comet-ml-oh-may16.mp3 Speaker1: [00:00:09] What's up, everybody, welcome. Welcome to the comet Emelle office hours powered by the @ArtistsOfData Science. Super excited to have all the AIs here. Thank you so much for joining me this Sunday, May 16th. Really excited to have you guys here and really excited to introduce you guys to Austin. Austin is the head of community at Comet Emelle. He'll be joining us, I think, fairly frequently for these office hours. So it's going to be a pleasure to have him here, Austin. Tell us tell us a little bit about yourself in terms of what what does the head of community mean, Comet Emelle? What are some of the things that you're going to be taking, taking up? Speaker2: [00:00:50] Absolutely. Yeah, thanks are great. So what I'm going to be doing, we know that comet as head of community is sort of working with individual Data scientist practitioners, learners and sort of helping them along their journey, whether that's through educational content or events like this or other sort of like high level community efforts through those through those sort of channels. So what I'm doing today is just sort of checking this out. I watched a couple of recorded episodes and I love how this goes. I'm just kind of interested to see, you know, with my own two eyes how this goes. And we've got lots of big ideas for what we want to work on over Comet, because we focused a lot on sort of the enterprise side of things. And now we're trying to figure out ways that we can engage the audience and real and genuine ways. And before I was that comment, I spent three and a half years at a startup called Fritschi, where I did a lot of the same work. There was machine learning for mobile devices. So I did a lot of community building and content work there. So just kind of learn the ropes. I started on Monday, so it's all brand new to me. So I just kind of like meeting folks and trying to get a feel for things. So thanks, Harp. And much more to talk about at some point as I kind of learn more. But yep. That's that's my Speaker1: [00:01:57] Comment. Thank you. Yeah. I was talking to ask a little bit earlier this week and we're just brainstorming some ideas to do cool things for you guys on Saturday morning. I know right now it's an awesome format. Drop in, ask questions and get advice on your journey and your career. But we got some awesome things coming in the near future that I think will help you guys as well, especially when it comes to experimentation with machine learning and things like that. So I'm excited just to see where this goes. Well, right. Thanks, everybody, for hanging out. We got Kevin Cristoff and Ali in the House. This open the floor up for questions. If anybody has a question, go ahead and meet yourself and go for it. If there are no questions, then I guess I'd like to propose a question to you guys. Oh, Cristoff, go for it and I'll. Speaker3: [00:02:44] I hope you had a great week. And congratulations on Super Data same podcast I saw. Your episode was like the best episode of the month. Speaker1: [00:02:55] Yeah. Yeah. They voted in my episode, the episode of the Month for a super Data science podcast. Super honored for that. Cool. Speaker3: [00:03:03] And that reminded me because you were talking about and most important skills for the future, I believe, and you mentioned and learning how to learn. And I know that you started learning. You mentioned quite often Seth Godin, I believe Jim Quig are learning how to learn cars barbarically. And my question is, how do you create fun? By learning, because I believe all of them talk about and emotions that are going through when we learn. And I was just wondering if you apply something like that when you learn, I mean, do you create fun? Do you do you set yourself in a better mood or something? I mean, this is a question for everybody, but I know that you you study this subject, so I'd like to know. Speaker1: [00:04:00] Yeah, definitely. I'd love to see how the people answer this as well. But yeah, like learning is state dependent. You have to enjoy what it is that you're about to undertake, what it is, what you're about to go study and get into. Otherwise it just makes for negative experience. And if there's a negative experience, then you're just not going to retain staff. You're not going to enjoy. It's not going to be fun. It's not going to be pleasurable. And I think the way to combat this, this thing is just to learn things that you are excited about. Like I don't spend time learning stuff that I don't necessarily care about, like, oh, when I am reading a book, when I'm setting out to learn how to do something, it's because I'm genuinely interested in this. I think that it's going to be beneficial for me. I think it would be beneficial for me to tell other people about it so that I can kind of reinforce that that understanding that I have. But it's all about just having that positive emotion going in. You have to love it. You have to enjoy it and you do. That easiest way is to just study the things that you actually care about, study things that you actually enjoy doing. And I know that's kind of straight the right word for that comment. But but but it's. The easiest way to do that. I asked him about you. Speaker2: [00:05:10] Yeah, I have a small follow up to that. I mean, I come from a different kind of background. I come from English creative writing journalism. So I have a few different sort of humanities type background. So not as much in the Data science world. But one thing I always learned or that helped me learn and enjoy learning was to when it made sense to divorce the learning itself from the outcome of that means. So like, if it's, you know, you're trying to learn something and to be able to divorce it from like, OK, once I learn this, I will be able to do X that can sometimes get in the way of enjoying what you're learning because you're pointed towards an outcome before you even had a chance to like, take in the information. So, yes, experience is a lot. When I was in a creative writing program where we were reading a lot of books of poems and I was at the same time writing a book of poems, and I started reading books with the with a sense of like, how can I use this in writing my own book? And that was actually counter productive for me, because what happened was I started like losing my sense of voice. My, my I drive to read for pleasure what had gotten me into the field to begin with. So it's like if you translate that over to Data science or machine learning, it's like kind of tapping, finding ways to divorce the outcome of your learning from actual learning process itself and then figuring rediscovering that joy in those topics or in those content areas that you're learning. And that would be my sort of take on that. Speaker1: [00:06:25] I absolutely love that, because now it's like it's the process of learning itself that becomes enjoyable, not the end result, I think. Right. Um, very kind of stoic attitude towards that is just it's all about the process. Divorce yourself from the from the results. Right. Make learning the not a means to an end, but just make learning the end in itself like I love reading. I just developed a love for reading. And it's just having that love for reading, that love for learning. That's the basis the foundation of yourself education, because otherwise you can't teach yourself anything unless you learn to to love learning and love reading. But I love to hear what other people have to say. Maybe let's hear from Renata. How do you keep yourself pumped up and motivated and just continuously learning how to. Speaker4: [00:07:16] Hi, everyone. Well, actually, what helped me recently was finding this group. I have to say, first of all, and secondly is actually finding a new course that I was excited. So I find it that's in nature. I'm excited always about new things, new beginnings. So finding this new course and a new teacher which actually had a new type of a new style of the same things that I was already, well, a little bit familiar with was telling and presenting in a different manner, actually brought me to it to really being, you know, already motivated and really high and learning the same aspects a little bit more in depth. So maybe sometimes, you know, if you really stuck finding something new could