00:03.90 tonycam24 Welcome to the marvel simac rewind the podcast are rewatches reviews and throws the championship game for every movie show onesh shot and special presentation in the marvel cynmac universe I'm Tony Cameina and you can follow us on Twitter at Mcu Andque rewind note 00:13.60 programmeral And I'm Al Rodriguez 00:20.77 tonycam24 Currently known as X I should probably update that sometime and rate us on liver podcast app you are currently using ah as always leave it drop us some mind to see what scroll up. So let's know what scroll up says you want to hear you know when we randomly change our podcast because we're bored sometimes um. 00:21.93 programmeral Now. 00:38.81 tonycam24 And you can email that at mc rewind at gmail.com with no underscore or drop his line on Instagram or x today's episode is Kogan Dagger season 1 episode 5 princeton offense original air date June Twenty Seventh Two thousand and eighteen 00:55.56 programmeral Oh I have twenty eighth written down for some reason but good to know Twenty seventh 01:01.80 tonycam24 Nope nope, you're right? This is episode 3 17 and that's where is all the 7 is up the twenty Eight two thousand and eighteen 01:03.60 programmeral Ah, ah, all right? Okay, here's a quick rundown of what happens ah in this episode Tandy oh whoops I I didn't write anything down tyrone meets with detective o'reilly to start looking for a way to bring down detective connors. 01:20.77 tonycam24 Um. 01:22.81 programmeral re going to try to get him on drug charges later on tyrone plays in the big game. He does do bad but the refs are intimidated to make sure he wins while that's going on and earlier in that same day. Tandy meets up with thairode to get access to a computer from his school. She does some rocks on research. And tells tyrone that she's figured out how to use her powers with the information she printed from the interwebs tandy finds a ruxon employee who likes call girls. She gets a job for an event that night at where she uses her powers to find everyone's desires. At this point tyrone accidentally teleports to tandy after a conversation. She gets him to teleport back to the game by pushing him over a railing anyway, back to their separate adventures tandy finds information on peter scarborough the guy who did all the work to blame her dad for the explosion at rocks on she finds him and almost kills him. But instead uses her powers to see that his biggest desire is to clean the ocean of people's money which is probably metaphorical but I have no idea what that could be also tyrone goes back to the game but everyone keeps touching him so he sees all their fears anyway, he loses the big game. No hancock wins. Anyway, avi just shows up in his bedroom and they have some fun at 1 point tyrone randomly teleports to see dwayne billy's friend but later in the episode. He ends up back there again and sees him arguing with connors' yeah gasp also finally o'reilly finds out that connor's cleared out a lot of drug dealers about six years ago which sounds fishy. 02:37.86 tonycam24 Um. 02:53.57 programmeral So she lets herself get caught by conters doing drugs from the evidence locker. We haven't had a good dun to done in a while? Yeah, no, no, it wasn't yeah which do do you do them. 02:58.88 tonycam24 Dung du done. No I don't think that was a good denon that either. So. 03:09.54 programmeral Every time like I'm trying to remember because I I I know I don't do them every time d. 03:09.64 tonycam24 I I think I do him every time sometimes if it's real anticlimactic it' will be a second and then I'll do done done done when I realize oh you're done. 03:21.94 programmeral Ah, all right? That's fair because I feel like when we do it for agents of Shield something happens in like every episode no matter what it's always done that thought but. 03:27.49 tonycam24 Yeah, all right? you ready for our fast facts all right I'll tell me something I don't know. 03:35.29 programmeral Yes, I am oh okay, ah, okay, first of all, you said that we're not going to use that name until we find a third thing in these an old and hold on. 03:42.99 tonycam24 No, no, we're not, We're not using that name. We're using fast packs. That's why you heard the sound effects I'm just telling you to tell me something I don't know. 03:54.60 programmeral But what if the third thing. Ah the third audio clip that you can use is you saying it? Yeah right? there just copy paste from from you know? okay. 03:58.10 tonycam24 Is me no Nope I'm as much as I want to be I'm not in the M to actually I don't want to be M to you that is a terrifying prospect because you never know what disaster's gonna happen next? Yeah, even as a hero I mean that's even worse because. 04:09.94 programmeral Oh yeah, yeah, that is horrible. Yeah yeah. 04:17.97 tonycam24 Look at everything. 04:19.90 programmeral Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right? Ah well ah, something you don't know but you might know I'm not sure you usually do a lot better at this than me. Um, so I actually have a 2 part. Ah fast fact this week. 04:21.84 tonycam24 Um, but. 04:33.19 tonycam24 Um. 04:34.89 programmeral Ah, so in this episode O'reilly says that she used to work in Harlom and now with this episode close very close. Ah so this episode premiered in June of Twenty Eighth of 2018 um 04:40.21 tonycam24 Um, with the harlem go trotters. Okay. 04:50.97 programmeral A week earlier June Twenty second of 2018 season 2 of Luke cage premiered and so ah in the in one of the episodes of of ah that season and episode 6 Luke cage or ah sorry of Luke Cage Misty Knight says that O'reilly moved to New Orleans so there's a. 04:56.19 tonycam24 Um. 05:07.78 programmeral A link between those 2 shows. 05:10.46 tonycam24 Spoilers for two months from now when you reuse this fast fact again. Yep ah yeah so I did have that that's something I did know. 05:11.77 programmeral I see you figured out what I meant by 2 parter. 05:26.88 tonycam24 You don't get a lot of links between like Netflix shows and other things. So that's refreshing. 05:35.55 programmeral Yeah, ah like closer towards the end of of the the Tv shows being a thing the non Disney Plus Tv shows being a thing. Um there there were more and more kind of crossovers like like not exactly crossovers as in characters showing up but like references and that kind of stuff and i. 05:41.85 tonycam24 Um. 05:53.20 tonycam24 Um, earth. 05:53.28 programmeral Feel like if those didn't end like if they just kept going like we would have had a lot more of like oh character shows up for 1 episode like I feel like we would have gotten more of that than what we're seeing in Disney plus. 05:58.75 tonycam24 Yeah. s true. Although I mean we know this is this is absolutely canon to the mccu. But since this is linking to luke cage and luke cage links to daredevil and daredevil is canon. So this confirms it again. 