Prime Plus extraordinaire. Martin Feld [00:03:10] IT’S IN THE GAME! Jason Burk [00:03:11] Yeah, so thank you, Zak W.. Andrew Canion [00:03:14] Can I ask a question? Just a clarification? Jason Burk [00:03:16] Yes. Andrew Canion [00:03:17] Is that Zak ‘W’ or Zak ‘U U’? Jason Burk [00:03:21] Ah, I believe it is Zach ‘W’. Andrew Canion [00:03:25] OK, so two… double ‘v’. Jason Burk [00:03:27] Yeah, like ‘WA’. It's ‘W-A’. Andrew Canion [00:03:31] Yep. Jason Burk [00:03:32] So Zak, we'll just call him ‘Zak WA’. Andrew Canion [00:03:34] Why is double—why is ‘W’ not ‘double V’? Why is it ‘double u’? Jason Burk [00:03:40] Hmm. Martin Feld [00:03:41] Well, could that have more to do with the typeface that's being used or perhaps the fact that it was named in a time where handwriting would have seen two curves? They actually would have looked like ‘U’ ‘cause they were… Andrew Canion [00:03:50] Would they have curved it? OK, OK… they didn’t, they weren't fans of the… the acute angle? Martin Feld [00:03:55] In lower case I do a little curve and then in upper case, I do the point, yeah so… Andrew Canion [00:03:59] I have to think back to the era of pen. Jason Burk [00:04:01] Yeah, remember when they didn't have computers back then? That's probably when that started. I think letters were created prior to computers (I believe). Martin Feld [00:04:09] I love that we’re dealing with the big issues right off the bat in 2022: why are letters called letters. Why is it ‘aitch’ and not ‘haitch’?! Andrew Canion [00:04:15] Oh, don’t! Jason Burk [00:04:17] Hm-mm… Martin Feld [00:04:17] Yeah, I hate that. It’s ‘aitch’. No one… it's not ‘haitch’, please. Andrew Canion [00:04:20] Yeah, Zak! If you say ‘haitch’! I'm sorry! Jason Burk [00:04:23] Oh no, no, no. Andrew Canion [00:04:24] We’re not having you anymore! Jason Burk [00:04:26] We had Zak for like a day, and now he's already gone. Sorry, Zak. Please, please don't leave. Martin Feld [00:04:33] Anyway, thank you for joining us, Zak. Thank you, Zak. And for everyone else listening if you're not in One Prime Plus, remember that we did reconfigure the prices last year to broaden access, you know, make it easier, more affordable to sign up and things like the newsletter—that’ll be going out this month. Jason Burk [00:04:49] The 10th of every month—newsletter action, sweet stickers, awesome Discord with really fun people, get in there now. Make it your 2022… what are… what are those things that people do at the beginning? Resolutions? Martin Feld [00:05:05] Yeah, ‘The Matrix Resolutions’, that's right. Jason Burk [00:05:07] Your, your 2022 ‘Matrix Resolution’ should be: oneprimeplus.com. [DeLOREAN TIME TRAVEL SOUND EFFECT] Martin Feld [00:05:19] Hello, this is Martin from the future. Well, not technically the future now, because you're listening to me, downloaded on demand in your podcast player—but that's besides the point. Why am I here? I'm here to include another shout-out. After our recorded conversation, Laker, a devoted Hemispherean and Discord participant, has joined One Prime Plus. We want to acknowledge Laker for joining the One Prime Plus clan. Thank you, and back to the show. [TRANSITION] Jason Burk [00:05:48] I think this is pretty old news at this point, and I don't even know if this is on anyone's radar, really. And I'm not a… it’s about Spotify. So disclaimer, I don't have Spotify, but it's it's related to it. So there was this um, I believe it started as a tweet from ‘A-deal’. Is that how you say that? ‘A-deal’? Is that what the kids call this one? Andrew Canion [00:06:13] I think it's ‘Adelay’. Jason Burk [00:06:14] ‘Adelay’? OK, love it. Anyway, apparently, Spotify had a thing where you could shuffle albums, which seems pretty… I feel like that's been a thing in in computer music playback forever. Andrew Canion [00:06:28] I had a six-disc stacker that could do that: Pioneer system! Jason Burk [00:06:32] There you go. So even as old as Andrew, this has been around. But I guess she was like upset that this was a feature because according to her like, and I think other artists as well, you know, they created this thing in this precise way and it should never, ever be listened to in any other way than from beginning to end the way they laid it out. And apparent… I don't know if it was directly because of that or what than Spotify got rid of the feature because of this. Martin Feld [00:07:05] Well, it moved it down a layer like Apple Music already had, I think. Jason Burk [00:07:08] Yeah. I don't care about Spotify or it just the whole thing felt like: this is dumb. Like, really? Why do you get to dictate how I listen to your music, especially when things like music now are so song-based anyway? It's like, on the radio they don't play your whole album end to end. They play a song that's popular today, and hopefully they'll play it next week too. I don't know. I just the whole thing felt like: what? What is happening here? And maybe I'm maybe I'm overthinking this. Andrew Canion [00:07:41] I have a philosophy. Well, maybe not philosophy, but a thought. It depends on whether you consider an album to be like a novel or a series of short stories. Jason Burk [00:07:52] OK. Andrew Canion [00:07:53] So is an album a complete thing that you would read as a book from page one to page last? Or is it, you know, an anthology of stories that you can just dip in or dip in on? Read one, read the other one, doesn't matter there. I guess she's taken the view that this is a complete piece of work that you should… builds a mood through an album from track one to track, whatever, 10, and you need to listen to it in that order. So you shouldn't shuffle; by shuffling it, you're undermining the entire story. Jason Burk [00:08:23] OK, Martin? Martin Feld [00:08:25] When I looked at some of the articles that have been put up about what Adele requested and what Spotify ended up doing, the way that I saw it reported in a number of articles was that Spotify removed the default option of shuffle, which leads you to think, *Oh, well, the default action… the default option was shuffled order*, which is not the case. It was just the button and they didn't remove the button entirely; they just moved it down a level of the UI, kind of like what Apple already has when you click that little hamburger list button. Right? That's my understanding. And if anyone out there is listening and wants to correct me, go for it. But that's what I found. So, it's actually more of a design decision, rather than removing the feature entirely, it's just somewhat hidden. And I agree with Andrew that if you want to listen to an album, it's probably best to listen to it in order because whether it was done with a flowing story as a concept album or a beginning-middle-end or if it was just a bit of a mix anyway, because that's just the order they liked. I think it's good to start from beginning to end and… and a good example: I think I'm quite a fan of the Muse album ‘Drones’. I don't know if you two have listened to that, but there's actually a flowing story through the songs