HH59-19-11-21_mixdown.mp3-from OneDrive Harpreet: [00:00:08] What's up, everybody, welcome, welcome to the artist Data Science, happy hour. It is Friday, November 19th. This happy hour number fifty nine fifty nine weeks in a row now. We've been out here just having good conversations and chatting. Fifty nine weeks, I've been able to see these wonderful people hang out and chat. So thank you guys for continuing to come and hang out. Week after Harpreet: [00:00:30] Week, man Harpreet: [00:00:32] Who was then going for as long as we can. Hopefully, you guys got a chance to tune into the podcast that was released just today with Steve Cardinale. We talked about his book since I can't say the word, it's synaptic alchemy. I don't know what I was trying to say. Synoptic synaptic alchemy tripped up on that one, but yeah, it was a great episode. I loved his book, had a great conversation. Hopefully guys get a chance to tune into that. Got a number of wonderful episodes cued up for you in the coming weeks. Next week we're talking to Cruciale, Liza talking about NLP and philosophy. After that, we're talking to Harpreet: [00:01:07] Christian Harpreet: [00:01:08] Espinosa about the smartest person in the room. And then after that, Dana McKenzie, coauthor of the Book of Why. So it'll be a great conversation. So hopefully you guys get a chance to tune into that. And if you have not already, maybe you guys should do it after this happy hour session, or maybe even sometime this weekend, I did. A live stream with Professor David Spiegelhalter from Cambridge University was Harpreet: [00:01:30] Introduced to him Harpreet: [00:01:31] Through Marcus du Toit. So, Professor Du Toit, thank you so much for introducing us. That was a great conversation. We talked a lot about probability Harpreet: [00:01:38] Theory and Bayesian Harpreet: [00:01:40] Thinking and Bayesian reasoning Harpreet: [00:01:42] And got a little bit Harpreet: [00:01:43] Philosophical with it, and I really enjoy that conversation. I just I wish I could do like three hour long podcast episodes. That would be awesome. Just really explore an idea in depth. Shout out to everybody in the room. We got Eric Sims, Jennifer, Harpreet: [00:01:57] Nadine, Monica, Harpreet: [00:01:58] Christian Russell, and [00:02:00] he is in the building as well. Thank you guys for coming and hanging out. Shout out to Harpreet: [00:02:05] Christian, Harpreet: [00:02:05] Who just landed an awesome, awesome job, Christian. Talk to us about this new role you got. Speaker3: [00:02:11] Yeah, appreciate it. Thanks. Yeah. So I was on my kind of long term roadmap to get into product and Data specifically and came a lot sooner than I was prepared for. But Anaconda scooped me up there growing right now. So anybody in the product and Data space check them out. We were hiring for a lot of roles. We landed a pretty big funding round last year or within the past year. Harpreet: [00:02:33] And so they're Speaker3: [00:02:33] Scaling up a lot of new stuff on the horizon. So I'm specifically going to be working with the product and product marketing teams. So you might see some, some stuff. I probably already have seen some stuff for me on that, and it's a chance for me to kind of lean in even further to the Data community and make sure I'm hearing the stuff that's important to y'all and that our products in Anaconda are reflecting that there should be a good time. Harpreet: [00:02:55] So talk to us about what what that like role. First of all, I guess what that what was the interview process like for product in Data role, right? Because I feel like that's a blend of. I mean, obviously a multiple different skill sets. Was it heavy on Data size? Was the heavy on product like how do you think about product? Harpreet: [00:03:13] I guess that should be the Harpreet: [00:03:14] Follow up question after that. Speaker3: [00:03:16] So my role is a hybrid and it's kind of interesting product marketing specifically like you sit between obviously product management and brand marketing. And in our case, since we're in a condo, are also kind of you have a Venn diagram there that includes data scientists. Those are our customers and those are also people that are in the company. So my interview was definitely not technical. It was definitely more weighted towards, let's say, product management and business side. A lot of product marketing is going to be doing is like segmentation, making sure that the things that we're building are matched up to the right people that want them. You've got the right stories in place internally and for your customers, right? So the interview focused on a lot of that stuff, making sure that and really it was what I was doing for the smaller company that I was working before. So it's really just kind of telling my stories of things that we had done. [00:04:00] And some of my favorite authors, Marty Cagan, Theresa Torres, the books that they've written have been super helpful for me. I could take things straight off of their pages and put them in practice, and doing that really helped me to level up some of the operations we were doing in our company, but also come away with stories that I could use in the interview. And so it didn't hurt that it was a terrific culture fit. I don't know if you can find a better fit or a better culture, I would say, than what's there at Anaconda. So it just all the stars aligned. And for me specifically, but the role itself, I think in the interview process itself was pretty. There's like five rounds, so there's a lot of rounds. But I think that's because of the culture. The thing that I mentioned, you want to make sure it's still a relatively small company, and every person you bring in is a big piece of the culture, right? So you had to be prepared for a lot of a lot of talking with a lot of different people. But it was great overall. Harpreet: [00:04:53] It's awesome. Harpreet: [00:04:54] Yeah, it definitely sounds like a very, very interesting role. Harpreet: [00:04:56] If you can, please do Harpreet: [00:04:58] Link those books that you had mentioned. I love to check those out. I mean, kind of. Yeah, definitely sounds very similar to the role that that I do at Comet, where it's Harpreet: [00:05:07] Just kind of. Harpreet: [00:05:08] Creating technical marketing type of materials and creating awesome projects and doing cool things with the platform, by the way, comets shout out to Comet Jeffs was Harpreet: [00:05:16] Announced Harpreet: [00:05:18] Yesterday. 50 million in funding Series B funding from OpenView and a number of other partners involved with that. So huge shout out to Harpreet: [00:05:27] Comet, you Harpreet: [00:05:28] Know, Gideon and Nimrod and Nico and Harpreet: [00:05:34] Dhruv and you know, everybody Harpreet: [00:05:36] Behind the scenes doing all the amazing work that got them to that place. So I'm excited to be part of the team at this juncture and excited to see what's going to be happening with us in the future. I'm excited to Harpreet: [00:05:47] Continue to help Harpreet: [00:05:48] That brand grow and Harpreet: [00:05:50] Do his thing. So huge. Harpreet: [00:05:52] Congrats to Comet. So check it out if you guys got questions on LinkedIn, if you got questions on YouTube or whatever it is that you are joining us from, please do [00:06:00] let us know right there in the chats with your questions are super happy to take your questions on. Shout out to Rick. I haven't seen Rick in very long time. Good to see you again, Rick. It's been quite some time to get the happy here, Rick from a community member from Dave's nice dream job. So, yeah, any questions anybody want to kick us off with with a question on any topic whatsoever? Please do let me know otherwise I can Speaker4: [00:06:26] Come up with so I may have. I may have. Harpreet: [00:06:29] This may be a dumb Speaker4: [00:06:30] Question, but I was curious about it. So I have been, you know, I hear about metaverse stuff as much as anyone else, right? And I wrestled ears perk up when we start talking about that. So one of the things I was just kind of thinking about is I really