06:09.53 programmeral Of course. 06:17.87 programmeral Um, yes, it's It's yet more proof that they're all candid. Yep. 06:22.65 tonycam24 Yeah, yep, it's not pops. School's Ti sticks and duct tape. It's all holding together strongly all right? Ah, the title the prince and offense. Um I know Al you're a basketball expert. So can you explain the prince. Not. 06:28.60 programmeral That's right? yeah. 06:40.64 tonycam24 Offense everybody. 06:42.39 programmeral Yes, so this is the offense. Ah I'm not I'm not looking got my hands up on the on the monitorter. Yep, Ah so this is the offense that was popularized. 06:45.73 tonycam24 don't you Google it. don't you Google it ah 06:55.28 programmeral By Martin Princeton a lot of people think it was made at Princeton the the school the the college I think I want to say? Yeah um, but no no Martin Princeton ah who said that the the best defense is a good offense and he just gave the players. 06:55.47 tonycam24 Are. 07:15.50 programmeral Um, Brass knuckles when they went out there. They weren't allowed to use them but it made them feel better and as a result they played better. Um, although like they played better except for the part dribbling the ball because those brass Knuckles kept hitting the ball and it it was. It was an issue but ah, you know pros and cons. 07:18.60 tonycam24 That Yeah yeah. 07:33.11 tonycam24 Um, yeah. 07:34.89 programmeral Right? Overall so you know things don't always work out perfectly. No matter what kind of plan you have. But yeah, that's it all right already wrong I see ah. 07:39.46 tonycam24 Yeah, so the Princeton offense was popularized in Princeton yeah university college ah yes, it's an offensive basketball strategy that emphasizes constant motion back to Backdoor Cuts picks on aphon of the ball and really strong teamwork. 07:57.43 tonycam24 Ah I actually went down a rabbit hole because the guy who like someone developed it but the guy who perfected it and popularized it was a man named Pete Carroll who like was Princeton's bathwall coach for like 35 years and then he went on to be the assistant coach. To the Sacramento Kings Ninety Ninety nine till 2007 my my basketball team ah during the king's heyday when they were known for their umball movement their back toboard cuts they they used the prince and offense to ah like go to the highest heights of the kings that ever gone which is. Unfortunately still the western conference files. Yeah, but yeah, so it's like they when I was looking at a Wikipedia page for this like Pete Carro that name is familiar and so I had to find out why I knew that and for for those who are wondering my basketball knowledge. 08:40.23 programmeral Ah. 08:49.58 programmeral Oh okay. 08:55.63 tonycam24 Is like mostly contained to ninety Nine nine to 2007 king's festival so it was lucky that I recognize that name. 09:04.98 programmeral Ah I got to say I'm sure there's a lot more to it. But what you described just sounds like playing basketball. Well. 09:05.95 tonycam24 Are. 09:14.89 tonycam24 It is a popular strategy but not what every team uses like the like For example, um. 09:24.15 programmeral Inca. It's okay. 09:30.40 tonycam24 Ah, lot of like the ah the warriors right now they're main thing I don't know the name of the thing but the strategy but it's like they don't do that picker and the role they don't do that ball handling as much. It's mostly. Get to your 2 star players Steph Curry and yeah, so there are different strategies but this is more of like strong teamwork not focusing on one person. Yeah. 09:50.88 programmeral I. 10:00.76 programmeral Ah, okay, all right, all right. 10:04.23 tonycam24 Um, I also found out. Ah this is not easy break for this show, but it's just a discovery I made about cloak and dagger are characters their mutants. Ah as of ah August of 9091 10:10.24 programmeral Oh. 10:17.38 programmeral Oh. 10:19.20 tonycam24 They That's why they're the only ones who survived their the experimentation of taking those experimental drugs much like another person who in the Mcu is a mutant and we didn't We presume is a mutant but survived experiments that no one else did yep. 10:25.85 programmeral Um, ah. 10:34.40 programmeral Oh Spiderman okay, or. 10:38.46 tonycam24 Exactly know he's a he's a human mutate apparently different things. Yeah, um, and then ah when O'reilly is looking at like older police reports. Um, there's 1 co name agent m. 10:42.70 programmeral Yeah, yeah. 10:56.86 tonycam24 So of course I look up Marvel for age and M asian m was a shield scientist who special lies in the microvers aka the quantum realm in 3 issues of micronauts number twelve thirteen and 14 back in September October and November of 19 to 9 So I'd be sure. This is. 11:03.36 programmeral So. 11:15.51 tonycam24 Ah, direct reference to that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's why they can't find him because he's tiny now or his cons I don't know. 11:18.32 programmeral It's got to be I can't imagined anything else. Yeah. 11:28.56 programmeral A maybe 1 or the other definitely one of those 2 options. Yes. 11:33.95 tonycam24 Yeah, yeah, definitely all right? Let's move on to our Heroes Al where are we starting. 11:43.34 programmeral Ah, let's see I've got notes for Tandy first. So I guess with her. Ah so um, let's start with the the first thing that I have written down. Um. 11:44.93 tonycam24 I. 11:56.55 programmeral You know she she goes up to tyrone she she finds them. They start talking etc chatting about powers. Um, so last week it sounded like or what one of the things that you and I weren't sure about was what Tandy's plan was when she jumped into the water with that chain around her her ankles. 12:01.68 tonycam24 Ah. 12:13.85 tonycam24 Um, if. 12:15.67 programmeral This episode made it seem like she did that on purpose to learn to use her powers like that was the plan. Yeah yeah I I mean if it didn't work then okay, but ah. 12:20.30 tonycam24 I Call Shenanigans on that. 12:34.27 programmeral Yeah, exactly like ah maybe maybe maybe that's what she tells people that that's also a possibility right? Um, yeah, that's true. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, so yeah, so she's. 12:38.61 tonycam24 Um, it also gave her an excuse to later push tyrone off a balcony. 12:53.23 programmeral So now she knows how to use her power so throughout the episode. She's able to summon her her little daggers for for whatever she needs. 