Start bubble audio.

Last week before I got a cassette player, just like a cheapo $30 one because there's something so satisfying about this.

Yeah, the tactileness of it.

Yeah.

It's the same reason you enjoy it.

Is this a topic?

Yeah, let's go.

Yeah.

What are we doing?

OK, open the sky.

You will never find the more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Welcome to Beer with Geeks with Tim and Frank.

Who?

Who?

Who?

I'm Batman.

I am Iron Man.

You friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.

Hi Christopher, I'm your old.

My name is Genyou Montoya.

Or a wizard Harry.

A couple of guys with a couple of beers and a whole lot of pop culture nostalgia.

Make it so number one.

Isn't Batman the Beatles?

I mean the dog in the ant life.

Finds a win.

I am serious.

And don't call me sure.

Now sit back and crack open a cold one.

Because it's time for Beer with Geeks.

It comes in paint.

Shaken up stud.

Great.

Scott, I was way off.

I knew it started with an S though.

Hi, welcome to Beer with Geeks for Two Geeks.

The out with Beer.

I'm Tim and with me as always is my man who likes to start clapping before we start recording his Frank.

How are you today?

Hey, I'm doing great buddy.

How are you?

I'm doing great Frank.

I'm doing super super super well.

We are here to talk all things geek.

But first before we do that, what are you drinking today?

So I am drinking a Sam Adams breakaway blonde ale.

Hello.

Yes.

Yeah.

This was from their winter seasonal pack.

That had not porch rocker, but cold snap and a couple of the other wintertime ones.

Yeah, it's a really nice light.

Not not super late.

It's a blonde ale, right?

Right.

So it's a bit of a dryness, but not too much.

Yeah, it's sort of the red wine of beers, right?

So it's beers.

The red wine of beer.

Yeah.

Yeah, very balanced during it.

It's a little a hop on night.

It's a little touch of hops.

I really, really enjoy it.

That's awesome.

I love that for you.

Speaking of the winter pack.

Oh, yes.

I'm drinking a Sam Adams alpine blogger.

There you go.

From the very same pack.

The very same pack.

Brisk and smooth.

We are not in the same room.

So this was completely accident.

Yes, completely accidental.

But you know, from our perspective, the other here in the north, when you the further north, it's still winter.

And so yes, spring has I yes, bring it.

So this is a legitimate beer.

I don't know what's on tap.

And any of the places, it's still winter.

No, it absolutely still is.

Yes, 99 degrees outside over here.

It's still winter.

Mm hmm.

Yeah, exactly.

So I still got piles of snow on some street corners that have melted.

Really?

Still?

Yeah.

Wow.

Well, you are further north than I have been.

Yeah, I haven't had snow in a little while, but.

We've had we've had a couple of 50 degree days, you may be touched 50.

Oh yeah.

A once or twice so far this spring, this late winter.

Oh yeah, we know we've had quite a few over here.

Yeah, OK.

Yeah.

But yeah, right a few.

It's definitely felt like spring for a week or so.

Mm hmm.

It was like, but just getting it still winter.

Yeah, that's right.

I don't really mind.

I like the winter.

I do not.

Real I've never liked winter.

I always hated winter.

Oh no.

That's-- Yeah.

If you could up and move to Arizona, would you?

No, because my family is here and stuff.

So like-- OK, in a morbid twist of question.

Sure.

Here's been an accident now.

It's-- Hey, no, no, no.

In a perfect world, I don't think-- I don't think I would want to live that far out west.

I think I might settle for somewhere in the Midwest.

That's a little bit more little milder than West known for its mild winters.

Yeah.

Yeah, I know what you mean, though.

Slightly south Midwest, where it's like, you're not like on the Gulf of Mexico, but you're like not in Tornado Valley.

Yeah.

If such a place exists, I don't think-- Yeah, I don't know that it does.

The top of Louisiana?

OK, how about this?

What I'm saying is-- and I mean this in the most realistic way.

