[00:00:00] Alex G: Welcome to the Troublesome Terps at long last were sorta kind of back for tonight. Uh, and with that being said, I'm Alexander Gansmeier and you've already heard him broadcasting live from his living room. Alexander Drechsel. Hey Alex. [00:00:30] Alex D: Hey, Alex, how are you? I'm doing really well. Yeah, we kind of, uh, spoiled the news that already. So you've been paying attention, you know, what this show is going to be about, but before we get to that, that's welcome. Uh, the third German in the room, Sarah Hickey. Good evening. How are you? [00:00:46] Sarah Hickey: Oh, no. Yeah. I'm very happy to be here because, uh, this podcast always lifts my spirits. Um, yeah. And also because we haven't been here in a little while, so it's nice to be back and yeah. Um, our most important host of the night, I think, um, Mr. Dr. Jonathan Downey. [00:01:08] Jonathan: I was going to say going, going with the last fee, I'm definitely not making any issues. That's a cobbling joke. If anyone knows anything about baking shoes. Yeah. This is, this is. Big episode. It's a pleasure to be here for this special episode. Should we just see what was going on? Because I'm trying to string this out as long as I can and is getting to the point. So two nights Vince, I'm going to do the personal one. First. This is my fight, you know, ever Troublesome Terps for lots of reasons. I've had to cut. They don't commit. And to change a few things. This is my last ever Troublesome Terps. She'll find out where I'm getting up to later on in the shore and the 3 93 current Troublesome Terps hosts have an announcement about the future of the book. [00:01:57] Sarah Hickey: Yeah, I'm going to leave that one to one of the two Alex's, even though I would say, well, first of all, you may have noticed that we haven't been here in a little while in two months. Um, because we, well, frankly, we're all a little, we were all a little bit busy and we needed to, um, spend some time thinking of, um, what the future of this podcast should look like. And so definitely one thing is certain, and that is that this is the last episode in this format with all four of us. Uh, and we have some ideas for what the podcasts could look like in the future. And that may potentially involve all of you. [00:02:35] Alex D: The biggest podcast panel ever [00:02:40] Alex G: Everyone, everyone who's ever listened needs to get into the podcast. No, I was just going to say, before we get into the future of the podcast, I think it would be nice to take one last trip down memory lane. I know the Christmas episode was, was just around the corner, more or less figuratively speaking in terms [00:02:56] Alex D: long corner. [00:02:57] Alex G: released, but it's a very long, well, you know, it's been a very long two years. I think we're kind of used to that, um, the relativity of time. Right. [00:03:05] Alex D: Yeah. What is time? Anyway? [00:03:06] Alex G: um, God is time anyways. [00:03:10] Jonathan: It's a really useful hemp. [00:03:16] Alex D: Um, [00:03:17] Alex G: I like that. That was a, yeah, [00:03:19] Jonathan: And if you wanted another reason why I'm leaving the podcast, [00:03:25] Alex G: he's getting kicked out too many dead dogs. We couldn't handle it. [00:03:29] Jonathan: the Putin to is going to drop dramatically from there. [00:03:35] Alex G: Oh my God. Yeah, but I mean, we've been here for, for quite a while. I actually forgot to look up when our first episode aired, I was going to do that the very, very first one, which was, um, [00:03:47] Alex D: spring [00:03:48] Alex G: dictionaries or legs. [00:03:51] Jonathan: 13th of February, 2016, [00:03:53] Alex G: That seems accurate. Wow. [00:03:58] Jonathan: years. [00:03:59] Alex G: It's been awhile. Yeah. Wow. [00:04:03] Jonathan: I have had three children and the time we've been hosting this podcast, [00:04:08] Alex G: wild. [00:04:10] Jonathan: yeah. Okay. That makes the podcast feel old. And that makes me feel instant. [00:04:17] Alex D: Exactly. [00:04:17] Alex G: Well, you know, I guess you [00:04:18] Alex D: family [00:04:19] Alex G: your time more wisely. [00:04:21] Alex D: exactly. But don't worry. We're not going to, we're not going to go through all the episodes that we've ever recorded. Um, [00:04:28] Alex G: No. [00:04:30] Sarah Hickey: all the children. [00:04:31] Alex D: we love all our children. Exactly. But it certainly, it certainly provided us. With a lot of great opportunities to, to meet great people have a lot of wonderful guests. And, uh, I think the guests would be the people that we need to thank first and maybe even the most for a bearing with us, you know, for hours and hours of conversations. But I, I like to believe that we're all quite interesting and maybe insightful and funny and maybe sometimes not so funny. We've had some serious topics over the years as we are wanting to do with. Yeah, Troublesome Terps. Um, and I think we were going to get into, you know, sort of favorite moments and highlights. I think the, the live episode we did in London was still sort of the absolute highlight for me. I don't know about you, but sort of the mix of [00:05:20] Alex G: was great. [00:05:20] Alex