12:58.13 tonycam24 Does that teach you how to use her powers I mean yeah, it's a defense mechanism but it's not like she's like I don't know stabbing herself every time she needs user powers. Okay. 13:12.13 programmeral Well, Ah, okay, so here's my theory. Um, okay so scientifically it's been proven that you get better at a thing by doing it correctly, not by like doing it a bunch of times doing it wrong specifically correctly. So ah. 13:16.93 tonycam24 And. 13:29.49 programmeral What we saw last week was her like figuring out like okay I I know I can do this thing I need to be in a situation. Oh hey I figured out how to do it when I'm underwater and then and later in the episode like 30 seconds later we see her summon a dagger to open up that that safe. Um. 13:46.60 tonycam24 Um, ah. 13:48.58 programmeral And so I think now she's like good enough to summon it at will it's there's still takes some some concentration like she can't just immediately do it. But ah she I think she's at a point now where like she knows how to do it and she she can. 14:07.29 programmeral Can can do it well enough like ah like a pado 1 learner you know who's like 7 you know they can move things with the force but nowhere near as good as ah, like ah a 30 year old Jedi or something right. 14:10.40 tonycam24 Earth. 14:20.83 tonycam24 Yeah I mean that that's I think I understand what you're saying about Tandy I Don't think that's a good allegory or metaphor. Yes, yeah I think it's more like synchro swim thing. But in this case is. 14:31.51 programmeral Ah, no, no, but we were talking about Star Wars right before this. So obviously it's on my mind. Ah, but. 14:40.21 tonycam24 Sink Sync or stab. Yeah, to. 14:42.70 programmeral Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yeah, she stabbed the water and that's how she got out of it. Yeah yeah, so yeah, but I mean she at at least at this point in the episode. She's able to use the to to to summon the the dagger. Um. 14:50.94 tonycam24 Effort. 14:58.37 tonycam24 Is. 15:01.22 programmeral Which we see later on halfway through the episode when she she needs some stuff from the school. So she's just breaking into all of those lockers just just slash it through hey when all you have is a hammer that's. 15:06.76 tonycam24 Yeah, yeah, I'm just like you could cut the lock. You don't have to take the whole doors off probably made a lot of noise I know. 15:20.75 programmeral Means. 15:24.97 tonycam24 I Know lot the whole school was at the rally but you know not the whole school's at the rally. 15:30.27 programmeral Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but. 15:33.81 tonycam24 Yeah, yeah I mean yeah, and so she goes to tyrone school which is closer than breaking to someone's house to use the computer ceiling computer. 15:47.58 programmeral I yeah I guess um I mean she doesn't really care right? like she's and I don't even know care about what but she's like all right? Well I know where Tyron goes to school. This is an easy way to find him. She doesn't know where he lives right? like to go find him that way to say hey can I use. 16:00.53 tonycam24 Um, no. 16:04.69 programmeral Ah, computer you might have at home. Um. 16:06.53 tonycam24 Okay, so you're saying she's using it because she has an ally there. 16:13.70 programmeral Well, she just knows how to find tyrone I Think that's it like she just knows where he is Oh he's at school this is the school. Um I think that's it like. 16:18.89 tonycam24 Okay, that that doesn't answer the question that was like why why go to his school at all like why? Why just you need to talk to tyrone to use a computer she hates libraries. 16:29.69 programmeral Oh she said she needed a um oh I see what you mean? um I don't know Maybe it's just easier this way. Ah, but yeah I mean you're right? You know could be no one taught her about libraries. Maybe she doesn't know I don't. 16:44.79 tonycam24 I mean her dad seemed pretty intelligent I don't know if Mom would be into it just from what we know is here now but dad seems like a library guy. Yeah. 16:47.13 programmeral I Don't know. 16:52.99 programmeral Um, yeah, but she was like what 6 when when he was taken out of the picture. So I don't know it's but a long time. It might be like maybe I'm sure she knows about that. But maybe she's like. 17:05.10 tonycam24 Yeah, like libraries aren't a secret. 17:10.14 programmeral Yeah, exactly. But like it's not going to be her first thought like it could be something obvious someone says. Ah why didn't you go to a library. So oh why didn't think of that. Yeah. 17:11.36 tonycam24 Are. 17:20.44 tonycam24 Um, yeah, so yeah, so she researches rocks on um and goes to inold infiltrates his mom's event. 17:21.88 programmeral So yes. 17:28.51 programmeral M. 17:36.90 tonycam24 I She doesn't know it's this event a giant theres ones event. Ah yeah, um I Ah yeah, so yeah, Gene Infiltrates meets Mina What did she learn. 17:38.93 programmeral Yeah. 17:57.11 programmeral Ah, she well not too much I mean really I think what she really wanted to because what we see at the end of the episode is she she learns about and I have to scroll to find the guy's name Peter Scarborough like she wanted to. 18:11.22 tonycam24 Um, a. 18:13.44 programmeral Find him and I guess kill him right? because that's what she considers doing at the end of the episode. So maybe that was it. She was just trying to find a way to get him alone and this was an easy way or it was an easy way to just break down a car and in front of his house. 18:17.61 tonycam24 Um, yeah. 18:31.94 tonycam24 I Mean we'll get to there. Well I mean I guess there's nothing else I do want to talk about the vision she sees but that could be in like guys and chairrison is not really her. Um, lucky she had the forethought to actually puncture her tire. 18:32.48 programmeral Yeah, it it. 18:45.82 programmeral Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, hey yeah exactly Yeah, she was probably like gonna go into the house and kill him there maybe? ah if if if. 18:48.86 tonycam24 I mean I know she's got daggers. She's got daggers but she didn't expect him to go help. 19:02.52 programmeral Like that was probably her assumption of what she was going to do um, hey where'd that car come from she steal it from that event. 19:02.86 tonycam24 Are. 19:11.84 tonycam24 Yeah's not messed up so it's it's not the a just married car. So like you know how many cars she's probably stolen 7 19:14.83 programmeral All right? So she's stolen 2 cars in this this season so far. Okay, yeah, it's true like and now it's and now it's easier. Yeah because she has that dagger which I don't know why but it probably does something. 19:27.83 tonycam24 Yeah. 19:32.63 programmeral To cars. Yeah. 19:33.60 tonycam24 I mean ah I've seen and I can't remember the show but someone who used like a screwdriver in their ignition to turn it on so it's like I guess you if you know somewhat how a hotwired car you can use your dagger to. 19:44.35 programmeral A. 19:51.31 tonycam24 Use it to turn the ignition. 