I basically just want to live in a Kansas that's in the Wizard of Oz.

And I don't really-- that is just that, but only that.

OK.

No, you know, really, truly, though.

I could see myself doing some version of go spend a month or two with the family in another country, and then for big chunk of the winter, and then come back the rest of the year.

OK, I can settle for that.

I don't think I want to live in the Kansas of the Wizard of Oz.

They're twisters, and there are middle-aged women who try to take your dogs away from you.

And it's the dust bowl.

Mm.

It's just a really bad combination of things, actually.

Truly is.

You know, the Wizard of Oz's whole central thesis is that you should never leave home, because home is the most important thing.

And then-- Yeah, it is kind of if you go somewhere to have a life or to have your own idea of want or need.

Like, it-- Yeah, yeah.

There's no place like home, so why would you leave home?

Right.

This no place like home.

That's like, why would Dolly-- Dolly-- I don't need to.

Yeah.

It's so specific to that time.

Yes.

Like, don't we need you on the farm?

Because first you're with her.

She's like, yeah.

I want to go over the rainbow.

And it's going to be great.

And as soon as she gets over the rainbow, she's like, I need to go home immediately.

Yeah.

This is terrible.

I hate it.

Like, that is what happens.

Essentially, I mean, it really is a tale of a little girl who dreamed big and got to-- oh, wow, I got to realize my dreams.

But then I realized that home is better after all.

I am-- I really-- it's scary out there.

Ooh, yeah.

You know, you'd better off just saying home.

It seems great.

It seems all glitz and glam and munchkins and everything.

And emerald cities and horses of different colors.

But what's that thing where the Amish send their kids out to go-- No, room sprigger.

Room sprigger, right?

It feels like that.

Here's your room sprigger.

Kills two.

That's it.

Yeah.

I need to go all in midi.

It's your dust bowl room sprigger.

Yeah, it goes.

My daughter has gotten into the Wizard of Oz quite recently.

Oh.

She woke up sometime last week.

And she was like, Daddy, can we watch the Wizard of Oz?

And I said, those words have never come out of your mouth before.

Dang.

What?

Didn't even know you knew that was a bogey.

[LAUGHTER] Wow.

Yeah.

So of course, she loves the Wicked Witch more than anything because she's my kid.

So like the Wicked Witch-- She always likes the villains, right?

Always.

It's like you can count on it now.

Because it's amazing.

That's amazing.

Or are these walking around with the scarecorder?

She's like, where's the witch?

I watched Snow White for the first time with me yesterday, first time.

I've read the book.

I've read the book, whatever.

Snow White's on screen, singing with the animals.

She's like, where's the witch?

Where's the queen?

She's in her castle.

Just relax.

Snow White.

Be Snow White.

And she's not unhappy to watch other characters.

Yeah, yeah.

But she thinks the witch shows up and she's like, there she is.

Or the queen shows up.

There she is.

This is way better.

So it's great.

My favorite thing is I've got her to say she said the thing.

Now, have I told you this?

The thing?

Yeah, so when a character says something that you actually they say all the time, I'll get you my pretty in your little dog, too, or whatever.

She'll turn to me.

She said, hey.

[LAUGHTER] Oh my gosh, that's precious.

She does it on her own.

I don't tell her what the thing is.

So she just-- she'll say like, I don't know.

Like, it's awesome.

You get there.

She'll be like, Luke, all right.

It'll be like, no, I am your father.

And he said the thing.

Like, you know, it's awesome.

It's so entertaining.

It is really entertaining.

It doesn't have in tons, but it is-- Frank, speaking of entertainment, what we started reporting, I noticed that you have a fine piece of entertainment right behind you.

Oh, yes.

And so can you please tell the people listening at home at my eyes what I'm looking at?

Yeah, we were just talking about-- I picked up this collector's edition, VHS collector's edition of the Star Wars trilogy.

It's the 1995 THX edition for collectors.