D: doing a live episode first. Doing it abroad doing it in London, in a pub, um, with a live audience. I think that a lot of things were coming together and it was the first time that all three of us were in the same room, um, together. So that was, that was mind [00:05:37] Jonathan: because for years I actually had the theory that the two Alex's were just one person doing really dodgy, really blended German accent. [00:05:44] Alex D: And it's true. We're very [00:05:46] Jonathan: Because what people see, [00:05:49] Alex G: We were just talking about them before you guys joined us. I mean, it's, it's basically the spitting image of each other. [00:05:54] Alex D: Yeah, [00:05:55] Jonathan: I was going to say as well [00:05:56] Sarah Hickey: You were like the bananas in pajamas B one. [00:06:01] Alex D: I have no idea what that is, but it is very funny. [00:06:05] Alex G: You don't have bananas in pajamas. It's great. We have it. They have the catchiest songs, this side of Telstra. [00:06:12] Jonathan: Well, the, the other thing is, is that for the first couple of years, we recorded with Nova. [00:06:18] Alex G: That's true. [00:06:19] Jonathan: we had was sound. And so I, the very early days of me and the loan chopping a, the wifi signal would reach it and stuff. But one. of the things that I think we should take credit for, and I'm sure the same language. And if those would tell me that we weren't the first, but I think people are the first spoken language and terrible thing podcast to seriously cover and therapists of burnout and mental. And I think we've come to a couple of times. And to me, the highlight is that from practically, from D one, we have lived up to the billing of dealing with the things that keep interpreters up at night. And we've not shied away from difficult subjects is Kenneth difficult. I don't really want to pick a favorite episode, but I think the one that made the biggest difference in the podcast for me was the episode where we had Seder. So say this episode before she became a host, like w w we, we did that episode and then we got to Geneva and the two Alex's and I were like, we should ask or shouldn't we? [00:07:23] Alex G: She's the one. [00:07:25] Jonathan: yeah, we probably should. And you just knew then that. [00:07:28] Sarah Hickey: trouble at that conference also. Yeah. [00:07:32] Jonathan: Uh, th th th th the Alex is highly is the live episode. I think my episode highlight was the one we recorded live in Geneva, where it felt like, you know, you have all that. What we call in Scotland, high Higgins, all these leaders and experts and entire thing. And then you have to Germans and a mad Scotsman doing the closing session. And I think it was good because I think we succeeded. We've got people being honest. We got people seeing things that maybe they wouldn't necessarily normally say in front of an audience, but the atmosphere was there. And I think we recalled the other really cool episode as well. So Geneva for me was the absolute highlight and it made me realize that some. And terrible thing was taking podcasting seriously. And there just seems to be an explosion of interrupting podcast recently. [00:08:21] Sarah Hickey: Well, for me, one of the things is that, well, I feel like I can say these things because I'm not really part of the inter active interpreting community anymore. I, one of the things I've always found very difficult, even at the very beginning was I feel like it's, um, it can be nice. That's a very close knit community, but it can also be very difficult. And from the beginning, there are so many rules and you don't want to make the wrong step. And it's nice to have a place like this, where you can talk about the more controversial topics as well. And I think it's a Testament to the three of you. Um, you know, like that you have so many people that are listening as well, because I mean, I know I joined later, but it's really you, everything was, I was like coming to like this completely like ready nest lender, the sat in it, you know, but you guys started all this and like, People say that it's not so much about the one who starts a new movement, but it's about the first follower, you know, but, and you guys have a ton of followers. And so I feel like there's demand out there that for the interpreting community to also talk about the uncomfortable topics, you know, that maybe, or at least to hear about them because, um, I feel like oftentimes it's not so easy to address the. In public. Um, there's a lot of barriers. There's a lot of fear of upsetting somebody and it having a negative effect on your career. And then, because it's so close knit as well. And I felt like when I came across, you guys say as well, that kind of really gave me hope. And it gives me hope now as well that maybe, um, it started something, you know, [00:10:02] Alex G: That makes us sound so important. I like that. [00:10:06] Alex D: Yeah, well, now when I finished the episode right here, [00:10:09] Alex G: Yeah. I know this is always at an high note, but I mean, I do it, I do have to say about the Geneva episode. It's also one of my favorite ones. I don't know if I can choose, because