19:52.13 programmeral Yeah, that's that's probably ah, it's got to be a common thing like I I can think of having seen that in multiple things. Um, so all right? Yeah I just guessing and making stuff up I guess it if the lock part like. 20:00.38 tonycam24 Um, yeah, yes, sir. 20:10.75 programmeral Of the key doesn't matter like if you could just you just need to turn a thing for something to touch to make an electrical current like okay then I guess that's all you need to do? Okay, cool. 20:20.70 tonycam24 Yeah, ah yeah, so she thinks about ah killing Scarro Scarborough she sees his messed up. 20:28.55 programmeral You see. 20:34.84 tonycam24 Hopes and learns about Ivan Hess who his daughter you met and then decides not to kill him why maybe other people are suffering and she. 20:40.79 programmeral Um. 20:43.69 programmeral Yeah I don't know I mean me. 20:53.77 tonycam24 Feels like she needs to bring him a justice for them. 20:54.93 programmeral Maybe I don't know like they they don't really say right? like maybe she just doesn't want to kill someone like she gets an opportunity and realizes Now this isn't for me I'm not going to do it now but they did not make it very clear to us. They just said like oh he. Has some other dreams and now she doesn't want to kill him. Yeah, yeah. 21:19.85 tonycam24 Um, yeah, well luckily his hopes Apparently Okay, so these hopes seem to be like love abstract things right? Um, ah scarborough's hopes. 21:33.85 programmeral Um. 21:36.74 tonycam24 Have the name of his purported victims on. He's she's lucky. She's all Ivan Hess his helmet in that dreamscape. He's targeting us. 21:47.31 programmeral Ah, yeah, yeah, making money off of him in some way. 21:52.68 tonycam24 Yeah, which I don't get but maybe that will be revealed later in the season. 21:57.15 programmeral Yeah I guess I guess I might have a theory but like I can't remember like because because you and I have already watched next week's episode. So I based off of that I think I might have a theory but there's I I don't know oh yeah, yeah. 22:03.22 tonycam24 Um, yeah. 22:09.29 tonycam24 Yeah, we'll talk about next week maybe if it comes up. But yeah, so she connects she finds hess' signature along with her dad's on all those riggy schematics and stuff so she has a lead. 22:18.68 programmeral Yeah, yeah, yeah I mean worst case scenario if that lead turns into nothing she knows where he lives She can come back and kill him later. So I guess I guess that's fine right in her mind. Yeah. 22:30.21 tonycam24 Yeah, yeah, maybe she learned from like tyrone's visions that revenge isn't the way It's not the Jedi way. Yeah. 22:39.27 programmeral Oh maybe yeah the the visions is in when she when they ah like. 22:43.48 tonycam24 When she saw tyrone's visions were like visions about tyrone. 22:48.68 programmeral The the yeah when when they the episode where they saw stuff about the other person right? She kept seeing tyrone dying because he was getting revenge and he kept seeing her I forget hers were more weird. Yeah, anyway, that's right, yeah. 22:53.64 tonycam24 Um, yeah, running away. Yeah, all switch over to tyron. 23:10.12 programmeral Ah, yeah, 1 one last thing um just Tandy she she touched a lot of people at that party and every single person had the same they hate their boss vision of Peter Scarborough that was pretty much it. 23:11.39 tonycam24 Oh good. 23:21.88 tonycam24 Yeah I didn't it didn't connect to me that it was pierce barborough every time. 23:28.00 programmeral But that's I I had kind of assumed that but it wasn't until we see him at the end like oh okay, all right. It really was him. Okay. 23:32.75 tonycam24 Well one of those guys did not hate his boss. He really liked his boss or wanted his boss to like him. 23:38.80 programmeral Ah I. 23:44.80 tonycam24 Yeah, is more of a dominance thing. 23:45.75 programmeral Kind of I guess yeah I interpreted. Yeah yeah I assumed it was more of a power thing like he wants to be the boss. Um, but yeah, we don't need to get into that. Yeah yeah, um, so he also has his own set of adventures. 23:51.61 tonycam24 Um, yeah, no, no, we don't all right tyrone. 24:03.40 programmeral Ah, this episode. Um, he ah let's see. Um, yeah, he just goes to the game right? Oh that's that's right I cannot have that written down here. But yes, yeah, he does that at the start. 24:03.96 tonycam24 Um, a. 24:09.76 tonycam24 So he teams up with O'reilly right. He talks to her about Connor dealing drugs. Yeah, and yeah, he wants to go do recon in the Riley tells him shut up kid that's stupid. You're a child. Yeah I think those were exact words I didn't write down but I'm pretty sure I quote directly. 24:25.75 programmeral E Yeah yeah. 24:32.33 programmeral At the tense failure. Yeah, if she didn't say that she definitely should have. 24:37.61 tonycam24 Um, yeah, um I have a good. 24:43.95 programmeral And and that's oh sorry, no I was just gonna say and that's the only interaction those 2 have together in this episode. Um, yeah, um. 24:49.21 tonycam24 Yeah I have this note that I don't have context for is it when he maybe he was talking to his mom. No maybe he was talking to Tan I don't know he's talking to is this last time he loved basketball was when Billy played with him like Billy. 25:00.17 programmeral What What's the note. 25:08.70 tonycam24 And my questions were like oh but like tell me the context first. Okay, cool. 25:08.54 programmeral Um I don't remember but I think I do think that it might have been when he was talking to his mom because um, because like he he always looked up to his brother and his brother I think was also really good at basketball. 25:19.20 tonycam24 Are. 25:23.34 programmeral Um, and then his mom said something about. Oh yeah, you were both really good in different ways. He was better at you know this part of the game and you're better at this other part of the game. Um, which is a standard parent answer right? Oh no, no I Love you both. You're both really good at this thing. Um, which is. 25:29.11 tonycam24 Oh yeah, you got? yeah. 25:38.47 tonycam24 In. 25:41.48 programmeral Ah, little easier now that she's now that he's the only child now because I'm sure. Yeah, exactly Yeah um, but ah yeah, I'm pretty sure that's where that that came from. 25:43.63 tonycam24 That that they can't compare. Yeah. 25:54.69 tonycam24 Yeah, but it's like he's come to this realization like with Tandy I was the last episode 2 episodes ago saying like that. He's been trying to live up to his brother. What his brother should have done right in his mind so he's playing basketball because it was what Billy wanted to do. 26:08.88 programmeral Um, yeah, yeah. 26:13.49 tonycam24 Is not something he likes anymore. So I mean yes, he ruined possibly a few of his teammates lives by not getting the chairmanship and probably the basketball scholarship that came with that but it's okay because he didn't feel like playing basketball anymore. 