where this person becomes kind of weaponised as part of this drone theme within Muse’s war story. And then it has this big crescendo, almost like a big dystopian musical at the end that rounds out the story. So if you were to listen to that the first time out of order, it would make absolutely no sense and the actual concepts would be thrown out of whack. Following that, if you go, *Oh, I like number three better than number one*, and you want to flip it around, that's cool. But I'm not super-bothered by Spotify making a different design decision, and if it makes people happy, then that's totally fine. I think what I find funny in terms of Adele's request, though, is that we talk about listening to an album in order—and I feel like I'm going to contradict myself now—we talk about listening to an album in order as if it's the natural state of affairs, as if albums have always existed, when really it's just a capitalist invention, because that's how music used to be marketed, and it's kind of holding on in this shuffle era. So, if Adele puts effort into making a story and she wants you to listen to it in order, fair enough, we should try listening to that story. But I don't think we should pretend that the medium was always this way and that it should stay that way and static for the rest of eternity, if there’s a better or a different way to do it, or we have a technological affordance that means it can be enjoyed differently. So I think everyone's kind of right, but we shouldn't be slamming people if they want to listen to something differently. [TRANSITION] Martin Feld [00:10:55] Not so much a New Year's resolution, but just because I have some more time at the moment being on holiday, I wanted to engage in a digital clean-up, and I'm not just talking about files clogging up my computer or folders that are messy. I actually mean physical media and drives that have digital crap everywhere. I mean, we're obviously kind of different ages; when I was a kid in the Noughties, we’ll put it that. Jason Burk [00:11:19] Uh-uh…. Martin Feld [00:11:22] I was, I was into computers but obviously storage was much more expensive and you had much less space. So I was sharing a family computer. I eventually got my own laptop, but because I was into making movies and taking lots of photos, I was kind of the family photographer or historian. I quickly hit the limits of my digital media constantly and was forced to within bounds and trying to do Time Machine back-ups and keep copies of things, having to offload to drives to the point that I started to think that I lost things recently. And so I've been doing this huge clean-up and trying to consolidate all of this stuff from all of these different drives and in the process, I've been relieved time and time again to find that I never actually lost things. So it's been like the most wonderful start to the new year going, *Oh my goodness, I didn't lose photos from this trip; oh my goodness, I didn't lose this home video; this is fantastic.* Just put in the newer iMac Mini and back up this stuff. So, that's been a great start for me, and it's now actually making a bit of space so I can recycle these drives. Have either of you two ever engaged in that kind of digital clean-up or do you have problems to deal with? Maybe starting with you, Andrew? Andrew Canion [00:12:28] Um, I like the fact that you refer back to being in the Noughties when hard drives were expensive. I can still… Martin Feld [00:12:34] Oh I know! It was worse before! Andrew Canion [00:12:35] I can still remember being a youngster with my Amiga 500 and lusting after—some people might get this reference—the GVP 52 megabyte hard drive. Martin Feld [00:12:47] Wow. Andrew Canion [00:12:48] And it was amaz-… slotted into the side, 52 megabytes! I think it was actually like 50 but the 52 was kind of like the formatting headspace or or it was the was… the 10-24 base… base-eight, base-10 count. I don't know. It cost about 1000 bucks, mate…. Martin Feld [00:13:03] Mmm… Andrew Canion [00:13:04] 50 megabytes. Martin Feld [00:13:06] Wow. Andrew Canion [00:13:06] It was incredible. The Basic and the Commodore One didn't fit neatly with the profile of the Amiga 500, and it was only a 40 megabyte hard drive, OK? The GVP was svelte and had an extra 10 megabytes. So I know the pain of storage and trying to figure it all out. Moving to the more current time I actually find myself, I don't have lots of hard drives stacked around anymore. I have one Thunderbay drive array but even that is not heavily used. It has photo back-up; it has some media files. I don't actually create a lot of digital content anymore. Martin Feld [00:13:46] OK. Andrew Canion [00:13:46] And I look around; I’m like, *I don't have much stuff*, and everything I have is usually on some syncing platform somewhere anyway. So it kind of ends up being everywhere. So it's almost a problem that I don't have anymore. Martin Feld [00:14:00] Is that because you dealt with it already or you were never creating a lot of stuff in the first place? Andrew Canion [00:14:04] I think I'm naturally a neat kind of person, so I loved the delete button. I'll delete things. Martin Feld [00:14:10] Right…. Andrew Canion [00:14:11] I don't keep everything I ever produced, which may be a blessing or a curse, depending on how you look at it. So I don't have a huge backlog of stuff from my past. Martin Feld [00:14:21] Maybe it's just different, different habits or something because I have all of this stuff from, as I said, when I was a teenager and I was kind of the unofficial amateur videographer for Jodie's soccer team for years, and I used to do endless disc image burning for every kid on the team and kept things in the fear that someone would say, ‘Oh, little Johnny didn't get something!’. Andrew Canion [00:14:40] So would you keep the source files or would you just keep the the end product? Martin Feld [00:14:44] I kept everything. Andrew Canion [00:14:45] Yeah, I would delete everything except the end product. I'd be like, *Right, well I’ve mastered it; I'm never going to go back to that source material again; delete’. Jason's got like terabytes and terabytes of storage in his house. I think. Martin Feld [00:14:57] Yeah, he was nodding big time. Jason Burk [00:14:58] I like keeping everything. I, I have major regrets from from my early, early first computer days of projects that I would do little like stop-motion movies and stuff. And because storage was just it was very finite. You know, it was either on the hard drive, which was maybe I don't know, back then it would have been maybe hundreds of megabytes, I guess, for a large one. Other than that, it was, you know, your floppies that held a megabyte. And for whatever reason, that stuff is lost to time, which I think about all the time, how much I would love to have all of those little stop-motion movies and just dumb crap that really has no effect on anyone. But it just would be so fun to go back and see those like, I'm sure the images were probably like 320 by 240 from just this, you