like virtual reality and stuff already, and I was curious trying to think forward into what kind of data would we track in the metaverse that we don't already track here? Because probably because we can't track it or something. And to what? To what benefit? Because I mean, I Harpreet: [00:07:08] Get it in all Speaker4: [00:07:09] Electronic world, you can track the number of like kilometers that your eyelids travel in a day from blinking if you want to. But like, there's really like no use to that. So like what kind of thoughts forward looking do you have thinking about what we would track and what kind of new thing it might open up as an opportunity, whether it's business or otherwise? Harpreet: [00:07:32] I think it would be everything that we cannot track in the real world would be tracked there because imagine what the Metaverse is supposed to be like, it's supposed to be this place that you can go to and live virtually. So if they're using a particular company's platform to access the Metaverse, I'm sure they're going to track all the hangouts that you go to, all the people that you interact with and things like that just to try to tell you more cool things. But let's [00:08:00] go to a wrestle and see a wrestler. I say, go for it. Speaker5: [00:08:04] Yeah, I've got some maybe off kilter opinions on this. So whilst the metaverse is going to be big for user centric interactivity, I think it's going to be very good for some big installations and, you know, services underground for etc. So we've got a, let's call it, a build model for want of a better definition. So we have a fully 3D Harpreet: [00:08:32] Modeled Speaker5: [00:08:34] Underground plan of services, say electrical cables, water supply, gas supply, everything that goes under the ground. And it's it's got a date and point to something that's above ground. Okay, that type of the metaverse will allow people to go through and survey what's beneath the ground without having to dig up the ground, you know, so I'm sure this happens in in the states and Canada, as well as it does in the UK here. Harpreet: [00:08:59] You know, you Speaker5: [00:09:00] Have roadworks, you know, disrupts traffic because someone has to dig up the road to do work, and that might be essential work. Obviously, there's no getting around that. But if it's just discovery work and you don't need to do it, that could save a lot of time. So that kind of angle of the metaverse is connected Data topography of of services and everything that we can't see without having to dig up the ground. I think that could be very useful, save a lot of time and reduce the the overall time that essential maintenance takes should it be necessary. Speaker4: [00:09:34] If that kind of the concept of a digital twin, because I think what you know, what I'm imagining is, you know, you it go to the store and you buy a jetpack and you can fly around, right? Obviously not bound by the laws of physics here, but what sounds like what you're talking about is having the digital version of a physical, physical item as well kind of thing. Ok. Speaker5: [00:09:55] Yeah. Yeah, I think that does cross this entirely. I mean, a digital twin [00:10:00] to be very specific would be more like, say, if a building was built in London here and it was built by an organization that had multiple bases across the globe. And so there was there was a there was an office satellite office over in the states and they wanted to be able to go in and have a walk around that facility that was being built. They go into a room with VR, air and other interactive media and literally walk around it at the same time as people are physically walking around it. And the original location. So when digital twins are spoken about, at least in my opinion, that's the the the specific description of it. But you mentioned there of the underground stuff. I think it's exactly the same thing, but that's kind of less specific and more a big network of Harpreet: [00:10:53] Stuff that could Speaker5: [00:10:54] Be so rather than being a digital twin, it's kind of a digital representation of it because it's bigger than a single installation. I mean, I'm talking about something that could be spanning miles and miles of installation, you know, crossing counties, countries, even. So, that type of thing a very specific element of the metaverse, certainly not all it's good for. I'm sure there'll be plenty of people wanting to strap on a jetpack and seeing where they can fly. But, you know, use it to to the to the greatest of its advantages. Harpreet: [00:11:27] That's what I think the best Speaker5: [00:11:29] Benefits are going to come from. Harpreet: [00:11:31] Couple of comments coming here from Christian says Eric's question has me curious what types of behavioral Harpreet: [00:11:38] Analytics will be made Harpreet: [00:11:39] Possible by the metaverse interactions, which are not available currently? Yeah, we'll go to coast up next. But Eric doesn't say if you got Amazon Prime, check out the show called The Feed, Harpreet: [00:11:50] And I think that is Harpreet: [00:11:52] Taking the idea of the Metaverse to its logical conclusion. And it's super, super fascinating Harpreet: [00:11:58] What that Harpreet: [00:11:58] Envisions, but to [00:12:00] go for it. Speaker6: [00:12:01] So there's two sides to the whole digital twin side of things. I mean, you're absolutely right, Russell. There's the there's the human social interaction side of it where you're representing yourself digitally. Harpreet: [00:12:14] But there's this Speaker6: [00:12:15] Entire side of digital twinning that the public. Everyday human doesn't actually ever see there's already significant investment going on in defense robotics specifically. So my previous job for the last 18 Harpreet: [00:12:30] Months, we were involved in Speaker6: [00:12:31] A number of defense projects with the Australian Defense Force looking at how how can you make a realistic representation of what's going on before actually getting a robot in the air or on the ground underwater, right? A lot of the time, these areas are impossible to really navigate, right? So there's a big investment not just from the Australian Defense Force, but across the military complex from across the world looking at this whole digital twin strategy. So there's that's kind of a split off side of it. The metaverse kind of digital twin verse, I think will be more commercial centric. So you're kind of seeing this is like a second ripple of that whole idea of digital Harpreet: [00:13:14] Twins, right? Speaker6: [00:13:17] I feel like it might be a little bit more commercially focused than necessarily like some of the complications that you would run into when you're looking at underground mining, et cetera, that you're trying to explore areas that you can't really get a good look Harpreet: [00:13:32] Into, right? Speaker6: [00:13:33] As much as ground penetrating sonar is going to give you, you know, x amount of visibility underneath to recreate what would happen. It takes many, many, many iterations of being able to approximate what that looks like. So one of the things we were doing was approximating sea floor without having seen it at a high Harpreet: [00:13:53] Resolution before, right? Speaker6: [00:13:55] How do you approximate a high resolution seafloor with only a low resolution map? And what [00:14:00] I mean is how do you go from three meters Harpreet: [00:14:02] To three centimeters? Speaker6: [00:14:04] Right? Recreating sonar images at that level? And the problem that you will very quickly run into in a simulation space from there is very much this Harpreet: [00:14:15] All this idea that simulations Speaker6: [00:14:16] Are Harpreet: [00:14:16] Always perfect, right? Speaker6: [00:14:18] They're always going to be solvable by the robot that you've got in there and you're never actually going to hit that true world real world test case. Right. So from a commercial standpoint, I think there are still a number of significant real world barriers there. But I think the metaverse Harpreet: [00:14:38] Individual human digital