Consecutives Anonymous With Andrew Belisle

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Alexander D.:
[0:00] Coming in a little hot.

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Alexander G.:
[0:03] Coming in a little hot now it's very pleasant
turn on microphone discipline and all that.
Look at you all of that trust me.

Andrew B.:
[0:16] Could you go by Alex hers is one of you Alexander the other Alex how does this work here.

Alexander G.:
[0:23] Thanks Andrew I like it ready.

Alexander D.:
[0:26] It's just as confusing as you would expect.

Andrew B.:
[0:37] This is really funny that you guys are having me here freaking SEC cuz I actually am terrified that bikin sakit.

Alexander G.:
[0:43] Oh my God that's exactly what we're to talk about are you really cool awesome.

[0:52] I mean Jonathan but here today so it was somebody has been controversial.

Andrew B.:
[0:56] Okay good I will definitely I will definitely say things that are probably not socially acceptable for interpreters to say in public as far as what's Difficult about to 62.

Alexander G.:
[1:13] So hello everyone this is my cat's eye keeps interpreters up at night and this is Alexander Mack coming in hot from Munich and equally hot coming from Brussels is Alex a Drexel Hello Alex how are you.

Alexander D.:
[1:25] Hey Alex good to see you it's definitely hot here in Brussels and we're expecting the hottest day ever on record in Brussels so that's something I guess not to look forward to this week.

Alexander G.:
[1:36] Hottest day ever on record that's not great what was pretty hot in the booth today but I guess that's normal right.

Alexander D.:
[1:41] Figuratively and literally.

Alexander G.:
[1:43] Absolutely. Jonathan is not here with us today so it's only a Troublesome Duo because I believe he's putting the finishing touches on another book that she might potentially be riding face,
we can neither confirm nor deny that so yeah but we are not just the trouble 7 to today Alex who's joining us today.

Alexander D.:
[2:06] Yeah we have a very special guest with us tonight and the first name starts with an A as well which was not the reason but it just so happens we welcome to Andrew Blau who is joining us from SPO,
Conn's book on I'm getting it wrong again tell us what's what's the correct ones.

Andrew B.:
[2:24] Spokane Spokane enjoying good morning good evening wherever the listeners are it's it's nice to be your thanks guys for having you two both Alex's.

Alexander D.:
[2:34] That's great having you on yeah because this was maybe not last minute but he actually last minute I guess so we organized this Friday quickly which is nice with but that doesn't always happen so.

Alexander G.:
[2:44] It's barely happened so thank you for being so.

Andrew B.:
[2:47] Flattered when you guys asked me to come on this is going to be fun it already is fun
we barely begun.

Alexander D.:
[2:53] That's the idea and we know Andrew from Twitter basically is that right I think we never met in person.

Andrew B.:
[3:05] That's right we never asked I don't think not yet fingers crossed someday though.

Alexander G.:
[3:10] That's absolutely right yeah.

Alexander D.:
[3:12] There has to be some kind of ATA conference or something when we going to meet.

Andrew B.:
[3:15] I think so I met I met a couple a Twitter interpreters thus far in real life and it's always been great it's super cool to connect on Twitter and then then meet up in person it's always it's always real.

Alexander G.:
[3:25] It's kind of surreal though isn't it like I always find when you meet someone from online when you know it's kind of like all you're actually real personnel.

Andrew B.:
[3:31] It's like you have a voice like this disconnected in virtual reality and all the sudden reality and virtual reality need and you feel like it's maybe like an Inception sort of situation.

Alexander G.:
[3:39] Absolutely yes totally.

Andrew B.:
[3:43] It's always been really fun.

Alexander D.:
[3:46] Yeah I couldn't agree more and I mean this is not really in real life but at least now it's it's not just on Twitter so I think that's if it's a first step which which is good and
I think the reason we we wanted to bring you on the show was that at least from your Twitter feed Alex and I had the impression that you
that you like to do consecutive interpreting and that brings us straight to today's top of you because suddenly with.
I mean certainly with my colleagues in the in the Europe
Commission on this this was the topic of the one of the recent episode what we talked about you and dropping where we do basically 99 points yeah maybe 99% symbol taneous and some colleagues haven't done consecutive in literally decades
of course I think
totally afraid of doing it but even people who are fresh out of University I mean some of them don't really like consecutive for some reason so we wanted to explore that a little bit today.

Andrew B.:
[4:43] That's great great topic I'm here for it.

Alexander D.:
[4:48] I'm going to throw the question to you as well Alex out how much consecutive do you do so on average.

Alexander G.:
[4:54] And now they're actually more than I used to because I didn't used to NE
and now I do some supervisory board calls the cup realignment called and obvious because it's only like an hour and a half people don't actually fly and they just calling
with a for the speaker phone call me whenever and yeah because there's no way they're going to show the money for the simultaneous system so I know how do those things consecutively have a mix between different in whispering to the one guy that I'm doing,
two consecutive off so now I kind of almost getting used to it
can I guess in that very particular context.

Alexander D.:
[5:35] Before we get I was probably getting a little bit ahead of myself yet because I mean festival at Andrew talked a little bit about your background how did you get into interpreting in the first place and then we'll talk about consecutive.

Andrew B.:
[5:48] Short vagina,
I want to see how many Summers my back and I I wanted to be at wanted to be an interpreter for a very long time I think I was interested in it since my let's say late teens I didn't know for sure that's what I wanted to do but it was always kind of at the Forefront of my mind.
I had a nice time with migratory upbringing
I'm just my parents work I was I was born in Japan on we move back and forth between Japan and States twice when I was a young kid I went to Art of Elementary School in Japan for the back to the States I was here until I was seventeen and then I didn't exchange year
I'm in in Germany in this island.

Alexander D.:
[6:25] 00 fall places.

Andrew B.:
[6:27] Fall places.
Oh my gosh if we could just do a whole episode about this island that would be great.

Alexander G.:
[6:34] Next time.

Alexander D.:
[6:35] We'll put a pin on that for next time.

Andrew B.:
[6:37] So I was there and then for my last year of high school essentially and then I just continued on and.
Went to a Welsh University where I I was on with German Spanish and French it was kind of the only University I could find that would let me do three languages bounce because I didn't know that I wanted to study interpreting I just knew,
that I was good at languages I like them and I wanted to explore as many as possible before so it's hungry down and picking one career path.

Alexander D.:
[7:05] With his Cardiff University.

Andrew B.:
[7:07] This is Bangor University so in the very North card as being in the very south and just go straight up to the other tip of Wales and there I was.

[7:15] And with the program I had I had the opportunity to 3 Erasmus semesters on which sent me to to Vienna,
Austria Granada Spain and then I was in I'm lausanne in Switzerland Christmas I never did,
interpreting with with French I just did it as a as a as a foreign language app their coach Jose,
what time in Vienna in Grenada I was at the insulating and interpreting departments for both of those
semesters and I got a chance to explore and basically that was when I was like Yep this is it this is what I want to do so I'm back to the states will be later the back and forth for a couple years after that but when I start interpreting full-time here in Spokane Medical
just trying to getting some experience there's a lot of medical out here so you can fill up your schedule at the the pay doesn't isn't Gracie kind of want to progress from there.
So
let's see how long ago now a little more than a year ago I got court certified I was sworn in by the administrative office of the courts in Washington started working in local state courts
Washington Idaho State then this year I started subcontracting with Department of Justice 2 interpreting special immigration courts which is basically what I do. I'm now,
travel around the country I'm mostly gone about seventy-five 80% of the time traveling and it's it's grueling it's intense it's,
very very interesting it's very intense thing to be a part of up close but I'm pretty rewarding a lot of the time sometimes very difficult very sad but,
I guess that's it that's that's up till now so.

Alexander G.:
[8:45] That's super interesting. I like how did you end up interpreting cuz I mean you did stuff with languages you did all the Erasmus Masters you always have been all over the globe I like how did you end up
just hiding hate is what I want to do if I want to become an interpreter and then the path that you went down at the medical interpreting a big step to do initially you know it's doesn't it's not just like hey I'm interpreting like how the weather's going tomorrow night,
going straight into medical interpreting.