know, really crappy first-generation webcam. But a lot of that stuff, I don't have any more. And then I lost a tonne of stuff on my original blog because of that. I think that was from like ’90… I don't even remember the dates now. It's on my blog now, it says with the little sad face with a tear. But after that, it was pretty much like, I'm never going to lose anything again, no matter what. I don't care what it takes, I will not lose stuff anymore. So now for a while, I went through having, you know, bunches of bigger and bigger, progressively larger hard drives. Now I just have a giant array. I think it's 26 terabytes or something like that… Andrew Canion [00:16:39] Geez! Jason Burk [00:16:40] …which is insane to even think about now thinking back to those one megabyte floppy disks. But I think it's 26 terabytes and it's probably half full, roughly. Martin Feld [00:16:52] Wow. Jason Burk [00:16:52] It's almost almost a terabyte of photos is on there, and videos too, and then that's all backed up to like Backblaze as well, so they love that. But yeah, I keep everything, raw materials, every single iteration, you know, they'll be. If it's a thing I'm working on, it'll be V one two three four five six seven eight. All of them. Andrew Canion [00:17:13] Wow. Jason Burk [00:17:14] Just in case…. Martin Feld [00:17:15] Way more than what I'm dealing with! Jason Burk [00:17:17] Yeah, I just, you know, most of it, if this if this 24 terabytes, you know, proofed into the Aether, would it be the end of the world? Not really. But just knowing that I have it, I think it's like a comfort thing at this point, knowing that I just don't want to ever be in that position, where: *Shoot? Where is that thing that I I completely promised the world I would never need again?* And here I am, wishing I had it. So I keep everything. Do you have stuff stored on DVDs still at all or like data? Martin Feld [00:17:50] I do have those things floating around and often photos from relatives, so things that were given to me that I never got around to doing because it was tedious. Jason Burk [00:17:57] Those are the worst, some of those earliest like CD-Rs that were real dodgy because they were expensive. So we bought the, you know, the hundred spindle for super cheap. And now you pull them out of the drawer and it's just taking off and you're like, *Oh, no…* Martin Feld [00:18:12] Yeah, it's bad. It's an archaeological kind of nightmare and delight at the same time to discover these things. Andrew Canion [00:18:18] For a while, I would do spindle back-ups and you'd have like little post-it notes stuck at the side of it to be like, *I got up to that disc; I can go from this disc forward now*—just ridiculous kind of management of these… Martin Feld [00:18:30] That’s Finder-tagging pre-Mavericks; you were just Post-it-noting… Andrew Canion [00:18:33] Everything on a Post-it note! [MEDIA CORNER THEME] Martin Feld [00:18:51] It's time for Media Corner. We've just heard the fantastic theme… Jason Burk [00:18:54] We did. Martin Feld [00:18:55] …by Mr. Alex Canion. Jason Burk [00:18:57] Followed by a hand clap, hopefully. Andrew Canion [00:19:01] [CLAP!] Yep, done. Martin Feld [00:19:02] There was a clap there? Thanks. Editor says ‘thanks’. Andrew Canion [00:19:05] I bought this Streamdeck; I’m determined to use it. Jason Burk [00:19:09] Oh, have they made a new one of those, by the way yet? Andrew Canion [00:19:11] I don't think so. Jason Burk [00:19:12] Or is it still the same one? Andrew Canion [00:19:13] I think it’s the same one. Jason Burk [00:19:14] Oh, OK. Andrew Canion [00:19:15] I hardly use mine. I forget that I have it just… it’s a bit like the Touch Bar, just sits here and I forget that I have it. Jason Burk [00:19:21] I'm interested in one when they actually… whenever they rev it. Andrew Canion [00:19:24] Yeah… Jason Burk [00:19:25] Because I don't like the current one. I don't like the way the buttons feel. Andrew Canion [00:19:29] A bit squishy. Jason Burk [00:19:29] Yeah. Andrew Canion [00:19:30] It feels like an ATM that too many people have used over too many years. Jason Burk [00:19:33] So is that Media Corner? Martin Feld [00:19:36] Yeah it is! Actually, for any new listeners, for any new listeners in 2022, Media Corner is our segment where we make recommendations of different things we’ve been watching, reading, playing: anything that is technically a medium, so it can be very broad. That’s just about everything. And we also keep a Craft note, actually, if you haven't seen it before, we link it the show notes, its linked on the website so you can see all previous recommendations and jump in. Andrew Canion [00:19:58] It gets to a philosophical question. Media—what is media? Martin Feld [00:20:03] Do you want to open that up with me? Really? Andrew Canion [00:20:06] No, I don’t! That would be a disaster. Jason Burk [00:20:07] It's an album that you listen to from beginning to end without stopping. Andrew Canion [00:20:11] Can you imagine Martin just being asked, ‘Martin, please tell us what media is’. Jason Burk [00:20:16] Don’t. Martin Feld [00:20:16] I can actually tell you very quickly what it is. Jason Burk [00:20:18] We’re on a strict time budget, strict time budget. Martin Feld [00:20:21] OK, here we go. I'll just tell you what it is. Andrew Canion [00:20:23] Oh no, I’m sorry. Martin Feld [00:20:25] No, no, no, no. It's very it's very quick! Within the field of media ecology that forms my own studies and research, a medium or media is actually synonymous with technology. So basically anything in the world that is a human-made tool from a television show through to an Apple Watch through to a table, even light, they're all media because they extend or amputate, as Mr. Marshall McLuhan said, anything that is a human capability. And there you go. Andrew Canion [00:20:53] So why do we have a Media Corner segment? Our whole show is just Media Corner. Jason Burk [00:20:58] Because it’s part of the branding. Martin Feld [00:20:59] Because we have assumed in the naming of the segment… Andrew Canion [00:21:02] Oh the branding! Martin Feld [00:21:02] …that we're talking about news or entertainment media specifically, but that would be too cumbersome to say. Andrew Canion [00:21:07] We need a new jingle. Jason Burk [00:21:08] Also branding. Martin Feld [00:21:09] Yeah, branding. [EXCERPT OF MEDIA CORNER THEME] Andrew Canion [00:21:14] News and entertainment media corner. Martin Feld [00:21:16] So now that we've had Academic Corner within Media Corner, Jason do you want to kick us off? Jason Burk [00:21:19] This is just corner now. Oh, I would love to. I've got one today. And since we were talking about music, I'm going to go with the music route. And it's not going to be an album from beginning to end. So…. Martin Feld [00:21:32] Oh no! Jason Burk [00:21:33] …boom! This is a little bit nostalgic for me. And then I was doing a little bit of research, so I don't know. Well, I know Martin thoroughly researches any music that he ever hears, so he knows, like every… where they were born, what