help. Speaker1: [00:08:00] Yeah, I like that advice, too. And another piece of a tip, I guess, or wisdom or advice, whatever you want to call it, is you have to be very, very compassionate with yourself while you are learning because it is completely OK to just messed shit up and get it completely wrong or misunderstand it and there can't be a rush to learn it. Right. You can't be like I have to learn how to do this thing in one week, otherwise life is going to be over. And I keep going back to keep revisiting it, keep trying to mull it over. And if you don't understand, if you don't understand it, the first time around like that is completely OK. Like, like hundred percent. That is OK. Just go back, revisit it and keep working through it. Keep working through it. I love to hear from from anybody else. I see from either from Lee Kevin or and he said and he's on a jog will hopefully give him a good jog in there and he and anybody else can chime in here. Kevin, I Speaker2: [00:08:55] Just learned a little of the time I find that sometimes it could be so overwhelming. And when I realized that the trainer or the speaker, I do a lot of online stuff when I look at it. And he just said something and my mind is kind of like it's like, turn it off, breaktime, take a Speaker1: [00:09:12] Break, Speaker2: [00:09:13] Get a fresh and then come back to it later. When you when you you give your mind a break, because it can be very overwhelming at times. Speaker1: [00:09:20] Yeah. And I just this question reminded me of this tweet that I'd come across. It's a tweet storm about a week ago from Santiago. He I'm going to share the screen right now. He did this really cool tweet storm that I really enjoyed that. I recommend guys checking out if I could find my desktop. Here it is. And it's just a six step process. I completely changed my life. Maximize what you don't learn, which is super important. I think you touched on that. Just make sure you learn stuff that you want to learn, avoid schedules, use uncomfortable situations, learn AIs biproduct, teach somebody else, circle back in a month. And I was like, this is like such truth, the distilled down and in just a few bullet points, because this is essentially how I learned myself. Right. Then he goes and he expands upon each each tweet into. Visually in this tweet storm, it's really, really interesting, but that part that I minimize the noise, maximize what you don't learn, especially in Data science, I think that is super, super important because there is so much to learn. Right. Like, I don't know a damn thing about deep learning. I know nothing about genetic algorithms. I've barely used neural networks. That's cool. Like, I'm just not I'm just not going to go around studying that stuff just because it's there for me to study it. Once I have a use case that requires that, then I can go in and learn it. But I'd rather just learn the stuff that I really enjoy. Right. Which for me is mostly probability and statistics and stuff like that, a positive. And there's in the other comments, I'll yeah. Speaker2: [00:10:47] I'll read the first line here, a great show and thank you. So yeah. Having a helping a case to work on and actually trying to help people like I find that very motivating for myself. Like you said, there's a lot of things that we can learn, but choosing to learn them in the right time, at the right moment, that creates the drive for me. I'm taking a break is very important sometimes to sleep on it within the creative process. But everything is possible with a little bit of effort. You're in there and taking the right policies and helping people. Speaker1: [00:11:25] Yeah, having to learn something that you don't have to teach. It is awesome, right? Because when you teach something, you have to learn it twice in a sense. Christoph Christopoulos, that helpful. What are you going through right now or are you just like getting frustrated with learning stuff? What's what's Speaker3: [00:11:40] Going on? No, I was just I just wanted to know your opinions about it, because I think it's a skill because all of us who are here, we are here because we want to learn. I mean, nobody sacrifices Sunday time to meet with people with same interests when they don't want to learn because we are here to grow. And I also like to learn a lot and I try to and do it efficiently. So I was curious if if you have some tips, some Hecht's about it. Speaker1: [00:12:18] Yeah. I mean, that's the thing that I wish there was Hack's, but it's one of those things where there's not like a hack and you get enough advice on this topic. Sometimes I think it'll cancel out to zero. So you just kind of take bits and pieces from other people that you think might work for you and then just try to implement it, try to experiment. If it seems like it works, then keep going with it. If it doesn't work, then or whatever, like, you know, move on to the next tip or whatever. But ultimately it's just finding what works for you. And then for a while, like I used to just read all these books and I still do read all these books and the most in that business and self-help and personal development type of space and how to read stuff and thought, oh, shit, that's great, I need to try this and you could do it. And I started doing it and I started doing it for a while and I'm like, why am I doing this man? Like, I'm not liking it, not enjoying it. But it's supposed to make me better somehow, someway. But then I realized that, you know what is just about taking bits of stuff from everyone, trying it, see what works for me, and then kind of for my own kind of set of practices with everything that I get exposed to. Um, but yeah. So Mark is in the house market. What's going on, man? Mark, I'd love to get your take on this question. So Cristoff, can you repeat your question for Mark? Speaker3: [00:13:33] And so my question was, do you have any tips or and and I mean, like a question was about learning. Do you have any methods to create fun when you learn? Because I mean, like positive emotions, because this is what boosts our learning abilities. Do you have anything like this that you would like to share? Speaker2: [00:13:55] Yeah. Oh, that's a really, really good question. I guess, like, is this really dependent on how you define fun? So for me, like for fun for me, I love solving puzzles. And so coding is like a giant puzzle or open book test. And so I love that kind of hustle, being very frustrated, trying to figure something out and then make that breakthrough. And that's the fun part for me. But also, like, I feel like that only works when you kind of know what you're doing. You know, this can and so on. That earlier side is picking a domain. Our project for a side project that's interesting to you, where you where you're very passionate about it. So for me, it was health care. So when I was first learning how to code, I basically said, I want my master's thesis to be something where I forced myself to learn how to code one, because there is this pressure to like I need to do this, but also is this domain of health care. I was very passionate. I want to solve these health care problems as all my other side projects as well. When I don't know something, choosing something I'm passionate about, it's kind of a thing that gives me the motivation. I'm like, oh, I don't want to do that. And I think there's any other kind of fun things, I think another component, and maybe I'm not answering this correctly because I'm more so I'm distinguishing between science and art and learning style, like not getting frustrated. And so I think another component is just like learning what your learning style is. So for me, just listening and watching videos is not enough for me. I actually like to listen, watch a video of maybe like three times, two times to be just like a general idea and then just do it. And so that's another component. So I guess, like my main focus is avoiding total void by ending frustration so that you can't have fun. I don't know. That was the best response. But that's that's my approach. Speaker1: [00:15:54] I think we like that. I like that that that very, very important piece about how do you define fun? Because I think we're talking about fun like it's a general thing. That's the same for all of us, but that's very important. Find out what is fun