26:27.17 programmeral Yeah, but also so like some of the people on that team if he ruined their lives worth it considering what they did to him a few weeks ago or. 26:37.29 tonycam24 Um, this that is true I didn't think about that at all because I'm like oh he screwed over all his play all his teammates. But yeah, some of his teammates did beat him up and lock him up. 26:47.85 programmeral Now to be fair, we don't know anything about the other guys. Maybe they're all great, but those 3 guys or at least three I don't remember how many there were ah they got it. They got what's coming it up. Yeah. 26:56.25 tonycam24 Yeah, yeah, I completely agree and those 3 guys in storytelling terms represent the rest of the team. Yeah, so yeah, so oh. 27:03.58 programmeral Yes, that's that's how that works. Yeah. 27:16.35 tonycam24 Definitely that was not the context because I scroll down later and says ah talks to mom about Billy and his friends. So whatever. Yeah yeah, so after that he teleports to dwayne. 27:24.55 programmeral Ah, okay, so is a different thing ah already. Yeah yeah, accidental use of his powers. But yeah. 27:35.21 tonycam24 Yeah, ah Dwaye tells him I wrote this down this I wrote verbatim like you can't change. What was you have to keep looking ahead and was like did he teleport to the moral of the episode or the season or possibly the show I don't know. 27:38.73 programmeral We. 27:47.70 programmeral Oh O maybe. 27:54.48 tonycam24 Yeah, I'm going to say at least the episode and probably the season I can't remember enough a season 2 It is no if it is the show. Yeah, um, yeah, so before the game he gives the Vida his. 28:01.36 programmeral Same. 28:12.95 tonycam24 Leatherman Jacket which I'm real curious is that the thing people still do. 28:16.96 programmeral I had the exact same question for you I guess I it it must be 1 of those tradition things right? like you, you've you grew up seeing people do that in Tv shows so I guess the assumption is that yeah, it's a thing that. 28:25.27 tonycam24 Ah, yeah. 28:35.25 programmeral That you do so then people do it and then you see people in real life. Do it assuming you're in that world of a person who wears a Letterman jacket. So yeah, yeah, exactly. Um. 28:35.43 tonycam24 Um, a. 28:41.34 tonycam24 Yeah, that that's the thing you went to a small school and we're both nerds. We don't We weren't part of that crew. 28:52.61 programmeral I Mean even if my school was larger and did have any sports teams I would not have been on that team So I don't know I still would have any idea if that was the thing that people did ah okay. 28:56.46 tonycam24 Um, if. 28:59.38 tonycam24 And I'll tell you that the academic tocathlon did not get leather in jackets that was the closest thing to a sport I did actually one time I had a good friend who was on the swim team right? So I remember I my junior senior year. 29:11.37 programmeral Easy. 29:15.98 tonycam24 I was just hanging out with him and we walked to whatever classroom we had to get he had to get the forum to sign up for the swim team that year and she gave him the form the teacher and then she asked me are you joined the swim team to I just laughed and walked away. Ah so. Miss Manzano if you're listening that was a good joke still talking about it 16 years later and I'd be shocked if you're listening nope nope nineteen years later I'm a lot older than I just thought like sixteen years ago I was 19 years old 29:41.30 programmeral I would be too. 29:51.69 programmeral Oh yeah, you just did the math in your head. Okay. 29:55.71 tonycam24 Yeah anyway, so it's time for the big game right? Yeah, this time the calls are going to tyrone again instead of against tyrone ah because someone though. 30:00.46 programmeral Um, yeah, big game. Woo. 30:08.63 programmeral Move. 30:14.51 tonycam24 Mob bought the game like paid off the ref blackmailed girl. 30:19.40 programmeral Yeah, so I mean we yeah we don't get like a definitive answer. But basically yeah someone is intimidating the ref to make sure calls go a certain way which now that I think about it um could that be what happened in the series premiere when the ref wasn't making any calls against. 30:31.34 tonycam24 Um I. 30:36.10 tonycam24 I bet it was I mean I guess New Orleans call it or high school basketball is a real big betting sport. 30:36.23 programmeral That guy who was messing with Tyra. 30:45.80 programmeral I Mean some people take that stuff very seriously. So maybe yeah like I yeah. 30:48.38 tonycam24 Yeah I know that is your I think of it more as like Texas football I guess high school basketball probably has its fans too. 31:00.52 programmeral Yeah, yeah, ah, here's a here's another theory that I don't think is what it is but just gonna throw one out there. Um, okay so at the end of this episode. We see that Dwayne. Um, you know Billy's friend the the guy that tyrone. T for to 2 earlier speaking with connors so immediately we're like oh he's a bad guy so could it be that or at at at a minimum. Maybe not bad guy but loose morals. Maybe he paid off the whoever to intimidate the ref. 31:22.65 tonycam24 Um, Earth clip. 31:34.26 programmeral To make sure that tyrone won the game because earlier when he and tyrone were talking right? Tyro he was like saying oh yeah, we're so proud of you tyrone and all this stuff right? So it's it's it's possible. 31:38.52 tonycam24 Um, I mean is. 31:46.64 tonycam24 Um, I mean it's possible I I don't know if I believe that but yeah. 31:50.35 programmeral Oh same? Yeah, just just looking for something. Yeah, and actually when we were watching or when I was watching it I kind of thought that might be related in some way. But yeah, yeah. 32:03.60 tonycam24 Um, yeah, so Tandy we established she was able to use her powers because of like danger to her life. Ah and tyrone gets to use his powers by daydreaming. 32:13.45 programmeral Even. 32:20.67 programmeral Um, are you referring to when he had well I mean it's it's I think it's different right? So so Tandy controls her powers because she practiced part of that practice was endangering her life tyrone. 