It's that famous one with Vader, Stormtrooper, and Yoda on the covers.

So I just always liked the look of this set, and I never owned it.

So I picked it up on eBay for $25 in very nice condition, like very good condition.

And Tim was admiring the box it came in.

I was showing him that the widescreen, as I dropped Empire, the widescreen edition came in a collector's box that I'll link to in the show notes.

And it's just fun to collect legacy media, classic formats of media, even if just for the display piece.

I actually did watch these, and I made digital copies for myself to sort of archive them.

It's like, yeah, so in case one day that because that actually does die because it's just 30 something years old.

Yeah, yeah.

Then I don't know.

I just like-- yeah, I'm like that.

I'm a digital pack rat, and I archive such things.

No, that's OK.

It's funny.

You could go in one direction or the other, right?

You're like, I have 1,000 cassette tapes.

Yes.

Or VHS tapes.

Or I have 1,000 digital files.

I'm like, well, one of them takes up much less room in the garage.

This is true.

Yeah, so a pack rat, your digital stuff, all you want.

Who cares?

Like, yes, yes.

What are you going to do?

Get another external hard drive?

Go for it.

You know, like whatever.

That's fine.

You kind of turned me on to, in some ways, to thinking about collecting older things.

I have before in my-- I have a Commodore 64 anymore in my office.

Right.

Didn't come with the rest of it.

I just came with the keyboard, which is my best part.

I don't want the monitor that doesn't work like whatever.

What the keyboard that doesn't work.

Yeah, go on.

At least it clicks, you know?

Maybe yes.

Right?

I love old technology that people don't care about anymore.

Like, it is fun to collect, but it is also really fun to collect things that are actually inexpensive.

Yes.

Yeah, so I got-- I have a cassette player myself.

Wasn't that snap?

Ah.

It's good stuff.

But I got the-- Frank, you know this.

I got the-- on eBay, the ABCs, 1980s, Lord of the Rings, radio show, all in cassette tape.

Came into, like, a really nice box.

It's good stuff.

How-- Kissettes is that?

Is it, like, 10?

What are you going to see?

A great question.

Missy, you-- I'll count you talk.

Yeah, it's a very nice-looking box.

Also, a long deluxe edition box that has all the cassettes.

Like, gilded edge cassettes all throughout it.

And it looks like it's about-- How many?

13.

13.

Because they're on the wild.

It's like, now I have the digital of this.

It's on Audible.

Like, it went on digital.

I had-- when I was a kid, I had the CDs.

They got from-- so I think my mom gave them to me.

So that was, like, really-- not my first exposure to the Lord of the Rings.

I had already-- I think by the time I got the CDs, I had already read the books.

And I had definitely seen the movies.

But it was a great way of keeping up with the story and kind of sinking into my subconscious or whatever.

But no idea what happened to the CDs.

And they're actually quite expensive.

Yes.

But the tapes are basically the same quality.

And they're just so-- they're just so fun.

So I guess my question for you is, like, are we stupid?

[LAUGHTER] A little bit.

A little bit.

You know, we are as nostalgic.

I think is really what we are.

I-- Oh, that's difficult.

Let's go and back.

It is.

Yeah.

It is.

I've been on-- into vinyl-- I mean, really, I've been into vinyl like my whole life.

But I've really been participating in the vinyl culture the last year or two.

A lot have been building up my collection more, keeping track of it and stuff.

And from there, I've sort of gotten into cassettes and CDs to a degree.

And just enjoying listening to stuff on those old formats.

It is a nostalgic thing for me.

The very much for the same reason that people like paper books.

[GRUNTING] You know?

A great question.

So is it-- All right.

Is it-- that's how I approach it anyway.

All right.

So can you-- all right.

I don't know if I can get on board with that the same way.

I understand the idea of like, sure.

I say with like our many paper books behind me.

Yes.

A ton of paper books right behind me.

Yes.

So but the paper book hasn't really changed.