twinning Speaker6: [00:14:40] Where you're able to track interactions, where you're able to track, you know, behavioral patterns, I think that's going to be a lot more accessible because there's going to be real world data and there's going to be so many more people contributing to that data. For example, for 100 people to contribute their social interactions, we've been doing that for 10 years, right? Whereas to get a three meter like three meter resolution map of an underwater section of something, it'll cost you, you know, a quarter of a million dollars to run an expedition to run a scanner along the ground. Right. So there is this fundamental blocker within that the I guess, the robotics or the like, the commercial side of exploration and, you know, field robotics side of it. But I guess that's also something that will get solved at time. It's just a question of how much investment goes into it and how long that takes. Harpreet: [00:15:36] I'm curious in the metaverse are people like operating under pseudonyms like, you know what I mean? Like, is it kind of like Reddit where everybody can be a dickhead because we're hiding behind a screen name? Harpreet: [00:15:48] How does this work? Speaker4: [00:15:49] I mean, Speaker6: [00:15:49] I can't imagine that anonymity has always been the, you know, the go to location for online bullying and for all sorts of harassment [00:16:00] and issues, right? So anonymity will continue to be that shield, irrespective of whether it's on social media or whether it's on like a metaverse or anything else, right? Speaker4: [00:16:10] Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. I would definitely agree with that. I was just talking to my wife about that a couple of days ago because I get very like pie in the sky. Super cool. I want my jet pack for like an immersive metaverse rather than Harpreet: [00:16:25] A rather than a Speaker4: [00:16:27] Very business oriented metaverse that is about cables and wires and things like that, which obviously it all has its place. But like the thing that I can't, the thing that I have no idea how we're going to fix, and I highly doubt that we're going to do a very good job in the first few tries of it is fixing the harassment of a metaverse because like, I mean, I have VR and people are jerks and VR, right? And it's like, what you've done is in the real world, if you get in my face and you irritate me enough, like, you know, because we are like hierarchical mammals and we defend our territory, if you make me mad enough, I'll just punch you in the nose, right? And sure, there are laws and things like that, but I have a mechanism to show you that I'm not going to take your crap for one second longer if I feel so inclined to do so. But in the metaverse or in any electronic world now, suddenly you've given all the tools to those who would abuse them and removed the tools from those who need them to defend themselves. And so like, it's like we don't have a. We don't have a solution for that in a flat screen world, let alone in a metaverse world, whatever that looks like, right? And so I worry about that, even just like for the psychological and sociological well-being of citizens of the metaverse or whatever, you know, mediapersons. So that's, I think, definitely an important aspect of it. And because I think most people are interested in the I think your average Joe is interested [00:18:00] in flying around the metaverse and less so in the more like, I guess, important and impactful things that Russell and Costa are talking about. So it's definitely interesting you bring that up because Speaker6: [00:18:12] That's the thing, right, Eric? Like, we haven't solved that. It's not the first time we've seen the harassment thing. Take online platforms, whether it's social media, whether it's on it, we've seen it on Bebo, Facebook, MySpace, we means we've seen it in, you know, you jump on a game of Call of Duty online and you jump on FIFA online, right? It's just it's known this kind of thing. Harpreet: [00:18:33] Right. Speaker6: [00:18:33] And it's not. It's definitely something that we haven't solved. We're just shifting the problem to a slightly different digital interaction space, right? So I'd almost argue that I'd be inherently more interested in the commercial applications of a digital twin world. You know, in an immersive digital twin world than in, say, the social ones, because there just might be more net positive out Speaker4: [00:18:57] Of that in some ways. Yeah, that makes sense. Speaker5: [00:19:00] Yeah, I'd agree with with both of you, although I think that the the background or the the what's the word I'm looking for the the foundation upon which the Metaverse will be Harpreet: [00:19:14] Built, hopefully Speaker5: [00:19:15] Should mean that everybody that enters it and has a presence in it has to go through some official registration. So even if it is a non authentic representation of their human form, either by name or look or whatever it is, it can be traced back to them. But what's probably more interesting for most of the people on the call here is if the metaverse is being built and operated within an environment that is associated with Harpreet: [00:19:42] Ai, can the model be there Speaker5: [00:19:45] And kind of have an open ear to listen to all of the chatter and pick up keywords that Harpreet: [00:19:50] Are Speaker5: [00:19:52] Representative of harassment, bullying and, Harpreet: [00:19:55] You know, put a put a Speaker5: [00:19:57] Put a mark against a person, maybe not just for the one word, but [00:20:00] it is consistent stuff on them. Highlight them for review. It goes to a panel for review and if they are validated as being behaving poorly, they're rejected or they're warned or it goes through some kind of mechanism. So I think that would be a really interesting view for that. And secondly, also, I've seen a couple of Rick's comments here, and he said it could be interesting for buskers working remotely, which sounds amazing. But then that also makes me think of there could be an interaction here in the metaverse for NFT and blockchain. You know, say a busker wants to play an instrument, wants to play a limited instrument. So say, you know, a classic Les Paul custom or something like that? Les Paul might issue it as an NFT, and this basket can be seen playing it in the metaverse. Harpreet: [00:20:51] Things of that nature. Speaker5: [00:20:52] You know, Harpreet: [00:20:53] There's this Speaker5: [00:20:54] Huge scope for individualization and therefore commercialization in the metaverse. And if it's done properly, I think it's all going to need to use NFT. Harpreet: [00:21:07] Yeah, I mean, that'd be interesting to think about like, you know, you know, apparently Ed Sheeran used to be singing on the corner with his guitar and before he got famous, right? So imagine somebody who gets famous busking on the Metaverse, right? That could be an NFT that moment when he is just on or she was just on the corner Harpreet: [00:21:25] Of a street in the Harpreet: [00:21:26] Metaverse, doing their thing before they got famous. Speaker6: [00:21:29] So is this the genuine first like use of a blockchain or NFT technology for verification? Like, I mean, because as much as we've used verification in the past and controls like that, like look at dating apps, for example. Being able to verify and trace me back to who I am on a dating app doesn't stop me inherently from engaging in harassment, right? We've heard that time and time again, and though it's been reported, people have been kicked off it, they've found their way back on that like stalkers. Behavior [00:22:00] still continues on dating apps today. Right. And it's Harpreet: [00:22:04] Like, Speaker6: [00:22:04] I don't know whether it's just being able to trace it back to that person is inherently enough of a deterrent to that kind of thing. Right. So there might be significant other changes that have to happen, which like you are saying, like if if you're talking about a bot reading into it, then then reading into every chat or listening into every interaction, then