[Music] Look, up in the sky! You will never find the more wretched hive of scum and gimme. Welcome to "Beer with Geeks" with Tim and Frank. Who? Um. Are you? I'm Batman. I am Iron Man. You friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. Hi Christopher, I'm your old. My name is Geny Roman Toya. You're a wizard Harry. A couple of guys with a couple of beers and a whole lot of pop culture nostalgia. Make it so, number one. Isn't Batman the Beatles? I mean the dog in the ant life. Finds a win. I am serious. And don't call me Shirley. Now sit back and crack open a cold one. Because it's time for "Beer with Geeks". It comes in paint? Shaken not stirred. Great! God! I was way off. I knew it started with an S though. I ain't welcome to be with Geeks for "Too Geeks" if you got with beer. I'm Tim and with me as always is my trailer watching Star Wars friend. It's Frank. How are you today? Tim, your eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them. Indeed. Yes. Other things that Jedi say. But sit over and over again over a couple of years. Yes indeed. That's why they got in trouble Frank. They keep saying the same thing but nobody actually listens to their own advice. It's true. Yes. That's the deal. Anyway Frank, we're here to talk about Star Wars, the acolyte, the trailer that dropped pretty recently. Well, today, tomorrow, next week, yesterday. What is time? Recently. Yes. Recently. Yes. So we're going to talk about that. But first Frank, you're going to tell me what you're drinking. What are you drinking? I'm kicking back with a corona. A dude. I'm just... Yes. I'm just enjoying a corona. You know? Well, we're the good corona. Just one of those nights. You know, did you... (laughs) ...when COVID was coming around and people were like, "Don't drink corona." Oh yeah. So coronavirus in there. Spock fell and I remember going out with some colleagues before. The world shut down. Like they were like, "Go home the world shut down." I'm like, "Well, we're going to go out one last time for two weeks." And then... But we had corona's. I remember this. Like we were like, "We're doing it." It might be in this beer. (laughs) Oh, silly. Anyway. I think I saw you the day before that. Did you? Really? We met up at a Panera. Yes. Oh my gosh. That's right. It was a day or two before that. You were the last person I hung out with. Yes. I did know that you were the last person that I hung out with. That would not work people. Apart from work people, yeah. Yeah. But I completely forgot about the Panera. And when that was. Because I was just used to the... I'm still... I was used to the filtered dad. I don't hang out with anybody anymore. Yeah. (laughs) What is time? Yeah. Frank, I am drinking a shipyard pumpkin. (gasps) I'm not really out of heat. But it's delicious. It's all the same. So I don't really care. So something really defined speaking of like defiance is really something like defined about drinking a beer off season. Oh yeah. It's what you have stout in July. Like... (laughs) It's sea. Yeah. Sometimes it's just nice. But that's really all it is. It's like... I don't know. It's like, yeah, it's not seasonal, but I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it. It's a whole taste of winter. I know. I'm outside and it's like a slightly cool summer night. I have fire. Stout's way to go. Like, I don't want... Sure, yes. A light and crisp at that point. I don't even want the light and crisp if it's hot out. Well, yeah. Yeah. I mean, like when we go up to camp, which is what us New Englanders say, when we go up to hang out by a lake, yeah, like in the sun, absolutely, I'm having like a PBR. Sure. Absolutely, right. Yeah. You like PBR? Does anybody like PBR? No, okay. I feel like that's the answer I needed to, you know. Yeah. Like, yes, of course, the king of all beers. Hey, it won a blue ribbon for a reason. By who? Who gave it that ribbon? It was a very prestigious award. It was won. It's on the camp. 150 years ago or something. It was on the camp. Like, they... Like, the lost art of ribbon folding. We don't know how they did it. We can't do that again. It's, yeah, no. Can't. Incredible. Speaking of things that were lost and are found again, Star Wars, the acolyte of a show that's coming out. June 4th, drop in two episodes, takes place like what is it? I think it's like 80 years before Phantom Menace, I think it's supposed to something like that. Because it takes place during the era of the High Republic, where the Sith are not a thing. The Jedi fight pirates. And so forth that this show is supposed to be about