for you. Like fun for me is like when I learn like like I got a ton of books here that are like comic book cartoon books, but they're cartoon books and like statistics, linear algebra, calculus, microeconomics, science, things like that right there. That's fun for me just because it's like a funny cartoon drawings talking about interesting technical topics. But Mark's fun is working through that frustration to get the the end result. Yeah, great tips, Mike. Thank you. I open it up to anybody else. If anybody else has any comments on this part or questions, go for it. Questions or comments from anyone. Speaker4: [00:16:42] I have a couple questions, but we arrive at A.M., so I don't know if someone has more serious ones. I would. OK, well, the first one is actually I was listening to your podcast with Dennis Rodman. Oh, yeah. Recently released. And I was it's it's really interesting. And I was really interested in a way how he's thinking and how he's analyzing things. And when I heard that he has a book, I was like, oh, that's great. I would like, you know, kind of to get a little bit more in in depth of his really brains or when I started looking at his books and realizing that these are more methodical, more kind of on a subject, rather than really showing his thoughts, more philosophical kind of things. So I just wanted to double check with you is do I understand correctly he doesn't have a book that would be really more philosophical on the topic? Speaker1: [00:17:38] Yeah, his books are mostly text books, type of books. Right. Like those books from packed publications. So he writes he's got a few books out, I think three or four ish, but they're all just like text books type of thing. Um, I haven't looked at many of them in super in depth, but I mean, they're probably not a whole bunch of things like philosophy in there, which that's interesting point. Like you should message him and tell him to write a book outside of publications about the way he thinks about things, because it's pretty interesting hearing him talk. He's he's a very interesting character. I enjoy talking to him, but definitely. Yeah, there's not a book that he has. Speaker4: [00:18:17] Yeah. OK, and just a quick one. A second one about keyboard. So what I'm learning, what I'm understanding with serious programmers, I kind of tend to prioritize using only keyboard or mostly keyboard. And that's something that is really new for me because I always was thinking like, oh, it's very quick, you know, using the AIs. So just maybe a little bit if someone can share, you know, Harp as well experience and how you transition, actually how you do it. Because for me it's difficult Speaker1: [00:18:49] When you like watching me last week look over my shoulder or something. Can we talk about this at all? Because I, I've been using like I'm thirty eight, thirty eight tomorrow. I've been using computers since I was 12. Maybe I've been using computers for a long time. It never occurred to me to just start using the keyboard because those fractions of a second, not even fraction of a second like just because here's my setup right keyboard trackpad it takes up so much time and then having to use a track like that, like my wrist starts really hurting. And it wasn't until maybe two weeks ago where I just said, fuck it, I'm doubling down on the shortcuts, keyboard shortcuts for the operating system and for the applications. And oh my God, life has been so much better. You have to keep practicing. You keep repeating it. But the productivity gains, I think there's a couple of different games there. There's the just the the physical act of having to move your hand to the trackpad, find the mouse and then track where you need to click. Speaker1: [00:19:49] Right. That has a cognitive cost. Right. That that cost you money mentally. Um, whereas this focusing on the keyboard is just super quick and super effortless. Um, there's some tasks that you have to go and use the mouse for some more creative type of tasks like trying to. Copy like the body of text, like it's not that easy or trying to circle something, whatever. Yeah, if there's I try to think of it this way, I'm forcing myself to now only use the mouse or the trackpad for things that only a mouse or trackpad can be used for and focusing entirely on using just the keyboard on the keyboard shortcuts. And I've been doing that for a couple of weeks after using a computer for like twenty five years. Um, and I don't know, I don't know where this epiphany came from, but I highly recommend it. Highly encourage it. I'd love to hear from anybody else here. I know Christof, you're a software engineer by training and trade, so you probably have some good insight on this as well. Speaker3: [00:20:46] I also use shortcuts because like I said, the timesaving and like moving and lines of code, like up and down, this is a cool thing to do and you just have to get used to it. You can you can set it up in your editor and start using it at the beginning. It's always unnatural, but and at the end you save plenty of time. Speaker1: [00:21:13] Yeah. And it just becomes so much more seamless. But it's the tricky part. Is this right? Because my personal computer is a Mac and then my work computer is a Windows machine, so the keyboard shortcuts are a little bit different. So having the context switch between the operating systems has been kind of a pain in the ass. But I've noticed tremendous like just ability to focus more than anything. Right, because I found that me having to, like, find the mouse and click around stuff like that, like that really shifted me away from the task. Anybody else here started using the the keyboard more than the mouse or has been for quite some time. I'd love to love to hear your take on that. I see Asha is unmetered so far. You know, is that. Speaker2: [00:21:54] Oh, that was very hysterical. You know, as I said, no problem. Speaker1: [00:21:58] But not you can start using the keyboard now so you can start using the keyboard now. Speaker2: [00:22:04] Yeah, that's a good boy. Go. Speaker4: [00:22:08] Yeah, just a little bit. I mean, I'm taking baby steps. I'm introducing the ones that I'm mostly using something that I'm doing over and over. And probably the time maybe I will I will use this. But at the moment I'm at this stage where I'm still not necessarily seeing how it is quicker, but just because I'm also like, oh, OK, control shift and what's the next one? So I look, you know, calculating. I'm still thinking, what exactly do you do depress so that Speaker1: [00:22:37] It takes some time for those neural pathways to really burning. But it's quick, like it's super quick now. I would suggest just using it mostly for like the applications that you use most frequently. Right. So like learning the keyboard shortcuts for Google Chrome I think is beneficial, just knowing how to switch between tabs, using the keyboard, open a new tab, get right into the URL, bar, uh, search bar, whatever, things like that. Um, you'll notice gains immediately. Yeah. It'll take or just take like a week or week and a half for you to start memorizing then becomes muscle memory. Yeah, definitely. Go for it. Oh thank you. Yeah. Awesome. Love to hear from anybody else. Have you got a question. Go ahead and meet yourself. Let me know. A good answer for a question if you have one. I just keep calling on her in the most inopportune times. Yeah. Let's see if there's a question from, uh, from Dave. Dave has it gone? Speaker2: [00:23:29] And so what's this somewhat kubernetes that's. Speaker1: [00:23:33] Oh yeah. Yeah, there's more questions. Well, we were just talking about keyboard shortcuts, but if you've got a question, you can you can go for it or if don't talk to us about your experience. The keyboard shortcuts that'll work on my Speaker2: [00:23:44] Keyboard is, uh, it's like Mysak on this. It's the nature of the keyboard only, preferably on the keyboard, because right now I'm currently using them. And then when I use this phone, it has also the bindings of being a bit they're also in bindings of. So for me and my because I realized that in the beginning when I use the mouse trap my problem mouse, I would then go with this a bit because I tend to find the mouse. Where is it. Whereas the person like that. But when I use have when it's fast for me because