00;00;30;01 - 00;00;45;03 Speaker 1 What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Overachievers Gaming podcast. I am your host. Vass joined as always with the AC pastrami the the one the only the war hammer champion. 00;00;45;03 - 00;00;49;26 Speaker 2 That champ not really champion, but champion champion in my heart. 00;00;50;15 - 00;00;55;04 Speaker 1 You know the winner of many hearts and stories. 00;00;55;17 - 00;00;56;03 Speaker 2 We're not streaming. 00;00;56;03 - 00;00;57;10 Speaker 1 This. We're not streaming this now. 00;00;57;18 - 00;00;59;20 Speaker 2 Oh, oh, it's just you just recording. 00;01;00;11 - 00;01;06;03 Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Because. Because it gives people a reason attention to afterwards. 00;01;06;03 - 00;01;10;08 Speaker 2 Well, and us, we're. We're the reason, right? 00;01;10;25 - 00;01;11;10 Speaker 1 Absolutely The. 00;01;11;10 - 00;01;18;26 Speaker 2 Reason. All seven of our fans keep coming back. You know, I'll say this. So those seven fans are loyal. 00;01;18;26 - 00;01;20;25 Speaker 1 If they are on point. 00;01;22;17 - 00;01;33;12 Speaker 2 Let's, you know, let's give big shot them real quick. We got him out I'd say bitch Big Papa OSU Gen our boy Hutch. 00;01;33;26 - 00;01;34;06 Speaker 1 Hooch. 00;01;34;06 - 00;01;46;29 Speaker 2 Stand hellfire. You know, we you know we're we're pretty lucky we got we got some good homies in here, you know. But I mention you. It's because I'm tired. I haven't eaten yet. And you're eating your. 00;01;47;06 - 00;01;48;01 Speaker 1 You're eating haven't. 00;01;49;26 - 00;01;52;06 Speaker 2 Even. I think people talk honestly on the phone. 00;01;52;06 - 00;01;52;21 Speaker 1 Yeah, I think. 00;01;53;02 - 00;01;56;20 Speaker 2 I'll just go. Let's go to the club later tonight. And how do they do that? 00;01;56;20 - 00;01;59;00 Speaker 1 You know, you're like, you know, that's like microphone taker, like. 00;01;59;23 - 00;02;01;25 Speaker 2 Every so and all. 00;02;04;29 - 00;02;33;26 Speaker 2 Hey, how about that show, though? You know what show? Last of us, you mean here's here's a problem I've been having before we get this episode three, which was a fuckin banger, my dude, he's probably been doing that. I've obviously, if you don't know, I haven't played the game. I haven't played Las Vegas. Charlie Bash, Our great our, our our gracious leader gave me a appreciation for pro what was it last year. 00;02;33;26 - 00;02;38;22 Speaker 2 Right. A year before I remember for the PS4 pro this cool right before they didn't really No. 00;02;38;22 - 00;02;41;14 Speaker 1 No no after I was once I got my ps5 so middle a. 00;02;41;25 - 00;03;05;14 Speaker 2 Yeah gave me pause and I have not played every PlayStation game I should I there's a lot of things I have to go back to. I have the last year yet so when this show Oh God are you frozen. Oh you're there. Oh good though. I'm good. Oh, you froze for a second. Really weird. When the show was announced, I was like, Oh, maybe I'll try to play it real quick. 00;03;05;15 - 00;03;24;18 Speaker 2 I didn't want to do that because I wanted to give it his time and deserve to. Decided to play after the show is done. But here's the problem. The show, an episode happens and I can't not look on the internet and people are like, Oh, well, like this, you know, it's crazy. They did this instead of that, the game or whatever, whatever. 00;03;25;03 - 00;03;46;08 Speaker 2 Also, before we get too far, obviously you see the title of this. There are heavy spoilers for three of this episode. So please, if you ever see episode three of The Last of US, don't listen. I mean, you know, you can listen, you can root for yourself, whatever. So I'm kind of like finding out what happened to the game just by proxy of watching the show. 00;03;46;08 - 00;04;24;04 Speaker 2 And obviously the show the show is based on the game, but it's not as we know, as you know, as someone who's played the game, it's not like scene by scene from the game. But that being said, very close. The show narratively is just so good in this episode. I understand that from the game perspective. You know, we'll ever see Frank in the bill that we see is a little bit more curmudgeonly and mean and has like, you know, the kind of insinuations this is who Joel can become if he doesn't have someone to ground him like Ellie or whatever. 