Fr. Stephen Pullis: Hey, welcome to another episode of Open Door Policy. Each episode, we sit down with a joyful missionary disciple to hear about how he or she is unleashing the gospel in the Archdiocese of Detroit. Fr. Stephen Pullis: And today we're blessed to be joined with Kathleen McCann, the executive chairman at United Road Services to hear how the Lord is working in her life. Welcome, Kathleen. Kathleen McCann: Good evening, Father Steve. Fr. Stephen Pullis: Thanks. Kathleen McCann: Good to be with you. Fr. Stephen Pullis: Thank you. And of course we have everyone's favorite guest host. Danielle Center: Oh my God! Fr. Stephen Pullis: Danielle. Danielle, how are you doing? Danielle Center: Hey, we're co hosts. How are you? What kind of graces are in your life? Fr. Stephen Pullis: I'm doing great. Thanks, Danielle. Well, lots of quarantine graces these days. I like writing and I rarely get a chance to write. And so these days that are a little bit quieter, a little bit less opportunities to do other things, have allowed me to do a little more writing, some that I've been able to share and some that is just kind of internal right now. And so I'm really grateful for that. What's God doing in your life, Danielle? Danielle Center: Thanks be to God. I also had some chance to work on some more art. But what I was going to say is, I've just been really thankful for the friends in my life, the support system. Even though we don't see each other, we do stay in touch with texting throughout the day and that is a big grace. It means a lot to have someone that you can share with. So yeah, good to be here. Fr. Stephen Pullis: Awesome. God is working in awesome ways and we'll get to hear a lot about that in Kathleen's life. So are you ready to jump into rapid fire questions, Kathleen? Kathleen McCann: As ready as I'll ever be. Danielle Center: Okay, I will ask the first five and then if you have you want to give us a quick answer and then we'll go back and go into them more deeply later. Danielle Center: So the first question, what was your first job? Kathleen McCann: I was a babysitter. Danielle Center: What is the most beautiful church you have ever visited? Kathleen McCann: I would say, locally it would be Old St Mary's. Internationally, I have Our Lady of Czestochowa, there's a side alter that has this beautiful sculpture of Mary's assumption and the crowning waiting to happen. And it's just... It's just stuck with me. It's just gorgeous. So those two would come to mind. Danielle Center: Love it. What was the most recent song that was stuck in your head? Kathleen McCann: I guess this would qualify as a song, but the Divine Mercy Chaplet. Danielle Center: Yeah! Kathleen McCann: I can't make it go away. Not that I need to make it go away. It's probably a good thing to have in the back of your head all the time, but that music is just there after this past week. Danielle Center: Sure. In which fictional world would you like to live. Kathleen McCann: Wow, that's a really tough one. Fr. Stephen Pullis: In a non-coronavirus world? Kathleen McCann: Yeah, right. Fr. Stephen Pullis: It's so fictional right now. Kathleen McCann: I like that answer, actually, yeah. That's a great answer. I don't think I can top that, to be honest with you. Danielle Center: Good. And what is your favorite breakfast food? Kathleen McCann: I don't eat breakfast. Danielle Center: Oh, okay. Kathleen McCann: So that's a tough one for me. Probably cold pizza, when I... Danielle Center: Amen. Amen. Good food. Fr. Stephen Pullis: Kathleen, who would you describe as your hero? Kathleen McCann: Well, my dad certainly would fall into that category. Fr. Stephen Pullis: Yeah, that's great. What Bible verse has been on your mind lately? Kathleen McCann: Particularly in this time when we can't go to mass, I'm reminded of one of my favorite. It's from Kings, when the angel comes and says to Elijah, "Get up and eat or the journey will be too much for you." That's always been my... Ever since I first heard it, it stuck with me because I love going to morning mass and I'm going at odd times of the day in different places around the world, which is kind of neat. But I'm looking forward to getting back in that morning routine, if you will. Fr. Stephen Pullis: Yeah. Can you name a location where you had a really powerful encounter with God? Kathleen McCann: I guess, a couple come to mind. Both happened to be in church by myself. Just me and the Lord, praying. And would you like me to talk about that? Fr. Stephen Pullis: Yeah, any particular church? Kathleen McCann: Sure. Well, it was when I was at Our Lady of the Snows in Milford and I was a parishioner there. It has to be 20 years ago, before we moved around. I was praying and it was just a deep prayer time and the Lord told me that I am all you need. And it actually caused me to sit up straight. There was no question. It wasn't part of my prayer, it was an interruption to the prayer and an answer to the prayer at the same time. But it was very profound for my life. Danielle Center: Thank you. Fr. Stephen Pullis: Who's the most famous person you've met other than Danielle Center. Kathleen McCann: Oh, well, how about President George Bush? Danielle Center: Oh wow! Fr. Stephen Pullis: 41 or 43? Kathleen McCann: 41. He was doing a speaking engagement and