that was the one that. Oh, no, actually it was the one afterwards. The one after was the first one was Sarah. Right. [00:10:26] Alex D: Yeah. [00:10:26] Sarah Hickey: Yeah, I think I joined more or less or immediately after or the one after that or something. And the first year in review, then immediately. [00:10:34] Alex D: Yeah, we had you as a plant in the audience. So you were effectively part of the team, you know, for all intents and [00:10:40] Alex G: Yeah. That's [00:10:40] Sarah Hickey: It's true. I was already somewhere on that [00:10:43] Alex D: Yeah, [00:10:43] Alex G: already causing trouble. [00:10:46] Alex D: but I do want to give a shout out to, to Kilian who he was the one who asked us to host the panel and do this live [00:10:51] Alex G: That's true. [00:10:53] Alex D: I think that was, that was, uh, I don't know if courageous is the right word, but I think that was a really bold move. And I'm really grateful to him for that. So credit where credit is due. [00:11:03] Alex G: What an experience. [00:11:06] Jonathan: Yeah. Even though, like two years later, I see. Like cast my mind back the Geneva and realize how big a deal it was, the scene that you don't realize big deals until you've lived through them. And I think Geneva felt like a big deal. Um, and it's, it was watching Sarah on the end of the IO with like her stock of Nimsy research. I'm like, this is going to be a good day. [00:11:29] Alex G: She came to play. [00:11:30] Alex D: Yes. [00:11:31] Jonathan: you, you it's like the person. Have you ever been terrified? And you get one person in the meeting who brings like a break, thick worth of paperwork. And you're like, this is going to be an interesting meeting. And, uh, and your son, then you associate on the end, end of the island. I'm like, wow. We know who to go to with question one. [00:11:50] Sarah Hickey: Yeah, it was, um, it was so different from all the other industry events that I go to you, of course, for like Nimsy for example, where, you know, it was completely normal. Everyone has this stuff with them and everyone has like these discussions together. Whereas this was of course more far more like academic and nobody knew me there with the exception of maybe three people or something. And. There wasn't much in terms of market research, which makes sense, given the setting, of course, but basically I was completely out of place except for the fact that I also am a trained conference interpreter. And so I've been in touch with the side before, but I wasn't really there anymore and I'm not really there anymore, so yeah, totally like a fish out of water, but I kept splashing. [00:12:32] Alex G: He certainly did. And as flashy made. [00:12:36] Alex D: Sometimes that's a good place to be. Is the fish to be the fish out of water. [00:12:42] Jonathan: Was her first episode, your highlight then Alex G would say it first kind of episode as a host. Was that your highlight? Cause you would end, mid-late telling us what your highlight we took over, [00:12:50] Alex G: Yeah. I just think, I just think that was one of the things, because the podcast with Sarah just kind of became like its final form. Right? So like the Troublesome foursome and I like the format with the four of us. I think it, I think. I added a lot to the podcast. Not that we were lacking before, but I think she just was like the cherry on top of everything have a big podcast Sunday. Um, so I do think like from that on, there was definitely a new era that I really enjoyed. [00:13:19] Jonathan: I got quite a few. I don't know about you guys, but I got quite a few Twitter messages and DMS and emails saying, Hey, it's a good thing. You've got women on the podcast. [00:13:30] Alex G: Oh, for sure. [00:13:32] Alex D: Yeah, in it in an industry like this. [00:13:35] Jonathan: Ooh, [00:13:36] Alex G: I know. [00:13:38] Jonathan: there was a running joke from wherever I kept coming across where Troublesome Terps was the place where all of the mainland territories hanging out, because there are only three of them. They need their own podcast because, because that's where they live. [00:13:53] Alex D: like a safe space. [00:13:56] Sarah Hickey: Yeah, and I have no problem being the quarter woman here. Same, as the quarter. Scotsman, Jonathan. [00:14:03] Alex D: Yeah, exactly. [00:14:05] Jonathan: because being a squat has been as a protected characteristic, someone K I was someone came to visit translators and interpreters in Scotland and I'd spent time with them. I don't want to say who they were, but they said to me, you know, um, I have a colleague who says he listened to such and such a broadcast for the intellectual content and Troublesome Terps for the fun. I was like, yep. That'll do. [00:14:27] Alex G: Well, I mean, that's kind of how we S we got started out, right? Because initially the whole thing was supposed to be, we're just sitting around, like the concept of the podcast was you're sitting in the pub with your mates and just talking about stuff that bothers you, that is kind of Troublesome and whatever. And then. If we became very, not formalized, but professionalized in a way in their silly was just the three of