the re-emergence of the Sith. Or like, some particular fashion. Because, like, as we know, Mace Windu is very clear about whether the Sith are back or not. He's like, they're not. Like, we would know everyone if they were back. So, hold down. We would know it's fine. It's fine. Don't worry about it. So, and so I am looking forward to this. I do know that the show runner, she had Russian doll on Netflix. Was that the show? I believe so. Yeah. She said that, like, they wanted a show from the perspective of the Sith or from the perspective of the villains. Lucas filmed it. And she said, "Oh, well, you should do the when they're outnumbered, like, during the High Republic. Because that would be like, technically they're the underdogs." Sure. So, it would be a little, it's easier to root for the underdog, even when they're bad. It was quite insightful. And that was enough for me to be like, "Oh, yeah, I'm doing it." Like, yeah. Yeah. Coming from Leslie Hedlund. That's right. Thank you. I think, because I really enjoyed Russian doll. And I feel like the success of Andor makes me feel like a show from a creator like her could really, really be a big hit. Absolutely. Especially one that is, we dance around the Jedi a lot at Lucasfilm, like since the saga is, or the sequel trilogy is over, I think Ahsoka was our first real entry point again into Jedi. And so, but here's one Jedi and another Jedi. This is like, here's seven Jedi with their yellow lightsabers. Yes. And we're just gonna have a good time. I'm very excited. There's a couple of things. Okay. [laughter] Before nine minutes ago, I was like... Two minutes for you to watch it. Yeah, exactly. I, I, before nine minutes ago, now ten minutes ago, I didn't really understand what this show was about, other than like what I had heard when, when they was announced. But I didn't really have a good picture in my mind's eye of what it was about. But now seeing a trailer, I'm like, "Okay, now I see it, now I get it." And now I'm excited about it. I'm very excited about it, very suddenly. Now, what's interesting about this trailer is that we know that the show is supposed to be from the perspective of the Sith or the bad eyes with the dark side, whatever, dark Jedi. But they're not the focal point of the trailer. And they're not our point of entry characters. So like, is it, is an interesting way to cut a trailer in a show because like, they're showing us the thing we know. Right, we know Jedi, we know Padawans, and they're like, and the master is talking to the mess master soul for those of you who are keeping track, SOL, and watch it with Coast captioning on. And it told me a lot of information. Um, Bridget, that's master soul. The guy that he talks to that's like, you know, I saw darkness or I saw evil or I saw whatever that guy said. It said that he was a prisoner. Or I was like, "Well, I guess that thing we saw just before we saw that guy is a prison." Like, there you go. See, this thing, things like that. You learn from cross captioning. It's called spoilers, right? You learn spoilers. Well, spoilers were useful insights. It's true. Well, sometimes, Coast captioning can be like, Joe dies. Oh, yeah, it can go off. Whatever. And you're like, oh no. It will sometimes. Yeah. I have seen it where like, it will say a character's name. We're not even supposed to know who that is yet. Oh, yes. You know, and it's like, well, now, but I know who it is. So Liam Neeson shows up on screen and Batman begins and it's like, "Rayshow ghoul." Yeah, that kind of thing. Yes, like exactly that kind of thing. You messed it. I have had that happen, so. Yeah. Yeah, messed it up. What were some of the things that stood out to you in this trailer where you were like, "Ooh, I would like to know more about that one, please?" Yeah. Okay. So I, the Wookie, honestly. Master Kanaka, I think his name is. I'm not looking. I looked it up earlier. Yeah. Not doing it now, but I'm pretty sure it's Jedi Master Kanaka. Okay. A great Wookie name if there ever was one. Yes. He's an Aka. All I remember hearing that it's Jonas, the guy who plays Chewy. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. I forgot about that, actually. Yeah. I like that guy. Glad he's been. Mm-hmm. That's D.A. Wookie. Yes. I guess. He is the successor to Peter Mayhew in so many ways. Absolutely. Because there's one shot of a green Jedi that I'm not sorry or not. She is in the High Republic. Mm-hmm. I'm actually going to use my one look up for this. Okay. Wow. Because it's important. Well, that seems worth it. I was while you're looking that up. I was excited by a lot of the casting. Actually, like we mentioned Jonas, but like soul is a master soul is from Squid Game. Oh, is he? Yeah. And you have, you know, Carrie Anne Moss. I'm excited. Manny Jacinto from the Good Place. Yeah. So there's some really, really great names attached to this. Obviously, Leslie has landed at the top running the thing. Carrie Anne Moss, I wasn't listening. Yes. Carrie Anne Moss, yes. Yeah. She's got a great don't mess with me. Oh, yeah. Like, you know, like the eyebrow arc is just like it's top notch. Oh, my God. But I do like that entry point of like, it's like the trailer is literally saying, you know this story, but we're going to tell you that story over there. Like literally the trailer is directing you as to like, Hey, here's the part you're familiar with, but this is actually a story about that shadowy figure way up there on that rock. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Come on. What's his name? Oh, my gosh. Darth Maul? No. Have you ever heard the tale of Obi-Wan Jedi master? Oh, Syphideas. Yeah. No, Syphideas was around. Who are the clones for the clones? So this is too far away. Oh, my gosh. Palpatine's master. So what if it's Syphideas is alive, but he hasn't done that yet. And I'm not going to let me know. He's alive. So it's very far. Yoda's alive, which I'm yeah. I'm like, is Mace Windu alive? I don't think so. I don't know how long I don't know how long, you know, where he's from and how long people live there. There's before the Phantom Menace. I think he like, Mace Windu is just like a regularly aged person. So like he's in his 40s. But what if he's not? We don't know that. That's true. We don't know that. I don't know that for sure. We don't know that he's just a regus. Wow. Oh, Darth, yeah. Sure. We weren't helping me there at all. I got I got just I have a good track. You're like too busy worrying about how old Mace Windu is in this age of rape. But but that's okay. That green Jedi is Vanessa Rowe, who is the youngest person to ever become a Jedi. Oh, she was she became a Jedi Knight. She was 15. And she also has a purple lightsaber. Like Mace Windu is she from Clone Wars? What's she from? She's from the High Republic. Oh, oh, from the High Republic. Yeah. So all these characters are some of them. I think that most of them are new to the show except or to the High Republic. They're original to the show except for her, where she's like she's just a kid in what you follow as the High Republic now, but she's clearly like she's a full adult then. And she has a purple lightsaber and she uses the force to make it into a lightsaber whip. Love that. Yeah. Why not, right? Yeah. Why not? Yeah. I don't know that I just I do think that like I am excited to watch it. But yeah, like I do I it did feel lacking to me in some way and I can't really put my finger on why I was kind of like like I'm excited, but like yeah, I'm excited. It might be because it is going to sound stupid. It feels like Star Wars. It does feel like Star Wars. And which is good. A good thing. I wanted to feel like Star Wars. But like it's just like I think it's more like it's just the what they showed me there. Like here's a CD bar here. Yeah. Here are Jedi in the temple. And like I have seen these things, especially CD bars, you know, quite frequently. And I just like it just I just kind of like would like to see other things. Sure to that would be. But I also understand it's a trailer and not right. The whole thing like, you know, and or showed me new things too. But it took like it didn't show me them in the trailer. So exactly. Yeah. You know, I'm not like I'm not going to be like, wow, there's just a white ball. Or, you know, kind of show. Sure. Or whatever, you know, I can say that after the show was completed, maybe. But I really don't think it's going to do that. So I'm with you. Yeah. I do think they're going for a slightly more mature audience based on the first poster that came out. Yeah. Like the light sabers, the light saber help, but then like the light itself, the blade is a streak of red blood. Yeah. That's that's a rather intense. It is. It's is. Yeah. Even even just in the. Oh, like, yes, it's it's obviously it's like, oh, blood, like that's like, you know, there's that. But then there's also like that would just go over kids heads, you know, like it's it's really squarely targeted at like, this is for the grownups. Yeah. But you know, and or is for the grownups. And so exactly. Exactly. You know, like that's okay. I think they know their audience is a little bit older