I had a chance to say hello and have a photo with him. Yeah. Fr. Stephen Pullis: Awesome. And then the last question we have for you for rapid fire is, what is the favorite book? Your favorite book you've ever read? Kathleen McCann: Well, I mean... Fr. Stephen Pullis: You can't say, "The Bible." Kathleen McCann: I can't? Okay. Fr. Stephen Pullis: No. Kathleen McCann: All right. Danielle Center: That's a lot of books. Kathleen McCann: It is a lot of books. Danielle Center: It can be a book in the Bible. Kathleen McCann: It's a library. Fair enough. Fair enough. Probably a recent book that I've read for the second time, which is unusual for me to go back and read a book again, is Into Your Hands, Father, by Stinissen. Recorded Message: Wilfried Stinissen, born in 1927, was a Catholic priest, Carmelite monk and author. Danielle Center: Thank you. We're going to circle back to a few of these really quick. The one that I'm curious about is your dad. What made him heroic? What was he like or is he like? Is he still with us? Kathleen McCann: No, he's with God. We lost him a few years ago. So my father was a really interesting, really gifted man. He was an only child and grew up in Detroit. His father was an iconic figure, the athletic director and a Hall of Famer out of University of Detroit. My dad obviously grew up in Detroit and although he went to a business school and taught school for a while, he always wanted to be a football coach. And he started coaching in the Catholic high school leagues and then went to college and ultimately into the NFL. Danielle Center: Oh wow. He was a deeply intelligent, kind man. And he was very close to Jesus early in his life and I think fell away for a while as is often the case for some, at least for being a practicing Catholic. But for the last 30 years of his life, was a daily mass-goer and was incredibly influential in a very normal but very effective way as a model and as a guide and as a man who understood his faith deeply and could share it with ease with anyone, regardless of their station in life. So he's just wonderful. Wonderful Dad. Kathleen McCann: What a good- Danielle Center: Yeah. Fr. Stephen Pullis: Let's talk about babysitting for a minute. Were you a good babysitter? Kathleen McCann: Oh, are you kidding? Of course I was. Fr. Stephen Pullis: What does it take to be a good babysitter, as someone who has never babysat in his life? Danielle Center: Have you not? Fr. Stephen Pullis: And certainly never will. Danielle Center: Nieces and nephews! Fr. Stephen Pullis: All right, this is not about me. Danielle Center: Okay. Fr. Stephen Pullis: I'm just putting it out there. Danielle Center: I'm surprised. Fr. Stephen Pullis: Kathleen, what does it take to be a good babysitter? Kathleen McCann: Practice. I was the oldest of six kids and so it was essential that I learn how to babysit because my mom needed help so as all the kids would grow up we took on responsibility very early. Then ultimately, because you've got so much practice, the neighbors want you to... Danielle Center: Capitalize on it, why not? Kathleen McCann: Exactly. Why not? Danielle Center: I got this skillset, people. Fr. Stephen Pullis: Did you ever get paid to babysit your siblings? Recorded Message: No, no. Fr. Stephen Pullis: Danielle, did you ever get paid to babysit your siblings? Kathleen McCann: No. My siblings and I are super close in age, so even though I'm on the older end, I'm only four years older than my youngest brother. So it didn't work. Yeah, you're at the end so it didn't work, huh? Fr. Stephen Pullis: Yeah, I'm pretty much the end. Yeah. Danielle Center: I babysat other people, though. Kathleen McCann: That's right. That's- Danielle Center: I got that on Father Steve. Kathleen McCann: That's where the earnings come in, with other people. Not in the family. Danielle Center: For sure. Thank you so much. We loved hearing your stories and we really appreciate them. Kathleen McCann: Sure. Danielle Center: Kathleen, I would love to hear a little bit more about your story and where you're coming from. Danielle Center: I do know that you are the executive chair person. Can you tell us a little bit about that and how God is working with you right now? Kathleen McCann: Oh well, sure. I've been really blessed to have a terrific career. Just so you know, I never thought I would go into business. I thought I was going to be a teacher and a coach, kind of following in my dad's footsteps. But ultimately, I ended up getting a business degree and I went into public accounting. That ended up being a wonderful launching pad to go to another company where I was there for over 20 years and learned a lot of skills. We did a lot of acquisitions and divestitures and built businesses, in a lot of different industries. It was very, very interesting, just terrific. And I ended up leaving there about 10 years ago now, it's hard to believe. There was an opportunity to join United Road as their president, with an eye toward ultimately becoming the CEO. Which- Fr. Stephen Pullis: Just, for the listeners who maybe don't know a lot about United Road, could you just give us a real quick synopsis of what the company does? Kathleen McCann: Sure, sure. United Road is a very tech-forward logistics company that moves finished vehicles, which means cars like trucks