041422_v1 === [00:00:00] Joe White: Welcome to the get together all over the world. There are people thinking about and creating a future of live digital events and performances. [00:00:09] Jess Ryan: There they're disparate innovators who are artists, tech, founders on profits and investors, and they need a place to gather and share ideas. That's what the guests gather is all about. [00:00:19] Jess Ryan: I'm just a theater creator who loves bringing people together around technology art and the internet. [00:00:25] Joe White: And I'm Joe, a tech and media startup bet with over 10 years of experience growing and [00:00:29] Jess Ryan: operating businesses. Thanks for getting together with us. Let's dig in. [00:00:44] Jess Ryan: Joseph it's, March 29th. Amplify was last night [00:00:50] Joe White: it happened. How do you feel? I feel totally spent burnt out. Just [00:00:57] Jess Ryan: tired. Oh, no. [00:01:00] Burned out. [00:01:01] Joe White: Yeah. Like my brain is just like not working. Yeah. It's like, I just can't even fully wrap my head around this problem that we're currently trying to deal with. You can see the bullet points that are the facts. [00:01:15] Joe White: And that's about it. [00:01:17] Jess Ryan: It's I feel like I'm still operating on just like fight or flight adrenaline. You know what I mean? Like I'm still in that sort of, I haven't stopped in three weeks. So why stop today? No, it's terrible. I'm actually, I was like, I'm going to have to stay home some this week. Cause my house is a mess. [00:01:33] Jess Ryan: Like I haven't stopped my brain, like I said, so yeah, no varying degrees of crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [00:01:40] Joe White: That's my, my therapist actually today he shared, he was like, yeah, it's like a freaking marathon. And what do you do as you Joe lead up to running a marathon? And after the marathon, I was like, oh yeah, like you train before you prepare, you go, you do the thing you do to this as well as you can, as best as you prepared. [00:01:58] Joe White: And then you recover right. [00:02:00] Build in time and space to recover. And we here on March 29th, the day after my shoe is amplified in 2022. Should, and hopefully we'll soon be recovering. [00:02:14] Jess Ryan: Well, that's one of the things I always love about this podcast is even though it's very tiny, it's just a little half hour in our week. [00:02:19] Jess Ryan: It does feel like a little nice recovery period. Cause we get to shut slack off. Speaking of which I'm going to minimize mine, cause it's just staring at me. Uh, and not necessarily have to deal with the problems solving that we are, you know, so often mired in [00:02:37] Joe White: problems. I don't even know if exist. [00:02:40] Jess Ryan: Um, we promise the people I give back episode and it feels like really appropriate to start talking a little bit about, this is not so much about give back, but like how, how live digital and particularly one night events that are live digitally accessible can sort of help build, uh, toward goals. [00:02:59] Jess Ryan: Are you still down for [00:02:59] Joe White: [00:03:00] that? I am very down for that. Are you down? Cause I actually think you'll be doing quite a bit more of the driving, given your history and, um, having been the creator of hashtag [00:03:13] Jess Ryan: I'm super down, uh, I'm actually really excited cause I haven't contrary to popular belief. Maybe. I don't know. [00:03:19] Jess Ryan: This is popular belief. Not too many people asked me about this. [00:03:25] Joe White: Very contrary to popular belief. I hear people all the time talking about, no, I don't know. I got nothing. [00:03:31] Jess Ryan: So I'm excited to see like, yeah. What, what, especially now in 2022, where like people have a frame of reference to the language, what the questions are in your head as the, as our avatar totem for people who are curious about this, [00:03:47] Joe White: uh, give back, what is it? [00:03:51] Joe White: Good question. I'm [00:03:52] Jess Ryan: leaving I'm out. [00:03:55] Joe White: but actually it could, we have a two sentence I'm going to take as many sentences as you want [00:04:00] primer on, on the history of the give-back. Yeah. [00:04:02] Jess Ryan: The give back concert is a one night benefit concert live in New York city and accessible to digital audiences around the world, and it exists to amplify and connect a community of artists, raising their voices for survivors of. [00:04:19] Joe White: Amazing. If you haven't heard about it yet now, you know, a little bit more about. Now we're going to dig in. I felt [00:04:25] Jess Ryan: like that was a test by the way. Cause