they eat for breakfast, all that stuff. I generally know nothing about any music that I listen to other than just hearing the music, right? So it's like, I wonder, what's the what's the story here? So my pick for the first Media Corner pick of 2020 V3 is Knife Party. Martin Feld [00:22:06] Wow, really? Jason Burk [00:22:07] Either of you heard of this? Andrew Canion [00:22:08] Geez! No, I'm not. Martin Feld [00:22:10] Yes, I’m aware of Knife Party! Jason Burk [00:22:12] Yeah you are. Martin Feld [00:22:12] I had to listen to it many times while my friends were drunk around me and I drank tea. Jason Burk [00:22:16] I love Knife Party. Knife Party comes from actually Pendulum, which is actually where I knew them from previously. So they were Pendulum, and then they did like this offshoot thing: Knife Party. Where are they from? Good old Australia. Where? WA, Perth. Andrew Canion [00:22:36] How? I probably know these guys. Jason Burk [00:22:39] They're probably your best friends and I'm ashamed… I'm so mad you've not introduced me. So this just came up on the iPod. On the iPod? No…. Martin Feld [00:22:49] That's mine! That's my line! Jason Burk [00:22:53] On the HomePod, the other pod that's in our house. It just was one of those where I was playing for my library randomly and it came on. I was like, *God, it just I just love everything they do*. Andrew Canion [00:23:02] Wow. Jason Burk [00:23:03] So I wanted to put it in as a pick because I'm not sure anybody's really heard them or heard of them. And then as I was doing this research and I was like, *Wait, Perth, really? Come on! Like, what are the odds of that?* So there you go. Pendulum is great. Knife Party is awesome. They're very different. So if you're not into Knife Party, go check out Pendulum because it's much more, I guess, sane would be a way to say it, but Knife Party is very they're just like, they go hard. They are… they're just great. Please go listen to them, check out some of their stuff. And if nothing else, they're from Perth. So you know, they're, you know, their Perthonalities, obviously. Andrew Canion [00:23:42] Yeah. Martin Feld [00:23:42] And to tack on a little recommendation that isn't mine, but links to yours, Jason, if we're talking about the same Pendulum, they also did a fantastic and very popular remix of the ABC News theme from Australia. Andrew Canion [00:23:55] Oh, I think I've heard that! Jason Burk [00:23:57] Did they really? Martin Feld [00:23:57] Yeah, we'll have to link that in the show notes; that really did well in the clubs. You know, people were dancing to classic newsreader theme, so check that out. Jason Burk [00:24:06] There's a Knife Party song that even has a reference to Crocodile Dundee. So, there you go. Andrew Canion [00:24:12] Wow…. Martin Feld [00:24:12] That's not a Knife Party; this is a Knife Party! Jason Burk [00:24:14] Yeah, we saw them live at… We went to a New Year's thing a couple of years ago, a Knife Party thing. What do you call those? Concerts, I guess? Martin Feld [00:24:25] Oh yeah. Jason Burk [00:24:26] And oh God, they just they smash so hard. It's they're just great. And it was around… I think it was around 2017, maybe 2018. I don't know. I can't remember now, but I'll put a picture in the show notes. They're great. So that is my pick for 2022: Knife Party. Martin Feld [00:24:44] Fantastic. Andrew Canion [00:24:45] I like it. Well, I don't know if I like it. I'll give it a listen then I'll tell you if I like it. Jason Burk [00:24:49] I'm going to just go ahead and tell you right now, Andrew, you don't like Knife Party. Andrew Canion [00:24:54] OK. Jason Burk [00:24:54] Yeah, I can tell you that right now. You might be OK with Pendulum kind of as a as a chill, relaxing kind of background music in the house… Andrew Canion [00:25:04] OK. Jason Burk [00:25:04] …like, you know, doing chores or something, but I can already guarantee you don't like Knife Party. And we know Martin doesn't either. So…. Andrew Canion [00:25:10] Alright, got that out of the way. Martin Feld [00:25:11] There you go, well, we'll have some follow-up in the future, Andrew, if you like them or not. Jason Burk [00:25:15] Who's next? I don’t know. Martin Feld [00:25:16] Yeah, I'll go next unless andrew, do you have a burning desire to be second? Andrew Canion [00:25:20] No, I've got a burning desire to be third. Jason Burk [00:25:22] He wants, he wants to be the closer. Martin Feld [00:25:25] Great. So Natasha and I watched the movie the other night on SBS World Movies, but I'm sure you can get this in other places if you're not from Australia. We thought it looked interesting. The English title for this Icelandic movie is less appealing to me than the original title. Jason Burk [00:25:39] That’s the most Martin, like, statement ever: ‘the English title for this Icelandic film is…’ Martin Feld [00:25:46] Yes, so it's a movie called ‘Virgin Mountain’, but the original title is ‘Fúsi’, which is ‘F’, ‘U’ (with a little acute) and ’S’, ‘I’. So…. Jason Burk [00:25:55] Hand clap! Andrew Canion [00:25:57] Yes! Definitely! Don’t say ‘Fúsi’ too many times without it. Jason Burk [00:26:01] Gotta hand clap that now. Martin Feld [00:26:02] Did I say something rude without knowing it? Jason Burk [00:26:03] No. Andrew Canion [00:26:04] Ah… you'll figure it out later. Martin Feld [00:26:06] Oh, damn it. OK, well, it's just the name of the guy who's the protagonist in the film. I'm sorry. Anyway… Andrew Canion [00:26:12] The guy’s name is Fúsi? Martin Feld [00:26:14] Yes, it's an Icelandic name. Andrew Canion [00:26:15] OK. Jason Burk [00:26:16] OK. Andrew Canion [00:26:16] OK. Jason Burk [00:26:17] Go ahead. Martin Feld [00:26:18] At least Nordic, anyway. So you can kind of consider this as a very heart-warming but also very soul-crushing Icelandic equivalent to ‘The 40-Year-Old Virgin’. Andrew Canion [00:26:30] Wow. OK. Jason Burk [00:26:33] What the Hell just happened right now? That is not anywhere near where I thought you were going. Martin Feld [00:26:39] OK, well hence the name ‘Virgin Mountain’. Jason Burk [00:26:41] Sure. Martin Feld [00:26:42] But what I want to make clear here is that if you enjoyed the ‘The 40-Year-Old Virgin’, which is a comedy with Steve Carell, for those who haven't seen it or don't know, it's from what, 2004 (I think)? Anyway, that's a very over-the-top kind of silly, very funny movie. This is actually, I would say, quite realistic. It looks at a lot of issues like and I'm sorry if this sets anyone off or triggers anyone in the audience, but it deals with a lot of things like depression and loneliness and a lot of heavy family themes. And it really follows this guy who I would say is probably the nicest character I've seen in the history of cinema, at least all the movies I've ever seen. And it kind of shows how people who are ridiculed by society are completely overlooked or not really understood. This guy means well—great intentions. He's just incredibly reserved. And you kind of see how, despite being downtrodden repeatedly, he's actually the nicest guy