now. Yes. You know, which is fine. But like the problem with that is that I do think like Star Wars is for kids. Yeah. That was like the genius of George Lucas that he like, he never really lost sight of that. Like, yes, it is for kids. Like, and like that's why it took 20 years for people to like people adults to be like, no, the prequels I liked them. Yeah. And so I saw them, right. And so and the same thing is going to happen with the sequel trilogy. They're going to go like, no, I liked them because they saw them when they were kids. And it's just going to keep going like that. So with Lucasfilm or Disney, like actually does feed into the like, it's for adult crowd too much. They are actually going to lose what makes Star Wars special is that it is available for the next generation. I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree with you at all. I do think that it's essential that that is preserved somewhere. And I think that I think that personally, I think it's okay to have extensions of the of the universe that are more adult in nature as long as the core of it remains, you know, kid friendly. And and I feel like Folloney and Favreau are really are sort of spearheading that because like that is still, you know, that's core Star Wars pre preteen friendly, right? Like that's still, you can watch. I don't know. You can watch the Mandalorian. You can watch Ahsoka H eight nine ten. Yes. You know, there's you don't have to worry about putting it on as a parent and going, oh, I really didn't want them to see something like that. Yes. You know, which actually and but in the star Star Wars proper, you actually in some ways do have to worry about stuff like that sometimes like people like get dismembered. Sure. Yes. It's like all the time, you know, like whatever. So you do have to there is like something in Star Wars, you have to like, no, like, well, it is still violent. They are at war, right? Most of the time. And so it is cartoonish violence in some ways. Mm hmm. I would say there's no blood, but there's rarity of blood like it, you know, right from episode four, apart from episode four and one, are there is their blood in Star Wars? Because when Panda Baba loses his arm, yeah, yeah, blood on the ground. That one I got which one is in and in episode one when Obi-Wan slashes Darth Maul in half, there's a spray of blood. Oh, right. Blood that comes up. Right, right, right, right. I prevent you the Sith must have some, no. I don't think it does. I think people get bonked on the head and, you know, what are 66? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, you're right. It might just be those. It's I think it's a bloodless movie. Now I think the sure we see Ray draw, draw blood at some point. Yes, I don't know about that. That's also a good question. Yeah, because I'm not I wasn't watching those movies with like that. Well, sir, that in mind, I mean, Ben gets stabbed in the stomach. Sure. Yeah, but the but do you see blood though? See, like that's really like, I feel like we see the way I get stabbed. I mean, you see the wound, don't we? I can stabbed and you don't see there's nothing there. We see the wound, don't we? Like when she heals it. You do see the wound. That's true. I'll count that. You know what I mean? Yeah, I will count an open wound. The same way, like you don't see Luke's open wound when his hand gets cut off, right? You know, right. You just see. Yeah, you see this stuff. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. So three instances, like one per trilogy. Right. Basically, yeah. Yeah. Yep. So anyway, so like, like there are instances where you could say like, well, that's a little bit that that is stylistic choice that is a little bit more adult. So I am curious how like, not kid friendly at the accolade is going to be, but it like leads you to assume based on that more the poster than the trailer. Yeah. That it's not going to be. But but I don't know. I don't know. It does look like it's going to be a good mystery. You know, like it's going to be yes, it's going to be a lot of if anything, it feels like it's going to be a lot of dramatic irony where like the audience is going to know something in the in the some characters are going to know something, but yes, you're going to be a bismally ignorant to what is going on, which is pretty par for the course for the Jedi. Correct. Because it's supposed to be the start of their decline. Yes. It's one of those situations where you know the outcome already. Like you know that they are going to. We know the Titanic is going to