00;04;24;27 - 00;04;47;09 Speaker 2 I know that we don't see that. We see like a small snippet of it and we don't get to see the interactions of Bill with Ellie and Joel when when they come up to the two. It's a little mini town, but like, Oh, I don't give a shit. Oh my God. What? I didn't know that. I didn't know that a what's what's Ron Swanson's got actors name. 00;04;47;09 - 00;04;52;20 Speaker 2 Jesus Christ. No, What's his name? Oh, my God. 00;04;52;25 - 00;04;53;12 Speaker 1 Oh, my God. 00;04;53;14 - 00;05;21;06 Speaker 2 That's not Ron. It's Nick Offerman. Oh, my God. Like what? What an actor. Like what? What an actor. And I feel like it's funny because when you look back at I do like roasts of people and I don't really give a shit right now. If you look back at Parks and Rec, he made a fucking the hardcore selfish, libertarian, likable, and like had some humanity in him. 00;05;21;12 - 00;05;39;27 Speaker 2 And like this man can act. We just never knew it because we just saw him as fucking Ron Swanson. Like, oh, whatever. But like when you look back at that, you're like, Oh my God. I mean, it was acting and really just like, nailed that episode. I think I really, really enjoyed because I haven't, you know, I, I'm coming on episode three of our discussion here. 00;05;40;04 - 00;05;58;06 Speaker 2 I think what I'm really enjoying is the first few episodes that I'm really curious to see from this point on, like, isn't this show yet? You know what I mean? Like, we are just seeing all of the precursors. So in my mind, like episode four is when the fucking like The Last of US is about to start. You know what I mean? 00;05;58;17 - 00;06;17;07 Speaker 2 Especially from Do you watch the trailers the end of the next episode? Yeah. Especially based on like, you know, the teaser we got for them. So it's like, yo, it's about, it's like about to be like, real. Now. What about Ali? Yeah, because everything we've seen so far is like, wonderful back story building. Like, like world building too. 00;06;18;04 - 00;06;34;22 Speaker 2 I feel like sometimes when shows have like strong world building episodes, like in the start of it, it's like kind of slow in your kind of guy or whatever. But like they I think they've hit every nail on the head very well in terms of like keeping me interested without even having the fucking show start yet, you know what I mean? 00;06;34;22 - 00;06;45;18 Speaker 2 Like in reality, because every episode I'm like, there's a part of me that is like upset that they don't have the whole, the whole season out at once. And a part of me that's very happy because I think the longer they go through it. 00;06;45;25 - 00;06;47;27 Speaker 1 Why do these episode exactly? 00;06;49;12 - 00;07;06;00 Speaker 2 But yeah wow like truly great direction great acting, great writing so and your perspective like as someone who has played the games like obviously I kind of what happened is cause I looked at it I looked at my brother how do you how do you feel about the three as like a divergent from what the the game was. 00;07;06;01 - 00;07;30;13 Speaker 1 So I really like Neil Druckman opinion on this very thing and I resonate with it very well where he says that if the story is better, if the what it wasn't, if the if the if the story of the game is better than what we've come up with, we don't we don't change a thing. We stick to the story. 00;07;30;22 - 00;07;57;23 Speaker 1 But if what we've come up with is better than the game, then we deviate. And I really like that approach and I think more people should because The Last of US is such a story driven game and such a good narrative. It has so many like it just fires on all cylinders across the board. There's so many different aspects of life, society, love, religion, whatever that it has to. 00;07;57;23 - 00;08;19;24 Speaker 1 It has to stay true to its nature. But they also have room to improve and room to change things because in reality, like, you're not going to have like as much as chef. And I wanted there to be the gymnasium scene with the blotter, like that's not that wasn't going to be feasible in this context because we didn't we didn't know what the what bills, you know, what that episode three is going to be about. 