you're talking about like, I mean, I don't know about most countries, but you're talking about at least in the USA, you'd see a lot of pushback on freedom of speech and you'd see all those things right. Harpreet: [00:22:34] So like, Speaker6: [00:22:36] We end up opening up the same kind of worms that we have in the real world just in a slightly different world. Right. So like the buscar example is fantastic. Now that's it's basically what Harpreet: [00:22:45] We've seen the maturity Speaker6: [00:22:47] Of YouTube influencers do now for a long time. Youtube is this free world to just upload whatever you want. But then in the last few years, we've seen influencers really come along and start to take the individualization of YouTube and package that and actually monetize that and turn that into, you know, exactly what you're saying, that business opportunity that exists from the individual individualization of it, that kind of thing you can definitely still see within a metaverse, and that would be easy to monitor. It would be easy to monetize, and it's potentially still very positive for the world, right? Harpreet: [00:23:19] There's a publication on Medium called Building the Metaverse. John Randolph, or laid off, rather is a Harp contributor there, and he posted something called the evolution of the creator economy. So I posted a link to that, their short six minute read. But he just talks about these three different types of eras pioneer era engineering era creator era. I'm interested to see where this list goes up. Just kind of a newbie question here. How do you access the metaverse, right? Is it only going to be like its does each like, is it going to be like the internet where I just, you know, have different pathways to get on to the internet? Is there one metaverse? Is it only Facebook's metaverse? Like, how does this shit work? Speaker5: [00:23:58] Yeah, that's also another interesting question. [00:24:00] So you go ahead. Speaker4: [00:24:02] I'll catch up. I was going to take one stab at a thing, and I think I've read. And so like in order to be a metaverse, it has to be cross-platform. So like, Facebook can't have a metaverse, right? Facebook can have a planet or a galaxy right inside a larger metaverse. And in order to have a true metaverse, I need to be able to leave the Facebook Metaverse and go to the artists of data science metaverse seamlessly. I have to be able to take my identity, my avatar, my name, my money, everything with me, just like as if I was going to get on an airplane, take my passport and go to a different country or something like that. My identity would would follow me, right? And so. And so that I think that, to me, sounds like I'm actually super like pro that because I like the idea of having like I like, I like having a unified identity. I like being me and I don't necessarily want to try and manage like being one character here and some other character here and being a semi normal person like character here and all of that. And that's actually kind of what you see in like Ready Player One, right? Which is shaped a lot of what we see today in virtual reality. I think that's a key hallmark of the Metaverse is has to be seamless transition between platforms. Yeah, yeah. I like the sound of that. Speaker5: [00:25:26] And I do agree with that as well. And kind of tying together what you were saying there, Eric, and what Christoph was saying earlier. I'm seeing an evolution of NAFTA here where we kind of reverse the left and when you know, every individual is born on the planet and they get an identity, you know, rather than just being given a passport or an identity card, they are given a unique NFT that will stay with them for the rest of their life. And then everything they purchase electronically has its own NFT that's tied back to their own, and it only transfers away from them if [00:26:00] they traded away somewhere else and buy that kind Harpreet: [00:26:02] Of forward and Speaker5: [00:26:04] Back NFT universe. If there was poor behavior, you could always trace back what it was through to the current owning NFT, which equates to a single individual somewhere in the in the physical world. I'm speaking to you guys all together now that just that's just kind of clicked for me, then I think that's the best way that the whole system ology of this metaverse is going to work. Every single person has their own unique NFT, and then every item has an NFT and you join them together within the metaverse. Speaker6: [00:26:39] What if? What if you could just kind of riffing off that, Russell? What if you could expand that to its real world users? Okay, so today, what's the biggest issue with international travel? It's ensuring that the people who are traveling are vaccinated, right? So each country has come up with this QR code and they've got their own PDFs. They've got their own ways of verifying their own ways of communicating that. And countries have basically settled on this QR code that goes that interacts with databases. But then each country has to set up that network. But when you have an NFT system like that, you can actually verify all of those things, potentially in a much more connected manner. Right. It seems like just the next kind of step evolution to that, and you can do a lot of things. Harpreet: [00:27:24] I mean, what Speaker6: [00:27:25] Time back to this metaverse, right? What if you could map the social interactions and like, we don't have a fine grained, real world physical social interaction map just yet? Right? What if you could actually map and simulate that full spread of something like COVID 19? Right? That's the kind of thing that really intrigues me in this whole thing. And I think to a point, what Rick mentioned in the comments Harpreet: [00:27:50] Is Speaker6: [00:27:51] In the chat story is Harpreet: [00:27:53] Nvidia's Speaker6: [00:27:53] Omni omni Omniverse. What they're looking at is how can you get? Many, many, many [00:28:00] different connected creators and be able to create virtual reality areas, whether that's for gaming, whether that's for robotics. The proposal I've seen in robotics is how me and teams from around the world can come together and build this simulated reality. It. And we can test it in its hundreds Harpreet: [00:28:20] Behind Greg and Greg Son here, hi. What's your name, kid? No. Noah, nice to meet you. Nice to thank you. How are you? I'm good, thank you. Good. But my my my baby is hanging out with this, too. He's just sleeping right now. He's he's hanging up, he's he's sleeping. So. Yeah, no, it's all good, man. Good to see you. Are you still in San Francisco? Speaker3: [00:28:54] No, no, no. I'm back home, so stay with the little one today. Harpreet: [00:28:58] Awesome, man. That's awesome. Sorry, man. Yeah, I'll get Ben feel free to hop in on on any questions or any topics, or let us know if you got any questions or anywhere you want to take the topic. Let us know. Right now we're just talking Harpreet: [00:29:12] About NFTs, Harpreet: [00:29:13] The metaverse. I've got all sorts of questions going on about this metaverse thing, man. Like I. I mean, OK, let's think about. The YouTube algorithm has a hate speech detection algorithm, right? So there's like some type of policing that happens when you're being, you know, a big head on on YouTube. If these type of things exist in the Harpreet: [00:29:38] Metaverse, right, you have these Harpreet: [00:29:39] Cyber police type of entities. What would that look like, ma'am, like how would we? Yeah. I'm just curious, any thoughts on that, anybody have any ideas on that, I'm just curious where that where that goes. Speaker5: [00:29:54] I think I think we can say fairly confidently, Harp that what it should look like [00:30:00] is not Demolition Man. Does anybody remember that movie from the 90s? You know this? Yeah, yeah. But this utopian thing, you know where people are speaking and they say a curse word and they get given a citation like one credit every time they say something and you know, everybody's just being monitored everywhere. So I mean, that was like