So you've argued that there is a difference between reading a hardcover, reading a trade paper back, which is the bigger, softer cover, than the mass market, which is like the smaller pocket sized.

But they're all physical books.

Yes.

But the quality of what I'm looking at on the page is basically the same.

But the sound quality is different between the final, between the cassette, between the CD, and the digital file.

Yeah, no.

You're right.

You're right.

Yeah.

So that's why I think you're right.

Because I go through waves of interest in how I read my media.

So we'll actually depend.

So I prefer to read my comics digitally.

I don't want the trade paper back.

I don't want the single issues anymore.

I only want it digitally.

But I prefer my books in print.

So I go through strong waves of reading on my Kindle, where I just feel like it's time to read on my Kindle.

But as far as music is concerned, or audio books, whatever, I basically always prefer digital.

And this cassette thing is like, I'm not going to go out and get every audiobook that I've ever watched on cassette, or any piece of music.

Because it is-- I wasn't even inferior.

But I'm in it for the clicky sound.

And not necessarily for something in my hand, but not necessarily for the quality of the product.

Right?

I get you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

You already have on your phone, you already have the best quality version of the product.

Right.

You already have the highest fidelity recording that you're going to have.

But listening to it on cassette is you're not listening to it because of the audio quality.

You're listening to it because you like the whole thing of opening the cassette and taking it out and putting it in and rewinding it.

And like all of that stuff that surrounds it, the tactile stuff that surrounds it, is that what you're saying?

Yeah, you know what?

But to keep going on that, I like that.

But I'll be damned if I get a DVD or a Blu-ray.

And I have to put that into the DVD player.

Same.

Same.

I'm not doing it.

Yeah.

Like I'm just not doing it.

So like, what's the difference?

Why will I willingly, like, OK, I'm on cassette number 10 and do you have to open it up and do the-- but I won't do that from like, all right, we're going to watch, I don't know, something.

It's a movie, Air Force One.

It's real.

Yeah.

And it's like, oh, no, it's not streaming.

Oh, well, well, I don't feel like going to get the DVD.

So we're just going to skip it.

Yeah.

Just like skip it.

Right.

What's the difference?

You said you watched those three Star Wars movies that you got on cassette on the Adrebs.

Yes.

You put them in a VCR, which the world has forgotten its name.

I feel-- People call it the Adrebs player.

Yes.

Right.

But that's not what it is.

It's the VCR.

The DCR.

Everyone called it anyway.

Yes.

I know.

This was a word that everyone used 20 years ago.

And now we've just-- we've flossed it completely.

So it's gone.

Nope.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Anyway.

How old are we?

No kidding.

Well, that's OK.

Whatever.

So like, were you were fine putting those tapes in?

Yes.

But you have the DVDs to Star Wars.

We're in the Blu-ray's, I'm sure.

Blu-ray's, I do.

Yes.

Yeah.

So like, but you won't put those in.

Yeah.

Not unless I-- not unless I'm really-- I feel really motivated.

I'll say this about Blu-rays.

If it's a movie that I really-- I want the-- if I want to watch-- if I'm ready to sit down and watch the best picture quality I can get, Blu-ray is going to be better than streaming.

It's like, buy a lot, especially if you-- yeah.

If you're going to do that, it's going to stream it a much higher-- it's going to play it a much higher bit rate and the data is right there rather than having to stream it over the internet.

Anyway.

So that's the one thing where I sometimes am like, all right.

Tonight, I feel like watching Terminator, but I want to watch the-- my nice Blu-ray of it that that's one thing.

But most times, I'm not doing that.

Most of the time, it's just, oh, Air Force One isn't on streaming.

OK.

Well, I don't feel like it.

Oh, well.

So I guess my next question-- so my next question is, is it the type of physical media that actually is bothersome?

And I remember really thought about this before.

But like, my wife and I also do a lot of vinyl.

So like-- Yes, that's right.

I'll put it on the vinyl.

Like, you know, if that's easy.