and heavy duty trucks all around North America, primarily Canada and United States. And we move 4 million plus vehicles every year for new car manufacturers, new truck manufacturers, for rental car agencies, for auctions for dealerships, all kinds of different customers, 10,000 unique customers. We've got about 80 or 90 locations around the US and Canada and have nearly 3000 employees and independent contractors who are on the team. So yeah, it's such wonderful people. Yeah. Right. Kathleen McCann: And so a couple of years ago, I stepped into the executive chairman role and my successor took over as CEO. That's United Road in a nutshell. Danielle Center: And how has God been working in all of that? Kathleen McCann: Well Danielle, God has worked in every segment of my life and my career, all the way through. I never would have believed in a million years that I'd be doing what I've done or had the experience that I've had. Fr. Stephen Pullis: That you would be on open-door policy- Kathleen McCann: Oh and that, for sure! Fr. Stephen Pullis: ... to such heights as being on... Kathleen McCann: Honestly, it's really the peak of my career, this conversation. Right? Kathleen McCann: But I will share with you, when you talk about God working, a couple of different things. Number one, when I was thinking about going to United Road, I actually had a different opportunity in mind that I was sure I was going to take. And again, it was one of those times where I really wanted to please him. I wanted to do what he wanted me to do, not what I wanted to do. And I was sure I was doing something else, but in prayer it became very clear to me that this is where he wanted me to go. And it was absolutely the right decision in retrospect, every big decision I've ever made in business, that has been a good one, it has been because I stopped to pray and to ask God what he wanted me to do and to guide me in the decision making. Kathleen McCann: Certainly not every decision I've made has been the right one, but every time I've done that, it's been a good decision. How many times do you need to learn? Fr. Stephen Pullis: Right. Kathleen McCann: Right. But he's been in it through it all, particularly right now, when we look at all the struggles that industry and families are having as the deal with the coronavirus. It's been a really deep time for prayer and peace. There's urgency in everything and there's a lot of trial and challenge in everything that's going on right now. But when you have that relationship, you also can have a very deep peace that, "Hey, God's in control. He's got this. One way or another, this is going to work out." Things always work out and you got to be patient and trust that he's in control. I'm not. Right? Fr. Stephen Pullis: In your whole life, when you were a kid or growing up or early in your career, did you have that kind of foundation of your faith? Was that something that you always had with you or did it grow over time? Kathleen McCann: Oh, it absolutely grew over time. It feels a little bit like I had it very strong at an early age. I remember wanting to be, I think this happens a lot with little girls too, you like the habits and you think, "Oh, I could be a nun someday." You know? I certainly had that. And then ultimately that faded, I would say my personal investment and my faith also faded as you grow up and you the world starts flashing things in front of you and all the shiny objects that you start chasing. I chased a lot of them. Kathleen McCann: But ultimately, God is very patient and he's very good, so good. And he kept putting people in my life or putting things in my life where I just started learning again and started appreciating again the deep faith that I had been baptized into. And then the light bulb started going off and my curiosity and my desire to learn was turbocharged. And that was probably 30 years ago. Ever since, I've been on this great journey, learning more and loving every bit of it. I'm so enthusiastically Catholic. I'm so grateful to be Catholic. Danielle Center: Thank you. I'm wondering, one thing that's just frankly, really impressed, is to be such a successful woman in industry. That's not something that comes easily or something that's always handed to you. How has that been? How has your faith impacted what you feel like you're able to do or where you feel God has called you? Can you speak to that a little bit? Kathleen McCann: Oh, sure. I've never taken a job where I didn't feel completely inadequate to the task. Okay? Danielle Center: I love you, man! Kathleen McCann: Just to tell ya, and that's always been the case. Wait until they find out I don't really know what I'm doing. And I'm saying that, a little bit, just because obviously you start to build your skill set and you start to learn how to make decisions and you start to learn how to use and build a team, to pull it together one way or another, to ask the questions that you need to ask and experience is a wonderful thing. Right? Danielle Center: Oh yeah. Kathleen McCann: I wouldn't have had these experiences if there weren't a lot of really generous teachers along the way that helped me to build those skills and to forgive me when I made the mistakes that we all make along the way. Kathleen McCann: But I learned a long time ago that that God, he's in