and goes above and beyond to do things for other people, even people he's only just met. So if you're after something that's funny, endearing, but also quite sad, it's only like an hour-and-a-half long. It has these wonderful moments of awkwardness and silence in it. I’d highly recommend ‘Virgin Mountain’ or the title in Icelandic that I’m apparently not supposed to be saying. Jason Burk [00:27:55] OK. Andrew Canion [00:27:55] Does it have the soundtrack by Sigur Rós? Martin Feld [00:27:57] I didn't hear them in it, which is interesting, actually, because normally they're shoehorned in just about anything, but you could play them in the background if you wanted. I could just recommend some tracks. Andrew Canion [00:28:05] Get the right ambience. Yeah, have you noticed we (me and Jason) always seemed to derail your Media Corner picks? Martin Feld [00:28:11] Yeah! Jason Burk [00:28:11] I haven't noticed that. Andrew Canion [00:28:12] OK. And also, have you? Martin Feld [00:28:15] That's OK. I don't. I don't hold it against you. I just edit out boring bits from you afterwards. Andrew Canion [00:28:20] I notice. Before I… Jason Burk [00:28:22] No wonder I'm never on the damn show. Andrew Canion [00:28:25] It's a, it's a two-man podcast! Martin Feld [00:28:26] Actually, if you look at the timeline… I'm always if you look at the timeline, though, I always have like the fewest actual bars of spoken dialogue. Andrew Canion [00:28:35] I do notice that and I feel guilty about it sometimes. Jason Burk [00:28:36] I take no credit for that. I'm not editing ever, so that's on you. Martin Feld [00:28:40] I don't bring that up as a complaint. I just I just before anyone thinks that I'm editing both of you out. Ah, excuse me. Andrew Canion [00:28:48] Look, Martin, if you just say something interesting from time to time, we might include you. [MARTIN LEAVES.] He's gone. Jason Burk [00:28:57] Wow, we got one show into the year and that was I made a joke last show that it was the last show ever. I think it's actually this one. [MARTIN RETURNS.] Martin Feld [00:29:05] I just thought I'd move away from the microphone to give you some more air time. Andrew Canion [00:29:10] OK I've got a Media Corner. I've got to… Jason Burk [00:29:12] Oh right. Andrew Canion [00:29:13] I have a statement and then and then a selection. OK statement: I finished a book and realised that I had to log the fact that I finished the book on about 12 different book-reading sites and it made me angry, so if somebody… Martin Feld [00:29:26] Now this is the most Andrew thing I've heard in the history of the podcast. That's part of the, the, the state protocol of WA is that upon reading a book, you must log it in 12 different library locations or… Jason Burk [00:29:38] I’m Andrew Canion [00:29:38] I’m serious, it took me longer to log the book than to have to read it. Jason Burk [00:29:43] I had to go to who's forcing you to do that? That's terrible of them. Andrew Canion [00:29:45] Just think about it. There's there's Goodreads, there's Micro.blog Epilogue thing. There's Literal, there's the Storygraph. Jason Burk [00:29:55] Never heard of it. Andrew Canion [00:29:56] I think there might be another one. Jason Burk [00:29:57] Probably. Andrew Canion [00:29:58] And I don't know which one is the good one. Right? So I'm just using it, doing it everywhere. It's ridiculous. I need a solution. Jason Burk [00:30:04] Can I propose a solution? Andrew Canion [00:30:06] Sure. Jason Burk [00:30:07] Read the book and then be done. Andrew Canion [00:30:10] Well, I would do that normally. Now this thing is another thing. I have gotten to this… digression! I've read…. Jason Burk [00:30:16] OK, go ahead, I’m here to help! Andrew Canion [00:30:17] I've read a book about six or seven years ago, and I cannot place what it was. I asked my mother-in… Jason Burk [00:30:23] ‘Clifford the Big Red Dog’. Andrew Canion [00:30:24] …and I asked my mother in law who bought me the book what, what it was. She doesn't even remember giving it to me, and I can't find any trace of it anywhere. I've done random Googles. I can't find it. It's annoying the crappers out of me. It's a book, sort of a somewhat fantasy, but like real world, but with some fantasy elements. A woman, she's in a difficult sort of situation and she has this dream of going to the islands of Dalmatia. She meets somebody and has conversations around a fountain in the town square. If anybody can please tell me what that book was, I'd really appreciate it. OK, my Media Corner pick. It's a board game. It's called ‘King of Tokyo’. Jason Burk [00:31:06] Yes! Andrew Canion [00:31:07] I have been playing it, well we've had it for a long time. Benji yesterday said, ‘Can we play that game with the dinosaurs in it and the monsters?’ I’m like, ‘What are you talking about?’ And then we found that one… when he found it, he pointed it out in the cupboard and he remembered it from the one time we tried to play it about six months ago. Amazing memory for a six-year-old! He is now obsessed with King of Tokyo, which means I've had to become obsessed with King of Tokyo over the last 24 to 36 hours. It is a fun game. We had to play it this morning before this very podcast. I think he's probably playing it now outside. He's been watching YouTube videos of other people playing King of Tokyo. Jason Burk [00:31:49] Wow. Andrew Canion [00:31:50] Now, the one thing I'm worried about is the game says it's recommended for ages 8+. So he is breaking the law, but he's grasped pretty well. I've gotten the hang of it. I really enjoy it. King of Tokyo Board Game… The good thing is one of my sort of New Year's, one of the things I want to do this year is play more active games like that, physical games. And so this the fact that he pointed this out to play it has been perfect. So I want I'm enjoying this one and I want to find more games like it. Jason Burk [00:32:16] Boy, do I have the game for you?! Andrew Canion [00:32:18] OK? Jason Burk [00:32:18] No, I'm kidding. No, I was. I was going to shamelessly self-promote. Andrew Canion [00:32:24] Oh yes. Yeah, Coffee Pot Games! Jason Burk [00:32:26] Two things! So last episode you entered your older child into the life of crime by signing them up for a Windows account that they were not old enough for. Andrew Canion [00:32:37] Yes. Jason Burk [00:32:38] Now you've entered your younger child into a life of crime by playing this board game out of the age range. Got to say you're really… really leading them down a path here. Andrew Canion [00:32:49] Look… Martin Feld [00:32:49] The next step is just buying drugs off the street. Jason Burk [00:32:51] It feels like it! Andrew Canion [00:32:52] When you become a parent, they don’t give you a guidebook; they give you a purple book from the… from the Department of Health reminding you how to give money to give them vaccinations and stuff, but there's no parenting advice in there. [TRANSITION] Andrew Canion [00:33:06] The other day, we went to a place that has a whole bunch of old video games. I was just curious to know I