I jump from this line up like that once and then onto the keyboard, that's so for me. I'm like naming products that are and that's, that's why I use them. Speaker1: [00:24:36] That's, that's hardcore man. I try to use them for like a week and I was like, damn, this is tough, but I could see the benefits of it. Now that I'm like committing to the keyboard shortcuts, I think I move more into them. But yeah, learning the shortcuts for Jupiter notebook is definitely, definitely clutch. You save a lot of time with that. Mark, you Speaker2: [00:24:54] Know what's funny is that I struggle with the keyboard shortcuts that I have or wheel like memory. I always have the reference thing. So like I actually spend more time, a more cognitive load because I'm like. What's that short cut again, let me go search it and then I do it and this the memorization doesn't stick for me, even for like when I go, I'm like switching armpits out of my is a library is an important to search it out. So I'm always using the mouse. This is another side. Speaker1: [00:25:24] Don't tell you like you use the keyboard, you'll see some some tremendous gains and then like your arm and restore order as much, if anything to you, just like a Post-it note with you know, like here, for example, here's a Post-it note I have right here. Are you making good use of keyboard shortcuts to remind myself, I don't know if you could read it or not in my messy handwriting, but literally I have a Post-it note on my laptop telling me, reminding me to make good use of keyboard shortcuts. Speaker2: [00:25:50] So things and one other thought on this just from a sort of obviously not from a data center coding perspective for me personally. But what I found is that when I even in my Google Docs or something, it's like changing header sizes or changing text or whatever it is. If I can put the mouse away a little bit, like the sort of the click and drag and highlight and all that, just that that is such a like a nervous, like, excessive motion sort of thing for me. So the more I can, like, strip that away a little bit, the more I'm focusing on what I'm doing to the text and not like just clicking and dragging, like keep my hands active in that way. And I don't know if that plays out in code or not necessarily, but I just think, like centralizing that activity into one sort of device can be helpful unless you're not, like, doing these other sort of behaviors. I don't know. That's just that's one thought crept into my mind just now. Speaker1: [00:26:37] Yeah. Like that whole point about what you're talking about, just like a nervous movement. Not only that, it's like I'm like a dog after a squirrel. Like go see the mouse. Not that oh tab. Oh, then you just leave me down a rabbit hole of like doing stuff that's not related to what I was actually doing, whereas just having the key word. So here I can only work on this window and maybe the next one that I have maximized. So these productivity windows. Um yeah. Thank you very much for that. I appreciate it. Let's open up the floor for any other questions. So if anybody would like to take the floor, go for it. There's some new people that just joined us over the last few minutes. Shout out to Joshua, also Orshansky Nahshon. Well, hopefully doing well. Eagleford floor is open for any questions because no questions. I'm installed. But by talking about how excited I am to head out to the lake for a week, rented a cabin right on the lake. My wife and baby will be there for the week. I'm excited. Just chill out and do mostly, mostly just reading and writing some philosophizing. That's kind of what I'm hoping to do this this week. Mark has a question on content creation. Go for it. Speaker2: [00:27:46] Yeah. So I'm kind of getting into this weird spot now. I'm getting traction with my my LinkedIn and people are starting to notice and people are starting to reach out saying, like, hey, I want you to talk for X, Y, Z or hey, do you want to do this, this, this, this and the opportunity. Right. And so a big component of Data science is just like open source component and like really just giving out freely information. But then there's also this other component, like being a person of color. And it's not my work. And, you know, do I charge for certain things? Do I just do everything freely and get burned out or to say no? And, you know, as as I'm creating more content, I'm getting more attention. And I'm I kind of want to take this more more serious and the next few months. And so I guess, like, I guess you want to be you are not being other people are content creators is how do you find that balance of like being passionate and the sharing sharing your work because like like doing these office hours versus like being valued or being paid for, kind of like the knowledge you've built over a while and also like not burning out because there's so many other things to do. Speaker1: [00:28:52] Yeah, man, I know exactly what you mean. So that like for anybody that just messages me asking for like, oh, I need help getting in today's I it I've got a question about Data and some like I got to open office hours, come to those asking questions. That's the only time we'll be able to reach me. You know, I'm not going to sit here and exchange messages with the on LinkedIn, but if there's things that come up or presentations and things like this. Right. So there's a recent example was for the Data Cisco Virtual Conference. They asked me to be part of the panel discussion when I was on with Van and Leonard. And it was a few months ago. And I was like, I could I could do that. But then I strategically said, alright, let me why don't you guys let me be the emcee of that event. Right? Not the emcee the event. Sorry, the the the chairperson of that panel discussion. And then they reached out to me to be the emcee of the entire conference. And I didn't want to be like I don't want to just say, okay, I'll do the guys pay me X amount of money I looked at as the long term game. Right. Um, because you have to you have to think of some of these events as or some of these interactions and relationships go to right. From a game theory type of perspective, because these going be iterate games that will be playing for the duration of us being in this data science space, I. So if there's potential for this to turn into something bigger or a engagement where we're continually going to be working together, then I mean, I wouldn't bring money into it just just to to be, you know, just to be like, oh, well, you know, my is X amount dollars. I would look for positive some games. Right. That is that kind of making sense so Speaker2: [00:30:26] That they give they give context. I was in a video call with someone asked more time you fall at the end, they're like, what do you want to exchange? And I had no answer at all. I was like, I didn't think this is possible. I got what I don't want to be in a position again where I have no idea. I just never thought of that. Speaker1: [00:30:45] Yeah. So, I mean, think about what it is that that you that you value. Right. So if at the end of that conversation, like. All right, cool. Well, you know, if this is just a one off event, I don't see this playing out more and more over time, iterated over time. Then he had just, you know, whatever X amount for my time and make that X amount ridiculously high because the anchoring effect is a thing. So whatever you spit out, make that number ridiculously high. And I do that even with my podcast, like when people when people if people message me trying to get onto my podcast and I have zero interest in speaking to this person or putting in the effort to research them, I send them my promo sheet. I'm like, cool. It's you know, it's it's X amount for an episode and a couple of posts. Right. But if it's somebody that I really feel like, OK, I'm and have a good time learning about you and have a good time going through your content, I'm going to enjoy talking to you. I won't even bring up anything. Right. Um, I don't know if I'm like, diverging off topic. Let me know if I'm if I am and Speaker2: [00:31:44] I'll this this this makes sense. This is a tricky, tricky thing. I think it's kind of even more tricky in Data science. But like there's so many free resources. Yeah. And I've used some every worst resource like who am I