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[00:00:00] We partnered with Redcliffs team and the Principles Organization, which he branched off of Bridgewater Associates, they are using the collector famously used in Bridgewater, which is basically a way to give feedback to your colleagues. So if Harpreet, I say great interview, I can give you a 10 with an attribute of interviewing thumbs up, or if you mess up a report, I can give you an attribute of three with a thumbs down. And over time those dots compile and it tells you a story about how you actually are based on Data.

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[00:01:30] Our guest today believes that cultivating the person you want to become is the most important journey you can endure.

[00:01:38] He graduated college with little to no prospect of who and what he wanted to become. This led him to undergo his own personal path to growth, frantically searching for how he can create the person he knew he would want to become. He's currently the lead analyst for Impact Theory, where he advises and makes data driven decisions for Tom, Billu, Impact Theory, Comics, Women of Impact and the Health Theory channels and shows. He's also built the back end platform and sales funnel for Impact Baylor University, which launched last year. On top of all that, he's leading the culture in building the charge at Impact. They're working directly with the principals organization at Bridgewater Associates, founded by billionaire Ray D'Alessio, to test culture building tools in order to achieve a thriving, honest and Data driven culture and impact theory. So please help me welcome our guests today, a man who lives by the motto Change your story, change your life. Chase Caprio Chase. Thank you so much, man, for taking time out of your schedule to be on the show today. I appreciate having you here.

[00:02:42] Of course. Thank you for having me on our break. This is a great, great honor.

[00:02:45] It is. It is absolutely my honor to to have you being a student at Impacter University, having seen you give that presentation on the type of data and analytics work that you do at Impact Theory, I was like, man, I've got to get this guy in to the show to talk about this before we get into all that. Before you get into the work that you do, talk to us a little bit about where you grew up and what was it like there?

[00:03:07] Yeah, so I grew up here in Los Angeles, California, specifically in Hermosa Beach, Redondo Beach, Manhattan Beach, all three beach cities growing up here. It was it was great. It was the perfect childhood, from what I can remember. And I had three freedom to go around the town to bike great schools, great friends. So there wasn't really anything to sketchy or scary about my childhood. My parents were divorced for a while or since. Ninety nine going through that was probably one of the biggest sort of things I had to deal with as a kid. So but other than that, I can't say I was too. I wasn't struggling too hard with terms of living. I always had a place to live. I had good Christmases. I had my family and my grandparents. But again, we all face different challenges every day. So we all work through those our own ways and the divorce. And my parents went through emotional struggles from that was probably the biggest thing I had to push through. But over that over other than that, it's been it's been it was a great childhood, great place to live. And that's why I'm back here after I graduated college back in twenty sixteen. That's a particular place to be.

[00:04:09] That's awesome. Yeah. I mean I've lived in Southern California for several years and that the beaches area is absolutely gorgeous man. So I am quite envious that you get an opportunity to grow up there to talk to us about what kind of kid you were in high school and when you were in high school. What did you think your future would look like?

[00:04:27] Yeah, so in high school I was the lazy kid, so my GPA wasn't too high. I played sports specifically football, and all my focus was on football. And I grew up as a lost cause. I didn't blossom until I was like nineteen. So every year I was always the run of the pack. So when I was thirteen, everyone else was fourteen. When everyone was fifteen, I was fourteen. So I was always that one step behind. So in high school I was always battling a little bit extra hard to push further in sports. And I was like my biggest thing in high school. I always wanted to be the starting quarterback of my high school football team and I was just my main focus in school was a secondary to that. So GPA wasn't great, but my sports is well, my focus was and if I knew what I do now, I think I have a much different aspect on what I would learn from from when I played sports. So when it comes to mindset, when it comes to putting effort in and trying harder, and it's not all about the looks of the art, it's about actually perfecting art. That's probably what I focus on now.

[00:05:31] But growing up, I was an average kid. I was an average kid with average grades, average athletic ability. I kind of always wished I was that one kid in the movie where the hero would come out and say, you're that one special kid I want to take under my wing and train. I think we all kind of imagine that at one point, but I just never that special guy. So I had to really work at building something of myself and I didn't really come to that realization until I was twenty one twenty two. Like I went to college and all I wanted to do was party with friends and get with girls. And I was like one of my main focuses. And in those experiences in college and after I graduated college, I really had to take a hard look at the person I wanted to become. And that was the biggest key. And what drove me to going to impact theory and going down the mindset route was I was on such a terrifying path, the person I wanted to become that I knew something had to change. And I realize that fairly early on, so I'm lucky to have that sort of realization.

[00:06:29] So talk to us about kind of what you thought your future would look like as you're going through through all these kind of challenges growing up and work on your mind, working on yourself, getting yourself right. What did you think that the future would look like for you?

[00:06:43] Yeah. So, again, like I was average growing up. I was average in college, average, average, average. And I knew my life would be exactly what that was. It just be average. I'd get a job at a beginning recruiting firm, worked there for a few years, spend all my paycheck partying on the weekends with my friends, getting drunk, not going to the gym, and then all of a sudden I'll be thirty five at the same bar I've been going to since high school and I would realize why I just really wasted 15 years of my life and I saw that from after I graduated college.

[00:07:14] I just wasn't happy with myself. My parents were excited that I graduated college. I was extremely upset because I couldn't pinpoint at the time, but I just wasn't proud of myself. I had a 4.0 GPA. I graduated with three point eight my junior year. I killed it, but I just wasn't happy with myself because I copped out. I took an easy route, was an easy major. And that just wasn't it wasn't fulfilling enough for me. And I think it just comes to what Tom talks about all the time and impact theory, like doing the hard things, the strength is in the struggle. And I didn't struggle too hard to get that 4.0. So it was one of those things where it's like I graduated, I got the grade, I got the result. I just did not feel good about myself. And that's when I started realizing, like, it's not about the outside metrics that matter. It's about how you feel about yourself when you're by yourself. Tom talks about that again all the time. That's something that just really resonates with me now more than ever, because I got the grades, I got the job, I got the cash. But it just doesn't feel good unless I'm struggling to get past that journey to get that goal.

[00:08:17] What was that journey like that that brought you from after after college, after university to where you are now? You developed this really healthy mindset for yourself. Talk to us about what that what that journey was like.

[00:08:29] Yeah. So after I graduated, I was two hundred and twenty pounds. I drank four out of seven days a week. I loved beer. So that was my life for my senior year of college. I drank and partied and I didn't have much prospect of getting a job in my major. I worked at a startup agency before that, but it didn't pan out until four after college. So after I graduated college with a bachelor's degree, I needed cash. So I worked on a moving company. So I worked at a moving company with people who were homeless. There were ex cons like they were they were people who worked these minimum wage jobs because they have to. And I was in that same position. I have a bachelor's degree. I grew up in this neighborhood. Like what? I didn't come from a well-off, super well-off family, but they weren't helping me either with rent or anything, which is probably the best thing I could have done for me.