00;08;19;24 - 00;08;24;08 Speaker 1 We had no idea. We just knew that Bill was in it and Frank was in it. And great to know more about Frank. We didn't think that we were going to. 00;08;24;15 - 00;08;27;27 Speaker 2 Get because you don't see Frank at all in that in the game, right? No, I just know that he bounced. 00;08;28;09 - 00;08;48;07 Speaker 1 Well, you well, you see him when you meet Frank, he's already dead. So he hung himself. And you know, Bill and Joel find him because he, like to leave and he got beat and offensive. And then I like how everyone on the Internet, like, well, we didn't know what sexuality was like. Who. Who the fuck cares? It's a love story. 00;08;48;10 - 00;08;58;27 Speaker 2 So I went back and looked like this Motherfuckers are gay. Like, are you like they were fucking gay? Like, just to sit here and be like, Well, we didn't know they were gay. They didn't tell us they were gay. It's like. 00;08;58;27 - 00;09;02;10 Speaker 1 Then you didn't read any of the notes in the game as they. 00;09;02;10 - 00;09;03;19 Speaker 2 Were fucking there. They were gay. 00;09;03;26 - 00;09;05;28 Speaker 1 Also, who cares? Who gives a fuck of. 00;09;05;28 - 00;09;28;02 Speaker 2 Is obviously who cares? But like the people who are going to have harsh criticisms about this episode don't actually care how much I wear this. It's hard for me not to just be like, if you see this episode, are you just homophobic? Because it was like it was a phenomenal episode. Everything about it fucking tracked, you know, great, great writing, great directing, all of it. 00;09;28;05 - 00;10;07;12 Speaker 2 It was plug and tight. But I think the part about that, I think that's what you said is actually a huge part because the fucking builder, he like this isn't like George R.R. Martin. Like, like in Game of Thrones shit, Like there is full creative control with with Neil Druckmann from Last of US into the show. So it's not like this is like some fucking Hollywood divergent shit, but he is like the thing for I say this every time we ever talk about anything that's been adapted, anything cinematic because my adapted from a book, a comic, a videogame, whatever has this has to be treated differently from the source material because you can't you can't 00;10;07;24 - 00;10;32;04 Speaker 2 always go scene by scene, line by line, panel by panel, you know, whatever to say to cinema, whether it be a show or movie you can't like, there's so many aspects that go into making something live action that people don't think about. Like it costs 100,000 every second or some shit. The Dragon was on Game of Thrones, like on, you know what I mean? 00;10;32;11 - 00;10;50;12 Speaker 2 So like, it would have been cool. There is some fucking blood or fight. Of course it was. But that's just got to be saved. We don't we don't know, like how much they should cost to literally render these. Like we got two clickers in the second episode, which was cool. We don't how much that costs. That could have been the entire budget that episode like. 00;10;51;11 - 00;11;08;27 Speaker 2 So I mean, I think that those are things that people ought to think about too. But yeah, the fact that this is full, I also read something about there was a director's cut of that episode that was like 2 hours long or something like that. Yeah. And everyone that watched it like was crying their eyes out or something. 00;11;08;27 - 00;11;09;06 Speaker 2 I don't. 00;11;09;06 - 00;11;09;24 Speaker 1 See that. 00;11;10;00 - 00;11;12;13 Speaker 2 I know. I'm curious how we can view that, but. 00;11;12;13 - 00;11;24;21 Speaker 1 I'm sure they'll be able to once the season's over, I'm sure they'll release it. So yeah, maybe in a DVD I'm I might actually buy this. I don't buy physical media like, at all, but I will buy this on 4K Blu ray. 00;11;25;03 - 00;11;27;25 Speaker 2 They tell us. I think every episode has director's cut like 100%. 00;11;27;25 - 00;11;34;28 Speaker 1 Yeah, I even still just my bike because it's excellent. And the sound design, the cinematography is on point like everything is firing on all cylinders. 00;11;35;13 - 00;11;38;14 Speaker 2 Visually, it's so good. Do you who shot this? 00;11;39;02 - 00;11;44;25 Speaker 1 You go and go I think it's and go. Can't remember his name. I'm looking at. 00;11;45;17 - 00;11;49;00 Speaker 2 It like it is good the whole. 