Even if we had cassettes, if that was the thing, I'd put on the cassette.

But I don't want to put on the CD.

And I don't want to put on the Blu-ray.

And I don't want to put on the DVD.

And here's why.

You can't touch it.

Yeah.

You can't really hold a CD.

You have to put it on the side.

You can't like, oh, you swooshy or this.

And they're finicky and they scratch-easy.

And all this stuff that goes along with it.

And they're just not as-- I don't want to say fun to handle.

But they're just like, they're not as fulfilling.

Because like, I can wave a cassette tape around.

And I can hold it whatever which way I want.

And I can just to collate with it.

And I can do whatever.

And it's not going to damage the product.

And I can basically do that with a vinyl too.

Like, I could hold it horribly, you know.

But like-- Does that make sense?

Yeah.

So you are really like-- Yeah.

I get what you mean about like, just being able to-- have it not be so fragile, have it something in an object you can interact with more, rather than like, OK, try not to touch it.

Just put it in the machine.

You're arguably trying not to interact with the disc.

Like, the object is to touch it as little as possible.

Right.

So if we're going to do that, I might as well take the next leap forward and just stream it, which is the least amount of interaction.

Exactly.

That's interesting.

I haven't thought about it that way.

So this is interesting that that's how you see it.

I've thought about it from like, for me, it's the formats that I have nostalgia for versus the ones that I don't.

The nostalgia for it were like curiosity about.

But like, I don't have nostalgia for DVDs because they never went anywhere.

And they're from my lifetime.

So like, that's just not-- But something on that.

But obviously, tapes are from your lifetime too.

But they pre-existed me too, right?

So like, that's part of the allure of it for me.

I am more around the first DVD.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I-- yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

You remember the first DVD you ever got?

I think it was-- yes, I think it was The Andy Griffith Show.

I think it was like a few episodes of The Andy Griffith Show.

Strangely.

That's so awesome.

Like, so on par with what I would hope and expect from you.

I think it was like on sale at Walmart and like where we got our DVD player.

And so that Jack came home with us.

That's awesome.

That's awesome.

I don't know the exact timeline of mine.

It's either like one or the-- it's like one or the other way around.

I'm pretty sure it goes like this.

For my first DVDs, I got-- were for my eighth grade graduation.

Pretty sure.

Pretty sure my eighth grade graduation.

And it was Citizen Kane and Air Force One.

Quite a double billing.

Yeah.

If there ever was one.

And so if it worked the other way, the first one I got was Jurassic Park 3, which I would have gotten for Christmas.

So I'm just not sure.

I'd have to just look.

I can't remember when Jurassic Park 3 came out, whether it was 2001 or 2002.

I got to choose my one look up.

Actually, I will solve the history of my life right now.

Yeah, that seems worth it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Knowing full well that it took like six months for the thing to come out on DVD.

Jurassic.

Park 3 came out 2001.

OK.

So it came in the summer of 2001.

So that means it would have gone it for Christmas of 2001, which means it was not my first one.

OK.

Right?

Because I graduated.

Oh, I see.

Hey, here's the-- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What?

So there it goes.

There we go.

Yep.

Arguably, my first DVDs are better movies.

So-- Yeah.

Like, satisfied with that turn of events.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah, for each the nostalgia thing, that's what does it-- like, I loved the experience of, like, it reminds me of, like, oh, yeah, it used to look like this, or it used to sound like this.

And in some cases, I do like the sound of vinyl.

I do like the sound of a cassette.

I'm nostalgic for the sound of a cassette.

I've actually-- Rainy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It just reminds me of, like, it has like a cozy feel for me.

It reminds me of, like, being a kid.

It's just like a-- it's not like-- I actually have done-- gone as far as, like, recording, you know, like, a Spotify playlist onto a cassette just for the vibes.

Just using to it, like, what it sounds like on tape.

Do you do that old school, like, where you get a blank cassette, and you hit record?

Yes.

You set it next speaker, and you just let it go.