[00:09:16] But after I graduate, I need cash. I wanted to do something better than when I was doing work at a moving company. During that period. I just dove into books like Start Up with actually the Tao Te Ching. So that was one of the big ones for me. And my mom was all into that spiritual stuff. And growing up, I never really understood it as a kid. But when I was an adult, that's when I started really clicking in like, oh, I can see this another way. That's how it's beneficial and not some sort of woo woo mystical universe is going to help you kind of stuff. So during that period, it was about eight or nine months. I was just reading voraciously, introducing myself to content like Tom's Tim Ferriss and those guys. Those guys were really helpful in my journey. And lucky enough, Tom was filming inside his first interview show in El Segundo, which is a few miles away from Hermosa Beach. And one of my friends invited my mom to the interview to see Blake Mycoskie, the founder of Toms. And she invited me. And I was like, all right, I'm in this personal development stuff. I'll go check it out. So I went to the headquarters, saw Tom and saw him interview Blake Mycoskie. And that's when I was like, this is amazing. I can go to these interviews. They're world class, world class people. But who is this? Tom, I never heard of this Tom guy, and that's literally where it all started.

[00:10:32] It's interesting to hear there's a lot of similarities in my journey compared to yours, except you got your shit figured out for quicker than life than I than I ever did. So now tell us about how you got into the world of Data. I definitely get into a ton more of the mindset stuff, but I'd be remiss if I did not talk about it for the audience. So how how'd you get into the Data world?

[00:10:55] Yeah, so in the major that I took in college, which was urban planning and development, we're required to take a few of these classes that were specifically in sort of analytics.

[00:11:06] And I've always been pretty good at Excel and PowerPoint and those kind of things, but I never really was a whiz at it until his professor really. He's my favorite professor at the University of Arizona, Professor Bailey, and he showed us the most practical use of a college class that I could have ever asked for. And it was basically all about Excel and statistics. I learned a lot about regression analytics and whatnot, and I still use that to this day, the full on year college course year of Just Excel work. And that's when I realized that, A, this isn't as difficult as I thought it would be be coming out of the gate. I can actually add value to a company that is needing this stuff and see, I'm young getting into the stuff which most people aren't really touching. So I have an upper hand here. So that's when I really started to dove into the Data stuff. So at the time, I was working for a startup digital media studio in Santa Monica online and I was there Data guy running Excel programs and whatnot, cutting through their Data, giving them data driven decisions. And that was something that would cost a lot of money for a lot of companies. But I was the cheap version of that. And plus I wanted to learn. So that's what I did when I applied for impact theory, then have that a marketing intern opening and I went in and applied and showed them I work in Excel and that's exactly what they're looking for. They wanted some guy who was into Data and knew how to clean through and understand and read Data. And that was that was me. So a year in college and then three and a half, four years of just figuring out on my own where I am right now. That's how I got the Data.

[00:12:36] That's cool, man. I know a lot of my audience would absolutely love to work with the type of Data that you do. I for one, would absolutely love to work for the man that you do, I think is completely awesome that you work for Tom. Billu, but talk to us about that day to day with the Data. What type of kind of analytics do you do? I know that I know you do a lot of the the YouTube analytics. So that user generated content analytics, some touch about some of the aspects of your day to day work and what some challenges are with the data that you work with.

[00:13:07] Yeah, absolutely. So my day to day basically is a lot of tracking, lot of cleaning, analyzing and reporting, which I think a lot of us can a lot of the data analyst can relate to. So we have 10 different platforms that we have content on and each platform needs his own special treatment. So depending on the goal of which platform we're focusing on, that's the North Star metric that will optimize for us. So for YouTube right now, we're really focused on getting the monetization up. So we really want to focus on having monetized views on what drives monetize use, download the Excel. This kind of dove through what has been popping off or why are these popping off then work backwards from there. So that's one aspect of YouTube. And then there's also requests coming in every day from people who want to understand how should I cut the interest? What's the retention like at this section for this episode? What if I put the what if I put the intro before or if I put the sizzle after? It's like all these different mixtures. And how does that impact the retention and how does that relate to actual monetized views? So it spirals like that.

[00:14:06] And there's also just a lot of testing that I do. So we do thumbnail tests every day, have a whole spreadsheet tracking all the different and B tests that run. We also do a lot of different ads with Google ads for different properties we run, which I also run not necessarily Data. I wear a lot of hats other than Data as well, as you can tell by the intro. But yeah, my day to day changes a lot, but a lot of it is the same. So I do reports for women of impact. Every single week we dove through the data in our marketing meetings and our weekly team meetings. What's working, what's not working, how can we pivot a lot of recommendations that I make on what we should be doing and where should we be aiming and how should we optimize? It's a lot of is more strategic. That is my news. So I'm basically the guy diving in and kind of leading the business strategy of what we should be focusing on.

[00:14:51] Is there anything that really stood out to a super counter intuitive with some of these tests and then numbers that you're running with or something that's just like, oh my God, I did not expect that to perform well?

[00:15:03] No, I can't say anything off the top. My head was anything sort of mind blowing in terms of the tests. I guess like when Goggins first released, we didn't really think it would be that big of an episode. And all of a sudden it popped off and it did. And we kind of realized that the whole tough mentality mindset was what really people are interested in at the time. Like we're the first people to think, bring Gorgons out into the to the ether. So that was exciting and unexpected as well. But in terms of like the day to day testing, like I've got a pretty good pulse on what I think, what works and what doesn't. And I try out some crazy different headlines that I know will work. And sometimes they work too well because they're so quick. Maybe, but yeah, nothing off the top of my head. That's too surprising. Of the Data, everything's pretty fairly predictable. We run a lot of ads for you and whatnot. And so far those have all been pretty run of the mill and nothing really popped up. So one thing I do want to focus on is seeing if we can get ways to make it to you. Ads more profitable, which we haven't really nailed down yet, but we're looking to start scaling that.

[00:16:00] There's like a good portion of my audience that are kind of breaking into Data science up and coming Data scientist who are brand new on their on their journey into career path. What are some key metrics that you think they should do some homework on, read up on and research on just what they can build a vocabulary?

[00:16:18] Yeah, there's a lot of marketing books out there that I think would really help Data analysts and data scientists communicate. Accurately to the people they want to influence, so I see a lot in our meetings with our artists and Tom that they convey something in their artwork that they tell Tom, but Tom doesn't necessarily understand because he has to speak that artist's language. So what I would recommend is if you're getting into a company and you're in the sort of marketing growth department, understand what those growth metrics are and how to communicate very well, because I know a lot of a few Data scientists and one of them is a very whippets smart guy who can code Python like there's no tomorrow. But when he tries to explain something to me that's a little over my head, he doesn't have that sort of lingo.

[00:17:04] So I would really recommend when you guys are diving into a new company and a new sort of process that you understand the lingo and are able to communicate your thoughts accurately with the lingo because it differs for each company and a lot of data scientists and Data ounces, well, they love to do kind of side projects to build their knowledge and then just tinker and play around with stuff. Do you know of any project ideas that they could do with the type of Data that you work with if there exists like some public YouTube Data, or can we just go to the YouTube channel and pull data and metrics from it or anything like that?

[00:17:42] That's a good question. I don't know of any sort of public YouTube Data that is available. I'm lucky enough to have access to a lot of different metrics that I can mess around with. But one thing that I have been playing around with is a tableau, and that's something that I haven't really been good at. And I've seen so many great uses for it that I really want to start using in our day to day company life. And I've been really working hard to sort of getting that going because I see these people who are creating these Tableau platforms, like I know California has their Tablo platform for the different counties that I've rises and kubernetes on Tablo. So the limits are endless for what it could be for Tablo. And that's something I want to focus on. And if you're into that, try there.