was looking at and thinking, do you guys, were you guys ever into the coin-ops? And do you still go now? Do you still play them? This place is kind of fun. It serves the most delicious pizza. I can? Palace Arcade. Jason Burk [00:33:27] Oh yeah! Sponsored by Palace Arcade! Andrew Canion [00:33:29] There you go! Really good. Good food. They give… Everything is simplified now. You don't actually have coins, you just have the swipe card. But it's not like, yeah, because it's not like the modern. You know how if you go to an actual commercial games place these days, they're all the ticket games…. Martin Feld [00:33:45] Like Timezone…. Andrew Canion [00:33:45] Yeah, it's like win a win those tickets get prizes. Martin Feld [00:33:49] Yes. Andrew Canion [00:33:49] Some junk. This isn't. This is more pure. This is just we've got old coin-op games from the 80s or 90s or whenever they are, and you play them. And that's it. Jason Burk [00:34:00] Yeah. Martin Feld [00:34:00] Well, my answer is going to be quick because I know that Jason has more fun things to say. Andrew Canion [00:34:04] Yep. Martin Feld [00:34:05] I'm not really into these places. I'm not against them, but I didn't really grow up with them. Natasha's big on Timezone, so in inverted commas, the ‘junk’ that you were just talking about. Andrew Canion [00:34:15] Uh-oh…. Martin Feld [00:34:15] She'll have something to say about that. She loves it. Jason Burk [00:34:18] There goes another listener. Martin Feld [00:34:19] Yep, there you go. There's another place in Wollongong called B. Lucky and Sons, which is another ticket riff on that whole thing. But it's not really my thing. Jason, your fun answer? Jason Burk [00:34:29] There is a great place in the US called Round 1. Their symbol is like a bowling pin, so they have like bowling alleys, but they have massive amounts of arcade games. Same thing. Slide the card kind of deal. Yeah, they are the best, most fun arcades. We had one where we used to live, when we were in California, pretty close to us that we'd go to pretty regularly. So much fun. We haven't been to one in many years, obviously now given the times. But once should we ever get out of any of this, we will definitely be going back to a Round 1. And I remember when I was a pre-teen slash teenager, maybe probably 15-ish or something like that, there was a place called the Nickel Arcade, which was same thing where we actually used coins, but everything was nickels. Andrew Canion [00:35:21] What's a nickel? That’s 10 cents? Jason Burk [00:35:24] Five cents. Andrew Canion [00:35:25] OK. Jason Burk [00:35:25] Yeah, so you everything was one nickel in the beginning. And then they were like, *Wait a minute, we could keep it the Nickel Arcade, but each machine could take multiple nickels per game*. And I was like, *Oh damn it*. So you'd show up with pockets full of nickels as a kid after school and just blow them all playing old slash new arcade games. And it's just so much fun. Just go with three or four friends and blow through. The new arcades, though, like the Round 1 where you can get, you know, adult beverages and so and food and stuff is like, that's pretty. Andrew Canion [00:36:01] Yeah, this is what this was like. You can have a beer. Yeah, you know, beer, pizza, food. I just want to say real credit to myself. We went and I didn't play a single game of NBA Jam. Jason Burk [00:36:12] What?! Andrew Canion [00:36:13] Usually, I know that's usually where my money goes, but I think ‘cause Benji was obsessed. We basically gave all of our credits to Benji, and he was. Jason Burk [00:36:20] How are you going to be on fire if you’re not playing NBA Jam? Andrew Canion [00:36:23] He’s heating up. Here’s the lead-up! He’s at the shoes! Jason Burk [00:36:27] I’m disappointed. Andrew Canion [00:36:28] And anyway, he played, he was obsessed with The Simpsons game. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles game. Jason Burk [00:36:35] Oh, the one with the three screens? Andrew Canion [00:36:38] No. Just the… no just a single-screen one. And it’s just a side-scroller. And yeah, you each got attack attacking. Jason Burk [00:36:45] I'm sorry, I misspoke. That was X-Men that was three screens. Andrew Canion [00:36:48] Oh OK, I think we might have had that one there. Jason Burk [00:36:49] Please do not correct me. That was not correct. Andrew Canion [00:36:50] We didn't get to that one. And Daytona was the other big hit of the day. Jason Burk [00:36:54] Oh yes. Martin Feld [00:36:55] Why is the steering always so bad on those things? Jason Burk [00:36:58] Oh, because a bunch of five-year-old kids are just racking them. Martin Feld [00:37:03] Whenever I did play something like that. I just thought, *Why is this so deliberately rubbish?* Andrew Canion [00:37:09] I always want to know why the seats never go back far enough. Jason Burk [00:37:12] Oh, because they're meant for seven-year-olds. Andrew Canion [00:37:13] Yeah. Jason Burk [00:37:14] Not for you. Yeah, the Mario Kart one is great. I love that one. Where you’re actually in a little car and you're driving around. That's fantastic. Martin Feld [00:37:21] Yeah, that's a bit different. I think that's a bit more fun and destructive. Jason Burk [00:37:24] There you go. Andrew Canion [00:37:25] So there you go! So let us know what your favourite coin-op arcade game is. I also like pinball games as well… pinball games count. Jason Burk [00:37:32] Yeah. Andrew Canion [00:37:32] Let us know what you like because I also want some suggestions. Oh, these things must be harder to come by, but they need new content. You know, that's the only problem with these places is they don't have new games to to roll in. You know, they just dealing with what's available on the second-hand market or wherever they get them from. Jason Burk [00:37:49] With the exception of one thing which I think is garbage, where they just take basically iPhone games and make them…. Andrew Canion [00:37:55] Oh, that no…. Jason Burk [00:37:56] That's just rubbish. Don't do that; just stop. Martin Feld [00:37:59] Have they done that with Angry Birds? I think I've seen that. Jason Burk [00:38:01] Angry Birds, Fruit Ninja, the list goes on. Andrew Canion [00:38:04] I don't mind. I wouldn't mind a new a new game, but it has to be built as a coin-op game. Can I throw out a question? Jason Burk [00:38:12] Yeah, you get one arcade cabinet, the full thing, in your home. Andrew Canion [00:38:19] Love it. Jason Burk [00:38:19] What do you pick? Andrew Canion [00:38:20] NBA Jam! Martin Feld [00:38:21] Can I opt out and say nothing? Jason Burk [00:38:24] Sure…. Andrew Canion [00:38:24] It's NBA Jam! Martin Feld [00:38:26] No. OK I'll think I'll try to actually think of an answer. Andrew Canion [00:38:28] The pure, the original! Jason Burk [00:38:28] NBA Jam? Andrew Canion [00:38:29] The original NBA Jam, yeah. Jason Burk [00:38:31] OK, Martin has got nothing. He’s like, ‘Ahhh…’ Martin Feld [00:38:35] I'm thinking about how much it would annoy me to take up space and I'd have to dust it. Jason Burk [00:38:39] We'll