us. And then we had guests on and then we had serious guests and then we had like very serious topics. And, you know, we had the live episode with tickets and everything. Then we went to Geneva, which is super important and, and we had the, the, the, what was it? The podcast slam the podcast. Hovel. [00:15:06] Jonathan: I was looking at the episode less than the number of important people who trusted us in our first year. Like that's crazy. And Alex was saying a bad thing, thanking the guests. And I think the guests are really helped so much. Um, all of our most popular episodes are ones where we've had guests on. I don't think that's, uh, uh, I can't even think of the words still late tonight. I don't think that's a Quincy. Um, I think our top one is still the Judy and you and one on business and you could see, so we get access to the stats of how well each episode does. And you could see from the stats, what there was a real need for a couple of them. One was surprised. Like I was surprised at the sore throat episode that didn't get. Lessons. And maybe if people find that game, they might find that useful during every we and terrible thing or something. Maybe we need that a Saudi eight episode. Are you reading the right. [00:16:01] Sarah Hickey: I guess it's, I feel like it's still the soul, even in, you know, the modern world that we live in, where everyone, like you keep hearing these things off how normal it is, you know, and how accepted it is. Now, if you have a mental health problem. And you know, when people say things like, well, if you had a cold, you would treat it to know, or maybe you wouldn't know the cold much, but, you know, get the idea or you wouldn't be ashamed of it, but there is still so much stigma around it. Like, I know some. Friends of mine, um, who are doctors who, um, have been dealing with some stuff and they didn't want it on their records. So they they're doing a privately and things like that because, you know, except what, are there any potential repercussions or I think there's lots of, so, so many more people that are dealing with mental health problems and, um, yeah, I, myself in the last year have struggled significantly with depression and that is one of the main reasons why I've. Really open about it. Like, I don't have a problem sharing it here. I shared it with everyone. I know, because I feel like if we keep saying, we want to change this, uh, stigma, um, around that, then we can just keep hiding again. I don't, I'm not trying to push anybody if it's too private for you. Totally understandable, because it's hard to talk about, but at least for me, I felt like. I don't care. Oh, not so I'm struggling with this. I still am. And it sucks, but it helps sometimes to know that, uh, you know, other people are struggling with it too. And, you know, still life goes on and there are ways to deal with it. Um, and yeah, same as, I mean, when I was in the hospital for some other issues, physical ones, I also didn't try to hide it from people, you know, [00:17:44] Jonathan: Yeah, afraid in AI was at station taken by a guy called Patrick Regan, and he was talking about mental health and he was talking about how sometimes the environments that you think you can go to to get support, they'll not actually equipped to him. And he talked about his battles with it and how he still struggles. And I thought, you know, to be able to open that door and even to admit, you know, like last week for me was a horrible week because, you know, I find that it wasn't going to get funding and I'd realized I had built far too much of my whole port on that and so on. And so you, you realize that, you know, mental health is a lot like physical health. Sometimes you have long-term issues that need treatment, and sometimes you have. I couple of days or whenever the, you just need to work on. And I think that analogy, the physical health are really, really useful because it means that I had someone recently saying, you know, these people who have mental health and I felt like seeing everyone has mental health, it's just, some people have mental health problems at the moment. You know what it's like saying? Oh no, he's got physical health. Yes. It's called being alive. [00:18:45] Alex D: Mm. [00:18:47] Jonathan: And that's, that's kind of even restructuring the way that we speak and restructuring the way that we think and realizing that, that our ways through difficulties, and there are people who sometimes all you need to do is lessen. And there are people who can same push it to the right people. So yeah, if you need help, please go get it because it's, it's going to be life-changing. [00:19:08] Sarah Hickey: Yeah. And actually for me, uh, having started therapy as well, made me realize. That I think everyone should try therapy, whether you're struggling or not. I've learned so much about myself. I was never aware of, I felt like, why didn't I try this before? So I can highly recommend it. You don't need to be struggling to go for it and learn a little bit more about yourself. [00:19:28] Alex D: I think a lot of people who do start therapy actually say that. And, um, there's, there's a Belgian comedian who