[00:18:24] Yeah, Tableau is quite nicely at the public version of that, where you can just download it for free and create some really, really engaging dashboards and visualizations. There's also a huge portion of my audience. I feel like that the members of my audience like a special breed of data scientist. These are the guys that are and ladies who become like chief analytics officer or chief data scientist. Right. But the thing is that a lot of data scientists, they usually end up being the first data scientist hired by an organization like Data Science teams are essentially like start ups within larger companies. Right. And I think this is this concept of intrapreneurship is super, super important. And I know Tom talks about this a lot and the impact their university courses AIs wondered if he could break this concept down for us. What is an entrepreneur?

[00:19:13] Yeah, intrapreneur Harp to me is the cliche. If it's meant to be, it's up to me. So if you want to get something done in through the door, then you have to act like you're the person who's going to lead it and push it through all the way. And again, I've worked at an actual company where there is sort of hierarchy, so I have no idea of insubordination works. But I'm lucky enough to work at impact theory or that freedom is is very widely accepted and encouraged. So to me, that's the phrase in my head. Whenever there's something I want to push through, it's meant to be it's up to me. And that's the attitude that I think everyone should have. They want to be enshrined in the company, act like it's your problem to solve and only your problem is solved.

[00:19:51] And I guess at the risk of sounding we've done here, I guess. What have you learned about being an entrepreneur from your experience? Had an impact there?

[00:20:00] Yeah, it's not something that comes easy or natural to me at all. So I it feels so much better having someone else tell you you should do this and you should do that. And it just takes the thinking out. But when you're an entrepreneur and thinking about how you're going to solve this problem yourself, you really put a lot of weight on your shoulders to figure it out. And you really want to have that much more of an impact because you want to be the person that figures it out, helps the company.

[00:20:26] So figure out what you're asking the Intrapreneurship and what you've learned about it. Yeah, we're in Intrapreneur, right. Because you're like the first Data person that compacter.

[00:20:37] Yeah, I was the first full time intern at the factory. So again, it was it's a very learned thing. So I'm not a full on entrepreneur. I'm still struggling with that myself because there's so many things I want to push through that I have to take a step back and really see what my priorities are in the company, or else I'd be pushing ten things through at once and none of them want to get done. So I'm still learning how to do that fully myself. Not fully there yet, but again, that's meant to be. It's up to me. It's definitely a learned skill. So it's not something you're born with. Just got to try and fail enough times and fail enough times. You get that scare out of you. It really becomes easier. And I know it's so cliche and I'm not a big fan of cliches, but it will get easier once you keep failing sort of cliches because they're true, right?

[00:21:20] Yeah, I think there's a huge benefit to to being an. Because you get you get the cover of a larger organization, you get the resources of a larger organization, you don't really have to be scrappy from the ground up like an entrepreneur would be. So you still get the same kind of challenges, but you have the resources of a much, much larger organization. Right. I've been fortunate to kind of build two Data science teams from from the ground up. And it is such a rewarding experience. And you learn so much about things that they can teach you in boot camps or books or anything like that. I think it's if anybody listening has the opportunity to be the only data scientist or startup data scientist, go for it. Absolutely. Go for it. Oh, yeah. So one thing I found really fascinating about impact through the company is that the the belief system. So I was wondering if you could talk to us about the the impact their belief system.

[00:22:11] Yeah, I'll be honest. I don't know the impact their belief system one through I think it's 14 out know the back of my hand.

[00:22:17] So it's not something I just keep my wall and look at every single day. I work with Tom on a daily basis. So he's basically the embodiment of the impact theory belief system. So basically a lot of his thinking and what he does is reflected in from the impact their belief system. The one thing I can really think of that I use in my day to day life is do and believe that which moves you towards your goals. I think about that that a lot. And it's one of those cliches that I first heard it it makes sense. But as I start implementing that sort of belief in my everyday life, like if I go out and eat dinner at this one place, it will totally throw off my caloric intake for the day that I want to hit so I can get a six pack kind of thing. And it's like if I if I do that, I'll miss my goal. So it's like if you're going to make if you're doing something I moved you towards your goals, better be sure you're keeping with it. So in work and life, that's the one that really sticks with me the most, is that belief? No, it is, though.

[00:23:11] Was there any particular belief that you find really hard to kind of wrap your head around, really hard to install into your own belief system, trying to trying to think when Tom first said take the red pill, I think it's a very last one.

[00:23:24] I didn't really understand it too well. I didn't understand the Matrix references.

[00:23:27] You know, it's still kind of goes over my head nowadays, too. But I understand a little bit more. That was the first one. I was like, take the red pill. What if you take the red pill? It's basically just understanding the truth of the reality of the situation, not having the blinders up and seeing it as seeing the world as you wish it was, but seeing how it actually is. A lot of the times the human brain is very fascinating. You're able to put up these different blockers and Blinder's to interpret it one way. But when you're trying to work reality to your favor, you have to understand how it actually works. And that's to me what taking the red pill is. And I just didn't really resonate with me at first until maybe a couple of years ago.

[00:24:03] And I know Tom's really huge into studying the human brain and understanding how the brain works. Has that kind of rubbed off on you? And if so, which aspect of the human mind cognition defined to be like the most fascinating?

[00:24:16] Oh, definitely. I've definitely rubbed off on me. I love studying the brain and not just kind of drove me into studying human evolution. So evolutionary psychology is one of my really big I would say obsession is. But one of the things I'm most fascinated with reading my favorite book of all time is Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari.

[00:24:34] Like I read that book and I immediately finished it and then reread it again. It was one of those like really impactful books, just understanding how humans evolved. So when studying the brain, it's always it's a fascinating how emotions work. So I always try to think of things, human, evolutionary perspective, what things are healthy for you, why we're reacting certain things a certain way. So that's been really captivating for me. It just understanding how the brain works. Phantoms in the Brain by V.S. Ramachandran is another great book to Understanding the Human Brain Incognito by David Eagleman and a book by David Eagleman is just fantastic about the brain. That's been really fun. Just to learn about your own psyche, learning about other people's psyche, again, understanding how the world actually works instead of the way you wish it works. It's been one of the true passions of my life is just trying to understand, again, how the world works and how I can use that to benefit other people and as well as enrich myself.

[00:25:26] I Sapience is an amazing book and that the Phantoms in the Brain by Vincent, which I'm pretty sure stands for very sexy, but I'm sure it does. That guy's book is hilarious. Too many. Yeah. Interesting character. So while you were studying this, this evolutionary psychology and things like that, is there like some aspect of your own nature of human nature that that kind of really like shook you to the core once you understood it and things just started making complete sense after that? Was anything like that?

[00:25:54] Yeah, definitely. I mean, there's been a few times where I've just kind of realized we're all just meat suits falling with electricity.

[00:26:01] Like, there's really no two ways about it. And we're we're primates. We're animals in this crazy world that's evolving way too fast. And there's things that are happening now that are emotions and emotional intelligence can't really keep up with. So it's interesting living through this time and understanding previous periods as well and having that wave hit me of where we're not really a specialized. We're just mammals who have developed a better cerebral cortex for independent thinking, that was a very big hit. We think we're special, but we're just another animal with a big brain.