I was like, shit, I know I wrote an like a log line somewhere, you know, before COVID and then I couldn't remember it when you asked me. So I was like, oh, I got to make this as good as my log line that I spent a lot of time writing. [00:04:38] Jess Ryan: Let's [00:04:38] Joe White: go, let's go compare it to the log one. Yeah, [00:04:40] Jess Ryan: it was close. [00:04:41] Joe White: It's not so far off. I feel like the older I get the more. Maybe the more confident I get, I don't know if confidence is the right word, the more I'm like, Hmm. I'm just going to like wing that description right now, based on like my intuitive feeling of what the comeback concert is. [00:04:55] Joe White: Um, you know, maybe not the give back in my specific example, but like it coming from like a genuine place [00:05:00] from a depth of experience and knowledge is actually like really cool to one be able to do, but then like, I just like so much more real in that moment and be like, yeah, here's like a version of it. [00:05:08] Joe White: I've never really told the story of just for [00:05:10] Jess Ryan: y'all on the podcast. It's more, it's kind of like acting right. You learn your lines really well, but then sometimes like you have to react in the moment and just whatever happens happens. Not that we rewrite platelet rights lines. I don't believe in that just a little clear, but do you know what I mean? [00:05:25] Jess Ryan: It's, it's a very similar concept and I agree it, it gets closer to the truth when you can't just recite. [00:05:31] Joe White: It feels very alive. It feels very alive, which brings us back to give back nice work. I was thinking quite a bit last night about the sort of one knighted newness of give back of amplified 2022, which is how much pressure. [00:05:46] Joe White: That puts on that one singular point in time, even though the experience is as much bigger than that, you know, it's from, you know, when people just first learn about the existence of my, and into learning about amplifying, wanting to be part of amplify and [00:06:00] consuming the, the sort of pre amplify content, and then what happens after the show, but so much pressure. [00:06:05] Joe White: It's just like just stilled into that single day. Um, And I just like, what the hell you do? What, [00:06:12] Jess Ryan: why? I, I don't know. And I will, I'll take the opportunity to say, cause this has really been on my mind. It's a different, it's a whole different paradigm when someone's paying accompany us and some other people who are involved in this, right. [00:06:31] Jess Ryan: And there are audience members digitally who are paying. For something, because there's a lot more variables. Like that's, what's so different from give back 1.0, right? Is that this was the, there wasn't that there was pressure. Don't get me wrong. I know I've been teasing this story about Jermaine walking in and balling one morning of a give back concert. [00:06:53] Jess Ryan: Cause he'd been up all night trying to finish videos. There was pressure, but everything was just focused on [00:07:00] like the, the, the. Like the, we did it. Right. And we did it good at the end of the night was like, did we teach something? People, something about survivors? Did we raise more money than we spent? Um, that's it right. [00:07:15] Jess Ryan: And what I was thinking about a lot last night with amplify is that it's all those things. Plus did we deliver on the services that we promised and that they paid for? Did we represent ourselves as a company? In a way that will help us build more business in the future so that we can stay at working company. [00:07:38] Jess Ryan: Right? Like. There was just, there's so much. And then, and then you have digital audience members paying for experiences, and there's just certain aspects of digital stuff. That's harder to corral and more unexpected, but also you're working with multiple teams across multiple companies that have touch points on that digital experience. [00:07:57] Jess Ryan: And so you're not in control of all of them. [00:08:00] [00:08:00] Joe White: The like level of understanding about what makes something interesting. Digital is very different between each of those companies that have a hand in making that experience. That sounds very complicate [00:08:09] Jess Ryan: it's wild. And we're, I will take this moment to say we're so lucky to get to work with Maestra who has been with us for a long time across the give back concert and now into amplify. [00:08:18] Jess Ryan: So we like are much closer to the same page and, and all willing to try to understand each other's positions on it. But, um, yeah, no, it's just, um, the pressure