also talks very openly about mental health issues. And I think she said once that, uh, basically the. Comparably tiny amount of people who are in therapy kind of have to do that because so many people don't have therapy. So you kind of do it for the, you know, for the benefit of everyone, which is unfair. But, um, yeah, that's the way, that's the way it is. [00:19:57] Sarah Hickey: Uh, I like that actually. And yeah, for me and like, you know, I, in my role at Nimsy, I had talked to a lot of, um, business owners, CEOs and all that. Yeah. And, um, honestly, 90% at least will tell you that it's the people that make the company. And I think that's true for most jobs. It's about the people, you know, uh, the people you have nothing, and everyone keeps talking about how great their team is and all that stuff and putting people's people first. But at the same time, I feel like we see very, very few people, very few businesses. Um, or the individual leaders in it who are actually willing to live up to what they're saying. They're, you know, it's annoying me sometimes that it's becoming more of a buzzword to be people centric rather than actually being people-centric and all it's not as straightforward, but still, I would hope that some of this maybe changes maybe especially now, also that we've had the great resignation, which I think ties in with that, to be honest, [00:20:58] Jonathan: And I was going to say, if you're on the board of an association and I know association regularly, look at their member benefits, could you please look at providing access of some sort to some kinds of mental health support service that are ones available that you can tie into? There are kind of other training that you could do that you could put people through. So please, I know association regularly, look at mint. And if it's, because I've been there, I understand the pressure of being on the board of an association, but this is something, you know, associations that always talking about the future of the profession and how do we invest in the profession and Hey, do we grow the profession? If we want there to be an interrupting profession in a few years time, we have to be investing in interpreter, mental health. So things like that are very few, um, qualified professional supervisors. So people who work on emotional resilience and ethical decision making that are very few of them are available. The ones who aren't available, please contact. Let's see if we can get more. Let's see if we can get more people access to that. That are things that we can be doing individually. You know, thinking about therapy, thinking about support that are things that we can be doing as an as associations and also. I got a memory back from Facebook recently when I went to the TLC conference in Warsaw and Delta talk stroke workshop on your support team. And it's the two today is the only talk workshop they've ever done that I've seen people cry in. And someone came up to me at the end and explained to me how much. And I realized then that probably still the unspoken assumption and most of the tariff thing is everyone gets by by themselves. And the truth is no one gets by on their own. [00:22:42] Sarah Hickey: Uh, I think you can apply that to a society, to be honest, I like, and yeah, I agree. A lot more needs to be done. Um, Sorry. I lost, totally lost my train of thought. And then also interrupted you Jonathan. So it's a lose, lose situation for me. [00:23:01] Jonathan: Okay. I needed, I needed a drink [00:23:02] Sarah Hickey: I'm sorry. [00:23:03] Jonathan: the, in this lovely conference portal. [00:23:06] Sarah Hickey: But I think it's definitely very helpful when you feel supported by, you know, either your company or your association, your colleagues, ideally, I hope you're all feeling supported by your families. You know, it makes a really, really big difference. Um, and feeling like you're completely in it alone. And of course, I mean, when it comes to jobs, you know, we all have jobs and we're afraid to be maybe out of the job too much for health. Um, you know, and the effect that that might have. And so feeling supported there as well, I think can be a really big help because I think that's also one part where people drag it out too much and not get help. [00:23:45] Jonathan: Well, I also made a realization with my physical world for then it is very similar with mental health that I realized a couple years. I was either going to take some time out of my day to work on my physical health, or I was going to end up losing more of these because I didn't have my physical health. And so I now try to, I'm currently recovering from injury by now, tried to run regularly three times a week if I can, which means that my working day is shorter, but it's based on a shorter working day than a shorter working. And I wish I was chatting to someone who'd recovered from an engineer. And I said, oh, I called COVID and I was failing a tough to get back. And I got this very Sternberg helpful message saying, get back as soon as you can, because your children need you and your friends need you. And there's only like, Yeah, we don't just work on our physical health