[00:26:39] I think this interesting, like I read it in Lynchpins by Seth Godin talks about the lizard brain and also talks about the two. You guys actually, I think one of the the tweets also refers to that like that limbic brain, right? Yeah. So have you had, like, moments where you're really trying to fight that that limbic brain? And if so, what are some of the things that kind of trigger you?

[00:27:04] Yeah, all the time. It's not something that is I'll think I'll ever figure out. I mean, there's things in work and life every day that you like a ton of bricks. You want to emotionally react to it, and sometimes you do. And sometimes you catch yourself. Sometimes you have to take a step back and think about the higher level of thinking of first order and second order consequences about what you're going to say. So I'm not perfect. I don't claim to be perfect, but it's a it's a struggle every every day. And it's not something that I think I'm going to master. But when it comes to business and life in business, I'll get that for putting in some wrong numbers in a report and get scolded for that. And that stings. And then we bring it up a team meeting because we want to be transparent with each other.

[00:27:45] And we say Chase reported this number wrong. It's like, oh, God, this sucks. And that feeling lasts for a couple of seconds. And I take a step back and I say, this pain stings, but it's good that I feel the sting because now I know I'm not going to do it next time, but I'm not going to let it stop me from moving forward. So before when I get yelled at, I would take down like a personal insult. So I let that sit with me for a few hours, if not a few days. So when, for example, Lisa would scold me about something, she can easily go back to chatting with someone and laughing about some other thing. And the whole subject is completely forgotten on her end. And me, I'm like, linger around that feeling for a few days. And it's not that she doesn't care, but she just knows how to switch in and out of that mindset. So it wasn't anything personal. It's just it's just business. And that's why she's such an awesome businesswoman. She can take she's able to speak to you in a way where, you know, you've done something wrong, but you also learn from it. And then she's also able to transition out of that very quickly. And that's something that I took me a while to learn, is transitioning out of that emotional state quicker and quicker. It still takes a minute or two, but it's something that I've learned is a learned skill. So when you that you you feel for a few hours or few days later on, keep practicing a few hours and it's a few minutes. But transitioning out of those states is definitely something that I've learned to do.

[00:29:06] And that's helped me a lot, most definitely meant for me to very much the same way. If somebody said something that I perceive as a slight, it's very easy for me to go down this spiral of downward just into anger. But it's important to kind of step back and let that initial impression just pass and let me think through this rationally and recognize the opportunity to learn in this mistake. Do you have any daily practices that that you do to kind of exercise this emotional intelligence for lack of a better word? What is this what you'd call that?

[00:29:39] Yeah, I don't meditate every day like I should. I always have a notification on my phone, like meditate, meditate, and I just kind of brush it off. It's something I've been really trying to get back into. But I use meditation as a crutch for a long time.

[00:29:50] But what really helped me is there's exposure therapy. So it just takes kind of taking those beatings that also like recognizing that you're getting that beating and then working through it. So for anyone struggling with the critical feedback, it's something that just needs to be worked through. Like I don't have there's no cliches, words like meditate for ten minutes after you do this. You know, I'm sure that will work. But just for me and my personal Data just exposure therapy, just actively recognize that you're feeling this anger, emotion, know that it's nothing personal. Take a step back and why it's hurting. And from there, you can work on making that transition quicker and quicker. Tom talks about all the time about just like what gives him a super power is he's able to get out of those transitions within within seconds. So if it is an emotionally tight meeting for an hour, he's able to transition out of that within seconds. For some people, that emotional meeting can last for days and weeks, and that's when they start feeling that sort of resentment that you can kind of feel. So it's again, for me, it was exposure therapy. And for Tom, it's again, for him it was more exposure therapy on his own because you start meditating for until like twenty, fifteen, twenty sixteen. So exposure therapy, exposure therapy.

[00:31:04] And you kind of make it like a habit of mind. Like if this negative thought comes in, let me just have that be a trigger for another positive habit to think of something positive instead. Right.

[00:31:16] Yeah. And then even if you're not getting that, like berating feedback, like ask for the feedback, like, OK, so I gave you this report. Tell me how I could have. To better what can I. What did I do wrong? And then they'll tell you everything that you did wrong, what you could do better, and you can see that as a reflection of, like, OK, I did poorly. Or you can see it as thank you for telling me how I can improve for next time. So that's one way to start getting your callous in your mind for those kind of meetings. And that's definitely helped. And I'm working on with the principals team and the the collector. We get critical feedback all the time. So people tell you that your report wasn't that great, your numbers were off, you get that feeling sting. But if you don't count yourself to Sydney, what's up, artists?

[00:32:01] I would love to hear from you. Feel free to send me an email to the artists of Data Science at Gmail dot com. Let me know what you love about the show. Let me know what you don't love about the show and let me know what you would like to see in the future. I absolutely would love to hear from you. I've also got open office hours that I will be hosting and you can register like going to Bitly dot com forward, slash a d. S o h. I look forward to hearing from you all and look forward to seeing you in the office hours.

[00:32:40] Let's get back to the episode or you will to talk to us about the concept, the and the work that you're doing with principles.

[00:32:50] Yeah. Yeah. So I got the green light from them to talk about, which is pretty cool. Yeah. So we partnered with Rodolfo's team and the Principles Organization, which you branched off of Bridgewater Associates.

[00:33:00] They are using the collector famously used in Bridgewater, which is basically a way to give feedback to your colleagues. So if Harpreet I say great interview, I can give you a 10 with an attribute of interviewing thumbs up, or if you mess up a report, I can give you an attribute of three with a thumbs down. And over time those dots compile and it tells you a story about how you actually are based on data. So it compiles different data points on different attributes and different no rankings. It's over a period of time, a thousand dots of thumbs up and thumbs down. You can see for each attribute, for analytics, for acts like an owner, for committed to company culture. You can see actively where you rank. So when it comes to the review, there's no question about we did good this year. We did by this year where you improved. It's all in the data. And when you know and what you know, you're doing well. It's great. But when you when you can see that you're failing to improve on, for me, it's attention to detail. So my attention to detail is very low and I get ranked on that a lot or Data on it a lot. So it's a place I know where I need to improve. And each dot I get in that category is another sting because it's like I'm really working hard at bringing it up, but sometimes I still miss. But I know it's something I need to work on. So that's the collector in a nutshell. It's an attribute ranking system that all your colleagues can see, what you're good at, what you're about.

[00:34:26] And yeah, it's almost like a real time. Three sixty review in a sense. Writing in feedback. Exactly. Everyone. Exactly. So it's like on an app. Is this how that works or like.