Andrew B.:
[9:10] Well I am I went into medical interview because it was the easiest thing to sort of jump into,
so you got to take your time with you at the beginning and so I knew when I did my Erasmus semester because I was at the,
like I said be it's the fact that it. If you need to pick up Jonah in in in Spain in Grenada the apartment and then the send him to contact you invest in shaft in in Vienna and when I was at both of those,
departments I absolutely knew that but that's what I want to do one side,
he completely sold me and since that I've never had the slightest inkling that I wanted to do something even you know even a little bit different.
For me and went to work in the US defense depends greatly on your location but it's very * and sort of,
I'm into the medical interpreting world because you got some experience see if you like that kind of interpreting and then a lot of people from their transition into the court World which is where you can then kind of make it viable income I guess.

Alexander D.:
[10:12] It's really interesting because it it seems
with my very limited experience and only from the German Finance Market it seems to be completely the other way around because the whole medical interpreting isn't really anything yet I think in Germany and Alex please correct me if I'm getting,
around here but medical interpreting 18442 the conference segment would be like medical conferences so completely different segments and then it's it's interesting that you said that actually moving into legal with something that,
allowed you to Make a Better Living I guess which I think again is completely opposite in Germany because legal interpreting is extremely badly,
paid and I think it's even worse than Austria and I think they have just read.

Andrew B.:
[10:57] Articles about that from the Austin and how they're actually even lowering the standards even still I think is what I understand.

Alexander D.:
[11:03] It's pretty awful am.

Alexander G.:
[11:05] I need to write a sector very much under pressure.
Yeah Healthcare or health like in a hospital doctor visits all that was kind of things they're not really on my got a party going to get Christopher this but I'm not sure if they're really professional advisory I know
there's some remote interpreting going on here like remote like dialog interpreting so semi.
But again that's not you know the best paid job in the world because they're pretty much like.

Andrew B.:
[11:44] Happy birthday by the corner of why is one hour minimum for medical to the interesting thing is that for Washington is it has a very regulated system for medical interpreting and as part of the Medicaid Medicare which is the,
you know the state-funded healthcare you're entitled to an interpreter through that system so there's a there's actually very good access to healthcare interpreters for people who.

Alexander G.:
[12:06] That's awesome.

Andrew B.:
[12:06] In the hourly pay is actually is actually decent of course it's just getting enough hours and you have to plug your schedule with some,
when did it becomes a little bit impractical in the long run but in Washington is it's it's actually very impressive how well it's regulated in the standards that are in place to Grant,
that to a leaf is limited English proficiency individual so.

Alexander G.:
[12:28] That's really interesting about to say no but yeah so that's it then you transitioned into court interpreting which is what you do now most of the time I don't know if that's all you do not like excuse me what you want to do or is it.

Andrew B.:
[12:42] I would say now it's about 85 90% exclusive allocation take
next I still appreciate working with but yeah so you have some states in each state has their own Court certification and then to the federal level as well so I worked on the estate certification Washington
I'm I passed late 2017 was sworn in 2018 and then that opens you know up,
all these possibilities to interpreting local courts there's not a lot of that in my in my state so I was able to kind of 50/50,
between medical and a local court but then when I started interpreting with Department of Justice for,
Federal Immigration Court. I had all of this schedule open up to me where they just have countless hours available because I'm sure it's I mean some news everyday you hear about the backlog back nine hundred thousand cases whatever it is
so I need if I want to I doing that all day everyday it's just a question of how long how much in your ear brain in your spirit take,
with our kind of stuff so yeah I've been doing that basically Federal immigration courts I've been doing that,
about 70% of the time for the past three or four months now so that's where I'm at.

Alexander D.:
[13:51] And what is it I mean what what does it look like a typical case I guess in federal immigration quotas of peoples of applying for Asylum or what what kind of cases do you work in at 4.

Andrew B.:
[14:04] Yeah good question so I mostly working to change settings which could look like either a traditional courtroom,
with the joint behind the bench and in in those situations they give us simultaneous equipment,
where we have to the mic and then the responded to the Spanish speakers in or out at a desk a little ways in front of these about 20 feet in front of you,
I'm in the 210 settings they're mostly all Asylum cases are potential Asylum cases and it's either been coming for a short hearing before the judge were they kind of have a status update,
I'm in the judge will have to hear dozens of those every single day or there's what's called a merits hearing which is basically like a mini immigration trial for somebody C,
Asylum cases similar to Asylum where they have at their case before a judge and they may have a lawyer with them or they may not in those can last anywhere from,
an hour if it's a simple case or they can sometimes last all day or multiple days I've been in,
ones that have been continued over three different days just because of how complex they are so that's where the consecutive comes into play that's where about at least 50% of it is consecutive because you're doing responding testimony witness testimony before the court,
forgot entire hearing so that's what it looks like in the detained. Speaker repair in the facility so they're not you know travel things to make you one direction.

Alexander G.:
[15:29] Yeah it does right so with the consecutive that you doing Court I mean
we've seen your note on Federal and if our audience Adams really going to be looking it up like in just a moment that you kind of have like a little bit reputation on Twitter for having extraordinary,
ridiculously clean notes and it's like seriously dude like what are you doing with your nose are you just making my porch with ours is really high.

Andrew B.:
[15:54] Okay well first let me get let me defend myself,
I looked because you're gay so Chris Alex be sent me an email earlier for people who were listening said hey can we use this picture
of your notes for everybody and I looked at it and these these were the ones that that I would she is referencing and I looked at him and I was like holy smokes those aren't very needs,
and so just let you know when I swear on my life is our actual notes from an actual appointment they are not replicated.

Alexander G.:
[16:22] But to be fair most nomos notes you have on Twitter is so there was like a plethora to choose from and most look like this I just think that because you could see the iPad which were going to get into.

Andrew B.:
[16:32] So here's the thing most some of my notes do look like that some of them depending on the hearing type of do not look like that so a lot of the time if I'm interpreting and it's because of the difference,
if I'm doing consecutive for an English speaker I'm saying the public defender's office or for a judge or something like that the information is a lot more predictable in the,
repetitive consecutive notes out of it.
I just look like an absolute despot mess.
Insect for a Spanish speaker in in an immigration hearing the stories are all over the place absolutely unpredictable with names with terms with
places that I've never heard in my life so you have to kind of establish the players in the story before you can have any consecutive,
so I would say at least 50% of time might notes look like a heaping pile of garbage that are just absolutely Electra,
so I didn't mean to be buzzed deception by putting on just my prettiest note because sometimes I do look like up and sometimes it don't we just wanted to put that out there so there's no you know nobody has the wrong impression.

Alexander D.:
[17:43] It kind of feels like that should be an Instagram account with just the most beautiful you know can contact notes need Leah ranged on a table with.
Yeah I exactly kinds of consecutive.

Alexander G.:
[17:56] Oh my God don't be awesome.

Alexander D.:
[17:59] Before we get into the note-taking I was just wondering real quick if you could describe to us said what the situation looks like when you're in
quote for example you know what do you sit on and what specific location do we have,
desk or something what what's what does it look like.

Andrew B.:
[18:17] Yes great question so two different situations if it's a traditional courtroom I have a desk next to the judge at the front of the courtroom,
and that's where we have the microphone and then the Spanish speaker as his headset so we can do we can do whispered simultaneous when necessary and then I have a mic in front of me Fortune sex so when it's consecutive,
I'm back probably is about 50% of the time that I'm the divisional Court like that the rest of the time I'm in detainment facilities where the judges are appearing over video which is called BTC
and those situations I'm giving whisper interpreting the whole time and city right next to the Spanish speaker the respondent I'm so it's very up-close-and-personal,
and because the sounds of a sound is set up with the BTC I have to whisper so it doesn't interfere with the the recording over the video where the judge is the judge
I can hear the government attorney but it's not interfere with biking but I am,
by the timber hearing my interpretation into Spanish. So it's one of those two situations.