I plugged my iPad into-- into my tape recorder, yeah, and just hit play on the iPad and record on the tape.

Yeah.

And then just listen to it later.

Like, I just turned the sound down on the speakers and went about my day, and then listened to the tape later when I had the chance.

Yeah, just purely for the vibes.

And it was fun.

I'm not doing it every day.

I mean, it's a time-intensive thing.

But, like, yeah, it was a fun thing to do, just to sort of enjoy the vibe.

What do you do with your cassette player?

Like, you have.

Like, do you walk around with it?

Or, like, do you go out with it?

Like, how do you use it?

Yeah, I mostly use it either walking around my house.

And, you know, I work at home, so I'm talking about, like, during the work day.

Or honestly, in bed.

Like, I'll fall asleep to something on tape.

It's the channeler for friends.

You are a strong con...

Yes.

Yeah, I'm used to smoke.

Well, is there...

Oh, a piece of, like, older tech that you, like, want to invest some of your time in?

Because, like, argument collecting tapes or whatever is pretty cheap, like...

It's a very cheap hobby, yeah.

That's been my favorite thing about this.

Yeah.

It's like, it's almost harder to find them than it is to, like, just collect them.

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Yeah.

Yeah, you can pick up audio cassettes for a dollar or two, for the most part.

You know, like, people have lots of them.

They'll be like, "Oh, there's 50 cassettes from the '80s."

And, like, you can pick them up on eBay for 30 bucks or something.

Like, it's very cheap and easy hobby to get into.

But I...

Yeah, I don't know.

I find that to be one of the...

Another, like, fun thing about it, right?

It's like, "Oh, it doesn't even cost a lot to get into it."

But anyway, to answer your question, why is it a format that I haven't?

There's not many left at this point I feel like that I haven't had a chance to dabble in.

I don't know.

It's an interesting...

It's an interesting...

To take a step away from, like, entertainment, like, media, but still, like, old tech.

I've never had the chance to sit down and use a classic Macintosh, like the first 1984 Mac and Youtuber.

Oh, that happened when I was in school.

Ah, see, we had Apple IIs.

Oh, really?

And then we...

Apple IIs, I mean, really the ones that, like, went to school, right?

Yes.

So, it would be the ones...

Yeah, so...

Unsurprising that...

Yes, yeah, yeah.

Oregon Trail.

Oh, yeah, we had those two.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We had original, like, one button.

One button Mac, nice.

Mac, yeah.

Then I had...

We had iMacs.

That was the first Mac I ever interacted with, was the orange iMac.

Let's say that would...

In some ways, that was also the...

Like, the first one I spent a lot of time with, because the bookstore I worked at in high school had iMacs as...

That was our database and computer system.

Ah.

The transparent, like, turquoise and all of that.

Yeah, yes.

Bondi Blue.

Bond's I-Bose, that what it was called?

Yes, Bondi Blue.

Like, Bondi Beach in Australia.

Yeah, my gosh.

Yeah, that's what...

And I hated it.

Yeah.

Like, it was an awful system, and it, like, kept me away from Macs for so long.

Yeah.

Like, even people using them in college, I said, "No, I'm not doing it.

I'm not switching over."

Even though I wanted the iPhone and not the Android, I recognized it superiority early.

Mmm.

I want to make the switch.

Mmm-hmm.

Yeah.

I would like to go back to older phones.

That's what I kind of miss.

Oh, like...

Like, I just stripped down, like, I just need the messages, and the messages, maybe email, and, you know, like, I don't even need phone calls.

I don't need the whatever.

Yeah.

Like, I think I do miss that, like, ability to remove myself.

Yeah.

It's a device easier, like, apart from, like, when you're kidding, you're like, "I might get a technical assistant."

It's so unsure, but, like, yeah.

But, yeah.

That's what I think I would love to, like, go about, for a couple of days with an older phone, even, like, a blackberry with a keyboard.

Mmm-hmm.