[00:34:40] Yeah, it's, it's on an app. So it's a it's an app that each, each of our employees use and we give feedback on each other's performance every week. So if you want to get that critical feedback, the collector is a great way to do that because you can request people to give you feedback on any sort of presentation or pitch deck that you put out and they'll tell you exactly what's wrong with it. We need to improve. And sometimes they're not fun conversations at all because a lot of times the conversations that come up there about you made me feel like this when you said this, and then I kind of shut down for a little bit. And then what it does, it brings that conversation to light. Right. So that person who was able to give that dot to that person about them feeling bad, they're not sitting in resentment, thinking that they're able to put that out there. And then it's great because now we can have open discussion about what the real issue is. And then we come to a conclusion about, oh, that's not what I meant. Actually met this. Oh, OK. And come it feels better like that. So, yeah, it's a it's very complex. It's still in this beta stages and we're one of the beta testing partners and it's been great. Tom is a very big believer in principles and the collector and whatnot. So he's a big proponent of it. I am as well, since I've been breeding principles for like every year for the past few years. So I'm a big really a fan of honor work with the team. Yeah. They're hopefully going to enterprise this for companies down the road, but we're just testing out right now and I can't say anything bad about it. It's it's an amazing tool that I think every company will be blessed to use and have.

[00:36:16] That's amazing principles. It's an amazing book. I enjoyed it so much that I just had a son earlier this year, about six months. Thank you very much about him. The I want to say it's a children's book version of principles, but it's like one hundred and twenty pages. Yeah. The picture book. It's great. Yeah, it's amazing. It's beautiful. And there's the the corresponding YouTube video that kind of covers all the principles as well. That's an animation. So I encourage anybody listening to go check that out. So something about like, you know, having that kind of exposure of seeing where it is, you fall short. Where does people perceive you to fall short? Like I feel like there might be for me at least being placed in that situation. I feel a bit of that imposter syndrome kind of kicking in. Is there anything that you've had to deal with throughout your career? And if so, how did you handle that?

[00:37:06] Yeah, I have the world's biggest imposter syndrome known to man. So I totally feel that the reason why I didn't accept the for this podcast interview initially was just because, like, I had a big imposter syndrome.

[00:37:17] I'm like I'm just a just a guy working in Data scientists working in data analytics for the startup company I have and made millions of dollars that I still struggle with everyday struggles of mental health and not mental health like stress, anxiety and stuff like that. So I don't have everything figured out. And what kind of took me through that was learning. How about small wins and how small wins do matter. So I was lucky to work with Vanessa Edwards, who wrote Captiva, which is a great book, great interview that Tom did a few years ago. And she gave me some insights on how to start not seeing yourself as an imposter. Like each each small win that you contribute means that you're bringing value to the organization. So just kind of recognizing, writing down, listing all of my small wins that I've done within the course of a day just helped me get out of that mindset. And then over the course of the week that Quinn troubles Quinn, Quinn troubles by five, five days a week, I forget. So, yeah, that really helped me kind of break out of that hole. Mindset's like, wow, I actually do have value.

[00:38:18] What I'm doing is sort of unique. I am pushing myself harder than I think other people are and I do have value to add. So it's it's still kind of creeping the back of my head. I know a lot of people struggle to Tom, especially I saw him a couple of weeks ago and even says, like with all the success and everything he's working on, he still goes through like seven times a day from being a king of the world to lowest of the low. Like I still have so much more work to do. It was at that point, I was like, damn, I think there never really is an end to all of this. I just kind of mitigated day to day. And as you start to learn and grow about how to deal with it is just a function of time. So you learn every day how to get better dealing with it. And if you just keep yourself accountable to learning that those small ones do matter and that we are building toward something bigger, that it'll really help with imposter syndrome. But I still struggle with that.

[00:39:14] So maybe I struggle with it immensely. And I think it's just because I know that I'm not everything that I could be and and I know it. And that's a very unsettling thing to to confront. And, you know, it's so much easier just to be complacent and just be content with your lot in life, because I'm sure those people don't feel any type of imposter syndrome. Right. But then what's the fun in that? Right. What's the fun and being comfortable.

[00:39:39] Yeah, exactly. You want to really start pushing yourself to see how much you really can achieve in your life. And that's, I think, the standard that we all hold.

[00:39:45] Our earliest I hold myself to and I know yourself probably hold yourself to is how far can we take this? How far can we go? How big can we make this? And how much of a beast can we make ourselves in the process? And that just became a lot of fun for me, which is why I read a lot and why I want to start putting myself out there a little more is that I do have Bible information, but I still have a lot to learn. And taking the chance coming on here, unknown kind of Data science guy, Data analyst guy next to science in there. It's a it's a shot in the dark. So we'll see what happens.

[00:40:18] Dude, don't don't feel that way. You're not just a data analyst, right? That's right. Data science is such a broad field. There's so many different aspects of it. And the data on this aspect of this ecosystem of data science is immensely important and it is huge. So please don't ever feel that way. The other point I was going to make, it just escaped my mind. OK, you'll come back. But what's the growth mindset mean to you?

[00:40:46] Yeah, the growth mindset to me is just to always be constantly learning and always checking yourself about your assumptions about what you're doing.

[00:40:55] So I first learned about a growth mindset. When I first started hanging out with Tom, I was pretty fixed in my ways. And I grew up in a family where they are very fixed mindset.

[00:41:05] So I always kind of grew up. This is how I'm always, how I always was, how I'm going to be. And it didn't really click with me immediately that I can actually be more. And I can actually learn and grow skills that I was always fixed, I got first into that when I was in college. Like I said in the very beginning, I was terrible at math for as long as I can remember. And my sophomore year of college, I was in business calculus and it was one of the hardest classes I've ever taken. And I got it. I had it ended up at the very end of the semester with a D and so at the final test, I studied for three days straight all the coffee in the world so you can think of and I ended up getting the highest grade in the class at eighty nine percent and I ended up getting a C minus and it was probably the most fulfilling C minus I ever got my life. So the 4.0 GPA, 18 credits with all the classes, I didn't really feel as good as getting a C minus in my business calculus class because I crushed the final and that kind of first introduced me that the growth mindset was like it was like the hint of a growth mindset.

[00:42:08] I didn't really put it in place until a few years later. So it kind of showed me that I told myself I was bad at math and I was bad at math. I didn't really I didn't really change until I thought I can do it. And that's when the whole belief system kind of come in. You have to believe you can do it before you actually do it. And that really kicked in for me with the growth mindset. And again, like, I still find myself pulling myself out of fixed mindset ways every now and then when it comes to work, when it comes to life, when it comes to even just health, that my grandparents and whatnot have sort of health issues, all about the issues. But that's not the way it works. So, yeah, first introduced from Tom and it's still, again, something I work on every single day.

[00:42:49] And I have quite a bit older than you. I just turned thirty seven earlier this year and I didn't come across this concept of growth mindset until I was thirty four, thirty five, something like that, like very late in life. And there's like this defining point in my life. There's the Harpreet Sahota for growth mindset and then there's the matter with mindset. The mindset is I like this guy a lot better than the other guy for sure. Absolutely changed my life completely. In what ways do you think it has changed your life and your relationship with yourself?

[00:43:20] Yeah, I did not like myself for a very, very long time, and that's because I was just doing things that were so impulsive and very just makes me feel good at the time that I didn't really understand that the strength in the struggle is where all the juices are.