early 90s, if I remember. So it was quite an immature assessment of the future at that stage, but it's good material for us of what not to do. I think. Harpreet: [00:30:29] Session, I saw you, I needed there, if you want to jump in. I go for it, recreation, if you want to jump in there, go for it. Speaker3: [00:30:39] You had to strike that started, so my questions out of my mind now. Harpreet: [00:30:42] Ok, no, no reason. Go for it. Speaker6: [00:30:44] Yeah, I mean, like that, that kind of policing in a sense, that would be very, very strange. This is this is weird philosophy, right about humanity. We don't do things because it's right. We do things because the fabric Harpreet: [00:30:59] Of the social contract Speaker6: [00:31:00] That we have is mutually beneficial. Right. If there's this entire theory in psychology that a lot of the things that we do because they're morally correct, there is only because we're in the visibility of the rest of the world. Take, for example, Australia's facing that a little bit right now in the public eye is the cricket captain. I know cricket's probably not the biggest topic out in the states, Harpreet: [00:31:25] But it's a Speaker6: [00:31:26] Sport. It's kind of like baseball. And basically the captain of the Australian team, he's stepped down yesterday because of a lewd messaging scandal right from like three or four years ago. Now, had that not surfaced publicly, he's been the captain for the last three years. It's only now that it's in the public eye he's standing up to, Oh, this is what the Australian captain should live up to this standard. Harpreet: [00:31:52] Right. Speaker6: [00:31:52] So there is, I'm not. I'm not picking on him. Like, you know, all things considered at the recent Australian captaincy has been Harpreet: [00:31:58] One of the, you know, one [00:32:00] Speaker6: [00:32:00] Of the better ones from a moral standpoint. But like all things said and done, there is some element of truth to that philosophy. So if we're in a world where you know, like Demolition Man, where everything is watched, everything is controlled. Would we actually be humans anymore? At a philosophical level. Harpreet: [00:32:19] I mean, that's a deep question, man. Would we be in the metaverse? Speaker6: [00:32:24] I don't know, and beyond that, if we were forced to do the right thing all the time and we weren't given the choice to do the wrong thing, how do we know the difference between good if between if we're actually inherently good or we're just forced to be good? It's what makes us good is having the right to be bad and choosing not to. Harpreet: [00:32:44] Well, I mean, what if good or bad doesn't exist? It's all become subjective. So like you mentioned, it's all about the rules or the frameworks or axioms that we're operating under, right? Harpreet: [00:32:53] And what's and what's right today, like, I think, Speaker6: [00:32:57] What's his name? Jimmy Carr, the the British comedian? There's something he said that was quite quite profound. The joke that cancels him has already been said. Harpreet: [00:33:09] Yeah, yeah. Speaker6: [00:33:10] Absolutely right. This is an interesting twist to what is morality, and all of that blurs away. Harpreet: [00:33:16] If there's this Speaker6: [00:33:17] False sense of morality. Harpreet: [00:33:19] Anybody want to jump in on this or provide some insight because this is an interesting direction. I. Speaker5: [00:33:26] I think that is quite interesting, and I think people that have malicious or malevolent intent can try to engineer that to their benefit or to achieve their ends. So say if someone had an agenda against the Aussie cricket captain there, they've been rifling through his history for maybe six months to find something that they can then surface publicly. That would have the achieved result. And you know, nobody is going Harpreet: [00:33:56] To be perfect. Speaker5: [00:33:57] Everybody, including probably everyone on this call now, [00:34:00] will have done something in their past that they regret now Harpreet: [00:34:04] With Speaker5: [00:34:05] The with the view of a current assessment of morals and ethics. And sometimes that simply because the world has changed and everybody's matured. Sometimes it's because, you know, you've actually grown into a different person and it probably wasn't great at the time and you now regret doing it. Either way, you know, if you're a much better person now and you've moved beyond that, I kind of don't think you should be punished for it. And now you should be judged on the person you are now rather than something you did. Certainly, if you're talking about three or four or five years ago, Harpreet: [00:34:36] Unless it's, you know, an Speaker5: [00:34:38] Absolutely horrendous crime. I mean, I say it's murder or something like that, you know, perhaps that's a different kettle of fish, but if it's, you know, tweeting something that's a little bit offensive and someone puts that in in the papers and say, Look, this wasn't quite good or, you know, blackface has been something that's been big press for some high profile people. At the time, it's different, and I don't mean to support it or condone it, but. Assess it, sorry, objectively rather than subjectively, and I think it's very difficult to do those things subjectively because they're so emotive, especially if it's something that's to do with race or gender or any discrimination whatsoever. If it can be viewed through the magnifying glass of some discrimination in the modern age, it's very unlikely to Harpreet: [00:35:25] Be Speaker5: [00:35:27] Accepted that you know you wouldn't do exactly the same thing now because it's such an emotive subject, you know? Speaker6: [00:35:34] I mean, what's that? What's that age old saying? Harpreet: [00:35:36] I can't remember who the author of this is. I used to know, but Speaker6: [00:35:39] The past is a different country. They do things differently there. And I think that speaks volumes to a lot of these topics that we're talking about right now. And I mean, Eric is spot on statute of limitations exists Harpreet: [00:35:50] Within the Speaker6: [00:35:51] Within the realm of the legal system that we have in the real world. But when we talk about a digital public world, all of [00:36:00] that melts away in the High Court of public vision. Right. There's there's a lot of accounts of this, and I'm not saying that any of those accounts will be wrong or rightly so. It's not not making a judgment call that I'm just saying that the rules change entirely. Harpreet: [00:36:15] That idea of having Speaker6: [00:36:16] The ability to change as a person. If you're tracked through everything you want to do, if you're given an Harpreet: [00:36:21] Nft of the day you're born, Speaker6: [00:36:22] Russell, does that kind of go against the ability to change as a person as well then? Harpreet: [00:36:28] I mean, it's not like you're you, you know, your personalities, your traits, you know, your thoughts and all that is etched into PhD. Harpreet: [00:36:36] I think that Harpreet: [00:36:38] That's not possible, right? It would be more, I don't know, man, this is Speaker6: [00:36:43] But you still could be traced back to it and judged for it, Harpreet: [00:36:47] Right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Speaker5: [00:36:48] I'd say I don't think it'll it'll stop you being able to change and mature, but it'll provide a ledger of your journey of maturation. So if anyone comes to you and says, Oh, well, you said this kind of thing, you know, five years ago, it's a very misogynistic you probably don't have a great view of women. Harpreet: [00:37:07] You could you could Speaker5: [00:37:08] Go back to your NFT ledger and say, Yeah, you know, I can't deny having said that, but look what I've done since that's been completely antipathy Harpreet: [00:37:17] To that, you know? Speaker5: [00:37:18] And you know, I'm a different person to what I was there, and this is how I can prove it rather than just hyperbole. You know, Harpreet: [00:37:26] They used to tell me that. Yeah, definitely go for