Alexander D.:
[19:22] But is it seems quite impractical to say the least if you have to hold her microphone or is it just when you said I'll give you a rendition of what was being said.

Andrew B.:
[19:31] So the microphone is placed in front of us this is one of those I'm not sure what the technical name for it just sits in front of me so I don't have to hold it.

Alexander D.:
[19:38] Oh good okay yeah because sometimes that happens that you that you have to hold like a wireless mic and that's extremely annoying because it's one less that you can use.

Alexander G.:
[19:46] Yes.

Andrew B.:
[19:46] Luckily no yeah that would be that would be really cumbersome it is difficult as you know the conditions are a little rough in Immigration Court so that would just be another added a difficult but luckily the traditional Court Springs AR weather.

Alexander D.:
[20:00] Okay cool,
let's talk about symbols for a minute because it sounded like what what you said earlier is that with with the Certifix trolls that they're on the courtroom it sounded to me like you have a pretty,
decent glossary cooling capacity of symbols available is is that what you were referring to.

Andrew B.:
[20:18] Yeah so as far as you need my personal symbols that I use for consecutives.
So I definitely developed in the past four months for Immigration Court specifically some some pretty specific symbols of septic comes up but I think they're probably,
you know ones that a lot of interpreters would recognize like I have some abbreviations for for court terms like a a Greek pie for for the government attorney for prosecutor and then I have.

[20:47] Are you know I have a jade for judge and things like that but then it with the with the consecutive for the Spanish because when they're telling their stories for the Asylum cases I have a lot of ones relating to to Country and house and business
in church and children and ones like that because those coming to play a lot a lot of,
I guess what you would call you no words for the family or you know terminology related to to the Ounce,
they come from so I have a lot of those in place without a very simple like a box for a country
even if it's a box with a. Inside is it some if it's a house it's a box with a roof if it's a church it's a box with a cross on top little things like that
and your arrows for Direction like I was leaving my house in Arrow out of the box I was going to my house and arrow into the box things like that really helping,
the other thing that I try to do what you really have to,
basically find out who the players in the story are before you can use the system is but when I have all the players was supposed to say example
the police the game members the Vigilantes the Spanish speaker and the respond to Spanish speakers mother-in-law or whatever the case is I make a column on the left with each of those individual players
right is for the actions of each of those players perform so ain't no longer.

[22:09] Write the subject for each action rather the verb in the column works sometimes sometimes the stories all over the place that it renders that auction impractical,
but that's also a tactic is the story permits.

Alexander G.:
[22:23] But that's very interesting because I was just I just had to smile when you said let you know the box and in the box with the. And all those kind of things because that's exactly how we learned in them like this kind of whatever you are.

Andrew B.:
[22:37] I think I pick some of those up in in in in staying in in Austria as well so some of it I don't I don't remember if I pick it up from from my semesters at interpreting departments or if they are my,
it's a little fuzzy now but I think a lot about the arrows in the direction it's so packed,
so all of that is very you know can be very very practice.

Alexander G.:
[23:02] They always have involved a journey of some sort so that would also make
a lot of sense you know otherwise I probably wouldn't be working while you are working but it's interesting when you refer to the the players in the story because we learned that at University you know to do like,
line of reflection side of then have like the people in person pronouns to make sure that you actually always know where the actors are in the story and I never did that I always hated identify consecutives exams cuz the teacher,
I've always and I always funny very impractical a kind of pointless I kind of stopped it but I find it very interesting that you could use it,
on a regular basis are referring back to the method to keep track of all of the.
The intricacies of the story so you tell me maybe I should not have stopped using that huh.

Andrew B.:
[23:54] Well I think it's probably very dependent on your your market right and what kind of interpreting you working in,
thermogram in state courts there weren't a lot of cases where it was really practical because the,
the story would be much less facial much much much bigger player sometimes
so what kind of depends are times when I don't use that and everyone I learned it in a court Force I did I was like this seems very practical very difficult but then I found that actually sometimes it is it works wonders
depending on how detailed and convoluted the story somebody you know you're consecutively interpreting is.

Alexander G.:
[24:28] But I haven't really thought this might be going into too much detail. I just have a really practical question so you know if you do it on a notepad you flip the page the people in Oceanside are gone so what are you do then like you just draw like the little symbols
on the new page and then you refer to them with arrows or like I was at work or an iPad like you scroll up and down like.

Andrew B.:
[24:47] Yasir this is where this is where the iPad I think it's probably helpful
so when I have when I have my different columns with the different players usually by the time I find it been interpreting long enough to go through one page and we still have the same players memorize
poems for the players,
and if I need to refer back up to 8 so very easy flick of the finger to scroll and I don't have to Rifle through pages with just that's just one of the things I can't even.

Alexander G.:
[25:13] Ryan.

Andrew B.:
[25:14] That's that I have to clip your physical ages for.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[25:18] I just had like one more question on the on the terminology unlike your symbols because I'm imagining I mean obviously you do like the J for the judge and then it'll Pi symbol weeks from eating something very different different so that's really funny,
yeah I'm guessing for you,
but so I'm guessing accorded off of his emotional and I guess not to,
come to the judge I guess it depends on like how,
but that's kind of like do you translate or do you interpret all of the emotions do you have like your own level of like.

[26:01] Hold on chord notes terminology for like emotional terminology that might come back and forth or do you just,
you mean as far as it can vein the emotion in your rendition,
when it comes to cancer I don't think that comes into play for my nose precisely but it does play a big role,
in the consecutive interpretation in and of itself because if somebody is very emotional in,
in what they're talking about then I am their space so we can be a message and it might voice in my expression if my
phone is completely devoid of emotion very emotional and
their cheers and their causes so people can can compose themselves and of course I am not in in no way completely replicated emotion their showings but I do consider it my responsibility to in some manner by rendition replicate that emotion,
a message because of the chip the judge can't do the urgency that's conveyed in somebody's voice I would consider that I'm not doing my job correctly.
I agree so they regard me there there been a lot of situations where I've had to you know
take a deep breath and make sure that.

[27:23] That the Spanish speakers in motion isn't affecting me too much such that I can't you know maintain my composure that I can't be professional because of course,
no she can be helped hand-in-hand you can relay a motion but still have composure D profession so I want to keep those two side-by-side but sometimes with how rough the stories get I mean we're talking about gang violence human trafficking
stuff like that it can get pretty intense and you have to remember I have to remember to just take a deep breath in and I guess you know go forward as much as possible because it can get rough.

[27:55] But like on that it probably wasn't a whole different episode but,
it just occurs to me that I've never really thought about what is more emotionally like investing
consecutives or cenotes in apple music when you're doing Simple taneous I think it's probably easier to affect the other people at the other person's emotions,
cuz you don't have that much time to process with consecutive let you get the full story that affects them so deeply and then you have to like watch the as well as in telling it and then you have to relay it so you get the full impression,
and the full brunt of the emotion but then on the flip side you have more time to process any kind of filter out what you want to convey so that has just occurred to me and I find that one of my favorite things to afford to Spanish speakers is when,
they have an attorney and at the end of their immigration trial a lot of the times the attorney will give a closing argument right kind of plea to the judge
but whatever the cases and sometimes they're very impassioned any of the lawyer they have and sometimes those are really.

[29:01] There is a very charged and they're very exciting to interpret because of the kind of this the speed of the emotion they're trying to convey and I love doing that simultaneously because you're just that lag behind but you can seal that can charge the electricity
and being able to be one step behind that for the the Spanish speaker while they're going to follow along for me that's that's very exciting
that's one of the things I love to but with the consecutive and maybe a little bit because the emotions like one step behind be still,
emotional at times and it's much more,
Lakeshore Learning a lot more likes structure but then where you at.
Formalized in a way by Alex G what does consecutive look like for you on a daily basis or weekly basis.