to to charge for things like name for free as well. So yeah, I also like knowing your time. Speaker1: [00:32:02] Yeah. So I get hit up a lot for me to do presentations. My default response is no, just because if it's not anything that I can uniquely contribute value to, then I'm not going to do it. It's not worth my time. It's not worth your time. It's you can get that stuff somewhere else, right? If it's like how to break into Data science type of thing, if it's generic, I just want even touch it. Like, I'm just like it has to be something that only I can uniquely contribute value to. Right. So you have to identify that for yourself. Right. You have to know what that is for yourself and then pursue those opportunities or say yes to those opportunities that are going to let you do that. But then also keep in mind that is this going to be a repeated game that will be playing with each other? Right. The reason I bring it up that day is high school. Virtual conference thing is now, because now they're reaching out to me to emcee the next event. Right. And and I'm like, OK, well, look, I'm trying to take some more often than not do things. But at the same time, this Data science go, uh, is the virtual conference. This is like the the biggest stage in Data science. Right. Um, so I'm not going to be like, nah, like no. And I'm not going to be like, yes, if you pay me X amount of money because I get that's not the game I want to play. Right. Because I want to iterate this game. I want to keep this game. You keep on going, keep on going forward thinking of different ways for us to play a positive sum game. So in essence, my rambling has to still get down to this, seek out opportunities where only you can where it's your unique contribution, that it's something that only you can talk about uniquely. Look for long term games with long term people that will be iterated and repeated and only play positive some games. Speaker2: [00:33:36] Now, that's that's that's that's super helpful. And also, I know is geared towards content creation, but like everyone else to listen to is like this can easily be applied to any business context for Data science work. So this is really helpful and I don't have any friends or family doing stuff like this. I was like, could I talk to you? Yeah. What's the what's the gem's? Speaker1: [00:33:56] Yeah. And I'm an absolutely, absolutely like I mean, it's like it's the reason that and everything with you've got one life on this planet. Why not try to do something big. Right. Because you've only got X amount of days that you get to live right before it just disappears. So whatever you do with your time, make it worth it, because that's the stuff you can't get back. I can go back and make money, whatever. Like, I don't care. Like, I can make the money back always. I just can't get that time back. I can't get that energy back. I can't get that effort back. These are things I just cannot won't ever return to me. The money, whatever. I can fucking get that shit, whatever. Right. I see awesome speed. It's a needed us and if you wanna be here, Speaker2: [00:34:36] Go for it. Yeah. I just had one one thing you said at the beginning Harpreet Sahota superimportant. And Mark, as you sort of build this persona for yourself, for the sort of presence in these communities, I think carving out ways that you can offer yourself or your content or your perspective for free that are dedicated to that purpose. And so that that's what you can point people towards where they can, whether it's an office hours or you have your own blog that you do or a newsletter or whatever it is that you're creating and distributing for free. And then from that, you can start to identify the communities like Harp. He was saying that you want to. Involved in that you have something to offer them, but then you have to sort of like free this sort of part of yourself that you're you're donating to the community for free. And it's calm now and it's specific. And you can control it much more easily than like sort of taking fielding all of these sort of offers and then trying to delineate. So I think as you kind of grow into this new spy, you find yourself and I think that can be super helpful is like carving out something like an office hours or a blog or a stream of content, even if it's just something like LinkedIn. Right. But then folks have is like a repository for like what you offer and then can sort of connect with you. Then you can sort of start teasing out those different opportunities. Speaker1: [00:35:41] Excellent, excellent tips. Mark, do you Speaker2: [00:35:43] Feel about that now? This is really great. And I really like this because I think my main concern is like I love this song, but I'll burn myself out. So I got to be really mindful, like, how do I use my time? Speaker1: [00:35:53] And I know you're I know you're type A personalities. So you always want to do a little bit of everything as well. So I think it's great, but I think you should definitely contribute. But don't don't burn yourself out. Don't stress yourself out. Ali, go for it. Speaker2: [00:36:06] Yeah. I wanted to add here. I just put you on the chart. Yeah. So it's like a benefit risk analysis. So what am I going to benefit versus how much I can put on stakes like time wise. Resources wise, maybe you'll have to go somewhere else. I don't want a coffee shop or something to cover the project or whatever, and it's important to define what one holds. Very noble, like the noble values. For example, somebody at one stage wants to master what they're doing. So any opportunity to research a particular topic or work with somebody who needs help on the model, for example, then I'll jump on it and take the risk because I will learn this stuff. And if I do it on my own, when it's hours spent looking at videos, trying things that might not be as engaging, whereas maybe if I master something and it's fine to make money out of it, I mean, even if even if it's game easy, it's important to understand the value of it in the market. Like, for example, I find that the science with with a with a course that was given from my employer. Speaker2: [00:37:22] So I didn't say anything. I mean, I'm not going to give, you know, because in the market, like on free, a lot of things sites you'll see people, whatever they're charging for it. So it's usually they'll have the products given. You got to see the price ranges so you can see somebody charging this amount of guys charging Bockelmann. So you'll see the presentation and you'll know where you sitting. One will know where they fit in. So it's so that's how I do it so and so now. And I get some product. I mean, like I would like to say, maybe that guy who has that offering can handle it. I will focus on these other things that they hold valuable for me, like maybe a long term client or a tougher project, you know, so it's all about getting these values. I don't know if I was like global values or higher purpose things, goals, that kind of stuff drive. And then it's it's a benefit risk analysis that's super helpful as well. I appreciate Speaker1: [00:38:23] It. Yeah, man. Yeah, that's that's awesome, man. People are hitting you up and you're getting traction getting noticed like it's it's a good feeling. And I think it's in all of us humans to want to contribute, to give back, to want to feel like we have that out for lack of a better term in our field like that. That's a good feeling. But don't let that come at the expense of your personal wellbeing and your schedule and things like that. Man like another rule of thumb I have is if if somebody like people will repeatedly reach out to me to be on stuff and I'm like, cool, look, I maybe can't do a phone call, can't do a video interview, can we do it on email? And if it's an email, then I could just do it whenever I have time. I don't have to worry about being at a certain place at a certain time to talk to a certain somebody. Right. I'm slowly trying to it's going to take a while, but over the next few years, I just want to do live life in such a way where I'm only showing up for things where I want to be and doing only those things that I want to do on my own time, which I can take. Speaker1: [00:39:30] I think it will take me about five years and then I'll have freedom of my time completely. I'm looking