give Martin the Daytona system with the steering wheel that’s real bad. Martin Feld [00:38:43] Yeah, actually, no, that'd be good. And then I could actually try to master it and then stop complaining about it. So I'll take that. That's really the biggest one. Andrew Canion [00:38:49] We’ll only give him one seat as well. So the whole joy of the game is lost on him. Jason Burk [00:38:53] I know, like no multiplayer. Martin Feld [00:38:56] Yeah. Perfect. Thank you. Andrew Canion [00:38:58] He does like driving games yeah, you're a rally? What about your rally games? You like the rally ones. What's the rally? Martin Feld [00:39:03] But I don't like I don't like racing games that aren't built as realistic simulators. Jason Burk [00:39:09] Oh yeah, OK. Yeah, I get you. Martin Feld [00:39:11] And look, I know most people listening now probably hate me, but I'm actually not a fan of things like Mario Kart. I find it annoying that I get out of control after driving well because someone lobbed a banana at me. I really don't like that. Jason Burk [00:39:23] Yeah, I would blueshell the hell out of you every time, for sure. Martin Feld [00:39:26] And I just go, ‘Thanks, I was trying to drive well and you've ruined it, thanks’. Andrew Canion [00:39:29] You can always there's always a chance you get the bullet. Jason Burk [00:39:31] True. Martin Feld [00:39:32] But I know, but I wanna drive. I don't want to think about, *Oh, this person's in third, and I want to overtake them by putting oil slick everywhere*. Or it just I just want to drive! Andrew Canion [00:39:43] Show title! I just want to drive! Jason Burk [00:39:46] I just want to drive. Just let me drive. Mine would be Golden Tee. What's that? The golf game where you have the little, the ball. Where you, you do the ball to like, make the to do the swing. You have to like, go back for the back swing and then go for it. Or you could like spin it. Andrew Canion [00:40:03] Oh, that's not one. That's not one where you stand in and actually swing a golf…? Jason Burk [00:40:06] No, no. It's just a regular arcade cabinet with a big the only control is just one big ball that you used as your swing. It's great. Andrew Canion [00:40:15] I don't think I've ever seen that… sounds ridiculous! Martin Feld [00:40:17] I've never heard of it. No. Jason Burk [00:40:20] I guarantee Andrew, I give you like a beer and a half. You would be. You would never want to leave. You'd be there all night. That's arcade corner. Martin Feld [00:40:28] Perfect. Jason Burk [00:40:29] Do you think people like that there are corners that only happen once? Andrew Canion [00:40:32] Their nooks. We've been through this. Martin Feld [00:40:34] And talking about corners, the best place or the best corner for people to chat if you're not already part of it is the official Hemispheric Views Discord. That's the best corner to discuss all corners, and there's actually an official Media Corner chat in that overall corner. So check it out if you aren't already there. [TRANSITION] Martin Feld [00:40:51] Recently we had… wasn’t quite breakfast, it was more of a brunch, but it was very breakfasty at Natasha's grandparents’ place and what really stood out to me as usual, but even more so than usual was that the food that was served… there were breakfast items, right? There was kind of the bacon and eggs thing, there was toast and so on. But there were also other things, and I think I messaged you both about this on the day on New Year's Day. Andrew Canion [00:41:15] Cornflakes? Martin Feld [00:41:16] Well, I'm talking about there were things like chicken souvlaki, like a lunch or dinner item for breakfast and then Shapes Chicken Crimpies as snack food. Right.? So we're talking about…. Jason Burk [00:41:27] Shapes! Martin Feld [00:41:27] Yeah, Shapes. Andrew Canion [00:41:28] So the best the best shape is the Chicken Crimpy. Martin Feld [00:41:31] I think that was voted the best, at least in the last year alongside Barbecue and Pizza. Jason Burk [00:41:35] Which I have not had yet still very upset. Martin Feld [00:41:37] And they are in fact crimped. Jason Burk [00:41:38] I want to do a comparison of the Crimpy, the Chicken Crimpies and the Chicken in a Basket. Andrew Canion [00:41:45] Oh, it's not a contest: Crimpies. Jason Burk [00:41:48] I want to do a contest, but. Martin Feld [00:41:50] But you can still compare. You can have a look. But what I thought about in the process of this was why do we hold on to such traditions or norms about which food you should eat, at which time of day? Right? Because I know sometimes I think, *Oh, it's night-time. I have a craving for some cereal. I'm going to have some cereal*. Other times it's, you know, it's breakfast time. I might have a pickle with my Vegemite, and people probably think, *Why the Hell would you have a pickle at this time or with Vegemite?* So is it so strange that we introduce things that are from other meal times into a different meal time? What do you two both do? Do you have odd habits where you eat the wrong thing at the wrong time? Jason Burk [00:42:26] I don’t… I feel like this is a country-specific thing, and I feel like the U.S. is probably one of the worst offenders of the very deliberate: ‘these are breakfast, lunch and dinner foods’. You know, if I if I think about travelling to various other countries, it seems like those barriers break down a lot more. Thinking… the first thing that comes to my mind is going to Japan. Any time I go there, I can eat the same food for all three meals every day, and it's fine. There's no issue with that. If I want to have sushi at six a.m…. Martin Feld [00:43:04] Do it! Jason Burk [00:43:04] …doesn't matter like it's whatever, do what you're going to do. Even if you look at something where you go, you know various hotels will be more or less Americanised, I guess I would say, depending on where you're going. But even if you look at something that's like you're kind of spread of breakfast items. Have a piece of fish for breakfast, do whatever you want, like it doesn't matter. I find the whole delineation of breakfast, lunch and dinner to be pretty dumb. Actually, it should just be kind of it's eat food. The time of day doesn't matter. It's just eat food. I don't understand why it has to be: you can only have pancakes for breakfast. Oh, sorry, breakfast hours are over. Now it's lunchtime. I make a damn pancake for lunch. Why does it matter? Martin Feld [00:43:53] For example, bacon and egg rolls. OK, you have that at breakfast time, but bacon on a hamburger? People think, *OK well, that's a lunch or a takeaway dinner food*. You wouldn't have a hamburger for breakfast. So I think it's ridiculous too. Who decided that bacon at some time is good on something and not on another? Jason Burk [00:44:11] I think the only issue is the time of day will dictate the type of food only in such a way that the very first meal of the day probably don't want to eat like a half of a lasagne because you're probably going to be pretty sleepy for the rest of the day. Andrew Canion [00:44:29] That sounds pretty good. Jason Burk [00:44:31] So, I mean, I would do it, but it would be probably a pretty big mistake, given the rest of your day is pretty ruined because now you've just eaten a bunch of like heavy foods. So I understand that portion. But still, there's there's light, medium and heavy foods that can be divvied up throughout the day. Martin Feld [00:44:52] So you would agree that that time that I had KFC leftovers for breakfast was a mistake? Jason Burk [00:44:56] It depends on what the day was, what did you have for the rest of the day? What was going on? Did you have any? Martin Feld [00:45:00] Oh, I think out of pure guilt, it was just healthy. But not only was it the wrong time of day, at least in this case, but it lost whatever crispiness that it did have because KFC does not have that crispiness anymore. Jason Burk [00:45:09] Oh, you don't want it. Yeah, you don't want. Martin Feld [00:45:11] That was a breakfast sogfest. That's what it was. Jason Burk [00:45:14] Yeah, that's just an implementation issue, though that has nothing to do with with a breakfast, lunch or dinner. It should just be called food one, food two, food three. Martin Feld [00:45:24] Done and then decimal points for each intervening meal or snack. Yeah, like breakfast 1.1. Jason Burk [00:45:29] You know like, I'm still hungry. I'm going to have a snack 1.1. Martin Feld [00:45:33] OK, good. Jason Burk [00:45:33] Let's just get rid of the words altogether. No, it's a 1 or 2 or 3. intermittent snacks are like a 1.1 and 1.2. Andrew Canion [00:45:41] I like this. But I've been ruined because we have kids now and so, I feel like we've got to educate. We sort of have this responsibility. Jason Burk [00:45:49] Maybe that's the time. Convert them, convert them now. Andrew Canion [00:45:52] Maybe you're right. Martin Feld [00:45:52] But I remember seeing on breakfast television a few years ago, there was there was this guy who was trying to challenge exactly what you're talking about and saying, ‘Hey, ice cream earlier in the day is technically better for you because you can burn it off if you're not having it late at night when you're going to be sedentary’. So I'm not saying that's necessarily what people should do. Andrew Canion [00:46:09] You actually making me rethink! You're making me rethink my entire life at this point. Martin Feld [00:46:13] There you go. Jason Burk [00:46:14] Ice cream should be more of like a 1.2 or 1.3 versus like a 3.5. Andrew Canion [00:46:20] Yeah. Martin Feld [00:46:21] Yeah. I have felt less guilty having a dessert pancake with ice cream for breakfast because I know that for the rest of the day, I'm going to be doing fitness, or up and moving. I'm not going to be going, *Well, It's 8:30 pm dessert time; ooh, let me just sink into the lounge cushions and gag for the rest of the evening’. Jason Burk [00:46:36] I think we just solved like a really big world issue right now. Andrew Canion [00:46:40] I'm actually really taken by this idea. Cooking big dinners every night is such a… It's not what you want to be doing at that time of day. I'm much more open to cooking something interesting in the middle of the day. Jason Burk [00:46:53] I think I'm moving to the decimal system from now on, moving to the food decimal system. Andrew Canion [00:46:58] I also want pancakes now. Jason Burk [00:47:00] Yeah, I could. I could. I could eat some pancakes now, for sure. Martin Feld [00:47:03] Perfect. Andrew Canion [00:47:04] Maple syrup. Where do you stand with fruit on pancakes? Martin Feld [00:47:08] Depends on the fruit. Jason Burk [00:47:09] So waffle, I think, is more accommodating to fruit I feel than a pancake because it's got those little holes that you can kind of put fruit in. Andrew Canion [00:47:17] And you in America, you would use the spray-on cream, right? Jason Burk [00:47:21] Spray-on? Andrew Canion [00:47:22] Isn't that what you do in America? You know, the…. Martin Feld [00:47:24] Do you mean a whipped cream can? Andrew Canion [00:47:26] The whipped cream that… the can, in the tin and you go PSSSSHHHH!!! Jason Burk [00:47:29] Oh, FU@# NO! Gross. No! Andrew Canion [00:47:30] But you’re American! Jason Burk [00:47:31] You can’t put that on pancakes. Martin Feld [00:47:32] Jodie loves eating that straight out of the spray bit. Andrew Canion [00:47:35] Augh!!! Jason Burk [00:47:37] No, I don't put that on my oh my waffles… Martin Feld [00:47:39] Just shame Jodie there… Jason Burk [00:47:41] No, no, no, no. I'm not IHOP. Give me a break. Martin Feld [00:47:46] I do agree with Jason's waffle approach, particularly for blueberries. You can actually give each blueberry a little house, you know, so they don't fly across the plate. Jason Burk [00:47:55] Can I tell you what I do is I take two waffles and I cut one diagonally and then I put it on like a roof on the other one. That's a square. So you have a little house made of waffles and then you make the windows and the doors out of blueberries. Real quick, though, I just realised another problem we solved with the decimal food system because it doesn't matter what happens at each point. We've solved for food time zones because now it doesn't matter. My 1.1 is the same as your 1.1. it's all the same…. Andrew Canion [00:48:27] So we could have a shared meal. Jason Burk [00:48:28] We don't have to think like my dinner is during your breakfast. No, we can all eat a meal together because we're all. Whatever time of day it is, it's ‘Hey, it’s 3.1, do you guys want to grab a bite? Let's do it’. Andrew Canion [00:48:41] I like that. Jason Burk [00:48:42] There's a lot of problems in the world and that was one of them. That just cuts. Andrew Canion [00:48:45] And we could all go to a restaurant, pop open a FaceTime group chat and all be eating our 3.1 separately, but together. Martin Feld [00:48:52] I think we need to get this straight because a catchy name is what's needed to make this go international, and I'm going to propose that we call this the Decimeal System. Andrew Canion [00:49:00] Oh my God. Jason Burk [00:49:01] It’s done. It's already done. Andrew Canion [00:49:02] Get that domain. Jason Burk [00:49:03] FU@#! Shut it down. I'm getting the domain, and right now we're going to. Andrew Canion [00:49:06] He’s going on Pork Bun. Jason Burk [00:49:08] I'm going to Pork Bun… not calm. Andrew Canion [00:49:11] I mean, pork bun, that's a 1.0, 2.0, 3.0; I can eat a pork bun any time of day. Jason Burk [00:49:17] Pork bun is like the best. They hit all the right buttons for me, and they're right down the street. You think I could go register a domain in person? Andrew Canion [00:49:26] Knock on the front door? Hi! Jason Burk [00:49:29] ‘I’d like to the register decimeal.com please.’ Alright, let's see. Is there like a .meal? That would be really handy. Martin Feld [00:49:37] With the decimal point in it? Andrew Canion [00:49:38] Yes! Jason Burk [00:49:39] That's what I'm thinking. And that would be. Oh, that's decimeal.com. Add to cart! Martin Feld [00:49:44] He’s actually getting it! [CLOSING THEME]