it. Speaker3: [00:37:29] But what I was going to say, the idea of Web 3.0 is to have a decentralized everything, right? So kind of like power to the people, literally. And if you have limitations in this physical world, my concerns are that some of those limitations may disappear because the many voted so. So government government entities will have a hard time intervening in the sense to dictate what needs to happen on the on the on the cyber space, [00:38:00] you know, making sure to control abusive behaviors, et cetera, et cetera, or enforce certain tax requirements, et cetera, et cetera. So and we're going to continue to fight that. You you'll see that people will be will have the capability of getting different personality, different behaviors and things like that. So it's something that I think most people don't know how things will play out. And that's probably why I think government or big governments are kind of cringing today to figure out what what's going to happen. I mean, look at what just happened yesterday. Yesterday, there's this group called Constitutional Dao. I don't know if you guys heard that. So they try to take a bet to purchase one of the 13 copies of the US Constitution. They won, but they were able to get twenty thousand seven hundred people together. Each of them put actually out at the No. I'm working on my own, my notebook here. So two hundred dollars. Two hundred six dollars. Exactly. Harpreet: [00:39:12] Well, what happened to Greg? Greg had had disappeared into the metaverse void for him to get back. Yeah. I mean, it's really interesting topic, I think I would definitely spend more time researching Web 3.0 and and the metaphor is just to get more intelligent about it. I don't know what's what's guys guy's levels of understanding in general, the rest of the group here when it comes to this stuff, is it just something you've heard about in passing Harpreet: [00:39:39] Or you actively Harpreet: [00:39:40] Studying it just just out of curiosity? Let me know. Give me a thumbs up if there's something that you're actively interested in actively researching and studying. Yeah. Greg is very. Speaker3: [00:39:56] Mike, so my laptop died. Sorry. That's what I get for working [00:40:00] upstairs. Yeah. So yeah, yeah. To you, to your point, they raise like forty one million dollars and the the other bidder that was, you know, I guess, counterfeiting, you know, eventually won. But what they wanted to do is use ether to purchase. That's that constitutional paperwork and rent it to a museum like the Smithsonian or something like that. And maybe the Smithsonian would pay that group some fees. And and you know, and maybe whoever has an off season to this deal would be remunerated as some sort of. But it's kind of like the idea behind the people getting back, their power, their freedom and things. And that's why I think three point zero is trying to achieve with all these things. So it's it's an interesting space to live to be. When you think about how a such a small group of people was able to come up with forty one million dollars. Think about other things that could be done in terms of how fast they can raise money for other causes. So I'm quite interested to see how these things are happen over the next couple of years where the, you know, the boundaries will be eliminated, right? So you could just spend a couple of bucks or a fraction of a dollar to a country that doesn't necessarily have the infrastructure or physical infrastructures in, allow them to create do sales with each other with low transaction fees. And that's that's what we're trying to do. A lot of countries, for example, Venezuela or what is the other one? Something in Latin America rely on bitcoin to create [00:42:00] transactions and earn livings at very low transaction fee with the lightning feature that they have. So it's it's crazy what's happening, and I'm just curious to see more. Harpreet: [00:42:15] Yeah, I mean, Harpreet: [00:42:16] Could the metaverse and could blockchain be the answer to immortality? Let's say your thoughts are blockchain ledger your consciousness as blockchain ledger? Can you upload that into this metaverse and live forever? I mean, the it's possible, right? I mean it. If you take it to that conclusion, I'm just curious what people think about that. Speaker3: [00:42:39] Oh, by that, by that token, I guess Marcus Aurelius and those folks have already achieved that right there. There's a very journalist who lives today, his thoughts impact our lives, but him as a person is no longer around to witness that. So there is some sort of extension of that. Yeah. Yeah. Harpreet: [00:42:58] They're talking about when her brain in a jar. I'm just going to hang out in the metaverse all the time. Yeah, same here. But yeah, definitely something I'm going to spend more time researching and thinking about. In other news, GPT three is open for all without a wait list. Harpreet: [00:43:16] I'm excited about that. I've never got a chance to play with it. Harpreet: [00:43:19] I've been on the wait list for Harp ever. So now glad I don't have to to to play that anymore. Greg, thanks for hanging out, man. Have any of you guys got a chance to play with GPT three or do anything with it whatsoever? I'm probably going to try to see if there's an integration with Comet that Harpreet: [00:43:39] We can work Harpreet: [00:43:40] With and create content around Harpreet: [00:43:42] That, but Harpreet: [00:43:43] I'm just curious if anybody has had a chance to play with it. Speaker5: [00:43:47] Yeah, I've been a little bit with it. For some, I'm involved with using the engine to try and generate human equivalent syntax and [00:44:00] and text bodies to summarize long form written content and send it out automatically Harpreet: [00:44:07] As, say, weekly Speaker5: [00:44:08] Updates. You know, just just just bytes. It was it was interesting. I've been meaning to post about it for a while, actually, because the the whole system is very impressive. But has it has its gaps as well, you know, it's kind of like an early school pupil, you know, it's really excelling in some areas, but there's a lot of gaps there. And if you know which areas to look at for the gaps, you can really make those gaps very noticeable. But it's a it's an impressive thing. It's just not a completely. It's just not a complete entity at the moment. Meets it needs a bit more work needs, needs to be spread out. But at some point, I'll probably Harpreet: [00:44:49] Post a bit Speaker5: [00:44:50] About it. And some of the things that I just ask did some very simple questions for things that don't make logical sense to something that thinks completely logically has that you would need to. I mean, a child probably could answer this question, but you need to. You need to think kind of laterally and a little bit creatively to answer it. And the GPT three, some three system doesn't have the capability to do that as well as a human at the moment. Harpreet: [00:45:18] Yeah. I mean, except you Harpreet: [00:45:19] Can Harpreet: [00:45:20] Have GPT three spit out a bunch of stuff at the end of the day, it's still going to be a human who has to sift through that and pick out the comprehensible bits of that posted Link right here in the chat and other medium publication called Data different fiction. And people are Harpreet: [00:45:33] Like publishing like fiction Harpreet: [00:45:35] From GPT three. It's worth checking out. So shout out to a redux is in the building, never seen you here before, so welcome, Eric. If you have a question, let me know. How's it going? Yeah, questions, comments. Let me know, guys, we've been we've been deep into the metaverse today. It looks like I do my homework of the Metaverse so I can get more smart about this [00:46:00] because it's coming, my friends. Any questions or comments coming in from LinkedIn or YouTube? Harpreet: [00:46:06] Let me know. Harpreet: [00:46:07] At the moment there are none. How about. The room here, any questions, any comments? Anyone want to take this conversation in a particular direction? Speaker3: [00:46:20] I was