towards. Yeah, great. Great topic, Mark. I love that. And anybody else want to take on a question. Go for it. Happy to open the floor up or if anybody has a follow up comment on that, I'm happy to talk about that as well. One thing I've been wanting to do is I want to write a book, but I don't want to write a book that's a Data science textbook. Right. So I get hit up by packed publications a lot to try to get me to write a book. And it's like, OK, well, you guys keep coming up with topics I don't want to talk about. I want to write a textbook. I would like to write a book about, I don't know, something about like I'm really into philosophy, right? I'm really into Data science. And if I could blend the two and really start making some headway in this ethics space within Data science, because those are two things that I'm very interested in. Maybe I have something important to say about it and I don't know, but we'll see that that would be the goal. You my time. So the book Speaker2: [00:40:28] Is that I think that I have this also. I have a comment about that. So I'm looking and trying to do my piece. The in quantum information, I guess is like a whole new ballgame. And all you I just heard that Germany is starting to do a quantum computer. Norway is starting to build a quantum computer and we're looking into like many years that they will get this done. So, yeah, I think, you know, quantum computer brings up all this kind of quantum theory. What does matter? Physics and the speed of light and all this kind of stuff. So I'm I'm thinking about that as well. Like how I can integrities I'm doing my PDF operation research, so all those kind of algorithms and stuff. So what I'm trying to work on is like the way that quantum works is that you can have multiple messages going after each other in the same space rather than them taking different spaces like all these bits. So something like advertising, you know, if you saw like a stream of information going after each other in a different way, then go putting all the information in at the same time rather than putting a little bit in different combinations, that kind of research. It's a little bit more analytic maybe. Doesn't that I mean, I still think it falls under the Data science umbrella because the analysis of that is kind of Data science related. So that kind of optimization and then the presentation of it on and of course I some machine learning spicewood. Yeah. And that kind of stream is very neat because you can think about the Enlightenment, the way of life all around us and you have all the others. And there is something about space and time and all that stuff. And then I go back to all the philosophers and stuff. So if anybody wants to go deeper, that science, you know, quantum information is a really big cookie to have to bite them and swallow. Speaker1: [00:42:37] Yeah, I mean, that's that's something that happens to me sometimes because I get deep into philosophy and I just start thinking about metaphysics stuff and then I'll be off on a metaphysics tangent for like a week. And then I'm like, OK, this is not really useful in my day to day life. So then I'll go back to more practical stuff and then more and more about how to live like a good human. I find myself going down those metaphors for before, you know, week, week or so at a time. I'd like to back up. They're going to switch gears, go back into something practical. But with respect to information theory, I was that's something I've been learning about over the past week or so. There is a CEO on Amazon Primary Channel in Amazon Prime like eight bucks extra a month called the Great Courses, which is hands down the most amazing thing ever. It's something like eight bucks extra a month and Amazon Prime. And they just they have some of the best courses that it's phenomenal. And they're about 40 minute long episodes and you'll have about thirty five episodes for one entire class. The class that I'm in right now, it's called The Science of Information. So it's just information three from the ground up and did not realize how much probability is baked into information theory, which to me was fascinating because like probabilities like my favorite my favorite subject. Speaker1: [00:43:51] So I just absolutely love that they have they've got other really, really useful courses. They've got an entire thirty five part lecture on doing mental math. They've got about thirty five part lecture on big data and analytics, which was just everything was super intuitive. I loved it. So definitely I highly recommend that if you guys get a chance to um, they've got classes on philosophy, history, all sorts of interesting things. Um well worth an x ray dollars a month if you already have Amazon Prime. Joseph, Joseph, Joshua, you were unmuted. So go for it if you want. Take over. Also see our friend elkies in the building. OK, good to see you again Joshua. If you got a question, go for it. I think you're muted because you, um, just background noise. But if you don't have a question that is completely OK as well. No, no question. Yeah. From Joshua Wright on information three men. That thing is super, super, super relevant. Super interesting. Did not realize that it was a lot of probability theory. They go way from from fundamentals. You get an intuition for what entropy is within two episodes. Um, which I never gained weight. I just by reading about it. Um, so that's it's super fascinating. Question from Cristoff. Go for it. Speaker3: [00:45:08] That's actually a little bit of a follow up of our previous topic about learning and many of you mentioned teaching to teach stuff. And then I have got a question about tips about teaching. I mean, how to become a better teacher, because I believe I struggle with explaining things I'd love to show. I know. But even here, when somebody has a question, I try to answer and I feel that I mean, I don't explain it like the easy way. And maybe it's because of my English right now, because I don't feel comfortable speaking about everything. But I also feel like that I'm lost when I'm trying to explain something. So maybe you've got some tips or some sources who I could check. Speaker1: [00:46:03] Yeah, your English is fine. Don't worry about that. I can understand you perfectly clear, but go for it. Speaker2: [00:46:10] So I think when it comes to explaining things in a great way, there's there's two sides of it. There's like this one side of life, you know, it's easier to teach them to like a mastery of things. Some on the other side of, like, I love to teach, to learn things. And if I'm just a little bit further than the other person, like, I should feel comfortable teaching. So I think being comfortable not being a master to teach, that's not another thing. It is covid-19 that other people like. Another key thing is that like many times I give great explanations. It's not off the top of my head. I put out a lot of work up front and a lot of that work is specifically like who is my audience and really meeting them where they're at. So if I am talking to a bunch of Data scientists, then I'm doing my research talk, talk and the jargon that everyone understand. But if I'm going to speaking to like business executives who understand the business really well, I do not understand the Data stuff. Right. You know, I have to bridge that gap. And so even though I know the answers from my analysis or work I'm doing, I'm spending a significant amount of time reworking like what does this mean to someone who doesn't understand? Why is he right? What's a simple way? That's not like that won't be a slap in the face in a way like make it too simple. We're like really get the point across. And then I rework that. I read it over, I read it to other people and said there's a lot of preparation where when you go to have that conversation, it comes this team, seamless as it is, naturally a great speaker. But the reality is I spent a lot of time up front doing my research and reworking and workshopping things to get into a solid explanation. Yeah. Speaker1: [00:47:51] And I would add to that that's phenomenal advice. And one thing you could do to facilitate what Mark saying is when you are learning something, imagine yourself teaching it as you're learning it. Right. So take notes, do your thing that sit back and reflect Koufos to