Alexander D.:
[29:57] IMAX before we go into that I had a I had a question for you and Drew in terms of three consecutive or no taking rather know taking technique how much,
how much did you pick up at the University attended and how much did you serve develop yourself,
along the way or how much did you pick up from from colleagues because I know that certain he's a students we were always obsessed with you know learning symbols by hard and that was also somehow encouraged to example but I also remember that we could load of Sir practical tips.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[30:28] Yes.

Alexander D.:
[30:29] Destruction of someone turning 50 to have sort of a maybe not a complete but it good to kid when you started or or did you did you have to learn a lot on the job basic.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[30:39] That's a great question that is a good question I think it maybe was about 50-50 so I had a lot of tools I had some tools under my belt but I was so I was,
have been and continue to be terrified by consecutive.

Alexander D.:
[30:56] That's a little confession right there.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[30:58] The scariest thing that I do on a daily basis and,
so I had to develop a lot for myself I think what I had from you from University in from the interpreting apartments or a lot of useful symbols and a lot of,
maybe it's like the philosophy of consecutive up getting down ideas rather than you know,
individual words are things like that that really helped me to understand kind of the idea by consecutive but this truck for me is when I really succeed in consecutive,
it's your like the back of my hand so there's a lot of that you can pump into consecutive
but it remains Theory and help me interpret learn becomes really intimately familiar with the terminology of specific
or medical setting because I'm so familiar with the content,
in Hospitals and Clinics whatever the case I had to keep my consecutive really really short because I was so unfamiliar with,
vocabulary that might come up with now as I get more and more comfortable if he comes longer and longer and I can I develop my own system because I I can anticipate,
what's the answer I mean summer it's been about 50 50 I had a good basis but I had to work on it a lot myself because.

[32:15] I mean it's just it's it's because I think it's so out there it's like this open naked thing just sitting in front of your audience,
and I mean in Immigration Court especially there's there's it's a very easy play wasted for the,
we caught couch quarterbacking right where you can just be the referee without I involved in the game right and there's,
and they can make a huge mistakes you make an even if they catch a mistake that doesn't mean Jack squat about how well they would render a rendition because,
we pack it up even more but it's nerves of having that out there and I mean that from use a solute verifying but the the becoming familiar with the vocab and also having a good note system and also having it paperless for me,
makes it so much easier and makes my the quality of my rendition of my consecutive increase many.

Alexander D.:
[33:09] I find that I find it very intriguing to think about that you know how the executive technique evolves over time
I'm not sure if I misunderstood what you said that it's getting longer because I have the impression for me at least within my context of
how to say is that I should tend to less and less overtime because of course you get more used to the scenarios that you work in which is something that you just mentioned but also
yo you can anticipate more and yeah I think it's time we just need to know down less and less so yeah I did I maybe just misunderstand.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[33:44] I think I meant that I'm able to take notes for longer amount of time,
longer consecutive rendition whether or not I'm taking more notes I mean I guess it depends on the individual I would have to keep any witness testimony in court I would have to keep it pretty tight,
because I'm so unfamiliar with what might come up but now I can I can let them go for quite a long amount of time and be taking my my notes in it.

Alexander D.:
[34:09] Okay yeah that makes total sense.
Yeah but Alex T was asking about my consecutive practice which is a little bit different because I work mostly in serving the political realm but also dishonest and in the technical realm and actually I think about,
upon closer examination match of the concept that I do is probably closer to,
to The Whispers And trap Latino showtimes as we call it is very often the Rochester time constraints and you know people get very impatient and just feet,
language combination also plays a role because I work with English and German both ways and of course a lot of people in Germany,
understand English pretty well but maybe they don't quite feel comfortable speaking English so often times you'll find yourself looking into Just One Direction or maybe just saw,
stuff briefly into into the direction of German so that plays.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[35:04] Walking dictionary I got everything except for that one word what was that again.

Alexander D.:
[35:08] Oh you just sit there and you know you've kind of tuned out because they don't need you and then they'll ask you for this for the super technical school.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[35:15] Salon half off at my nightmare kind of sit there and you have to let you know that you don't actually like Focus.

Alexander D.:
[35:25] The absolute worst.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[35:26] I don't need you and then it's hard to 50% engage your brain it's like is is fine but it's that in between.

Alexander D.:
[35:36] But the thing is you you always work alone right because I very often work with a second called again will be able to take trans but it seems not to be the case with you.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[35:45] Not in Immigration Court and that's one of the that's one of the roughest things they,
they don't pay 14 interpreting and local state courts they always do Britain appointments longer than 2 hours always seem interpreted,
I'm in the courtroom 8 hours a day by myself and it is not how it should be and I know I know there been so many studies done about you know quality of of interpretation after X amount of time going by themselves but.
It's one of the unfortunate condition that exists in Immigration Court and a lot of people are you no fighting for its trying to trying to get that thing but that's,
that's just how it is right now it's funny I've never I've only ever once had a two-person consecutive job,
and I was amazed at how well it works,
when he was kind of like a cuz I've never had it and it was kind of thrown into the deep end cuz you were supposed to be whispered interpreting but then when I took one of the persons missed their flight and then you know I was going to throw away this is fun.

[36:50] Your hunt,
but it worked amazingly well and it was also with the lawyers and they kind of get that lawyer everything that interprets love when they blame,
how things are not really going their way on The Interpreter that we didn't say that and then you can actually look at your colleagues note is also taking notes in your like
oh sweetness the sound independently so you knowing somebody there to help you out if you're interested,
and it really works very well because we were both sitting there and I mean you don't really get a break like it was only a two and a half hour appointment but they're always both,
continuously taking breaks and then I think we switch about every 10 to 15 minutes in terms of who was actually doing the speaking but you always see when the other person.
Didn't catch were delayed didn't understand without this week was and then you can always like pointed your notes when they're doing it when they are like get to that particular part in that in the passage and,
it's completely seamless and I was really astonished at
the system it works like a system works it doesn't makes a world of difference,
he was already started talking about issues with consecutive interpreting you like how people of its people hated.

Alexander D.:
[38:11] Most people hated probably safe to assume.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[38:14] Yeah I we actually wanted to talk about the technology first baby we can use that as like a type of closing,
what are you guys think of me cuz we've already started talking about like the issue is and you know what the challenges are.

Alexander D.:
[38:29] Maybe stick with the issues here.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[38:31] Yeah cuz So Into You were saying that one of the big things is that you're being exposed and you have the footage of the couch quarterbacks
yeah couch couch quarterback in right by me what does a bilingual lawyers who just hear everything that's out there to hear both the original and then your rendition
course people want to have opinions
yeah it doesn't ever happen in court cuz it's happened to me once or twice and it's not that I know it's happened to a colleague of mine a few times that people
call you out from the audience or in your case I believe from inside the cord that's wrong that's not what they said that's not that word and then you can sit there in your legs,
you know that your your entire credibility as The Interpreter in which in that situation is Khrushchev.

Alexander D.:
[39:15] It's like sending that with your pants down basically.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[39:17] Your sense of this is all that you are relying on exactly what they said it's even worse cuz another party that you're interpreting for it they start doubting you probably start on yourself for a second this is Nick's.

Alexander D.:
[39:27] The word.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[39:32] Will make sense is the only thing that makes sense but then I don't know this is ever happening for it it definitely does happen so there Ben both situations where,
somebody objected to an interpretation or corrected or it spoke up and it wasn't correct I definitely felt the my rendition was accurate than where I am made a mistake because you know when somebody's going.

[39:56] 7 hours by them self to get rough and you know,
things are going to get a little bit lost so there's been times where I've had to say The Interpreter for the correction
the government attorney will make a little bit annoyed at me and then I'll I'll be able to realize that I sent myself sometimes that happens in the more adversarial context example if the Spanish speaking lawyer,
here's a mistake a lot of the time they're you know they're spending their client they want everything to be perfectly rendered for the record and things like that,
and they will get a little bit testy if they didn't like some way something was interpreted in sometimes the way they do things like is not founded sometimes it's like okay on The Interpreter,
misspoke so both happen in. With no matter which one it is whether I stand by my location or whether I need to stand corrected,
it's just gut-wrenching with your with your pants down you're exposed to the whole world and you know your credibility even if you were right.