going to I was going to do the GPT three thing Harp three, but she did it before I could, so Harpreet: [00:46:25] Wells Speaker3: [00:46:25] Went dry. That's all I got. Harpreet: [00:46:26] Yeah, yeah. I excited to play around with the man. I know it's a huge, Harpreet: [00:46:29] Huge model and probably take Harpreet: [00:46:31] Forever to. To download and get started with, but I'm excited, man, Eric, go for it. Speaker4: [00:46:39] And there's like a totally basic question, not metaverse at all. So I'm trying to understand like the difference practically I try to quickly Google, it didn't really get much. I'm trying to understand the difference practically between like SQL Server and redshift. Now this is like what I what I'm doing on a daily basis because I'm doing stuff in SQL Server. But then we have certain things that are stored in redshift and and I was querying and lo and behold, I stumbled across the list ag aggregation function and it like, made my life so much easier because I could take rows, partitioned over an ID and put them in a nice list so that I could show the path that a customer had traveled or whatever. Harpreet: [00:47:19] It was awesome. Speaker4: [00:47:20] But there's not exactly a list function. There is a string function in SQL Server, but Harpreet: [00:47:25] Anyway, I'm just trying to Speaker4: [00:47:26] Understand like why? Why? I just don't understand why so many different SQL meta versus even exist. And then like why is like, why does redshift matter? Why does SQL Server matter? It's like a basic question, but I don't get it. Harpreet: [00:47:45] Yeah, these different SQL Harpreet: [00:47:46] Engines, that's kind of what they're Harpreet: [00:47:48] Called. They have their own underlying, you know, I mean, it's all SQL, but they have their own flavors in different types of syntax. I see. Marina is immediately Marina. If you want to jump in Harpreet: [00:47:58] Here, definitely Harpreet: [00:47:59] Let [00:48:00] us know. But that's that's like that's like the different SQL engines. Harpreet: [00:48:03] They all kind of have their own spin Harpreet: [00:48:04] And take on SQL. As far as I know, redshift is just like a cloud SQL database, right? Us version is, yeah, marina. Any questions or comments? Speaker4: [00:48:18] Yeah, no, no. I had a I had a question. I don't have an answer for Eric. So like sort of. Harpreet: [00:48:26] First, let's see if anybody has an answer for for Eric's question. That's that's my understanding of it, Eric, because I know there's subtle differences between what I do in Postgres and what I do in my SQL. And it's just because the different SQL engines, I guess that's that. That's what I've found on a Google search, and I've just ran with that. Speaker4: [00:48:50] If I can't, I feel like I mean, it's kind of it's kind of advantageous if your cloud Harpreet: [00:48:54] Provider because I mean from Speaker4: [00:48:56] Like a vendor lock in perspective, like all the sequel scripts you have write, they're only going to work with like Athena Data Warehouse or Harpreet: [00:49:03] Like, I don't know. Speaker4: [00:49:05] Actually, I think it's the only thing I really know of the uses redshift like is, is there something else you read on redshift queries against? No, that's that's that's why I'm running it. I guess that makes sense, like try and lock them into your like Sony having their own version of an SD card for forever, whatever, which is actually just really annoying, but it makes sense. One thing, too, is that since it's like corporately sponsored, I mean, they can, like people, have a reason. Because like with open source projects like post-arrest, well, I guess Postgres has sponsors too. But like if a project is being sponsored, you can sort of like manipulate it towards the aims of, you know, whatever the goals of the sponsor organization has. So it'll be less like one nice thing about them sponsoring it is they have all those sweet plugins that plugins, but they have like sweet features like, I mean, depending on the version of like Postgres or MySQL, you're using like there might not be window functions or like if you're running windows functions that might be slow, but like with redshift like, I think from my understanding, everything [00:50:00] I've ever used has been like fairly optimized and it's been there like, I don't think there's ever been a SQL function I've wanted to use the redshift didn't have. So like, so which is another way, honestly, you can get locked in because then you're just like, Oh, it's so convenient. I have this thing and I can't leave. That makes sense, yeah, that totally makes sense. Thought about that. Ok, so it's a business thing, and I just need to deal with it. Or start my own. That's just going to rule them all. Yes, we made the language of Eric Query language. That's true. Speaker5: [00:50:35] It's maybe interesting to turn that on its head and think, you know, if the metaverse comes off the ground and works, is that going to Harp in the age of a single coding language or universal coding language? Harpreet: [00:50:46] We won't have Speaker5: [00:50:47] Sql and Python and R and Ruby, and all of these different ones will be consolidated to a single universal language to to make the metaverse more responsive. Harpreet: [00:50:59] It'll probably be English because that is the lingua franca of the internet. Harpreet: [00:51:05] So natural Harpreet: [00:51:06] Extension is. Yeah. Marina, go for it. Harpreet: [00:51:10] You know, it's if anybody Speaker4: [00:51:12] Had any experience with graph knowledge, right, so I'm kind of like graph databases from relational database as they can, what is a good way to start? If one wants to start, like I know, like the Neo4j seems to be used by many people don't, but I just don't know. I just was lazy and I thought, I can Harpreet: [00:51:35] Ask you and avoid Speaker4: [00:51:36] Doing a little bit of research if anybody has any thoughts. Harpreet: [00:51:41] Yeah, Neo4j is the only one that I know of anybody else. Got any insights onto this? Let me know somebody who I who I think might be a good resource to follow on LinkedIn if you're not already following him. David Knickerbocker. I'll link to his profile here. Harpreet: [00:51:57] I think he's actually Harpreet: [00:51:58] Writing a book on. If [00:52:00] he does like NLP and like networks and stuff like that, Eric, you're kind of into that network stuff, aren't you? Speaker4: [00:52:10] Yeah, just they haven't did like graph Harpreet: [00:52:11] Database stuff, Speaker4: [00:52:13] But I know, yeah, like you said, David Knickerbocker, if you just look through this like hashtag hundred days of networks post, he has a few posts in there that have like a stack of books for and I'm sure you've I'm sure you've looked at a bunch of it. But are you like most interested in graph Data like databases or just like working with graphs and networks in general? And like genera like, well, I don't know yet. Right, so but I like the idea that also, you know, you can Harpreet: [00:52:46] You you can Speaker4: [00:52:47] Work on the Harpreet: [00:52:47] Links to, right? So it's not Speaker4: [00:52:49] Like the databases by itself. But then I found the beauty is going to be like in the links, right? So if you can not just don't the notes right and then you like, you can be many kinds of products. Probably, if I understand, you know, like the the links, I think it's very, I think is very powerful in that sense. Definitely. You could check out Tiger Graff. Tiger Graff is pretty interesting. Harpreet: [00:53:18] They have some. So they're like Speaker4: [00:53:19] A platform, but they have some helpful tutorial videos kind of explaining. First off, like how to use their platform, but they also can they just have helpful like you can get a free, like a free version where they have some projects that they'll walk you through and show you how to like how different relationships would exist like you were talking about. Harpreet: [00:53:43] So I've liked learning Speaker4: [00:53:45] From them a bit. And then the other is I just dropped