teach somebody how to explain it in the simplest way and then think about how you would explain it and maybe write it down and just go through that thought experiment. That's something that I find to be useful as well. It's as I am learning something, pretend that I have to teach that right away, how would I teach it. But I had a lot of good years. Well, let's hear from you. Go for it. Go for Mark real quick. Speaker2: [00:48:27] One last thing, John. The thing about like not having a master to, like, teach the class scenario where that clip for me is. I was talking to someone who basically wrote this book, like the de facto book on some type of technology. I forgot what it was, but essentially they're like, yeah, I, I didn't know. I just taught myself to write the book because I thought it'd would be an interesting market. People want it. So he taught himself to write the book. He wasn't his master. Now it's like in the back. It looks like after I saw that I was like, oh, you can teach anything to be able to explain away. I be able to take it up. Speaker1: [00:48:59] Yeah, exactly. That's a that's a secret, too, of the expert industries that you can be an expert. Anything just put in the work. But in the study, write about it, get clear, thinking about it, and then also do an expert in it. Like I admire people like that who set out to conquer a topic by writing about it was like, yeah, I'm going I'm going to be the expert on quantum information theory. How do I do that? I'll fucking write a book and I'll start there and work my way up. Let's go to Austin. Speaker2: [00:49:27] I've thought about that all that I used to teach at the college level. I like English kind of one on ones like writing and composition. So writing arguments, things like that. And I think for me, when I struggled the most is when I can feel my brain speeding up. And I think like really analytical thinkers and deep thinkers, a lot of times they start outpacing like what the next step is or like what the very next. And I think Mark's point about considering the audience is super important with this, where when I so I've done a lot of work as an editor of a technical blog where writing about anything from Data science to machine learning to mobile development, augmented reality, a text based. And one of the things I learned through editing and working with contributing writers was that when I could get folks to say, OK, just ask the question, if you every every sort of every sentence or every couple of sentences, like what is the next thing my audience needs to know, like what is the absolute next step? And even if it seems like you're overexplaining, just slowing yourself down into that process of asking yourself and reflecting what's the next thing that they need to know? What's the next step? This person needs to follow it. Slow your brain down a little bit. And, you know, things you might take for granted are things you've learned that you might sort of have internalized that other folks have not internalized yet. That can help you tease out what those things are. It's like if you if you were telling someone how to make a turkey and cheese sandwich. Right. And you actually giving the step by step instructions of that, if you were to list out every single step by step instruction of that and say what's the very next thing that someone needs to learn that could turn into a 10 page description of what? I'm not saying that you want everything to be a 10 page description of how to make a sandwich. Speaker2: [00:51:02] What I'm saying is that slowing down teases out what inside of your knowledge is like implicit into something you internalized versus something that I need to be more explicit about explaining this, because where my audience is entering is they don't have this learned context that I've learned over time. So, like part of it is that slowing down and being methodical about thinking of your audience with each step of the way. And I think the writing to learn is a great way to do that because you actually have to write out those steps. Right. And like, if you're talking about a regression or something like that, you want to teach someone the basics of that you have to go through and like each step of the way. And so I think that sort of mental processes always helped me because I used to just get in lectures way out in front of myself and talk about rhetorical theory. And I haven't even talked about like, what's the point of a topic sentence. Right. So I think that's that's one thing that I learned in my years of teaching that was super, super helpful for me. Is that slowing myself down a little bit because I'm just like an ideas person, I'm an over thinker and that like simplifying that down and getting rid of some of my own complexity. Speaker1: [00:51:59] It what's that said some pro tips right there, man. I really like that. That just makes it super concrete and simple to think about it like. So if you were to combine everyone's advice, it's take into consideration the audience, pretend that you're teaching as you're learning and always focus on what is the next thing that this person needs to know in order to craft this thing. Speaker2: [00:52:19] I think it's a perfect question. Thank you for asking about that. Advice that you've given is perfect. I have the same problem, but the problem is I tend to open tabs in my head. So I have a conversation. I'm rambling through, I'm rambling through. Then halfway I start having a conversation with myself in the middle. I forget it. I was explaining like, I'll explain it, then jump to the end, had some of the conversations internally and have them outside. Then wonder why you're not catching up with me. Then again, I have to do that. But I have a lot of times open, a lot of the times that I'm talking to myself a lot like a crazy person. But it's just Speaker1: [00:52:52] Happy to talk about I know what you're talking about in a good way to start getting fewer mental tabs is to just start getting fewer physical tabs on your laptop device and start by just closing the tabs on your actual Google Chrome browser. And then you'll you'll notice that suddenly the tab started kind of dissipating in your mind because you only want to have one tab open at a time. Just just clear thinking, a calm mind, a calm mind. The happy disposition will take you a long way when it comes to trying to just be a good human, I think. But I know exactly what you're talking about with that metal tabs. Now, that happens to me quite frequently, but I find that parts helpful, like at the very beginning of doing something right, like trying to connect dots between things like this thing that I'm learning about what it reminds me of. This reminds me of this. And and then it can help solidify that that understanding if you're able to connect it to different things. Um, marketing. Mindfulness is the key for that. Yeah, absolutely, Ali. Speaker2: [00:53:52] Yeah, it's it's that Dabbs, as important as you mentioned, I think when we're learning stuff, I find myself opening a tab, just one tab when I talk to someone. But I then take this stuff for like five, five minutes. For example, the coalition I'm like, oh, by the way, all this I said, this is just for this one little boy. So sometimes I get carried away, but not so many times when I will pray for you. But that improves for you. But again, it shows that you're the person and you have like a mother thing on those. I think that might be even special. But again, that's important for us for us to think of the person in front of us, the audience, what what really do they care about? They care about me talking about this thing for five minutes. Just for me to remember this small point. I mean, again, it depends on who we're talking to, if it's a family member or if it's a friend, that we can go on the tangent for a little bit more time. But if it's like a lecture, I mean, no, we cannot do that. We have to be well-prepared and make sure that we. Just one step for the one audience, so I'm sure that the that these things are taking into consideration naturally. And so maybe that will take a little bit of pressure off of us. But like I do about this with my with my parents or my relatives, with my friends, but not with like an audience, like a lecture, for example, I would not I would clearly open just