[41:02] It's like an attack against your credibility and you feel like you you messed it up whether or not to delete it so that's one of the reasons why,
so terrifying because one little thing that you get wrong and everybody inside simultaneously won't get anything at this time today,
body found a lot easier,
but for me I had to get into I had to basically habituate until that cycle requires that psychological barrier with overtime it's become a lot better since without you getting it.

Alexander D.:
[41:51] You just mentioned on the record that is so is it part of the job that you sometimes get recorded So to buy a audio that you have to hand in your notes or do you have to serve,
destroy you know it's before you leave the courthouse is there anything like that involves as well.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[42:07] Short so as far as the report is going Immigration Court everything is recorded all the time in State Court as far as I understand it's it's not so my rendition,
it is never on the record but in the Immigration Court it is I have never been instructed as to destroying my notes and I think it's probably most because people just don't know enough about,
interpreters work to to say something or to
really give us any direction
not sure what to do for that but I usually do erase III do destroy the ones that have personal information in them after I make a glossary with any relevant bow Kappa came up during the hearing,
so that that is my practice I don't know what most other interpreters do because the only one I know here in person or that I've ever met,
underground who uses an iPad to do that to everybody else you know presumably just has swallows its all there some some laws in certain States about
keeping records for businesses in some interpreters think that their notes apply for that so
Sperry location dependent I thinking in.

Alexander D.:
[43:18] Sure sure.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[43:19] Especially after North Korea and interpreter in the notes Alex you're right on the money and I think actually for you and you I would come get if they took your notes because you know,
might be vital they might have missed like a thing with an Alex for you that's the exact situation at that interpret North Korea was a Nike have you ever been asked to provide your notes or have people ever given you any,
have fun internet notes on your note that's what you do with them and you know especially cuz there's a.
Tensile risk that you might be recording something as well you know what the technology and to like what people say and I care.

Alexander D.:
[43:56] It's no,
I don't think I've ever had one situation where anybody cared about the note so assertive even remotely interested in that or or ask me to either destroy it or delete it afterwards I mean I usually do it
myself because you're not I want to make sure that nothing was going to and then to be honest I don't really get to work at meetings that are that sensitive I mean it's,
it's very high-level sometimes I work for four Commissioners and instead of ministers from Germany are from Austria but usually those are technical discussions and there is and I mean usually the most interesting bit is the chat that you don't interpret anyway,
let you know when they have that when they have their photo opportunity before they get started on that kind of,
that kind of stuff but no usually I'd I'm the one who makes sure that you know stuff gets thrown away or what did he did.
Yeah I feel like we should probably move on to the to the iPad stuff I mean we could we could talk for three hours.
If you have it is.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[45:00] What does Romeo before I need to make my way to court.

Alexander D.:
[45:07] Okay yeah we just have to make sure the episodes are not 2 hours long.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[45:09] Wait I thought it was your day off it is but I got called it Jake it's just a quick thing I just have to go for like an hour.

Alexander D.:
[45:15] Just like 3 hours of solo no big deal.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[45:18] I love it and I'm having a glass of wine before quality.

Alexander D.:
[45:24] Lb superfluid.
Bring on your nose ring on your question and then we'll move on to the iPads.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[45:38] No it's just that I mean I was a question it was kind of like more.

Alexander D.:
[45:42] More of a comment ready.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[45:43] No it's my discourse cuz I'm wondering like where you guys draw the line I'm guessing your situation that doesn't really come up at Austin maybe and when you're where,
for you makes consecutive interpreting and what makes dialogue interpreting,
cuz I've been in situations where it's been like a dialogue between people but they like one person Taco 5 minutes and then the other person apply for 3 and they were just you know,
would like that consecutive but then it's not,
guitar case where you deliver a speech or whatever right so I ain't that kind of consecutive where it's sort of delivering a speech like you see in a lot of what they teach you and you know I'm going to interpret Apartments I don't I don't really do that,
so you know where you're going on 4 minutes at a time it's much shorter I mean that the longest I would probably ever let somebody speak depending on what the content in is,
a minute perhaps most judges do not trust The Interpreter to let the Spanish speaker keep going for so long,
so I try to stop the Spanish speaker before the judges because the judge doesn't speak Spanish so dog doesn't know at what point they're cutting off in Spanish,
so I try to control that but for certain things.

[47:04] Did the Spanish speakers are saying something like and let them go for a while but maybe it would be to find a style of interpreting based on how you're describing it,
but it's um,
it's a lot of back-and-forth so it's the judge asks the question the Spanish answers so question answered some of the answers are very long sometimes it's a yes or no,
totally depends so I qualify that is consecutive I don't know if I'm in a situation where I might this is dialog interpreting I guess it depends on how you see that,
I'm not quite sure what you envisioned when you say dialogue.

Alexander D.:
[47:37] What's the what's the difference released.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[47:40] Yeah that's the question because it like in in.

Alexander D.:
[47:43] I need a traditional contact is like when you have a dinner speech I mean that's because there's no dialogue involved but I mean I am rarely ever do that I mean that's something we.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[47:50] Absolutely that's my point I mean I've done that a few times you know like a press conference here or like those. I make calls that I mentioned the very beginning they always completely One Direction all but,
most of the consecutive or whatever you want to call it that I've done throughout my career was.
Diana was a dialogue between people so there was a question and an answer representation and an answer to that presentation so that's why I always wondered so for me consecutive is kind of like everything will you take notes and then there is like
shades of that you know there's like a dinner speech and the press conference there is a Roundtable discussion whatever for me to come all falls under the consecutive umbrella I don't know if that's.

Alexander D.:
[48:28] But I look below could be like whisper to but that's about as well as I would that you don't necessarily take notes then so yeah it's a bit of a philosophical discussion.

[48:41] It's more of a non sequitur.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[48:44] Ruminating right.

Alexander D.:
[48:46] Sorry no offense.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[48:49] I love you oh my God this right but if you want to the technical stuff cuz.

Alexander D.:
[48:56] Oh yeah let's let's do some kicking out.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[48:58] Blessing your doubt.
I actually don't really know if it's going to be a lot of discussion because we're both working with the same setup so that's that's true that's not good.

Alexander D.:
[49:14] What would I would be what I would be I mean I think it can be interesting for other people to listen to who haven't made the switch,
maybe just interested in what it's like so I'm wondering I mean my origin story I've ever told before probably even on the show is that I
was Anakin sexual by didn't bring it is 4 in the morning and then I got up late or something like that. It was something with the kids that need it,
be resolved I don't quite recall but I didn't have enough paper with me and then I just have one pain I didn't have replacement
stop hens and Sylvia I ran out of paper and the pen broke and I basically had to switch over to my iPad otherwise I would have had to live interrupt the whole session which wasn't really an option and that's how I did my first,
teligent opening session at basic is I'm wondering I hope that in in your case it was a little bit more deliberate and so the pre-plan but maybe we can just quickly tell out origin stories that's what what what about you Andrew.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[50:12] I think I was definitely more intentional I'm trying to remember how it what gave me the idea originally it wasn't any sort of I guess crisis scenario.

Alexander D.:
[50:23] Good yeah that's not what you want.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[50:25] Right I just it was it was out of the desire I think maybe number one to have a mostly paperless existence for my job,
second of all to just have to carry around less,
because when I was going to bonds before I have my spiral-bound notebook I have I have a book for reading I have different I guess what it would you call him sort of intake forms Bill the agency's right.
Why wanted to consolidate all of that and the fact that I could use a freaking sack was just you know the cherry on top and,
that was last I guess I can maybe November October that I started and I just I haven't even looked back for a fraction of a second,
it's completely melodramatic but it's completely changed how I mean the billing I never have my laptop anywhere I go on my laptop listen once a month now.