But let me just go backwards for a little while.

I do like that idea.

I've done sort of, like, "Oh, I'm going to, you know, not use my phone for...

It's Saturday.

I'm going to put it in a drawer for 24 hours or whatever."

I've done that, like, once or twice.

It's hard to do, just to keep it tough with family and stuff, either, right?

So, it's hard to do.

But I have a thought a lot that, like, I would love to have a weekend phone that was just, like, a dumb phone, like, just for weekends.

So, I could still, like, I could still text, but it's going to be T9.

So, like, you know, it's going to entice me to detect as little as I need to, and that kind of thing.

And there are, you can do that, and there are, you know, there's this thing called the Light Phone, and there's a few others like it, but, like, it's a...

Yeah, a little modern-day dumb phone.

Yeah.

You can sort of switch between that and your smartphone.

I think you set something up with your phone company, and it allows your number to go to both places or something like that.

It just sounds like a very fiddly thing to set up, and you've got to be able to phone company, and I don't want to deal with it.

So, it doesn't really sound like it.

The Light Phone is, like, 300 bucks.

It's expensive.

Yeah, expensive.

I thought about, like, trying to find a used one or something on eBay or whatever, but yeah, regardless.

Yeah, it's just expensive, and it's paying the neck to set up, and so I haven't...

That's not the solution I'm looking for.

I wish there was a way to...

I don't think that technology is also, like, quite there yet.

No.

I mean, because it's like my list of specifications for things that I want the, like, this Low-Tech Phone to do is, like, well, I would love it if I could still have my honorable.

Oh, sure.

And group text.

See, but I have an iPod.

I have an iPod for that.

You could, but then, like, all of a sudden, now you're carrying three or four devices, like, it's 2008, and you're like, yeah, but why?

Yeah.

I mean, you could just not, I guess.

You're good.

Right.

Because, like, either way, you're still, like, looking at a blue light screen, which is really the kind of the point of, like, one of the reasons...

One of the reasons to step away.

To step away.

So, it is interesting, like, when you take away some stuff, like, you know, you social media, cleanse or whatever, and you take those things away from your phone and your phone, and you're all of a sudden, you're just like, well, it's in my hand.

So, it is incredible what you end up going to and pretty much what you ignore, like, everything else.

You don't know if games are social media.

You're just like, well, there's the news.

Yeah, baby, yeah.

It's like, okay, or a book, or a book.

But, see, this is where I've been making space where I can for, like, to sit and sit and sit.

And just listen to an album.

Like, just sit in front of my stereo and just listen to music for 45 minutes.

And, you know, maybe have my phone there, but, like, really trying not to look at it.

I'm looking at it as little as I can, and just really, like, the only reason to pick up my phone and be like, "Oh, who played guitar in this album?"

And I'm like, "Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was Peter Franton, okay, yeah."

You know, like, whatever, like, that kind of thing.

But, like, as soon as I, my curiosity is satisfied, put it back down.

Don't look at the red dots.

And it's just, it's been a nice, I can't do it, you know, every, certainly can't do it every day.

But, like, you know, when I have a few minutes where, like, you know, my kid is napping or whatever, on, like, well, weekend or whatever, that might be what I'll spend part of that nap time doing.

It's like, okay, let me throw, you know, ahh, band on the run just had its 50th anniversary release on vinyl.

Let me throw that on and, like, sit down and really listen to it closely and be able to, like, enjoy the nuances of the sound.

I think that's a wonderful place for you to start telling people where they could find a spank.

Oh, beerwithdiques.com.

Certainly, gotta mention that one.

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You can rate and review us there too, subscribe.

And, you know, you can always find us at patreon.com/thoughtbubbleaudio if you wanna find us and say, here, take my money.

That also is nice.

That also is good.

Yes.

So, Frank, it is lovely to be here with you using our high tech technology to talk about low technology.

It is a wonderful thing.

It is.

Oh, until next time, cheers.

Cheers.