was like 10 X. Yes. Wow. Yeah, it was. I sometimes I'm like, God, I wish I could go back to just have like give back concert when it was just like less stressful. [00:08:44] Joe White: That's interesting. Because last night you were talking about. You did some math for the people. And they're like, you know, we were aiming at a hundred percent and we, if we, even if we came in it, oh, I did bad math. Even if we came in at 80%, that's as good as someone else's 20% and the math got [00:09:00] walkie, but the idea that there was a lot of value created, there was a lot of. [00:09:04] Joe White: Amazing work done. Yeah. And I, I personally feel like, um, as someone who did watch it through the lens of the digital audience, I was on a computer, a laptop in the back of the back room, um, onsite that, well, one people were able to jump for free. So that's a lot of value, huge. Um, but then even people who did join, um, and, and get that upgrade, like the value of the show, the value of the experience of being there, like felt like it was worth it. [00:09:34] Joe White: And I, I think it's interesting to try and like figure out what it is that the audience decides is of value. Um, because even when the tickets. Right. Like whether or not you come back decides whether is based on whether you enjoyed yourself and you took some value from the experience and that's just gets heightened. [00:09:52] Joe White: If you pay money, you know, there's a higher barrier to deciding as a ticket buyer. Yeah. That was worth that $50 at $25 that a hundred dollars, whatever [00:10:00] it is, you're spending, we'll leave the ticket pricing models to the spot, goes a little [00:10:06] Jess Ryan: shout out to this vodka. [00:10:09] Joe White: But I do think that that's super interesting and getting into that, like that currency of what is valuable, because I think what was really valuable for people last night was their connection to, to Maestra. [00:10:19] Joe White: Totally. And like, not that I wanted the virtual or digital experience or even the in-person experience to be any worse, like, it was amazing. Like I want it to be even better, but it could have, in theory, I think. We're so there could have been more hiccups or mistakes, or this is, or that's performance, isn't that really missing? [00:10:36] Joe White: And people still would have been like, I'm here for Maestro. That's the value I get. That's the feeling I'm connected by. And I will continue to come back. I will continue to pay money to come join and be part of this thing. And I think that's, what's really interesting about like the idea of value and how much a ticket can or should be worth and why I might choose to show up somewhere digitally and why I will hopefully come back again. [00:10:56] Joe White: The next time is that like emotional connection to the thing which becomes. [00:11:00] Infinitely harder when there isn't a mistress sitting at the core of it. It's just a show of some sort of performance and artist it's either. Yes. I have that emotional connection to that person that art or. Taking a chance and seeing a show based on a friend's recommendation. [00:11:13] Joe White: And now all of a sudden the calculus is totally different. It's like I paid $20, but that's one show I've ever seen and they have no emotional connection going in and rebuilding that connection across the, the digital experience. [00:11:25] Jess Ryan: That's the, that's how the puzzle gets put together. Right. If you think back to give back, it starts with a problem. [00:11:32] Jess Ryan: How do I, and I know y'all have heard this before, but like there wasn't, I have an idea to point cameras and make it interactive. It literally started from a problem, which is how do I tell the story of survivors of violence in a way that is inspiring rather than just like emotionally wrecking? How do I access more people who will give and become stewards of this? [00:11:57] Jess Ryan: And the answer to that was live [00:12:00] digital. And so I think like that, the next knock on from that is, that's why we've seen so many, one night impact focused events in this space rather than the one Clyde's on Broadway because the calculus is, so it just happens to be a great meal. For one night, you know, sort of not only impact events, but I suppose like any kind of like a live podcast where you've got a great following that feels emotionally connected. [00:12:24] Jess Ryan: Right? Anything like that. So it's all just this little circle. [00:12:28] Joe White: Oh, that's so interesting. Like, because physical space, isn't the issue anymore. Like you through solving this problem by live-streaming it out, you basically like