[00:43:36] So doing the hard things like I was two hundred twenty pounds and I wanted to get lean, I dropped down to one seventy for a while and so I worked my ass off for that. That was something that really was a difficult journey that ended up pulling off. I never thought I could do it because I just kind of took the easy way out. But I put in the work. I can see myself growing. I can see myself liking myself a lot more. I can see my confidence starting to come out. I'm learning a lot more. So the more I read, the more books I read, the more intelligent I become and the more I'm able to use that sort of learnings to help. And I work in business. And that just really was something that that excited me, that being the learner was was a lot more fun than I thought. So like reading books in school was boring because I didn't really want to read of Mice and Men at the time. But now that we're getting to narrative like I want to read all the John Steinbeck books. So I am. And it just becomes fun because you're constantly learning. So that's something that has been really different for me, is that my relationship with myself, my intelligence, my health, it completely transformed. Once I understood that I am able to pull myself out and into any position that I want to give it enough time and give it enough effort, I will succeed, but also secretly know that I might fall flat on my face. But if I don't act like it's my problem to solve that, I'll never, never be able to get there. And those are the two conflicting ideas.

[00:44:58] But the growth mindset has definitely changed me for the better and impact their university, which I have enjoyed it. I'm a I'm a member of it. It is amazing. Definitely worth the investment, the mindset when one course, one of the first modules talks about the false growth mindset. What is the false growth mindset and how do I identify if we're in that?

[00:45:24] Yeah. So for me, the false growth mindset is someone who who reads all the health books tells everyone, why are you eating red meat? Red meat is bad for you. And then you see them eating a hamburger. And and so they have the sort of virtuous feeling of they read the books, they understand how it works. And then when it comes to implementing and executing it, it's not it's not there. So they think they're improving, but they're not actually they're not actually executing on it. So you practice what you preach is what I would say. So I speak softly and carry a big stick. And it's just, again, practice what you preach. So if you're wanting to build a growth mindset and you see that helping build a growth mindset, you meditate ten to fifteen minutes every day. Don't tell everyone you meditate ten, fifty minutes, actually meditate for ten to fifteen minutes. You'll feel a lot better about yourself in the process.

[00:46:14] I think a lot of. People got dreams, they've got goals, they want to achieve the vision of themselves and who they want to become. I know there's a lot of aspiring Data scientists listen to the show as well. They end up spinning their wheels, not knowing where to start their journey. How can we clearly identify our goals so that we know where to begin our journey and where our journey lead us?

[00:46:38] Yeah, for me, it really came down to what I didn't want to do, and that kind of helped me whittle down a lot of paths. So, again, my my goals are still ever changing, the goal posts ever moving. So nothing's really set in stone for me. I'm changing it all the time. But what I would say for people who are spinning their wheels and struggling is identify we don't want to do radio talks about most of the success didn't come from knowing what to do. It came from understanding what you shouldn't do. And that, to me, will open up that we open up a lot of different windows of where I want to go in my job. I wanted to go in life like I didn't want to work in a corporate job 9:00 to 5:00 or hours under the guise of a manager I didn't appreciate. I wanted to work for someone who I admired and respected and knew would be the best thing for me as well as I'd be the best thing for his company, which is how I ended up with with Tom. So I would understand and identify what you actually like doing or what you don't like doing and then sort of whittle down from there. There's a lot of different paths you can go down. But understand, we don't want to do make those other paths very exciting and then just give a try for those other paths that you've whittled down to. Again, like, I'm not a fan of cliches, but you got to give it a shot one foot in front of the other.

[00:47:50] That's right. That's going to be my next question is once we gain clarity on what it is that we truly want, how can we start taking the first steps to get there one foot in the other? It definitely is a good way to get there.

[00:48:04] Yeah. For me, I like to relate a lot of things to health and fitness and working out because I went through my own struggles with weight and building muscle. And it really is just one one day at a time, one day at a time. So the first week here in the gym, I can see any results. A second week, maybe a little bit. Third week, a little bit fourth week. You notice you look different, but no one else really recognizes anything's changed. So it's, again, just like putting in that daily grind understanding and knowing that you're doing the right things that will move you down that path. You won't see the results immediately. But if you feel good about doing it and it makes you feel good and it's really working, moving towards your goals and then keep doing it again, the results are the success. The struggle is guaranteed. The success is not. So make sure you're enjoying the the struggle at least, and you're enjoying what you're doing again, one foot in front of the other.

[00:48:58] Familiar with the Seth Godin book. Dip that it. I love that book. So good. This is an incredible book. And so the concept of the dip, I think inevitably we're all going to encounter that dip on our journey. How can we push through that dip? How do we know when we should push through the dip? Because I mean, the book is in essence about knowing when to quit.

[00:49:23] Yeah, the biggest thing that I can convey with a dip is it's the whole medical school sort of analogy where they put pre med students through. I think it's molecular biology or organic chemistry. It's organic chemistry. It's so brutally difficult. It takes so much time to actually pass a lot of people who are the fakers and don't want to be the doctors and scientists or doctors dropping out because they don't want to be a doctor that bad enough. But the people who do want to be a doctor bad enough, they'll push through, OK, I'm in college to get to the other side. And that's what that's what the debate is like, how bad you actually want to get it to the other side to get to your goal. And when do you tap out? And for me, I, I don't think there has been one big dip. There's been like five or six little mini dips that I've really had to start questioning about if I wanted to keep pursuing or not. And for me, I have the mentality and I guess I think it's sort of a sickness now. I don't know I don't know when to quit. So when it comes to telling jokes, I don't know when to quit. When it comes to football and working out, I don't know when to quit, when it comes to work and achieving something.

[00:50:31] I do not know when to quit. I don't like quitting and I don't know when to quit. So I just keep pushing through. And a few times that I have had those walls, it wasn't a question of who was going to quit. It's how the hell am I going to get through this? And each time I've pushed through it. So if you believe in a company, in a vision like I believe an impact theory, you will find a way to get through it and you will push through it, finding that y in your life of why you're doing what you're doing and how you're going to do it is extremely, extremely important. And if you're not aligned with that when you hit the dip, it might be a question of whether you might want to drop out and find something that you do want to do. But if you are pursuing a goal that you are truly passionate about and you do hit the dip if you can. Strength, the strength to push through it, then, you know, you're on the right path, and of course, when you hit the dip, there's that exponential arc that goes up. So you'll know that you've hit the right spot when you start seeing progress.

[00:51:27] Absolutely. That meant thank you so much for sharing your journey with us, I'm sure. Speaking of football, what was your football team?

[00:51:34] So I'm not really a football team guy, more of a football player guy. So, like, I love all the Tom Brady is my favorite quarterback of all time. So the Patriots were a really big team for me. So I really enjoyed watching the Patriots and I like watching Tampa Bay. But there is just like I'm I'm a fan of the skill of the the art of being a quarterback. So I just love watching all the different quarterbacks play. So Tom Brady is just my guy, like himself as a kid. He's my guy.

[00:51:57] And I think one thing that's big in football, at least from what I've heard, is this stoic philosophy, which I've heard you have an interest in as well. It's been a huge part of my belief system, my philosophy of life in the last year or so. How did you first come across this?

[00:52:14] Stoicism is super interesting to me because I started reading the Tao Te Ching and then when I saw these suggested books, it was like meditations by Marcus Aurelius and I was like, What does meditation by Marcus Aurelius start reading into it?