sink. Yeah. And Mace Windu is going to be the guy that's like this ship can sink. Yes. He's the one saying it's unthinkable. Yeah. But is it? It is not. I don't know. As we know. And so I am curious almost from like a political perspective on that because I like I like even when I was a kid, I liked the politics of Star Wars. So I would love to see the politics of the Jedi at play here, you know, because that was in some ways even in episode one that's part of the interesting thing is like quite on not wanting to play politics with the council. And so he just goes and does his own thing. Mm hmm. You know, and you know the negotiation that happens behind behind the scenes. Like I would like I would like to see that when the Jedi are really in there. Hey day, not in the arrogant hey day, right? Because I think that's an important part to differentiate like the Jedi have reached the height of arrogance when we meet them in episode one. And I would argue the hey day was was over at that point. Correct. And I think so this is the decline of the hey day. Mm hmm. You know, beginning of the end. The beginning is the beginning of the end, right? Smashing pumpkins said it better than then then then everybody. So ship yard smashing pumpkin. Yeah. Yeah, there's something there Frank. You should be a marketer or something. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know about that. Um, I don't know. I, uh, I'm definitely curious to see more. Are you Star Wars doubt? Here's my next question. I say with like a Star Wars display sitting right behind you. Yeah, I'd have to say no one now. Yeah. Or is that negative Bob? Yeah. I don't, I don't think so. But I will say this, I would have been a few months ago. I think, I think that putting some breathing room between these shows and I've been glad didn't watch Bad Batch. So there is sort of the, well, if you're watching Bad Batch, then you're going from one to the next. Yeah. We're so funny that you said that just the other day I was like, right. That's a show. Yeah. I'll be like, are there any ones about the politics of stormtroopers? I'll watch that one. And then there. Yeah. It hasn't been for me so far. And that's not a, yeah, that's fine. Well, I don't think you're alone there. Yeah. I'm sure it was for many people. Mm hmm. I know. But it, that's on. But I've had, I've taken some breathing room since the last since Ahsoka. And I'm like, all right. All right. It's been, I've had some time. I'm good. I'm ready. I'm ready for some new Star Wars in my heart now. Yeah. I'm ready for some new Star Wars into my heart. Come flooding right in. Yes. I stand here hard, open wide. Please. I would like to know in terms of the acolyte, how much Daphne Keene has to play. Oh, yes. In there. Because she is, she's in there. I can't remember her character name nor will I look it up. But she was good in the Logan. That's all I got. Mm hmm. Here's the thing though. I also want to go back to the showrunner in the interview. She said that there's a couple of legends things like old, like old school stuff, like a banded universe stuff that she was like, that she took for the show. Because she said nobody told me I couldn't know what's in there. Because she said, like, you know, people grow up on the movies and whatever. She's like, she's like, I grew up playing the games. Like a lot of like doing the expanding universe and like the Knights of the Old Republic and the let's like the table tops and like she's like, that's where my Western game is. So, so like some of it. So like her sense of like Star Wars sensibility is like slightly different, which is which I like because maybe it won't feel like a copy of a copy of a copy. Yeah. Right. Because that's really what I'm that's what I'm concerned about that it's going to feel hollow. Mm hmm. That's like because when people like do Star Wars instead of like taking the John Favreau polonia approach, we're like, we're doing the things that influence Star Wars in Star Wars. Sure. Right. Because that's like that's when Star Wars is at its highest quality. Like we're doing, you know, space adventure and samurai and Western and all dirty dozen and like all these different things. Like that's that's that's more interesting than like your Star Wars. Yeah. That's because it's not what good Star Wars really is. Yes. Yeah. I'm with you on that. I'm with you all the way. Yeah. Anything you'd like to add, Frank, who do you what who do you think the mysterious shadowy figure we saw is I'm hoping it's Darth Plagueis. I don't think that it is. Mm hmm. But I'm I that's