and our mental health foot ops. We work on it because there are people who love us, who want us to do well. And I think that's what we're going to get a TV episode, but I th I think that's important. To be able to, you know, if you think I'm just getting fat, because I feel like getting fat. No, actually you're you getting fat is adding to other people. I, the first books I wrote was all about adding value and I think that's something that I've never realized is so important is your self care is your gift to others. [00:25:05] Sarah Hickey: Absolutely. And also even, but it's also super valid to do it for your gift to yourself. You know, both I think is very valid and I read completely also what I said applied just as much to physical health. I think that's also all too common that people drag it out too much. There. Barely hanging on. Um, I think that's one thing that the pandemic has shown is also now everyone's keeping an eye distance from everybody. When, as soon as they have a slight cover or sneeze, we don't usually do that when we're saying, wait for it, just keep going, you know, and meet others and all that stuff. So yeah. Times are different now. [00:25:43] Alex D: Exactly. Um, probably a good time to move on to what happens next for the four of us. I mean, we're not gonna keep doing the podcast, but we're still doing exciting. I think so, uh, we wanted to give you just a very brief, you know, update on what we've been up to. So, uh, Jonathan, do you wanna go. [00:26:09] Jonathan: Yes. So I have launched a new podcast with a lot of newbies on church and terrible thing. And because it's on church and therapy is. The church and therapeutic broadcast the episodes. We're trying to keep every episode under half an hour. I think the first one was actually 18 minutes and it's available currently on a cast Spotify on Stitcher, trying to get it listed elsewhere. That will take time. It should be on Google podcasts as well already. So it's called the church and tempting podcast. If you're interested in church and tariff cutting, or you didn't realize that church and tariff thing existed, or you just wonder what an author is, check a have. I'm currently working on planning out the next episode suddenly when there's only two of you, there's a lot more planning that goes on, but it's going to come out roughly monthly. Probably. I'm not making any commitment right now, but we're, we're trying to explore an under explored area of interpreting. And it's one that actually seems to be growing commercially is where it was. High-fived quite a few paid church and Christian interrupting assignments recently, which has been something I've been passionate about for 14 years. So it's great to be able to talk about. [00:27:15] Sarah Hickey: That's really nice, even though I wasn't sure you were able to keep anything to 18 minutes only. [00:27:20] Alex D: Yeah, I'm skeptical, [00:27:21] Jonathan: It's only 18 minutes. That's me doing the editing. So [00:27:24] Sarah Hickey: sorry. I couldn't help myself. [00:27:25] Jonathan: it's me doing the editing. And when we set up each year, we give each other times and we have to fit into it and say the time slot and the guys on this podcast that I went to Alex and said, w w believe me, when I say that I haven't yet managed to record my time slot in one day. I don't know why that is. [00:27:46] Alex D: Beats me. I have no idea. [00:27:47] Sarah Hickey: Yeah, but in all seriousness, Jonathan, I think I'm really happy for you that, um, this is finally something that you're able to do after. I've been passionate about it. I'm going to check it out. [00:27:59] Jonathan: Yeah. It's it's great. Fun. It is lovely because there's now a growing church and everything community. Thanks to a guy called Mike here. Quite a few people have seen on Twitter and Instagram and stuff. He started it and it's just ballooning and saw, you know, we're talking about communities and about support it's because the church is everything community, because we have a very close, shared, common experience, even more so than conference and terrible thing, which conveyed between countries, church. Basically the same wherever you are. And so we have a lot of shared experience and a lot of shared jokes and stuff, and it's, it's a really supportive place to be because people understand kind of from the gut, what it's like to, you know, jump in and suddenly the pastor goes off notice and you're like, oh, okay. This is going to be interesting. It is great fun. And we're trying to keep the podcast informative and fun, and there should be two really nice interviews coming up as well. I'm just teeing them up and trying to get them. [00:28:59] Alex D: Sounds great. Yeah. So. Check out that new podcast. I think we can probably put the link in the show notes. Can we, Alex, um, and, uh, Sarah, you, you, I mean, you can, that's, uh, that's what you do. So, uh, check, check out that show notes and uh, if you want to hear Sarah life, you can also do that. Actually. You've been doing quite a lot. Life stuff. I am currently catching up on your, uh, YouTube session on the language industry overview. So, uh, that's, that's a long one. So