32:23.75 tonycam24 Um, teleports is yeah. 32:34.69 tonycam24 A. 32:37.53 programmeral Hasn't done anything to practice and so it's kind of happening at seemingly random times or maybe not random, but like when he teleports to see Dwayne ah because he was thinking about his brother. Um, when he is sitting down in the during halftime. I have no idea what was happening there but definitely something emotional I guess I'm not I don't know. Yeah. 32:58.67 tonycam24 Yeah, yeah, it was morally conflicted and looking for his guiding light which is Tandy because she literally makes life I don't know if yeah. 33:12.47 programmeral Yeah, maybe yeah, this could be 1 of those things of the powers or like well um I'll help you figure out what you need to figure out kind of thing like maybe there's a little bit of ah of a intelligence behind the powers. 33:23.99 tonycam24 Um. 33:26.19 tonycam24 Yeah, so remind me what happened did he talk to her at the game or at the ball. Whatever it's called. Yeah yeah I know I I definitely remember her pushing him off the balcony which I have questions about. 33:34.12 programmeral Ah, oh Tandy. Ah yeah, they spoke a little bit um because they ran into each other and she was like what are you doing here? Yeah ah I could have gone so bad. 33:44.97 tonycam24 But like was there a point to this. Okay, that's that's what I want there. 33:53.67 programmeral I don't think so um, oh actually um I think a little I think there was a little bit of a point. Um, so she had said something or so earlier in the episode. Um when Tandy and tyrone first see each other at the school. Ah. She was saying like oh yeah, I'm going to go ahead and use my powers to learn what all these people at this party like want and then I can use that information against them and tyrone was like against the ideas like isn't that you know wrong in some way. Yeah, exactly hoethical. That's the word I wanted. Um. 34:15.30 tonycam24 Um, yeah. 34:22.29 tonycam24 Um, unethical, yeah. 34:28.13 programmeral So when they talk again. Ah here at the party I think I think Tandy had said pretty much the same thing like yeah I'm getting all this information here. It's it's so useful and then later in the game when ty wrote teleports back he is seeing everyone's fears. Which I mean I don't know if he's really controlling that because all these people are touching him but we do see that he's used those fears and he's scaring like people are being scared in the middle of the game. Um, and so I think he's starting to get a little bit of a grip on it. 34:50.91 tonycam24 Are. 34:59.42 tonycam24 Um, yeah, yeah. 35:06.19 programmeral It here. So I I do think that conversation kind of helped with that part. 35:07.86 tonycam24 Um, okay, that makes sense So Tandy's going in. We kind of skipped over her but she's working for like this public. 35:13.19 programmeral You know. 35:21.14 tonycam24 I said escort service because that's what I thought was originally but it's more of like a publicity I don't know what you call this. It's not escort. 35:29.25 programmeral It's It's not well. It's It's what I think it's well I think it's what legitimate escort businesses say they are right? It's paying to have beautiful women. 35:35.15 tonycam24 Um, it can turn to that. 35:42.35 tonycam24 Uda. 35:45.73 tonycam24 Um, yeah, okay yeah. 35:46.24 programmeral Around you that seems to be what the business model is which there are a number of businesses like that I saw a business on Shark tank years ago which was basically that on golf courses and yeah, yeah, exactly it's like all right? these. 36:02.62 tonycam24 Yeah, it makes sense just like rich people want to access to be a whole man. Yeah, ah yeah, so my questions were ah. 36:04.30 programmeral But yeah, so I assume businesses like that exist all over the place. So yeah. 36:17.14 tonycam24 Despite the fact that tyrone does disappear which is actually more confusing to all the people around them This girl just pushed a man off the balcony. 36:30.18 programmeral Ah, yeah, there was a splash um but I guess nothing that yeah um I mean I guess no 1 saw her push him right? like like like okay. 36:32.50 tonycam24 Um, yeah Tyron is soaked in water. 36:42.87 tonycam24 I Someone with is the big area. Lots of people fountain balcony someone saw something. 36:47.72 programmeral Yeah. 36:52.52 programmeral Yeah I guess but maybe they're like oh maybe it's it's a joke because yeah you see a big old splash in the little pool or whatever that is down there that like ten inch little puddle of water and ah and then. 36:59.33 tonycam24 A. 37:06.43 tonycam24 Um, yeah. 37:08.64 programmeral There's no one there So I don't know some weird magic trick or something that's going on. Ah obviously no one got hurt. It's it's weird but sorry, good me. 37:10.62 tonycam24 Yeah, and yeah, talking about we talking about weird magic aren't They also not supposed to be able to touch each other. 37:26.58 programmeral Yeah, that's a good point. She she pushed she pushed him by the clothes though right isn't that no, but also. 37:36.64 tonycam24 Yeah, because like we've seen a few times. Also next week I don't want to talk about it but they do attempt to touch and it doesn't work. Yeah. 37:42.79 programmeral Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right that is inconsistent. Yeah I've got I've got nothing for that. Yeah, maybe yeah yeah. 37:53.72 tonycam24 Which I didn't I didn't actually have that as a note it occurred to me when I watched the next episode. Yeah. 38:01.31 programmeral Um, yeah I got nothing. Maybe it's like a guest or or like I was making up earlier like maybe it has some kind of intelligence behind the powers. So like this can help tyrone unlock How to use his powers or or maybe there's more. 38:10.45 tonycam24 Are the. 38:18.71 tonycam24 Um, yeah, maybe I think it's just an inconsistency. Honestly yeah is tyrone from what we see in the show because from memory is true. 38:19.60 programmeral Another reason why they can't touch that we don't know yet and so it makes sense from this standpoint like that's that's possible. I agree. Yeah. 38:35.49 tonycam24 Is Tyron The only black player on this team. 38:36.31 programmeral Um, ah I cannot remember either. It's possible. 38:46.25 tonycam24 Okay, I'm trying to understand why he threw the game I know some of the team were Jerks but is the other team like lower income or ah because we see their fears is this there one chance for these rich white boys. Have more opportunities even if they don't make the championship. 