broke down. Between physical distance, but having people together in time became even more important because it wasn't necessarily the case that everyone was in physically the same place. [00:12:50] Joe White: So they had to be in time with, so they were in time with each other and the one night edness of it really like amps up that feeling of like, we are connected. We are all here together. And this [00:13:00] one time. Time zones are confusing. Abolish time zones. [00:13:05] Jess Ryan: I think it's happening. Right. And whatnot time zone. [00:13:06] Jess Ryan: Sorry. Daylight savings. Time [00:13:07] Joe White: of bed. Oh yeah. I'm I'm, I'm moving radically towards no time zones whatsoever. Five o'clock it's five o'clock it's five o'clock. I love him after probably like six months of chaos and pandemonium. Everyone will just like have an internal sense of what five o'clock means for them at any given moment. [00:13:26] Jess Ryan: The, the, the focus on being together in time is so interesting. Cause that's like one of those really smart things that I just want to be really clear. I never thought about in those terms. Right. But it is so true because it, it feeds into some of those hierarchies of experience that we were talking about on an episode, a couple episodes ago where like that one night illness being together in time. [00:13:47] Jess Ryan: Uh, motors the urgency to actually show up because it is a femoral, it motors the feeling of connection and being part of something that you were just talking about and it motors the reflection part of it, [00:14:00] right. It's harder for us all to reflect on an on demand experience that we all saw at different times and in different contexts and in different environments, you know? [00:14:11] Joe White: Oh, I didn't think about the environment. Like you can, in a way, reach into people's living rooms or wherever they're watching, you know, on the subway, on their phone, you can like retain a little bit and, and sort of impact their environment through the screen to help like create a sameness across all [00:14:25] Jess Ryan: of those. [00:14:25] Jess Ryan: Yeah, totally. That's cool. Yeah, it is cool. All right. Well, what else do you want to know about give [00:14:31] Joe White: back? Um, I am really curious, sort of how you sort of powered the whole thing. With like a volunteer army. I'm thinking of like the personnel, the human beings, and the fact that everyone is giving time and energy and, and, and how hard that is and how much like the ask really is at the end of the day. [00:14:55] Joe White: But it feels like people at the same time are just like throwing themselves into it and are like, yep, I'm [00:15:00] here. I'm here to make it happen. I'm here to get it done. No, you don't need to pay me slash I know you don't have money to pay me. [00:15:08] Jess Ryan: Well, I mean, like, look the, at the end of the day, the first stop on the, that answer is artists always give their time for free. [00:15:14] Jess Ryan: Right. And I'm included in that. Like we, we just do it. I feel in a way that other people in other careers do not do because of. Part of the, I don't know, it's just part of what's baked in when you are an artist and are working. I don't know. I don't know how to explain it, but like it's not unusual. Right. [00:15:35] Jess Ryan: And in fact, come in and say, I might've told this story before, but in the very first bridge, the bridge concert, which was the predecessor to get back, you know, I formed this little committee of people to help me cause I knew enough to know I needed to organize. And this guy, Rob. Was that? I didn't know that my friend Avery recommended he was like, So I just need to ask you before I say yes, is this going [00:16:00] to be one of those benefit concerts where I come on to help? [00:16:04] Jess Ryan: And we spend all of the money we raised on like a vanity concert project. And I was like, uh, no. And then I laid out my, I learned gala models from Harvard girls in the house of the roses. And I want to combine it with a benefit on certain, of course we raised way more than we spent. So that was great. But that, that sort of put, that was the first step, right. [00:16:22] Jess Ryan: Is being able to be in a position to. Going to have impact by being a part of this in a, in a space where like Ron was not wrong. Like, there are a lot of con benefit concerts that are put on because people just want to give themselves a space to sing. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I'm trying to track, like, it was a slow, right. [00:16:41] Jess Ryan: It was just like learning. Change grow, learn, change, grow. Cause it started with just Avery and I in the living room, like as Jermaine frequently tells that story. And then it started then Jermaine was in the living room with us. Right. And it was just like three of us, like trying to figure this stupid thing out and then saying, okay, you small group of people, you [00:17:00] come bartend the day of, will you do this? [00:17:02] Jess Ryan: We do this. And then when we started to do the give back concert, we brought Nathan on board and Nathan started outreaching to performers and that sort of started that piece of the community. And I think that, like, it took a really long time, probably till 16 or 18, I think maybe 18 for it to really have moved out beyond. [00:17:29] Jess Ryan: Me Jermaine, Avery, Nathan, for the most part for the January to April that we would work on it. And then a bunch of one day volunteers, including like many of the people who still work with us, like Sarah McGowan, um, who were instrumental, but really only had to show up one day, which is pretty normal. But in 18, I knew I wanted to grow it again. [00:17:49] Jess Ryan: And I was like, someone introduced me to an amazing producer named Kelly and. She said, I want to do this with you. And once that happened, then there [00:18:00] was the enrolling of a bigger group of people to take on different pieces of that. Like, how do we grow this? Because we know it makes impact and we know it makes change and it gives us this chance to celebrate our talents as artists and use it to drive that change. [00:18:16] Jess Ryan: And over 18 and 19, it got big to the point where like in 2019, we organized a volunteer training day. Like we had everybody down to the grand street settlement and brought in, uh, Eric McGriff from CVTC who did, uh, violence prevention training for everyone. So that all these people who were volunteering, it was it like 15 people across the whole sort of pre-production experience as well as the day of sort of the big team was huge. [00:18:41] Jess Ryan: Got to learn, you know, Yeah, violence prevention. So it was just like pieces, little baby steps, all informed by an eye on growing it, growing the impact of the concert and seeing that impact happen every time that growth, you [00:19:00] know, [00:19:01] Joe White: I can imagine like alumni coming back each year. Like I can't wait to work on that concert again and like go back to value in a weird way. [00:19:10] Joe White: It's like my time was well spent because. Helped to, you know, raise money that is actually going to CVTC, like the power that, that has in, in my heart and in my fields, but also like the community of people you get to meet and the skills you get to learn, all those things. There's a ton of value there, if, even if it's not technically monetarily, uh, yeah. [00:19:31] Joe White: Defined. Yeah. [00:19:33] Jess Ryan: And, and then imagine I haven't really ever thought about this before, but imagine. Imagine the power of combining then like you get to be an organization who can pay a company to help. Plus you organize. Your volunteers who very much, you know, are already entrenched in the organization, you know, like that's, that's fire. [00:19:55] Jess Ryan: I think that's really interesting cause I, I can't imagine what we could have [00:20:00] done if we were also at the time working with like a company that was taking a big chunk of stuff, but learning and being informed from us, the group of people who are like the core of, you know, crime victims, treatment center, supporters and stewards. [00:20:14] Joe White: Oh, that's, that's like, it almost feels like in government, how they're just like public private partnerships. It's like volunteer private partnerships. I don't really know what the word should be, but yeah, the idea that like, okay, yeah, there is a service and there's a whole bunch of energy. How do you sort of like bring those two things together to work most efficiently to, to maximize the value of that volunteer energy, but then, you know, harnessed in a way through. [00:20:39] Joe White: The [00:20:39] Jess Ryan: professionals. Yeah. And I say that, but like, we literally just did that with Maestro. [00:20:44] Joe White: Yeah. Hmm. How could we, or should we do this? We'll think about it some other times. Yeah. [00:20:51] Jess Ryan: Um, okay. We only have time for like a little bit more. So how about, let's do one more big question when you're thinking about live digital [00:21:00] and being able to take inspiration or warnings from, uh, the give back concert. [00:21:06] Joe White: Yeah, I know exactly where I want to go, which is, oh, it's the technology. But I actually think I want to modify it's the humans plus