I've only now gotten around to that. It's it's not really the latest thing you've been [00:29:34] Sarah Hickey: Yeah. [00:29:35] Alex D: can find you over on, on TMZ live, of course, quite, quite. [00:29:40] Sarah Hickey: Yeah. So yeah, basically from Nimsy we have a YouTube channel and then whenever we go live, it shows up on all of our different social media channels. So probably also of course, LinkedIn, but also on Twitter and Instagram and Facebook and on YouTube. And it's afterwards upload to YouTube and an Nimsy life is run by Tucker who reading. It was one of our founders and he is loving the live streams. Mr livestream now, I think he's on, uh, it seems he's there 24, [00:30:09] Alex D: It feels like it. Yeah. [00:30:10] Sarah Hickey: he's everywhere. Um, I had also started my own live stream, uh, called last week in localization, but I've been neglecting that one actually for the last few weeks when I was finishing up the Nimsy 100 hour ranking and then, um, analysis of the. Size and state of the language services market. And that's probably what you are referencing there because yeah, we did when the whole thing was finished. Um, we had a livestream where we talked about, uh, some of the main findings. It was together with, um, Renato, Benny, natto, our other co-founder and a few other of my wonderful colleagues who all contributed to the report and yeah. So definitely, um, I will be back doing last week and localization and potentially other live streams. So yes, you can see my face there and yeah. [00:30:56] Alex D: Great stuff. Yeah. Alexa, when's your next Insta live? Or? I don't know. Are you in clubhouse? Something like, I don't know. You have to do, you gotta be doing some live streaming, like Stu [00:31:09] Alex G: uh, well I'm doing live streaming from the front. I'm leaving goodbye. [00:31:17] Sarah Hickey: You can join my livestream. Alec I'll have you on [00:31:19] Alex G: I'll be the background dancer, know, the audience can see, but I'm doing [00:31:23] Jonathan: Alex has already been a guest on my YouTube channel insight and terrifying new video coming in the next 10 days. [00:31:29] Alex D: correct. Yeah. [00:31:30] Alex G: yeah, but I mean, I'm doing live streaming from the booth, I guess [00:31:34] Alex D: around the world. [00:31:35] Alex G: into, into, into like a S . I don't know. No, but, um, yeah, I'm pretty much just gonna. Working. I mean, I've been working, it's been very busy and I think I'll just be enjoying a couple nights off when we're not doing pocket. I mean, there's always enough stuff to do. You know, we have the network, our confidence so much a on network. We have another new website for, from uni called Babylon interpreting, which is another network, another local network. So, you know, there's a lot of stuff going on. That's kind of happening behind the scenes and I'm usually kind of dabbling a little bit in, in, in making those things happen. So yeah, I'm trust and believe I'm keeping busy. [00:32:18] Alex D: Yeah, it just occurred to me that actually, you know, with, with Sarah doing so much research and livestreaming and Jonathan branching out into church interpreting, you're kind of the last conference interpreter standing from the four of us in a way. [00:32:30] Alex G: I know, I [00:32:31] Alex D: that's quite an achievement. Because, um, uh, I have changed jobs, actually. I think we've never talked about this on, on the show with which we don't [00:32:41] Alex G: Not officially. No. [00:32:42] Alex D: but I actually moved out of conference interpreting in the last summer. So I'm now a, a communications guy, something with media, as they say in Germany has made media. Um, and I, I worked for the European Parliament's translation service. I haven't strayed too far, but. Yeah. So I might also pop up here and there, and I'm still quite active on social media, but will also not be appearing on this show at least. And I think that brings us to, uh, to the future of the show, the future of Troublesome toast, because we did say in the very beginning that this is the last episode with the four of us, but it does not necessarily mean the end of the. Right because, um, it was our baby. I mean, we started the whole podcast, but it doesn't mean that it could not continue without us. So one thing that we wanted to offer to you to the listeners or the other community is that you can use this platform, you know, Set it all up. We have the infrastructure, we know how to record a show. We know how to edit it. We have a website we're in all the big, uh, you know, directories for four podcasts. And Jonathan just mentioned earlier that that can, can be difficult and can take some time until you're really everywhere. So I guess our invitation to you is that if you have an idea for a Troublesome. Topic. And it could just be one, you know, you don't have to commit to do 100 episodes, although that would be great, I guess. But, um, if you have an idea and maybe a few people that you think would be great on a podcast panel to do a discussion, we're happy to help. I'm happy to help. So I'm happy to stay behind the scenes and help you with that. Um, but that's kind of our idea