a link in the chat to the Stanford. It's called Snap. I don't know what Snap stands for, but it's from Stanford University. And actually, I think the one I just sent you is just the road network in California. [00:54:00] But anyway, you can click up like to a page above it, and they have big network examples because it's really easy, not real easy, but you can usually find toy networks that have 30 or 40 nodes, but you can't. It's difficult to find something that has a whole bunch of nodes to have fun with, like the California Road Network is one that I worked with a little bit. That one's Harpreet: [00:54:21] Fun. That one's good. Speaker4: [00:54:23] And then there are several other ones, and there are different types of networks in case you want something that has different kinds of relationships Harpreet: [00:54:31] Like internet Speaker4: [00:54:31] Traffic or road Harpreet: [00:54:32] Traffic or. Speaker4: [00:54:34] Products, different things like that, so that's a sweet resource I really like. Well, thank you, and if you say CC, then it must be easy. Yeah. Good. Thanks. Harpreet: [00:54:47] And I've actually, ah Harpreet: [00:54:49] Yeah, go for Speaker4: [00:54:49] It. Yeah, sorry. I've been thinking a ton about graph databases recently, and so the reason why is because I've been writing a graph API and I was like, Graph is an API name. It's in the database name like they must go together. And so when I was when I was looking into this, like I came to find out that almost nobody uses our graph database for graph. Well, and that's kind of a tangent. But but one thing I learned when I was investigating cause I was looking at Neo4j, I was getting like Janice, which is another open source graph database, was looking like a tiger graph looked really cool. Like Typekit graph seems like it's really performant. It just seems like the cloud solutions, like really expensive. So. So yeah, what I what I learned is that like so graph databases, they find it like a camp Harpreet: [00:55:27] Of just like no SQL Speaker4: [00:55:28] Databases. I mean, we just divide all the databases between SQL and no SQL. And because I'm an email ops engineer Harpreet: [00:55:35] And so like so like we're always Speaker4: [00:55:36] Saying about like performance and stuff. And so like one of the when you when you go to the no SQL question, like it's always some sort of trade off because like relational databases are just like awesome, like there's basically no data you can't model somehow with relational database. And so, so even like Graph two API is like basically everyone who does a graph to you, even though they're even though they allow you to query data as though it's a graph, they use a relational database to [00:56:00] power it. Because like, if you think about it, what a graph database gives you is it lets you store metadata about the relationships of two things like If I'm like a customer and then if there's like a customer's entity and there's like a store entity like my relationship could be like maybe the trips I've taken to the store or something like that. And so there's all kinds of data you might want to store about the trips. I'm sorry, there's is saying I want to talk about the trips I've taken to the store and so. So the way people will achieve that with like a cycle database is they just they just make a table in between. So you got like, you're your person table, which is like Eric, where Eric would go and you got like your stores and you have like an association table, which it does like what it's called like. You put all the data there. And so like so yeah. And so like and I was like, but Neo4j sounds so much cooler because like my queries would run fast and like I would be able to like model the data as flexibly as I want. And so I just like this is just like, you know, the limited human experience that I have. But Neo4j, like one issue that it apparently has is it doesn't really scale beyond the amount of data you can store on, like a single computer's hard drive, like Harpreet: [00:57:02] It struggles to like. Speaker4: [00:57:05] It doesn't really scale horizontally. Harpreet: [00:57:06] I don't know. I don't know if that makes sense to Speaker4: [00:57:07] You at all, but like, it just made my understanding. It's not really built for that. And it's also written in Java. So it has the JVM, which is like a big problem for like RAM usage and stuff if you care about that. So like so yeah, like if you do on a model, Data graphically joins actually aren't the worst thing in the world. I mean, SQL databases, they were written to handle our large joints. But there's also another cool thing called select and load that you could look at where you don't actually do a join you, select a subset from one table and then you run another select statement on the next table to like you like. That's probably going too much into the weeds, but like, yeah, but you know, I know graph databases are really cool. But the thing is, if graph databases were amazing, like, who wouldn't want a graph database like all data is basically a graph. And so I feel like the reason why they're not as mainstream is like, you know, I would think they would be is because they kind of have these [00:58:00] like performance. They have these performance tradeoffs, you know, like like everything is. Harpreet: [00:58:05] Thank you very much. Ah, I appreciate that us very in-depth answer for that, for sure. Anybody else have questions? Please do let me know. Eric Bass, Nova on LinkedIn is asking for the tutorials that you mentioned a couple of minutes ago Harpreet: [00:58:24] That you had linked. Harpreet: [00:58:26] I'm not sure which one that was in particular, but if you do recall, please go ahead and post Harpreet: [00:58:30] That link again, Harpreet: [00:58:31] And I will be sure to share that on LinkedIn with Keith. Any other questions on anything whatsoever? Please let me know. If not, we can begin to wrap it up. Great conversations learned a lot about the Metaverse and actually give me Harpreet: [00:58:44] More motivation Harpreet: [00:58:45] To go ahead and study that. Hopefully guys get a chance to tune in to the podcast. Harpreet: [00:58:51] Remember that episode Harpreet: [00:58:52] With Steve Cardinale? Harpreet: [00:58:53] His book was really cool. Harpreet: [00:58:55] Really enjoyed it. So enjoyed talking to him about that. Harpreet: [00:58:58] A number of episodes Harpreet: [00:59:01] Going live that are going to be an early part of December. Go and live with Nick Singh, author of AC Data science interview, Going Live with both the gentlemen Harpreet: [00:59:12] From one Harpreet: [00:59:13] Salting, I'm sure you've Harpreet: [00:59:16] Heard of them. There's Javier, and I think Harpreet: [00:59:20] It's Javier's guys last name and we got a. I'm going to have to edit that part of the podcast, but both the guys from one small team Harpreet: [00:59:28] Will be on the show. Harpreet: [00:59:29] Looking forward to that and speaking to Grant Fleming about his book Responsible Data Science, that's going to be a great conversation. Talking about the. You do Data science in ethical and responsible manner, so I'm excited for that. Guys, thanks so much for joining in. Hopefully, we'll be back next week. Next week is next week Thanksgiving. Speaker3: [00:59:53] It is right. Next Friday is the day after. It's right, Harpreet: [00:59:56] So I should probably cancel that because I don't think anybody's gonna show up. Last year was [01:00:00] different because nobody can go Black Harpreet: [01:00:01] Friday shopping, so everybody Harpreet: [01:00:03] Is hanging out. But I guess next week I might cancel that. We'll see. We'll see what happens. But you know what happens from next week on and we start rocking those Christmas sweaters, for sure. So that's going to be fun. Thanks, guys, for hanging out. Thanks for four chilling and talking and, you know, Harpreet: [01:00:19] Expanding my mind Harpreet: [01:00:21] On a number of things. Remember my friends, you've got one life on this planet. Why not try to do something big? Cheers, everyone.