Alexander D.:
[51:21] Oh nice.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[51:22] Thought about you know it's the whole it's not like working it's not working hard working smarter in,
Apple what's a computer,
I know what is this I mean,
Adderall recording on a laptop my love it,
for me it's just made everything so much Slicker and I can,
send much less time on things that I was spending more time on the Orbeez I have to do it on paper so I just kind of so I don't have to spend time.

Alexander D.:
[52:04] Yeah completely agree it just a quick note on that on the laptop. I could technically do this on a tablet so I'll probably do that next time just to prove a point anyway.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[52:13] Lee County sound issues if I had done this on my tab.

Alexander D.:
[52:16] Oh yeah who knows,
who knows this stuff is actually a good point because I I used to have to carry around to the old speeches in because when I when I give speeches,
practice purposes for colleagues are student whatever I usually prepare them with contact nuts as well so when I use the iPad I just have my entire
Archive of speeches with me all the time without having to schlep around notebooks and stuff and that's.
I found really useful because sometimes you know somebody will ask you are you free during the lunch break I'm trying to add a language the test is tomorrow can we just do it
and then it's really nice to be able to say yes because you have all the speeches right there on your.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[53:01] Exactly and glossaries.

Alexander D.:
[53:03] Yeah absolutely.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[53:04] Dictionaries I mean you know because I fly so much in travel I don't want to have to bring one to three different paper dictionaries with me it's just,
very practical and so I have them all right there and it's it's literally seconds away I have them I have my maid dictionaries and links to glossaries on my dock so if I made in my notes doing can second I need to look up something really quick takes probably 5 Seconds.

Alexander D.:
[53:25] Very cool what about you all expect when did you start and why and how.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[53:30] Mine's a lot less glamorous and like a lot last time I saw that you guys I just saw the new iPad Pro and I was like this is like the best thing I ever have to have it and I was like hey.

Alexander D.:
[53:43] Gadget list.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[53:46] Yeah I was Gadget last only got you last minute like you know what if I do some consecutive assignments on this I can totally justify the expense and then I bought it.

Alexander D.:
[53:52] It's a company expense after also.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[53:54] Yeah exactly it's like a total write-off what's the keyboard plus the pencil and whatever and so I got it and I was like a treat yourself moments,
basically at yourself moment with the intention to use it for consecutive in an actually plan on using it three times and then those three consecutive odd jobs and then I was like like right now I can use it again,
I actually have use it now for consecutive quite a few times and I really like it.
I still do carry around at the moment I'm thinking I'm coming around like for notepad with me just because every time you go to a boost equipment providers give you like a free notepad and,
I've been in the past been in the booth and I put the iPad in between me and the college you know so we can take notes on a note taking a nap and I just like a regular no pets but no one's ever dare touch the iPad to take notes when I'm interpreting so I feel like.
On the college party like a little bit of a barrier like they just don't want to get said I'm going to tell you know it's like an expensive piece of equipment that I haven't used it,
just as a note that I saw you in the booth and it's great in the worst perfectly fine but still for that reason I still care on to notepads.
Yeah I like consecutive on an I have to say.

Alexander D.:
[55:14] Yeah it's the same for me but Daddy,
and I need to I need to ask you guys a question did you just start out on the job what did you do a little bit of practice before and because when I serve do workshops in training with the tablet always say you know you can use the tab for consecutive this is how you do it,
please please please please please practice don't just take it on the job and and you know who start out but I can see your face of exterior and you realize that,
you just you just jumped in at The Deep End right.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[55:45] I kind of did I thought about it I thought about it intellectually.

Alexander D.:
[55:51] That's a fancy way of saying it.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[55:53] Talk to you. I talk to you about it because I was running from me the biggest thing was an interview even had a conversation about this on Twitter I remember that to about like what app to use for on sec,
then how
do you do like the flip of the note that you know like when you're done with one section with no but you just flip it back and then your starter 18 slate whereas on iPad if you do like what's called goodnotes I think it is notability.

Alexander D.:
[56:19] Sports that you have a good notices is nice to.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[56:21] So if you do not ability it's like one long,
sheet of paper of imaginary paper and then I was like so how do you find your way you start at that particular section and so on and so forth and so for me I tried that.
Not with the stage 4 like in hypothetical I just like Scribble some notes and I would like okay if I had to find a very quickly would it be able to and I've actually started and I told you I like you didn't reappear with the submission I started using,
Apple notes and for me it works exactly like a proper notepad would because,
how's the work till later that I use it with or in Endive I didn't practice it at home but
dog with speech again I stumble around it was like this is Mark from you okay that works but she doesn't know more about that than I can tell you more.

Alexander D.:
[57:12] Go into detail in a minute yeah.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[57:14] I feel like I'm mostly here as an evangelist for listeners to test say anybody who's not using a tablet should consider.
Right yeah it just makes it easier and it makes you like better and it's it's up to my car.

Alexander D.:
[57:36] No but it's totally true.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[57:37] Ravenna Street.

Alexander D.:
[57:39] We should probably point out that we we do not get any payments from any technology companies of this segment.
We should yeah we totally should get some payment.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[57:49] Trousers.

Alexander D.:
[57:54] Exactly okay so we asked you and you how you how you got into it did you do any sort of pre-planning or any or you just totally totally ready to start.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[58:07] I think I did a little bit of testing around beforehand just to make sure it was it was smooth and I knew how to use the app but you know I may be spent 5 or 10 minutes on it before I took an appointment
because of this might be too much detail but because of how notability works,
you have any functions to be able to refer back to nose before so I don't find it I find it much easier that he was looking back through pages,
is the distraction an appointment if we keep your pages from he's pretty significant to the beginning within you know one or two little touch & Sew,
show me what are easy transition they were no pumps I've never had a technological failure my iPad,
even if I'm on it all day for 8 hours it never goes below 50%.

Alexander D.:
[58:49] Yeah the battery life is just fine that's true yeah maybe talk about the hardware first because I think a stylist is as an absolute prerequisite so,
I take it we all use some of the apple pencil like the official.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[59:03] Yes the official apple pencil with a magnet.

Alexander D.:
[59:07] Yeah it's it's it's super expensive but it's also I think the best if you want to use this for contact yeah I think it's the best option.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[59:15] Terps curious cuz you and your and your trainees in your webinars like you tell people to.
Like track is beforehand but like what do you what do you imagine what the track is look like for for you and your training like what do you recommend people do before jumping in.

Alexander D.:
[59:31] Right yeah I need to I need to give a shout out at this point to Josh Goldsmith with my partner-in-crime for this sort of tablet and dropping stuff from weave with a lot of webinars together and we have a very very very cool project coming up so he's a little bit of a type of a teaser.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[59:44] Teaser.

Alexander D.:
[59:45] Yeah I know we usually recommend
text a little bit and that could be a free sample if you if you go to a practice session with colleagues or with your fellow students if you're at University you can you should have called
the patio speakers with contact knows I think that's really best practice because,
it gives you the option to practice your notes at the same time as you practice your speech making skills so I think that's one thing that you should do and then the easy step is to just ditch the paper on the pendant to do it on your tablet because,
when you prepare a speech you're not in the Heat of the Moment of a contact.
You have time you know you can save reflect a little bit you can delete something try again then maybe find a better symbol and you know you shouldn't you shouldn't be too naughty or two
detail obsessed about it but it's just sort of a safe space where you can test that out and then practice it will maybe you can just do.
Not Justa Cafe giving speeches but also when somebody gives a speech for you and you practice your note-taking skills
just do it on the topic you know what you doing one of those practice sessions when something goes wrong it's not really a big deal you start again or you do what you know do another speech,
just so you can get used to I think the holes of handling and feeling what is it like to to do that on a slab of glass I guess as opposed to,
a piece of paper.