everything. You have to lead an integrated life. I can't be one person at home and a different person at work. Or one person at church and a different person at work. I have to be myself all the time. And that means that I'm a disciple and I'm an executive and I'm a wife and I'm a sister and they're all wrapped up and it has to be an authentic integration or that's a good way to go nuts, right? You try and segregate all these different things that you're involved in. Fr. Stephen Pullis: Can you share a little bit about the... I heard you speak to the Young Catholic Professionals and I know you get to do some mentoring. I don't know how much you get to do, but what's it like being on the mentoring end now and being able to share this wisdom and experience and encouragement with a next generation of people as they move up into their careers? Kathleen McCann: It's such a gift. It really is a gift. I really had that gift given to me by so many people who sometimes knew they were helping me, and a lot of times didn't know that they were helping me. Danielle Center: Sure, sure. Kathleen McCann: If you learn to pay attention, boy there are things you learn to do and things you learn not to do from the people around you. But they all teach, they all teach. It's a real grace for me to be able to share my experience and offer whatever modest help that I can to people who seek out my feedback on things. I love to do it and I'm grateful to do it. You know what's also terrific, is occasionally you'll hear from somebody that you helped me with A, B or C, and you had no idea that you helped them at the time, but words matter, things you do matter. People pay attention. And even when you're not trying, you're impacting someone else's life. So it's been a real grace. Fr. Stephen Pullis: So Kathleen, I remember when I was in seminary- Danielle Center: Seven years old. Fr. Stephen Pullis: ...many years ago. Long, long time ago. No. And I remember seeing your face, your image on the wall at the seminary. You were on the board, I believe at the time. And you've been involved in the life of the Church for a number of years, correct? Recorded Message: Oh yeah. Thankfully I have, yes. Fr. Stephen Pullis: So I'm just curious with Unleash the Gospel, with this movement that we're on as a result of Senate 16 that's like three-and-a-half, going on four years old now, how you see God has been working in the Archdiocese of Detroit this past decade or a couple of decades, being involved in some of the consultative and high-level leadership positions in the archdiocese. Recorded Message: Oh yeah. It's incredible, really. I was just saying to someone earlier, I can't wait to be 10 years from now or 20 years from now and look and see where the archdiocese is at that point. There is so much momentum, I believe, that's building in the archdiocese. Really good things are happening and we're just dripping in blessings. Not withstanding the challenges that are out there, the very real challenges. Those are, I think it was Francis de Sales who used to say, "Those are like mosquitoes buzzing around your head at the end of the day." Ultimately, the momentum has just been incredible. If you think about when our Archbishop, we are so blessed to have Archbishop Vigneron as our chief shepherd, it's just incredible the work that he's done on our behalf and the way that he is so close to the Lord and so intent on discerning God's will for the archdiocese. Recorded Message: But you think about when we started Unleash the Gospel, it was really born of a journey that had started even before that, when he got here. When he first got here, there was a significant investment that needed to be made in some of the maintenance matters in the archdiocese. We don't need to go into all that, but there was a lot of heavy lifting that he undertook. And he did it by surrounding himself with very talented clergy, very talented lay people that worked together very collaboratively to solve these problems with him. Recorded Message: But ultimately, his heart's always been about mission. And so he starts through praying about the direction. How do we change the DNA in the archdiocese? How do we become a missionary people? Recorded Message: How do we just re-envision what it means to be Church, go back to our roots, really. And so through that prayer, he put together a group of folks and started talking about what that would look like. That ultimately evolved into praying about a synod. Recorded Message: And there were a whole host of other things that happen. You think about the amazing parish conferences and the Mass for Pardon, which was one of the most powerful things that ever happened in the Archdiocese of Detroit. And then we have this amazing synod and I was graced to be able to participate in that. It was just incredible. And the Holy Spirit was at work at that synod. And then a year later we have this beautiful pastoral letter and then we have the beatification of Father Solanus Casey. Recorded Message: And then we're starting with the Catholic school's vision. We lay out a new vision. And along the way, there's still this constant prayer, constant discernment around what God wants, how does he want us to live out this document that he's graced us with, right? And we've pivoted along the way. Initially, we were