the technology. Cause like technology is. Both fickle, facile and flexible. Whoa, that's so good. That was fun. And I mean, all three of those really explicit things [00:21:25] Jess Ryan: flexible, um, [00:21:27] Joe White: that like it needs a human touch to make it work, especially in a world, like the giveback concept where you're trying to make up new things. [00:21:34] Joe White: And you're like, I don't know how to do this. Let's just, what if we connect this to this? And we power it by that. And we smash that together and let's see what happens. Right. And the technology. Might work might not pickle. Um, but like it needs to, and it is inherently flexible. And like the human being that is sort of trying to make it work, it's just a machine at the end of the day, like has to be creative, has to be invested, has to want to try to make it work. [00:21:58] Joe White: So I come back to [00:22:00] that, that intersection of like the technology and the goals that you have with it, but like also the people and maybe. Thing happened. How the heck, what huh? [00:22:08] Jess Ryan: Friends. It is time to unveil the big secret, which is we are literally only here as a company because of how incredible the green space staff is the answer to your question. [00:22:21] Jess Ryan: Is, I was like a big, stupid grandiose CEO before I was ever a CEO and was like, or a director both and was like, I want a broadcast. I want Google Hangouts to be well let's ha let's figure out how to make it, the remote sort of thing so that we can have people live the end. And then they fucking figured I don't. [00:22:42] Jess Ryan: I think now as we have our hands in all this technology, Jesus Christ. I don't, like I asked them to do crazy shit and I never had any idea how hard it was. Have you sent them a thank [00:22:55] Joe White: you note yet? [00:22:56] Jess Ryan: I think David, every time I talked to him, who is the tech [00:23:00] director down at w NYC? Uh, no, it's incredible. And so like, I, the answer to your question is it's because this is interesting, cause I didn't have to worry about it. [00:23:11] Jess Ryan: I didn't have to know how it works. And I had an incredible partner in the w NYC team that was equally as curious and interested. And so it allowed me sort of to be freed up to just dream what we could make that would serve our goals. And then they hand they were the part, you know, the, well they were, they were the private partner we were just talking about. [00:23:35] Jess Ryan: Cause we paid the Gris and like, greenspace did this for free, but they happened to be really good and really curious and really game to try things. And I just didn't have to worry about it the way we do now. [00:23:46] Joe White: That's really interesting. Cause like someone has to invent the future, like yeah. Things don't just, you know, oops. [00:23:52] Joe White: I accidentally happened into this thing really working well. It's the grunt work of like connect all the wires and see what the heck happened. Yeah. I [00:23:59] Jess Ryan: heard, [00:24:00] um, Jay from my Lopez on Rouge, say at some point yesterday when we were trying a second or third solution for something he said to his guy, Nelson. [00:24:08] Jess Ryan: Yeah. At this point you basically have to be an it. Because this is lighting and video people, you know? And I was like, he's so right. Yeah. [00:24:15] Joe White: Yeah. Shout out to Nelson and Jay at the possum room. They're awesome. They're very smart. They had great attitudes when we kept throwing bullshit in their class, [00:24:27] Jess Ryan: best venue team we've worked with in New York city, besides where w NYC. [00:24:32] Joe White: Um, but yeah, but that is interesting. I hadn't actually connected the dots between w and YC and loss on Rouge with. Yeah. Nelson jumped in the weeds and was like, yeah, if I get, let's see what's happening and let's load up some things, let's update some firmware, let's just try and [00:24:44] Jess Ryan: make it work. And it's the same thing for Waldorf too, right? [00:24:47] Jess Ryan: Like that was some crazy shit we pulled and we were able to do it because I was able to dream and G and Jonathan, our tech directors on that. Like took care of the technology. They didn't, [00:25:00] they didn't say I didn't, you know what I mean? Like they figured out how to make it work. Yeah. [00:25:07] Joe White: Yeah. Because like, no offense, you didn't have the words to be like, I want no audio routed in this specific way so that we don't get that specific reverb. [00:25:15] Joe White: You're just like, can we just have the people on the screen and the audience to be able to hear the things very [00:25:20] Jess Ryan: simple? Actually people think I'm so complicated. I just want people on a screen to talk to each other. It's a curious problem though, right? Like, cause like what happens to us as a company? How do we get ourselves back in there? [00:25:35] Jess Ryan: You know what I mean? Like I just, I know I just said we did a show where we recently, where we were able to do that. But I feel like we become a different company when we have to worry about when we are in the weeds of all that technology, the it, you know, part of it because we aren't technologists in that way by trade. [00:25:55] Jess Ryan: So we aren't skilled enough in our craft to fly that loose, you know, [00:26:00] and just try to figure things out. [00:26:02] Joe White: Yeah. It almost feels like professional development or back to like volunteer work, or you're saying it's like, let's just go through ourselves at some projects and see what happens. And I know thinking about like an onsite, um, show coming up, how to repair it, mechanical heart, just like. [00:26:16] Joe White: That seems fun. What they're doing. Let's go, just join them and do some things with them. Totally. Like maybe, and Jonathan come along the way, some capacity, at least answer a few hard questions just to like be in the weeds in the same way that you were back at the give back days. I like let's just grind this out and figure it [00:26:33] Jess Ryan: out. [00:26:33] Jess Ryan: Okay. I was saying actually to Greg, this is actually pretty similar, but Greg camp, our executive producer. Bye. I was remarking that Greg, our camera operator yesterday, who just came in for the night as a handheld camera operator, it was the exact same thing, right? Like I, as a director, No that I want from a handheld in a live show, that's going to be digitally broadcast. [00:26:59] Jess Ryan: I want it to [00:27:00] feel a little rock and roll. I want it to feel intimate and I want it to feel a little less slick than the stationary cameras, because that's sort of the hallmark of the internet. And I don't want to have to know how to tell someone how to do that. And Greg camera operator, Greg. Fucking awesome. [00:27:17] Jess Ryan: Literally had that. I spoke to him for five minutes. I was like, feel free to get in front of people. Don't stay there. Like more than 30 seconds. Don't kill their whole view forever, but absolutely get in their way. It's part of the whole thing, you know, and these are the, what I just told you is exactly what I want just the field to be. [00:27:35] Jess Ryan: And he fucking nailed it. And I don't know how the fuck he did that. And I don't know how to tell him. [00:27:42] Joe White: Oh, that's what you said. Just Greg wants some fucking rock and roll. And [00:27:46] Jess Ryan: then he said, well, people's definitions of rock and roll are different. That's where he really said to me, bragging to nerd. I really appreciated that [00:27:55] Joe White: he was not wrong. [00:27:56] Joe White: Maybe we should ask Greg, Greg, how, how did you know what to do? [00:28:00] And he'll come at us like, well, that was at this concert in the eighties. I have no idea how old Greg is rude. [00:28:07] Jess Ryan: Oh man. Well, uh, I'm looking forward to diving into more of the give back concert across a couple of episodes. Just like we're going to, we did a little overview today, but I think we'll pick little pieces and parts that we think are helpful. [00:28:17] Jess Ryan: Yeah, [00:28:18] Joe White: let's do it. I'm very interested to go deeper on all three topics that we talked about today, the sort of volunteer, networking, the, um, technical like stuff. Which maybe we need to get the greenspace on. Yeah. But to go deeper on that would be super fun. [00:28:33] Jess Ryan: So David can actually tell us how crazy I made his life. [00:28:36] Joe White: I do want to hear that, especially with like, you know, 10 years of sort of a looking back and he'll be like, it wasn't that bad. Oh [00:28:43] Jess Ryan: yeah. That's true. I hope so. I hope that's true. Oh, well that was super fun. Thank you for listening and being a part of the get together. [00:28:50] Joe White: The goal of this podcast is to bring people together and to have these important conversations. [00:28:54] Joe White: So share this with someone who cares. Making an impact learning about how you're routing [00:29:00] [00:29:00] Jess Ryan: that Venn diagram is small [00:29:04] Joe White: truth. Can we found most of them already? True. [00:29:08] Jess Ryan: But just in case we don't know one of them share this one. Let's do it then I'm Jess [00:29:13] Joe White: and I'm Joe. We'll see you next week. [00:29:15] Jess Ryan: Bye.