what I'm hoping that's what I'm hoping that it is. The part that they're too short to be Darth Plagueis. So like I don't think it's actually that. Mm hmm. Like be strong. Strong tripper. Two sore first wrong tripper. Yeah, I agree. Um, um, now here's my other thing like 80 years before Phantom Menace. Yes. How old is Palpatine? Yeah. There's that like how like how old is he really? I don't know. I'm sure there might be an answer out there that the show will change. Here's the thing. Like whatever information exists out there in a book or a thing, as soon as a new show comes out, it has the ability to change these things. That's right. Yeah. Show ultimate a new show or a movie ultimately drives the canon. Yeah. It's super seeds and it like that. That's always been the case. They've always said George always said that like sure, whatever, like that stuff is whatever it is. But like what I make is the canon. Correct. And I think that still holds true here. Absolutely. If it's a show or movie, then it counts. So I wouldn't mind if it's him either because I do think that would be an interest. That's also an interesting entrance point for an audience. But I'm fine for it being somebody totally new to that I'm connected to. To me, it looks like Garth Maul. Like it looks like Garth Maul to me. And that doesn't make sense in the timeline unless he's a lot older than we thought or whatever. But it looks like it could be somebody from a death premiere though. It could be another yes. It could be another death of Miriam. That's true. Yeah. Why do you why do you say it looks like Garth Maul? Like I mean, the stature like the he when he when we see him for the first time in in the Phantom Menace, right? He's wearing like those heavy robes and yes, he has his hood up. But like when he takes it down for the first time, I think that shadowy figure on the cliff or whatever is is kind of what his silhouette looks like. It even kind of looks like there might be like spikes on the head. So I'm not saying for sure it is. I don't have to. I haven't done any, you know, this I didn't use my one look up. So I'm not looking at it side by side. I'm just doing this from memory. And it kind of resembles to me when I zoom in literally I'm just looking at the YouTube clip and zooming in on it. It does it does look like him to me. So like that that's that's what it looked like. But again, I don't know what the explanation for that would be. So it doesn't it doesn't seem to make sense. It could want to evoke those things. Yeah. Like I think like like sometimes the the Star Wars is like poetry, right? You know, the whole thing like it rhymes. So like it wants you to yeah, it wants you to think of maybe it wants you to think of Darth Maul, even if it could be what it is could be. Yeah. Anyway, that's you know, my mind started going there. But you know, Plagueis makes more sense. Plagueis or Palpatine makes more sense. That figure is really I'm looking at now that figures really short. Yeah. And so was Ray Park. Oh, you got him. No, it's true though. That's he's a short guy. He's just sees, you know, amazing athlete and everything. But he's not a very tall man. And that's true of, you know, of his character too. Yeah, you're right. Maul's not a super tall guy. Spikes. Maybe it's a kid. That'd be interesting. No, maybe it's for Nestor Row. Who knows? Because they kind of like fall to me. But I don't know. Who knows, Frank, it's very interesting. We'll find out excited for June 4th. We won't talk about it then because we probably won't have watched it. We'll wait till the season's over. Interesting that it's June the 4th, not May the 4th. I wonder if they were like shooting for a May release and couldn't hit it or they wanted to give more space from the end of Bad Batch. They want to come with more closely related to the summer, like here. Or Disney+ has something else that's coming around there. Yes, yes, yes. They don't want, you know, things conflicting with one another. Right. A Marvel show maybe? I don't even know. I don't think so. I don't think there's any Marvel shows coming here. Okay. Well, but yeah, you're right. It could be some other something else that they don't want to give space for. Yeah. Interesting. But anyway, Frank, where can the people find us? Bearwithgeeks.com, patreon.com/bearwithgeeks. And wherever you listen to your podcasts, rate, review, subscribe, all that good stuff. Oh, very good. Frank, a pleasure to talk Star Wars with you. Always, always. Always. Anyway, the force will be with you always. And until next time, cheers. Cheers.