going in one direction, but ultimately it became clear that really, the archdiocese as a whole through our parish families, needed to do, if you will, many synods, do their own missionary strategic plans, have their own plans on how they can become a missionary people, the ground troops of carrying the good news out there. Recorded Message: And so all of these things have just been building one on another, on another, and you see the enthusiasm, you see the involvement of our lay faithful and the excitement around actually not just worrying about maintaining the bricks and mortar of our churches, but actually doing what God called us to do from the very beginning. Is go out there and tell people about Him. Tell them about the good news, right? Let's be a heroic people. Let's be a missionary people. It's just awesome. Fr. Stephen Pullis: And all the different ways that gets done, right? I know you've been involved in the seminary now, you're very involved in Catholic schools and I know you have a heart for the work of Solanus Casey and the Capuchins. The work of Unleash the Gospel isn't one slice of the people or one particular work, but it's as varied as the people that God has created to do the work. Recorded Message: No, that's one of the beautiful things about our Church, right? There are so many dimensions and it's an inexhaustible cornucopia of ways to be involved and things to do and charisms. Fr. Stephen Pullis: Yeah, if Danielle Center and me and you, Kathleen, can all be part of this, we're all three different people, pretty different temperament or different experiences in some ways, and the way the Lord can use each of us. That's pretty awesome. Kathleen McCann: Right. Danielle Center: It's interesting because you're talking about that timeline and it was a very real timeline for me and for Father Steve in really different ways, though. Danielle Center: I was working at the chancery for some of that, Father Steve was working at the [missing audio 00:28:44] for all of that. So it's interesting for you to go back. It's all of our story, right? It's your story but the synod was important in my life and in my spiritual growth as well. So it's just really cool to hear that. Danielle Center: And then you did mention you're excited to see the church of Detroit in 2030, in 2040, in 2050. Kathleen McCann: Right. Danielle Center: What is filling your heart with hope? What are things that you're , "This is good and I'm thankful to see these things happen." Kathleen McCann: Well I have a deep appreciation for the difference one person can make and I also think that when you bring those individuals together, there's this force multiplier and my expectation is that... I have a lot of confidence. One of the good habits, Father Steve, right? A lot of confidence in God. Fr. Stephen Pullis: Confidence in God, amen! Kathleen McCann: Amen, right? And what He's doing. So I have no doubt. We have the benefit of a little bit of a rear-view mirror here, but the windshield is really exciting and looking forward as to how he's going to work with all of us. I think there are just so many reasons to be hopeful. And the primary reason is because he told us to and He doesn't break His promises. He's got a perfect track record in that regard, by the way. Okay? Danielle Center: I know, I agree, that's great. We were chatting a little bit earlier and you said something that I wrote down on this piece of paper and you said this quote, How important it is to quote, "form our children through the eyes of faith." Danielle Center: We do have a lot of families who listen and I was just wondering, what does that mean to you? How do you do that? Why is that important? Can you tell us a little bit more? Kathleen McCann: Sure. I've been very blessed to work with the Catholic schools council and the schools in the Archdiocese of Detroit for almost four years now. And it's crystal clear in Unleash the Gospel that Catholic schools are an important, critical apostolate for the Church. The schools are always going to be with us in one way or another. They are absolutely essential to who we are as a Church. There's a particular urgency today, especially with the culture, the way it is, we're a post-Christian culture in many, many ways. Kathleen McCann: I think about our children and how they're being formed through that culture. They can't learn truth. They're going to learn relativistic, small-T truths. But to understand capital-T truth is to understand what they're learning through the eyes of faith. They have zero chance at longterm happiness and wisdom unless they have that personal encounter with Jesus. And then ultimately build that lifelong relationship with Him and then share it with others. Having that lens of faith illuminates what they're learning. It doesn't detract from it at all. Danielle Center: I was just going to tell a little story. Of course, we're all in quarantine, right? I live with my parents and a few houses down are these children who are now not in school. And they ride by my mom's house on their bikes. It's a few doors down, they're little. And they knock on my mom's door and wave at her. My mom is an extrovert so she is very okay with this. So I guess she was gardening or something the other day and they were, "Hi, Mrs. Center!" They waved at her and she was