[00:52:26] And then the holiday book started coming out. I started reading the Ryan holiday books and that kind of introduced me to stoic philosophy. And it's something that I really resonated with because for a while, like I was just resentful and angry that I wasn't where I was in my life. And I took that anger out of myself. I was just had this angry, pissed off look all the time. And I've been told that I have like a resting, pissed off face. So imagine if I'm actually pissed off that look like I just look angry. And people kind of felt that. And I was giving in to my emotions. I was giving in to the petty side of things that we humans fall prey to. So it was really cool. That stoic philosophy allowed me the ability to see that I am able to control these emotions, that they don't have control over me, that I'm able to sort of steal man, steal all these these emotions to where they can't have a hold over me. And that really helped me, again, breaking into the human brain growth mindset that kind of happened at once. I was like stoic philosophy, understanding the brain, human psychology, hang out with Tom. It all kind of just meshed together at once. And they all just helped me understand myself, understand emotions and how to be more more stoic. But I did my mom did actually say that I went too far down the stock route because I was just a brick wall for a good like six to eight months. Like, I didn't find anything sort of enjoyable. All just always just super serious, always looking for the next step and work in business. And I didn't really enjoy my life as much anyway, so I've kind of backed off, backed off it a little bit, but I definitely use it when I need to. And it's definitely been helpful. I read The Daily Stoic every day, so next to my bed.

[00:54:02] So when they read the marks really says, yes, sure. You know, and it's it's a beautiful philosophy. So I definitely recommend digging into a little bit deeper. Ever recorded an episode with Donald Robertson? He wrote How to Think Like a Roman Emperor.

[00:54:20] Amazing book that I saw I had Robert Green on, which is amazing as well.

[00:54:23] Yeah, I probably reading as well that that's Douglas. He's been huge for me. And it's interesting because when I was in high school, I used to have a pocket version, pocket little version of the Toutes that I just carried pocket at all times. So one of the core kind of stoic philosophy, some doing shit that's difficult every day. I do hard things every day, whether that's taking an ice cold shower or walking in freezing cold temperatures with maybe not as much clothing as you should as a way to kind of build and develop your new character. What do you think about that? What's your perspective on doing difficult things every day?

[00:55:04] Oh, I, I love it, but I also absolutely hate it because it never gets easier. Like the people who are mourning people. They don't wake up every morning at four a.m., excited to wake up every morning. They have that same sort of thought on the back of their head where it's cold outside. I want to snuggle up and sleep. Oh really? Separates the men from the boys, I guess is recognizing that this is going to suck and actually pushing through it. And that's where the whole mental game comes in. It comes to stock philosophy like overcome your your mental you know, the actual thing is by not not succumbing to your emotions. So like, that's what the cold showers do. Like you think you don't want to do it and you think you're basically going to die by jumping into it. But once you actually do it and come out of it, you're pushing through that hard thing. And it feels so much better because, A, the water is warm. Now, once you finish and then be, it just feels good putting you through that hard situation again, like coasting through life is great if you want to do that and all. But I never really felt fulfilled until I started pushing through and doing hard things. So like for a while I was waking up at five a.m. until it became unproductive, but I forced myself to do it. When I work out, I do four sets of dead. But sometimes I'll forget if I do a third, and I could say that I probably the third and I'll let it go.

[00:56:23] But back in my head it's screaming like you have no idea if you do that third set again, do it again and make sure. So I end up doing probably five sets. But having that voice screaming in my head of I'm exhausted, I'm tired. You better make sure you finish your sets because you told yourself you're going to do it is what makes it enjoyable. And afterwards, I feel so much better because I did it one, because it feels good just to finish the workout in two, it feels great to actually live up to something that you say you're going to do if you don't want to do it. Strength is in the struggle. So if you have trouble waking up at 5:00 a.m. every day and that's something you want to do, like recognize that it does not get easier and that you just get stronger when it comes to working out, it doesn't get any easier. The weights are getting lighter. You just become become stronger. So it's a mental game. It's you versus you all the time. All the time. It's not me versus the world. It's me versus me. And that's kind of the attitude that I have when it comes to work and life. It's always me versus me. It's my mind versus the lizard brain. And it's something that I do want to master and luckily is has mastered his mind, so to say the least. So I'm learning from him every day and practicing every day, doing the things I don't want to do.

[00:57:38] Well, Data Goggins one plus one is two. But if you can get through doing shit that you hate to do, on the other side is great. This half feels great. Chase, it is the last question before I jump into a random round here. It's one hundred years in the future that you're twenty one twenty. What do you want to be remembered for?

[00:57:59] Oh, that is a tough question. Let's see, like of course, I would love to be like some sort of Steve Jobs aspect is like a big sort of like tycoon kind of guy who just impacted the world beyond measure.

[00:58:13] But setting my sights realistically, which I hate doing. But I just want to have a real answer here. It's I want to be I want to be a good, good, good parent to my kids and grandkids. I don't have kids or anything now, but I, I really, really want to become a father that my kids can look up to someone who a strong, masculine, intelligent person. And I want that to linger through the generations. I really left an impact on on on those that I have closer to my family. So when I think about the impact I want to have immediately, it's that. And then when it comes to like on a global scale, I would love to have some sort of bigger picture idea that impacts the world. Again, it's so, so vague. And I hate saying that. But I you know, that's that's where I'm at. One hundred years being a great father, great grandmother.

[00:59:01] No, man, I absolutely, absolutely agree with that. And I'm glad you're having that that kind of mentality about, OK, be great, because, I mean, part of the reason I put my through a lot of the shit that I do now, just trying to train to support my character, strive for excellence. The character is for my son. If I need to, I need to instill in him the belief systems that my parents didn't give me. Exactly. And set him up with the belief system that is going to help him deal with all the adversities that I know he's going to come across in life. Yeah. So that's wonderful that you're thinking like that right now. Absolutely. Commend you for that. And thank you. Jump in to a random round. First question here. If you were to write a fiction novel, what would it be about and what would you tell it?

[00:59:48] Who? Let's see. So I'm a big fan of history and historical fiction. So, like, if I could have directed or written a movie, it would've been like some sort of Apocalypto type that really helped me.

[01:00:00] It was a fun understand kind of the Mayan civilization and how they're the human element to them, too, as well as some of the historical impact. And I've been kind of obsessed with the idea of, like, romanticizing the past. So if I had to do anything, it would probably be some sort of like nineteen twenties, eighteen eighties, sort of like a golden age of cowboys, golden age of cinema, sort of a biopic, but actually showing that like life necessarily isn't as glamorous as you think it is. Eighty years ago. One hundred years ago. So I don't have a title already but it'll be something basically just about like breaking the ideas of romanticizing the past.

[01:00:42] That is something that I've been kind of obsessed with recently, particularly when do you think the first video to hit one million views on YouTube will happen? And what will it be about?

[01:00:55] I'll give it around two or three years when the younger generation starts expanding to other videos, but I'm pretty sure it's going to be some sort something in music. Those are the videos that get five hundred million views in like three months. That's only a matter of time for one of these kids who grew up on YouTube, start expanding towards the music space that they start listening to these artists that are solely on YouTube. So I'll give it two to three years and it's going to be a music video.

[01:01:24] What do you believe that other people think is crazy?

[01:01:29] The earth is flat now.