for, um, yeah, keeping the show going just in a very different way. [00:34:37] Alex G: It's very non-committal I think the way we, we kind of liken it to the, the translation, talked with our account, which, you know, just kind of changed on a regular basis. You took over, talked about stuff that was important to them. And the podcast could go with similar routes that if you do have anything that you find interesting, even if it's just a one-off, if you and your best booth made, have something, or if you just want to find some people randomly on Twitter who find the same topic. Interesting. As you do, then you guys can just get together, record the episode, let us know, and then we'll put it on, on for everybody to listen. Because I'm sure if you find something interesting, there's a ton of other people who would find the same thing, interesting or controversial or Troublesome or whatever it may be. [00:35:19] Sarah Hickey: Exactly. So in that sense, we are handing over the podcast to you. I, this all set up and ripe for the picking. [00:35:26] Alex D: I guess, keep it classy, you know, I mean, nothing fishy and that kind of thing, but I guess, I think you've, you know, where we're going with this. [00:35:34] Sarah Hickey: They can ask the San Diego. [00:35:38] Jonathan: We we've really we've we've said thank you to the gas or anybody. I think that the lesson, those have really been incredible. I think, you know, I'll never forget the first day we got an email saying that what was it? We were in the top 10 culture podcast and Angola shout out to all our listeners in Angola or 10 over OVR. Um, but you know, it's really straightened. You don't do things for the numbers, but it has been incredible to realize that there are that many people who wanted to listen to an interrupting podcast and yeah, it's. I I'm, I'm believing that most of the day loads are short, punched out, sort of real people know it's just going to click, but they, the tweets on the emails on the, I, I, again, I was at a conference somewhere and someone can tap me on the show that didn't said that I didn't have a clue what you look like, but I would recognize that voice anywhere [00:36:34] Alex G: Yeah. [00:36:34] Jonathan: patently, I have an accent. [00:36:37] Sarah Hickey: But yes, I completely agree. Well, of course, you know, the, we have to thank our guests a lot. We're very grateful to have had them. I think we need to thank our listens even more because it would all be pointless if nobody was listening. I mean, it was so nice to just be chatting to you guys, it is always so nice to be with you guys, but still, it might make it a little bit more pointless if then we put out and nobody was listening to it. [00:37:04] Alex G: That is true, [00:37:06] Jonathan: Just get our mom's less than any. And so in those lovely. [00:37:08] Alex G: but it is actually the listeners who made the podcast, what it was. Right. I mean, you guys really pushed us. You like, you came to the live event, which is something that the Alex and Jonathan. Yeah. Like they can tell you, I was not sure anybody was going to show up. I was, you know, I had nightmares that it was just going to be the three of us, but you. [00:37:29] Sarah Hickey: Yeah. I remember actually, Alex, when I was just a guest on the show as well during my episode that, uh, the Alex who currently has a red head from giggling as well, it was giggling a lot as well. I know that's the unsure, like, what does it [00:37:43] Alex D: Yeah. Is it [00:37:45] Alex G: Is he laughing at [00:37:46] Sarah Hickey: if this is it then green giggling or like shocked giggling or [00:37:52] Alex D: It could be all of those things at the same [00:37:53] Sarah Hickey: but I still thought you were very, yeah, [00:37:57] Alex G: contextual. [00:37:59] Jonathan: Uh, Alex G and I met on the ATA board and that apparently there was serious talk of splitting us up at board meetings [00:38:06] Alex G: Well, like the bad kids sitting in the back of school, right? Yeah. Say it's always the same. Oh my God. [00:38:13] Jonathan: Yeah, we really have to think that less than us. And I think all of the comments, all of the, the, the lovely email was all of the people who have retweeted the show, all of the people who've recommended the show. I mean, I'm under no illusions. I know fine. Well that their show grew because people like to ask someone else to listen to it and pass the on. I've heard tales of people telling they terrible things. Shouldn't still listen to. I've hit an in therapy, an interrupting shouldn't well done. Um, yeah, it's, it's been an incredible ride. It's been an absolutely incredible rave. [00:38:48] Alex G: been. [00:38:48] Jonathan: and it's been an honor share it with youth in a way of sad in a way it's like, um, it's like a little bird that this grownup is. It started off that way. Rough around the edges. It got fed enough worms, it grew, it got stronger, it learned to tweet. It learned to be noisy. It started flapping its wings. And now the little birdie is leaving the nest and is going to be in the care of the interpreting community. And we all know how universally caring and kind the interrupting community is.