one for the Speaker1: [00:55:31] Victims this year from from Mark and after Mark. Let's go to Alkyl. He has some some good tips here in the chat. So, Mark, and then we'll go to Elche. Speaker2: [00:55:40] First of all, as long as I love the analogy of Tab's in your head and everything like that, it's always described as having like 20 conversations going on in my head and tab seems much more socially acceptable. And so something that I do, I mentioned mindfulness, but give it like an actual step to like how to tell you AIs mindfulness is that, say, for instance, you're having a conversation, you want to do active listening, really want to engage with this person. But you're you're starting to hear this conversation internally creep up. Right. And you're like, oh, my gosh, I guess you probably inspired that, having such a great conversation. You probably inspired by all these different things. There's this skill called noting note that you're like, oh, I'm thinking about that. And then go back to back to the conversation. Right. And you're going to notice that you're a know over and over and over again. And that's OK, because over time, you're sure you're going to train your mind to automatically say, like, oh, I'm thinking about something, let me bring it back. Right. And then the next step is after, you know, mentally imagine it like that thought just moving away and you bring yourself back into focusing on it. And you mindfulness. When I first started doing mindfulness, I've always been somewhat focused like this is going to work and it's like doing like exercise for your brain to really get that real focus. And it's it's super, super helpful. And I definitely notice when I don't do this, I'm all over the place. Speaker1: [00:57:04] That's it. I like that tip of note and get something to do with it. Doesn't make sense to do and have a conversation with somebody. But when I'm thinking about many things or if I'm in the process of doing something, I always have like a pen and paper, I'll just like quickly write it down just to to outsource it. And that that helps. But at that there's some great tips, I would say, man, like for me, I'm trying to get to mind lessness. That's what I'm trying to go for. Just complete stillness of the mind. That's that's sort of what I'm trying to go to. But OK, let's let's hear from you some great, great tips here in the chat. Yeah. Speaker2: [00:57:36] So first, I agree with what Mike is saying. My yoga teacher used to always say, like, imagine your thoughts as clouds passing by and you can see them and you are aware of them, but you don't have to react to them. You can just let them go away, which I think is great if you need to be present in a moment like in that conversation. But I also sometimes tend to do the opposite when I have the time and when I'm on my own, maybe going for a walk or something and just let my thoughts ramble and just think about anything and jumping from topic to topic so that I don't have these thoughts notes. It then opens up and I can just I trust that I have thought of everything, every aspect that I wanted to think about in a later time. And I can then focus on the topic at hand when I'm with people discussing it or working on the topic in depth or something like that. Speaker1: [00:58:21] Yes, an important point. Having that time to let your mind wander is extremely critical for making new connections in the brain. There's like the guys doesn't have that that phenomenon where you're not by your desk, but you walk away and all of a sudden the answer comes to you. Right. That's because your subconscious still kind of churning through it. I talk about something similar to what we're discussing right now with the topic at hand in an interview I did with Alex paying. So go check that out. Alex paying. He wrote a couple of really interesting books. One's called Schauder. One is called Rest. And we go really deep into just the cognitive processes that go on. When when we take a break from stuff, let's hear from Christophe. Speaker3: [00:59:03] I just wanted to say it's funny because we're talking about how our mind wanders and drifts off. My question was about teaching and we're talking about mindfulness. Speaker1: [00:59:17] So you have had that's why that's why I don't that's why I don't like stopping questions. I like to keep them going just to see how they unravel and how they unfold and where we end up. But, yeah, it is interesting, no question about how to teach going to Tab's in the Mind. And now here are any other. Oh yeah, I'll Speaker2: [00:59:38] Go for it. I would just also say that there is a counter point to this, which is part of teaching is I've learned is teaching your students or whoever is the stakeholders are as I like how to think. Right. And there are like AIs. I'm thinking of the writing process, which is what I taught. And there were there were more generative parts of the writing process. Right. There's more of those times where you need to be able to create associations between different points in an argument versus other times where you need to be able to construct a sentence that's clearly. Getting what you want to say, so I think there's room for both, and it's really about it's an empathy question. Ultimately, I think when you're teaching when you're trying to deliver information to someone else like Mark Sedlack, meeting people where they're at is like the kind of, I think, the right way to think about that. And then that's where I was like, OK, is someone blocked? They need a generative moment. How do you teach that? How do you teach the more constructive, like nuts and bolts pieces of it? So I think both of those things are super important. You're teaching it just depends on the domain and what what your audience or the person of the stakeholder needs. Speaker1: [01:00:35] Yeah, definitely a.. I see some good comments from you in the chats. And yet I'm assuming you're done with your with your job. So if you want to share what you're talking about in the chat, I'd love to hear from you because some good tips here. Speaker2: [01:00:45] Yeah, well, still here. But if I'm not so winded, I don't even remember what I wrote. Yeah. About writing those things down and then coming back later Speaker3: [01:00:58] To see if there were really just garbage Speaker2: [01:01:00] Or if there's actually something worth exploring, more out of them, out of the head of the mind. Yeah. If you're really concentrating on something else like what you're actually supposed to be doing. Speaker1: [01:01:13] Yeah. Yeah. For anybody who's interested, there's a methodology called Getting Things Done, which is all about trying to come to a clean, clear mind. And I was following the methodology for a little bit and it helped, but I just took bits of it that worked for me and bits of it that that didn't. I just left to the wayside. Christophe has a very cute baby in the picture. Nice to see you. I so if anybody has any last minute questions, now is the time to go for it. If not, I'm going to stall for a minute or two. Thank you guys so much for taking time out of schedule to come hang out with me today. I will come back next weekend. Next Sunday. Right. Austin, I know that the invite doesn't have the dates on there, but that's because when you set up the event, I think you can only do like X number of events, you know, in a row or whatever. But next Sunday we will still be here at the same time. Speaker2: [01:02:13] Absolutely. We'll get the leg switched up and make sure Harpreet Sahota I talk to you. I'm working on the exact process of going happen, but we're well aware of it. And it's a process. Speaker1: [01:02:21] Yeah, definitely. And just a heads up, this probably will be a bit late on the podcast. I know I usually upload these particular episodes on Thursday, but I'm taking the week off. So this will be uploaded on Sunday of next week, this particular session, um, just in case you guys want to go back in and listen in on some of the awesome stuff we talked about today. Thanks so much for coming and hanging out. Really appreciate having you guys here. Take care. Have a good rest of the day. Afternoon, evening, morning. Whatever time it is where you're at. Appreciate having you here. Remember, you've got one life on this planet. One, I try to do some big cheers, everyone.