39:05.74 programmeral I did not think about that I actually didn't think he threw the game at all I thought he just messed up. Um, but it's entirely possible. Yeah, that could be it right? like because considering the the fears that he saw right? You know there was. 39:08.99 tonycam24 Oh I can believe you thought he threw a day. 39:17.99 tonycam24 Are. 39:20.65 programmeral The 1 guy who was scared of like I'm guessing after high school he has to join the military and is scared of going to war. Ah, the other guy who was scared of an abusive dad and like just a bunch of things and so yeah, that very well could be it like I didn't think about that at all. But yeah. 39:26.40 tonycam24 Um, yeah. 39:34.90 tonycam24 So to be fair, he's using the Vulcan logics the needs the many outweigh needs the few because he's helping all these basketball players on the other team he is dooming the ref. 39:51.59 programmeral Yeah I was wondering about that for the ref. Yeah like I I mean the ref definitely did I was gonna say the ref definitely did make the calls to try and cheat the game but I have no idea how the the mob. 39:53.23 tonycam24 Most likely help Oh no good. 40:10.78 tonycam24 I He yeah you know how how chill the mob are about that stuff I was you tried man. It's cool. Yeah. 40:11.29 programmeral Ah, cares about that if they're like well you tried. 40:19.27 programmeral Yeah, there's nothing. You could have done like yeah I'm I'm sure the the mob logic was like well you shouldn't have even let it get to that close of a game anyway. So yeah. 40:29.84 tonycam24 Um, good. So yeah, he whether or not he throws a game. He loses the game he misses out of shot and then he goes home and has fun with avida. 40:41.47 programmeral Um, yeah, yeah. 40:45.88 tonycam24 Yeah, um, and then she leaves and he teleports away to Dwayne probably nude again. 40:52.61 programmeral Yeah, yeah, that keeps happening. Um so he teleported have out of his room and she had to sneak out. Can you can you imagine if if like his parents just like walked in or or like afterwards and like. 41:01.41 tonycam24 Um, yeah. 41:09.80 tonycam24 Is what was this girl doing. 41:12.46 programmeral They see her leaving and he's just gone like what? what? well now have more questions. Okay I was ready to to ground my son and and high five home. But now I don't I don't know what to do? What to think of this situation first. 41:27.60 tonycam24 Um, yeah, well Avina is quite sneaky. She snuck into the bathroom with them ah presumably snuck out broke into the house climate. 41:30.76 programmeral Yeah, so. 41:38.80 programmeral Um, yeah, ah, that's right, you did break in. Yeah. 41:42.35 tonycam24 I think probably climbed into the window and the snuck out again. Yeah is I'm curious is her shirt there or does she also break in with just the jacket on. Okay. 41:55.45 programmeral I imagine she showed up fully clothed as a Justin case. Yeah, no. 42:01.47 tonycam24 Yeah Mom Oh come on in. Let me take your jacket like no. 42:08.49 programmeral No thank you I Want to wear my my full ah ah, raincoat here. Yeah yeah, know her. 42:11.80 tonycam24 Will be buttoned buttoned and zipped. Yeah, so ah ty run and the audience gets the revelation that Dwayne has been working with coms the whole time du du du. 42:24.98 programmeral Oh yeah, yeah, right? no. 42:30.80 tonycam24 Yeah, that's that could been a good all right? Um, anything else for Heroes All right. 42:39.37 programmeral Ah, no no I've got nothing else cool take a quick break and then we'll move on and talk about everyone else Tony now that I have superpowers I have started a business to help people but I have a problem. Do you know what? the problem is. 42:54.18 tonycam24 Um, um, there aren't enough cats stuck in trees all right? um. 43:00.76 programmeral Exactly too many other people with the same business as me if they're all helping people I can't the only logical solution is to um, muscle them out and that's where our friends at Connor Mcconnor's planning solutions. 43:12.99 tonycam24 Um, ah. 43:16.15 programmeral Come into play last week I had a dozen competitors now after working with Connor Mcconnor's planning solutions. There are only 2 other companies doing the same thing which is great for society because now they can get help from me which is better. Why are there still other companies. Well for a few reasons for one. It's better to have a duopoly than a monopoly trust me also I can't help everyone so you need you need others if you find yourself in a similar situation call our friends of Connor Mcconor's planning solutions and use permo codede mcuu rewind to get the free upgrade to a bloodless clue it up. Bloodless coup. 43:53.76 tonycam24 English this co or a bloodless clue. So yeah, ah technically since he said there are 2 other competitors isn't this a triopyly. Okay. 43:55.47 programmeral Yeah. 44:04.60 programmeral Yeah, well you know in case they go out of business or something like at a minimum you need to make sure you have a duopoly yeah because then yeah, you don't want the Ftc looking down your your stuff like hey why is there only one company. Yeah that that'd be bad. Yeah. 44:09.77 tonycam24 Okay, cool. Yeah. 44:19.85 tonycam24 It's true. All right moving on to our villains. Ah, do we want to talk about cons here or I have it notes in O'reilly or how you want to do commerce. 44:33.33 programmeral Ah, oh boy, Um I mean yeah, let's talk about him here because if we don't We don't have anyone for villain. 44:41.56 tonycam24 Um, oh no I have notes for rocks on as an entity. 44:43.27 programmeral Oh okay, let's talk about rockx on but I do think that will let's I guess we can combine him with O'reilly um, but yeah, let's let's start with rocks on. 44:51.87 tonycam24 Yeah, so we started this episode of with a commercial for rocks on right? Um Spokesman is a guy with a cool robot arm. Ah not as cool as like winner soldiers but still pretty cool. Ah. 44:59.47 programmeral Yep. 45:05.41 programmeral There Yeah something. 45:08.79 tonycam24 But his name is loud and swift first named Louden last name Swift this is a made up man who never existed and rock saw has created this character I used to be the fastest and the people paid attention to me. 45:21.66 programmeral Um. 45:27.50 tonycam24 I am loud and swift but now with one arm I am just loud. 45:30.24 programmeral Um. 45:35.27 tonycam24 I thought for sure this guy was this was a Marvel comics guy like he's not but I looked up. 45:35.69 programmeral Yeah, yeah. 45:44.70 programmeral Ah, so I didn't catch the name I I didn't notice that at all. Um, but as soon as you said it I thought oh yeah I Wonder what that character is like in the comics. Oh okay I see I see what you mean? Okay, ah. 45:50.91 tonycam24 Um, yeah, we also get a little bit of knowledge that they're looking for like previously unknown energy sources which I thought they were just drilling for oil and hits the the vibranium. Exploded and gave them their powers but also they could have been digging for drugs because we know Tandy and tyron got their stuff from drugs. 46:09.62 programmeral That could be it. Yeah. 46:18.53 programmeral I You know drugs could also be a power source like substance substances can be dual use. 46:21.21 tonycam24 Um, yeah, um, did you ever? Ah you seen the movie Clover field right? okay. 46:32.39 programmeral Yes, the 1 time. 46:36.90 tonycam24 So you did were you aware of all the arg stuff the alternative reality games that was happening with them at the run time. Okay, so this was yeah 2007 2008 the movie came out in January Two Thousand and Eight and args were like the big thing. 