[01:01:34] I do believe in some sort of matrix idea of the world we we live in, like looking at the statistical significance of are we the first intelligent beings in the world, in the universe ever? It just doesn't make sense. What is a four hundred trillion to one? So I do believe there are other intelligent civilizations out there and that we are statistically more likely to be a computer simulation than we are to be not a computer simulation.

[01:02:03] So that's my crazy belief. And it's interesting. The simulation theory is that's a trip. That's right. Even if we are in a simulation. So what exactly? Yeah, it's like that still doesn't preclude us from living good lives and at least maxing out the CPU on the simulation for ourselves.

[01:02:21] That looks exactly like the way I see the world now is like it's sort of it's a it's a game like how many like how much skills can you gain. Like again, like is it maxing out the CPU? How far can we max out this CPU?

[01:02:33] Because at the end of the day everything is all some sort of algorithm or formula. We're all a slave to our own algorithms and formulas. Now it's just how do you optimize algorithms and formulas to serve the bigger world in yourself?

[01:02:44] What are you currently reading?

[01:02:46] I'm reading you've all known Harare's new graphic novel sapiens, that he has a graphic novel out that is good for kids and whatnot. Oh, yeah, it just came out maybe like two weeks ago. So it's fairly new. I've been reading that. I've been reading Breath or Breathe by James Nestore, the biography of Theodore Roosevelt. I cycle on a few different books and then The Tiger, I think it's by John Valiant. But that's been a really fun one. The Tiger is one of my favorite ones I've read in the past couple weeks.

[01:03:17] Sapience again, amazing. The book. I can't believe it's a graphic novel. Now, I've got to get that in. It's interesting. I was talking to my cousin yesterday and he was also reading the book Breathe. And it was interesting. He's saying that the way that we've evolved in terms of like chewing food has affected the way we I thought was really interesting.

[01:03:37] Yeah, it is interesting.

[01:03:38] Like the muscles you're using to develop, help develop your face have been lost because the foods have become softer and less like harder to chew and that they have actually masticating your food to help build the muscles in your face, which impact your breathing. It's it's wild.

[01:03:50] We talked about and you've got a pretty solid reading list on your Instagram. I wouldn't check it out like we've read a lot of the same books I thought was really fascinating. Is there any book that you'd recommend our audience to read?

[01:04:03] Sapiens by Evol Novarro like that is to me, it's such an easy book to read that helps you understand so much and it's also a lot of fun.

[01:04:11] So I've gifted that book to get the physical copy. I've heard that the audible copy is a little hard to listen to, but the physical copy is really well done. It's fun to read a lot of good pictures and it's just it's a fun experience. You learn a lot about the world you live in when it comes to fiction, the fiction of money, the fiction of basketball, and how we're all just crazy human beings who I believe in a fiction of the United States. It's not really real. It's just like a made up line kind of thing. So that's been something I was like eye opening for me. And it was it was a red pill for me. So I would recommend that book to anyone who has read it.

[01:04:48] Let's call it the subjective reality. Yeah.

[01:04:51] Yeah. And it's your subjective reality. Exactly. That we can all like if a dog sees another dog and thinks of as an enemy. But we're able to go down to the basketball court with random people and understand how to play basketball because we all agree on the rules. We do have to know each other. And that's what's unique to humans. And us as a species is we're able to do that where other no other animal can.

[01:05:12] What song do you have on Repeat Dazed and Confused by Led Zeppelin?

[01:05:16] I'm a big, big Led Zeppelin fan. And that song is just as just a masterpiece that I've just been listening to over and over again.

[01:05:22] And I'm also learning how to play a few of the solos. So it's just like I've been studying. It's such a good song. That's awesome. Played guitar. I do, yeah. They got their strat back there.

[01:05:32] Oh, nice. Nice. I'm going to open up a random question generator will do a few out of this. We'll see what we come up with here. All right. Pancakes or waffles.

[01:05:44] Pancakes. There's nothing better than like some sort of Denny's or IHOP. Like fluffy pancakes. Yeah.

[01:05:49] Aggrievement, pancakes, guys. Pizza and tacos, if you like. These are all about food.

[01:05:54] Yeah, I guess so. Pizza for sure. Like I'm a big I'm Italian, so maybe it's in my blood, but I just love a good slice of pizza even if two a.m. after a night at the bars. But it's a good time. I love pizza. What's on your bucket list this year? So I had a goal to travel to a few different states and a few different places, but that obviously got halted by covid. So that's been on my bucket list is to go out of the country. But I think I might be going to Columbia for New Year's, and that's been something I've been wanting to do. So stay tuned for that.

[01:06:23] What talent would you show off in a talent show?

[01:06:27] Oh, wow. I have a pretty good singing voice, so I would definitely try to sing something like some sort of like Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin style. I haven't really actually sung in public before, but I think it's something if I mustered up the courage, I'd be pretty good at it.

[01:06:40] So we need to get you on the guitar, sing a song and have you be the first video, Data trillion on YouTube that may come about that I'm about to once you go to dance, move.

[01:06:50] Oh man, I don't know has a name, but I it's kind of like a hybrid of the Duggie, so it looks really complex, but it's really simple to do and you kind of move around a little bit and it looks like it flows, but it's like a hybrid of the dugu.

[01:07:04] That just is something I just always do. And it works every time because it looks like you got a death when SQL you down to the last one here.

[01:07:12] Well, we already did this one. What do we do? What's your favorite book? Yes, Fabians Evans. Yeah, I write that one off. What are you interested in that most people haven't heard of?

[01:07:25] It always harkens back to some sort of history of some sort of lost, forgotten society. There's so much to learn from our ancestors that we just don't don't know about yet.

[01:07:35] So I'm always digging into different archeological articles and sort of what is new coming out. So there's so many different species of humans that are being discovered that it's crazy that there's literally at one point there was like six or seven different species of humans on the same planet. It's basically straight out of Lord of the Rings. So there was like us Homo sapiens and there is Neanderthals and more ruckuses, which is like a completely different subspecies of humans that we're all together at once. And just learning about that history and how we became those dominant animal and how there's so many questions like I just fascinates the hell out of me and understanding more and more of that just helps me understand where we are as humans in this life and how I can understand other people from a evolutionary perspective.

[01:08:20] There's a channel on YouTube. I'm not sure if you've heard of it. I can't pronounce the first part of it. It's like a German name, but it's called the in a nutshell. And it's all these really interesting animated videos. I think you really, really enjoy it. They did this video on the how the official calendar should really it shouldn't be the year 20, should be the year 12000 or something like that. Oh, I think you really enjoy that chase. How can people connect with you? Where can we find you online.

[01:08:43] Yeah. So if you want to connect with me on LinkedIn professionally, it's a LinkedIn dotcom for Chase Caprio on Instagram. Feel free to drop my DMS. It's actually a wise cap.

[01:08:56] Yeah, those are two places to reach me. You connect with me, send me a message. I'm always quick to respond. So familiar.

[01:09:03] I'll absolutely add those two show chase. Thank you so much for taking time out of schedule to come on the show today. I really appreciate having you here Harp.

[01:09:11] You're the man. Thank you so much for taking a chance on me to be on your show. This has been an awesome experience and you know, it might not be the greatest that podcasting, but I'm glad to get my start with people like you. So thank you.