[1:01:09] Because they're awesome that you maybe we can get into that little bit quicker because there are things that are different for example that all these tricks that you learn when you when you do it on a piece of paper for example the sort of classic fold-out cheat sheet.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:01:21] Yes.

Alexander D.:
[1:01:22] Daddy awake and sort of have some figures and names you can't really do that on the tablet but there are other ways of doing it and then also finding the right app
that suits of your mental model of what's the worker should be like for example and you and I both use notability because it has this endless scrolling which I think we both like
the people might feel more comfortable with sit at the whole page turning metaphor I guess and then
different apps that cater to different tastes so I think that's that's I think it makes a lot of sense to explore that until,
saddle with what you like and what works for you before you tried on the on the job.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:01:59] Can I ask you as a really specific question about the iPad Pro with apple pencil.

Alexander D.:
[1:02:04] Sure we can always edit it out.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:02:05] Do you guys use the pencil double tap feature for the eraser.

Alexander D.:
[1:02:13] I turn that off.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:02:14] I do not I turned it off while I turn it off.

Alexander D.:
[1:02:19] I had too many false positives bicycling.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:02:21] Exactly that happened to me a few times and then kind of annoyed me but now I feel like.
It just I want to use it but then it feels like I have to focus so much on not like changing the grip on the pencil to accidentally trigger a double tap that isn't really worth it.

Alexander D.:
[1:02:40] Yeah but I use it for other stuff I mean I use it for example I use the iPad for editing this podcast when I do it with a pencil and a ferret has some peaches where I can use it or maybe for drawing while you mow that deliver it but yeah I knew you were going to say something.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:02:53] Are you saying I've never run across a moment where I wished I could use a double tap feature and it wasn't on you know I just say it wasn't,
practical for me but I understand that it's very useful for someone I found it cumbersome to like it never did it when I eat it and then it did.

Alexander D.:
[1:03:12] But I'm just going to be you know that old fart for a minute because I I still remember practicing some contact on an old iPad with one of these dumb statuses that didn't have 7 Bluetooth connect.
And that was so tiresome and I think.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:03:29] No, Jackson how could you.

Alexander D.:
[1:03:31] Exactly and then set up the software try try me like that but it didn't really work all that well but now we finally have a set apart like when he walks and yeah I just like that I wanted to take a moment to appreciate.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:03:44] If you share it when I had my Surface tablet I tried I dabbled in consecutive on what's it called the trouble notes after Microsoft has.
Useful. I tried to contact and after like two seconds I was like this is not going to work or for me at least like this was never going to work but then what I put it just felt very young.
Natural yeah it is it is just more natural.

Alexander D.:
[1:04:18] Yeah no I mean every time I look at one node my head explodes it's just.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:04:22] Yeah I mean it's not.
Not for consecutive now I think every are wondering what it's like should just in the impossible go to an Apple store and just write a little bit on the iPads and see how,
you have that option available to you if you have an Apple store close by and you don't have to wonder what it might be like you can brag.

Alexander D.:
[1:04:46] And actually I think that's notability is even part of the set of the demo software that they have on iPads I think notability is actually in there so you can even try that that particular app which is great.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:04:56] Or Apple notes which some people also use for Kentucky.

Alexander D.:
[1:04:58] Yeah that's fine and I'm not judging anyone.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:05:01] Number to be fair I actually have to say that I had some troubles in the beginning with writing on the iPad because it is basically a piece of glass so glass and I felt it was quite strange also coming from the surface because the surface pen has
different Ipswich change the friction on the surface Jacob he's like completely smooth or you can have it like a lot of friction and it's wish you a little bit more like paper.
All I did was completely smooth cause the it's like a hard plastic tip for the apple pencil and then overheats on glass so that really took me awhile to get.
Comfortable writing on metal learning first but just get used to it and now it's it feels like second nature.

Alexander D.:
[1:05:46] That's what I meant and yeah it's just different do you need to get here.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:05:48] Is that yeah it's just a friend.

Alexander D.:
[1:05:51] Hasn't has have you tried out any of those set a screen protector is like the other ones called like a paper like the traits of emulate a rougher surface or anything like that because I didn't really like that.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:06:05] Do you have Andrew yet you said yes,
do I have like a good creature like a match cover so it doesn't itch sun glare I guess is what it's called and it also makes the the writing table
I don't know if it's the one that makes me feel paper like they have this one's for those artists in a paper it does change the feel of it it's not as like a.
Slick I guess is it writing directly on the glass you have a little bit of that,
I can start separating that separating layer but it doesn't affect the reaction time reacting like that's just it before so.

Alexander D.:
[1:06:41] Anna Anna Anna Kendrick what's what's of the,
the situation that use the iPad end is it to you sometimes use it sending out because you said something to you or going on location current location and to these facilities do you find yourself standing up,
is that an issue with the iPad because my contact is usually through sitting down at a at a conference table which is quite comfortable so.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:07:05] Show luckily I am usually sat down in detain facilities without a courtroom I am usually just sat down at a chair without a desk so I have it on my lap in front of me,
in medical settings which I don't do so much these days I I do usually stand up and it's never been a problem for me I have the 11 inch 1 and I find it very comfortable to hold in my hand so I know I wish this were,
ergonomic be different because it's uncomfortable it's always been perfectly fine.

Alexander D.:
[1:07:33] Because sometimes there are these specific cases and some of them even come with silver loop where you can put your hand in I think that's like intended for engine years ago and sites and and.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:07:44] Oh wow yeah.

Alexander D.:
[1:07:45] But I've never tried it myself I'm and I'm wondering if that's really necessary I actually have the same experience that you have fun do that.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:07:52] Yeah something like that with some people would find it useful.
Do you guys use with the case cuz I found when I don't use it with the case and I put it on the table sometimes it's a little slippery cuz my hand starts like pushing its I do have like a folio case rounded would like to take Leather So I find a.
Helpful when it's on the table it's on the table when you're leaving your iron doesn't matter one way or the other,
I use the folio the keep keep what's it called the keyboard.

Alexander D.:
[1:08:24] Yeah that's cute.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:08:25] And then I have it in a honestly as well like a carrying case.
Well yeah it's on what's it called it's called packing smooch which is actually a German brand.

Alexander D.:
[1:08:36] How cute.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:08:37] Shut up with the slickness a little bit by,
I I like the Extra Protection as well because it is it is so then I mean it's better than the iPhone you know what I mean.

Alexander D.:
[1:09:00] Yeah which is totally crazy and that's right.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:09:03] Doctor said it's really nice if you do some Connecticut some of my jobs why she like walking around you know on location where you can give you is whatever you standing up somewhere and I've always found the note Pass Me By, since I actually had this like leather a little.
Fonio sing Where Have No dependents or they would have some attitude bility like I should take the note.

Alexander D.:
[1:09:24] Yeah that makes sense.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:09:25] With the iPad it's really nice cuz you just hold it in the end it doesn't flop around so it's actually that is an actual advantage over a note that I signed us.

Alexander D.:
[1:09:34] Describe a rigid yeah yeah.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:09:35] Absolutely.

Alexander D.:
[1:09:37] So maybe two to run the self did you mention that area Alex at you you tried using the iPad serve as a as a notepad in love in the Boost drink simultaneous,
didn't really work out but it's the same for me actually in the booth I usually just use it as a reference tool to look at my documents and you maybe maybe do a quick web search all you know check something in across street and n.
And holds it if using it as a notepad hasn't really taken off for some reason.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:10:06] Canadian band still have a traditional notepad in the booth for simultaneous or how does that look.

Alexander D.:
[1:10:13] I don't but we usually have sort of a few few sheets of paper in the booth that I sometimes use mostly don't use.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:10:21] Mercy.

Alexander D.:
[1:10:24] I have this paper allergy you know.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:10:26] If anyone gives it to you just kind of taking a room with a bed.