46:42.86 programmeral No I. 46:50.65 programmeral Okay. 46:56.36 tonycam24 Like lost did them heroes did them a bunch of these sci-fi shows. So there's like a bunch of backstory to the Cloverfield Monster and the clover field monster was awakened from beneath the sea when slow slu show I think when a company was digging. 47:02.70 programmeral Yeah, yeah. And. 47:16.28 tonycam24 Beneath the Earth service because they are a softering company and they're looking for different flavors. So that's what again, Clover field of them drilling into the Earth were new flavors of soda. We know. 47:28.31 programmeral Okay, that's funny because the the movie says it's a different ah story that brings on the monster. But okay, yeah, yeah, it it shows the monster falling like in the background of one of the scenes. Yeah. 47:34.70 tonycam24 Yeah, like something of a space. Yeah, no yeah I know I know it doesn't make sense but this is what the air G told us I will acknowledge that it contradicts itself but we also find in this that. 47:48.25 programmeral So okay. 47:53.99 tonycam24 From the articles that Taandy's reading that they well Mina Hess who Tandy meets also has found unknown sea life through rocks on did rockx on cause the clover field monster. That's what I'm asking. 48:10.78 programmeral Um, oh yes. 48:14.20 tonycam24 Yeah, cool, cool cool because this was definitely 2008 which was before I man 1 takes place in 2010 cap is frozen um cap marvels in space. So there was no one to save them from the global field monster. 48:21.98 programmeral Um. 48:29.00 programmeral Yeah, yeah, it was either. It was either rocks on or seven eleven but either way. Yeah. 48:35.22 tonycam24 Know yeah, definitely not I want to saylu show devie starts with SL and ends with an o but whatever all right? Um, yeah, that that now I'm done with our villains. 48:39.75 programmeral Ah, 6 Ah, ah. 48:50.16 programmeral Okay, are. 48:52.96 tonycam24 Career The Clover Field Monster or unleashure of the Clover Field Monster and fake fake Spokesman Company Rockton right? moving on guy in the chair. 49:02.80 programmeral Um, okay, ah yeah, sounds good. 49:11.75 tonycam24 Starting with O'reilly I like I don't mind the scenes with like teron and the vida hooking up because it's like oh it's part of the relationship. It's part of growing up as a team seeing O'reilly hook up. And the cop cart is completely gratuitous. Yeah yeah. 49:29.57 programmeral Um, yeah, yeah, ah I mean to be fair given that this show was made for freeform like that was the kind of stuff that they were going for at the time I don't know if it was. 49:42.40 tonycam24 Um, who. 49:42.94 programmeral Called freeform already or not or if it was still like the tail end of Abc family. Yeah, that's what yeah was it that at the time or. 49:46.71 tonycam24 Abc family I think I think it was freeform because I think freeform is like trying to be more mature just Abc family. 49:56.25 programmeral Yeah, yeah, well they had already started doing that stuff. Um, they just hadn't changed the name yet. So now I'm looking it up and yes, so in 2016 is ah when the name changed. Yeah, so they already been this for like a year and a half two years 50:12.35 tonycam24 Oh yeah, yeah, so but like as someone who for a majority of of this run really enjoyed game of thrones. Ah, there was a lot of sex in that and there is a definite difference between fortuitous. 50:15.53 programmeral Yeah. 50:30.19 tonycam24 And not gratuitous and this doesn't push the story along even though we do see that like she has a relationship with this guy. 50:30.54 programmeral So. 50:37.48 programmeral This is this is just the first time that we see them together right because I remembered oh yeah. 50:46.90 tonycam24 Um, I Yes, this guy does I think he's come and talk to her like once or time twice in the station. 50:53.59 programmeral Yeah, so I I remembered that these two had a relationship so I was waiting for it to turn into something. Um, but yeah, it just like happened overnight I Guess um because yeah, like they've talked like he's brought her coffee a few times like that's what we've seen. Yeah. 51:02.46 tonycam24 Um, yeah. 51:09.74 tonycam24 Um, so all right? Ah yeah, so she researches drug buss and find out that Conor is like cleaning up the area for some other bigger dealer. Ah spoiler alert. 51:23.65 programmeral Probably yeah well, we'll see Yeah, we'll see more later but yeah, probably probably. 51:27.36 tonycam24 Think it's him since he was yeah since he was moving around blocks at cocaine. Yeah, we get an answer to a question. We had a few days ago where were a few weeks ago days what is time. 51:40.37 programmeral Yeah, yeah. 51:47.27 tonycam24 Um, we were confused about why Tandy's exlieum was picked up even though he didn't do murder all we forgot that he did robberies with Tandy those are crimes too. 51:57.76 programmeral Ah I Yeah yeah I I guess yeah I mean yes, um, but like I don't know we the audience don't really get much. We just get that he was picked up and. 52:12.27 tonycam24 Yeah, well they talk. Ah she says like for her his charges for robbery because they did Rob a wedding. 52:17.74 programmeral Yeah, that's true. Yeah, so I guess I guess he was caught and that okay so question that I have is um, ah so he. 52:23.11 tonycam24 Um, yeah. 52:33.70 programmeral So Liam asks O'reilly about Tandy right? or she she mentioned something someone Mentions Tandy I forget who it was um but I guess ok yeah, yeah, yeah, he's he's trying to make sure she's fine but he. 52:37.68 tonycam24 Um, er. 52:40.63 tonycam24 I think I think O'reilly mentioned Sandy because Liam is still like protecting her right? As far as we know. 52:53.44 programmeral I guess that obviously means that he was not picked up for robbing the wedding because Tandy was there and O'reilly arrested Liam but she would know of Tandy so obviously like my my assumption is he was picked up for some other unknown crime or other generic just theft. 53:04.30 tonycam24 Yeah, this is. 53:10.47 tonycam24 Yeah, okay, yeah, they mentioned she mentions robbery So I presumed it was the crime that we saw but you're right because if she really although does she care about the robbery. 53:12.42 programmeral That did not involve Tandy in some way in. 53:28.94 tonycam24 Or is she just trying to like she's just holding him because she wants conners caught and they can use right? Yeah I mean she's just using him as a plea deal. I Don't know why was she interviewing a liam. Maybe that's my problem I own. Can you hear me.