like, "Hi!" They were talking to her, I think about Easter, because she had put an Easter sign up a few weeks ago. And they were like, "Oh yeah it was Easter." And she was like, "Yeah, that's right, because Jesus rose from the dead." And they were like, "Okay." And she was like, "Do you know who Jesus is?" And they went, "No." And so my mom- Kathleen McCann: Isn't that something? Danielle Center: Yeah, but that's post-Christian world, right? So my mom was like, "I didn't really know what to tell them. So I just happened to tell them the story about Thomas putting his hand in Jesus' side." And they were like, "Wow, that's a weird story." It's interesting when you talk about that because it's not just like this concept, it's our neighbors, right? The people who are around us every day. Kathleen McCann: That's right. Well, it's one of the reasons why it's so important to be joyful missionary disciples because the joy is so attractive. Fr. Stephen Pullis: Yeah, I think this is where there's the beauty and the challenge of being Catholic right now. When we talk about living in a post-Christian world, there's a temptation on two fronts in my mind. One is to just assimilate to that and to say, "Well, we can't." How are we going to defeat this Goliath, this behemoth of the post-Christian hedonistic secular culture? Fr. Stephen Pullis: The other temptation is, and no offense to the Amish, but to become Amish, right? To pull back and say, "We're just going to live in our little enclaves cut off from the world and we're not going to engage in that." And our Catholic faith calls us to be engaged in all of the good to build up our society. All of the ways we can cooperate with political leaders and social and cultural influencers. But at the same time hold true to what is deeply capital-T true in our lives, that nothing is more important than Jesus rising from the dead. Fr. Stephen Pullis: And so there's this tension, as Catholics, we have to walk, of being in the world but not of the world. Not running from it and not fully assimilating to it. And I think as you mentioned, our Catholic schools are a little bit of ground zero for that, for helping the next generation of young people know how to navigate those waters. Kathleen McCann: Yeah, you've said it very well. You should probably be a Catholic school's counselor. Fr. Stephen Pullis: I should be a priest. Kathleen McCann: Or be a priest, right. [crosstalk 00:00:35:25]. Fr. Stephen Pullis: I don't know. Danielle Center: Amen. I went to do a vocation's talk and we were encouraged to ask young men that we found in our lives, "Have you ever considered being a priest?" So I started doing it and so consider- Fr. Stephen Pullis: You didn't do it on dates, did you, Danielle? Danielle Center: Don't tell me how to live my life. You're not my real dad. Okay, hold on. Fr. Stephen Pullis: That was a question, whoa! Danielle Center: I'm not going tell- Fr. Stephen Pullis: Well, that's all the time we have today! Danielle Center: We had [crosstalk 00:36:08]. And I've done that, because I don't remember. But if I asked, hey, you're welcome for that. Fr. Stephen Pullis: A clear sign to a guy that you are not interested. Danielle Center: Hey bud, here's a flier. Have you tried it on the weekend? No, no, no, no, no. Okay, okay. Kathleen, we love to ask our guests to give a closing word of love, encouragement, wisdom to our listeners. Is there anything that you would be so kind to share with the listeners who would love to hear from you tonight? Kathleen McCann: I think what I would encourage people to do is to remember that confidence in God, particularly in this time. He does have this. And it takes a big load off to realize that we just need to give Him our best effort and He will bring the increase. Have confidence, be grateful even in the challenging times this because all His gift, it's hard to remember this right now, especially when there's suffering out there, but everything is gift and we just got to trust that God will ultimately show us what the gift is. Fr. Stephen Pullis: Amen. Hallelujah. Danielle Center: Thank you! It was great. Kathleen McCann: Thank you. Fr. Stephen Pullis: It was an awesome quarantine grace to spend some time with Kathleen McCann, the executive chairman of the United Road Services, and to hear how she has integrated her faith into a successful life as an executive in the business world and how she has seen awesome growth in the Archdiocese of Detroit over these past decades. Danielle Center: If you liked this episode, please share it with your friends, your neighbors, your relatives, your Trader Joe cashier. You can also leave us a review on iTunes. Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. Our handle is @opendoordetroit. Help us unleash the gospel. Danielle Center: Open Door Policy was produced by Ron Pangborn and the creative team of the Archdiocese of Detroit. Fr. Stephen Pullis: You know what I've heard a lot, lately? Kathleen is [crosstalk 00:38:23] Danielle Center. Danielle Center: That's a joke. Don't listen to him. Don't listen. Don't listen. Fr. Stephen Pullis: It gets mentioned all the time. Kathleen McCann: I believe it, I believe it. Fr. Stephen Pullis: I'm Father Stephen Pullis with Danielle Center. Danielle Center: And this has been another episode of Open Door Policy.