Alexander D.:
[1:10:31] It's great that you mention time because it reminded me of a question that I did want to ask you is is the whole and Josh actually looked looked at this during one of his research project
is the whole perception by the client's I mean how do you apply do do they do they even care do they take note do they comment on it does it make you look
modern professional is there anything that you have
instead of taking away from your clients and their reactions to you using the iPad for me it's very it's very quick nobody ever cares nobody ever notices that's about it maybe once or twice but it's been almost nothing
what it's like for you guys.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:11:08] I never had the comment.
I got a lot of people be like oh wow I've never seen him before and then some judges think it's very like technologically-advanced give it to the Giant in state parks
to sign the invoice or whatever the case is or not.

Alexander D.:
[1:11:27] Oh that's so cool.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:11:29] Hand MD iPad because I use what's it called I use Adobe and film,
so I can do my pen in which we Define as if it were normal paper and they can see the whole,
is high visibility brakes they know exactly consigny,
in this context is always, I never had anybody make some for the actor's comments about privacy or about distractions or anything like that if either been anywhere from from neutral positive,
call but I am sometimes work but it looks like action of o.

[1:12:07] Anything can be done on this iPad you know do you know,
eating whatever the case I don't want to get distracted but for the pros outweigh the cons where I am willing to I guess educate people to let them know hey this is really helping me do my job better,
because it's just me so that's how I approach it
so,
I don't actually think of her as anyone ever for like a solid opinion of me using an iPad
I do think in that board called that I mentioned one of the board members has the old iPad Pros I think the first thing that I came in there you would like.
Looking at me a little sideways and I like and I think he didn't really appreciate it but that's the I think that might as well be in my head and I just got to enjoy that moment.

[1:13:00] Yeah but like nobody's ever said anything but I get what you're saying is sometimes clients especially if you know we're in a booth and then like what I'm not interpreting it's a recipe easy conference like I might have put on Angry Birds when it's not my shift,
the technician has seen it in whatever and then you kind of,
how to adjust Financial exchange about whatever you're doing and iPad but then sound like well you know you can also do all of these things in a computer so it's really not that different but it's true yeah so.
I don't know I think it's just actually had one colleague who is super impressed by
squishy after the contractor the entire day was done she said that she was like an iPad and she like all I hate Apple but I really want something exactly like this
cuz I think this is the future.

Alexander D.:
[1:13:49] Bad.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:13:50] And I didn't really like apple but this was really great so maybe you should try and yeah we'll see we'll see,
I offered her some some free consultation,
maybe we need to trouble Terps episode about Troublesome Church episode about like you know Android versus Apple debaser.

Alexander D.:
[1:14:17] For that electrically because we we use both platforms 7 to change a p.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:14:22] Yeah that's very true you know actually.

Alexander D.:
[1:14:24] You even use all three of them you have a.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:14:26] Exactly do you remember you're the very first episode that you and I are just going to ask for line FM and back then I had an Android phone an old iPad and a Windows laptop,
he said well it's not really working out for me cuz it was,
now everything's in the cloud everything is synced anyways like it's just so seamless it's just not even an issue anymore and it just made me laugh,
that's true I mean I considered like I had my,
my dad started buying Apple products in the late 80s and so we always had you know I'm asking whatever the case was growing up so for me it's like I always explain is like it's like my native language I do I do not believe it.
Are superior or inferior to any other language in the world are lots of things but it's just the one I grew up on,
so I'm not like an apple evangelist but it's like I've never had anything different and it works so well why should I change I mean it's just you know.

Alexander D.:
[1:15:22] Oh you just completely made my day and do I think nobody has ever put it quite so well.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:15:27] Actually a really nice matter for a guy,
are you sure I did I don't always how it's been for me so I see no reason to change and I understand the pros and cons on both sides but I was raised I was literally raised on Apple so,
white why learn another language exactly and you know like as Alex knows where he will never change of any system right Alex.

Alexander D.:
[1:15:48] Yes sure.
Different question
no but what up what I was going to say is that I did try if you
it's an atom Android tablets and whether okay and they have their own advantages I I never would have felt,
comfortable enough to use them for a consecutive jump with us with the iPad I tried it and it said this is absolutely no big deal. I can I can use this no worries at all.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:16:16] But on that note Alex because you also have a new phone you got the Samsung Note phone,
a colleague of mine from London actually way back when started buying Samsung Notes and then he actually sold his tablet he so does that happen start doing everything on the Samsung Note so I don't know how that,
but you didn't and you also did consecutive interpreting jobs on the Samsung Note cuz it also has a built-in stylus which,
might actually be a bit needed an iPad because it's like pull out so you can't lose it accidentally so it's just like in there but that's a discussion for a different day but you did all that on the phone,
option.

Alexander D.:
[1:16:49] Neat.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:16:50] Clinton eat are you almost coming for us.

Alexander D.:
[1:16:52] I think it's a little bit too small for me but.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:16:54] Yeah but then you also had a really tiny notepad with him but you no answer.
And he had a very cool holographic Bluetooth keyboard very space-age I was super cool.

Alexander D.:
[1:17:06] Holographic keyboard.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:17:09] Yeah I'm very very very special agent.

Alexander D.:
[1:17:14] Great I'm really wondering if we have given people ideas now or if people are thinking I just don't get it the song.
Cutting stuff what are they talking.
We're going to see what the feedback is like butt.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:17:29] But just one more thing before we wrap things up because we actually just had that the other day on Twitter if you get a knife and if you intend to use it for anything else been pure consecutive jobs if you intend to use it in the booth.
Do a little bit of research only do like a few valence of trainings on what apps you should use on the adapters you need you know especially with iPad OS coming up.
Anatole plug in a USB stick but you will need an adapter so all of those things are things to consider but it's now tell me an option so here we go.

Alexander D.:
[1:18:03] Great well it's been fantastic to have you on this episode Andrew thanks for joining us.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:18:08] Thank you it's been really fun it's been nice meeting you guys virtually and also you know they're not with you and thanks for the invite I really appreciate it's been really cool.

Alexander D.:
[1:18:17] It's been a lot of fun.
And I hope it's it's useful for others not just the tablet contributing stuff but also serve the discussion around consecutive that we had because I feel like sometimes it gets a bit,
rap you know and it's getting use less and less at least an inside of the conference at opening field so I feel like we should sort of stand up for consecutive you know team team consecutive present.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:18:40] Definitely and also have some people know that if they find consecutive terrifying and did horrible in the worst memes ever having them they are not alone there is support.

Alexander D.:
[1:18:47] Exactly.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:18:48] Everyone finds horses.

Alexander D.:
[1:18:51] Maybe maybe we should open like a support group for a contact for people who hate contact with also totally love contacts.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:18:59] Anonymous.
When you deliver really good can sex I mean it's like magic I mean I'm on cloud nine and there is no greater High than this no,
no drug could beat this awesome no client will ever get as impressed by any simultaneous condition as a wolf with a Flawless Kentucky River Edition because they will see what you're doing there and they will already I forgot the entire speech and then you
Deliverance is Flawless Spanish Tomatoes Lord.

Alexander D.:
[1:19:35] And the thing is outside that people sometimes talk about slow and interpreting and I think the closest I've ever gotten to flow was probably doing consecutive in that simultaneous so that you.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:19:43] Oh wow that's a controversial six.

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Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:19:55] Quite strong so I'm not in the state of my constant Panic like I am with consecutive yes.

Alexander D.:
[1:19:58] Right.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:20:02] I know one when doing when you didn't take it when you're doing something and someone says yes that's correct or no that's wrong cuz they don't know.
Well said
Yas Queen.

Alexander D.:
[1:20:13] Okay and I'm not happy notes will close out this episode
shout out to Jonathan will help you out back on the show inside I know he's back for the next episode because we're putting us tomorrow again thanks to Andrew thanks.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:20:28] Sorry sorry.

Alexander D.:
[1:20:31] Yeah we'll catch up another time that's fine
I guess.

Alex G./Andrew B.:
[1:20:37] Thank you thank you very much.

Alexander D.:
[1:20:43] We can all say by usually I cut in the buy at the end of.

[1:20:49] Cool very nice.