00;11;49;20 - 00;11;57;06 Speaker 1 Whole season. It's three is on this entire season so it's totally different crews and they're just all of them are killing it It's right excellent. 00;11;57;29 - 00;12;06;04 Speaker 2 There is always Oh yeah throughout all this shit that's on the bottom. So we have ever been a bit Voltaire? 00;12;06;04 - 00;12;06;24 Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay. 00;12;07;17 - 00;12;14;21 Speaker 2 Seniors are in the Dean Carlson album that fucking these episodes all but okay, there are these names that but. 00;12;16;12 - 00;12;19;04 Speaker 1 Once that is a young DP, she's only 29. 00;12;20;08 - 00;12;26;17 Speaker 2 Oh yeah. I think that's yeah. Oh yeah, I think it's Ksenia. 00;12;26;18 - 00;12;30;03 Speaker 1 Ksenia I guess. I know I have a friend of mine who's gapping a movie while. 00;12;30;04 - 00;12;41;26 Speaker 2 She did Chernobyl. Yeah, she did some shit too. Yeah. And then, yeah, this dude, Evan, he did a oh, he's apparently or he shot four episodes. Not all for it. So it's okay. 00;12;42;12 - 00;12;47;27 Speaker 1 Yeah. It's been different because they've been alternate because, like, with this kind of show, like you, the way for anyone who's curious about, like, why. 00;12;47;28 - 00;12;49;20 Speaker 2 Alternate on the show on television. 00;12;49;20 - 00;12;51;02 Speaker 1 I'm happy to tell you. 00;12;51;02 - 00;12;52;14 Speaker 2 I know this one. I want to set you up. 00;12;53;00 - 00;13;14;02 Speaker 1 So the idea is you have a for a for a show to be really successful and for a show like this because you need world, we're all building. You have sets to build, yet the light you have to plan. You have to do all these sort of things. You need to come in prepared. You just can't come in and wing it because as Dom said, it's like, you know, a dragons on a scene for on the screen for 100 and cost, you know, $100,000 second for every time it's been on street scene. 00;13;14;10 - 00;13;35;18 Speaker 1 You also got to come prepared you got to make sure that you're planning your days. Right. If you're shooting outside, you have to take into account the direction of the sun and where you're shooting, etc.. And so the idea is if you have multiple DPS, like as you're shooting, the other DPS are prepping, they're prepping their scenes, they're going and doing tech scouts are doing all the stuff, they're getting things together, they're rehearsing, they're. 00;13;35;18 - 00;13;36;01 Speaker 2 Tearing. 00;13;36;13 - 00;13;56;10 Speaker 1 Lighting setups. And so typically what you do is you have, you know, a shooting deep in. Then you have a prepping DP that's normal. You have two DPS on TV shows, but for this they're probably doing three because there's a lot of things incorporated. So they're working with art department in planning on where lights are going to be, how it's going to look, colors, renditions, all this sort of stuff. 00;13;56;19 - 00;14;12;13 Speaker 1 So they're going about it the correct way and not just sticking to two, but really making sure that everyone has, you know, the the capabilities to get what they need. I mean, also, like there might have been honestly, it might have been the only one DP for the pilot and then it's two DPS for the rest of the. 00;14;12;22 - 00;14;13;04 Speaker 2 Road. 00;14;13;06 - 00;14;30;03 Speaker 1 The rest of the series, which could have been like someone comes in, sets the look, they kind of do their thing, and then the other ones kind of do either they do their own thing or they keep to the style of the show. So but anyway, it's, it's, it's just so good. So anyway, do you want to go through a little quick rundown, a quick recap of everything? 00;14;30;03 - 00;14;30;26 Speaker 1 I have some notes. 00;14;32;04 - 00;14;35;02 Speaker 2 I mean, yeah, if you like. I'd love. 00;14;35;16 - 00;14;36;13 Speaker 1 To. It's up to you. 00;14;36;13 - 00;14;54;10 Speaker 2 I don't really care because I It's funny because this is how I actually work as a producer, which sounds like chaos, but like, I don't ever do notes and shit. I just it's like, almost because I'm actually a pretty, like, put together person in my personal life. But for some reason, any time it's something like that. Anyway, professional by the seat of my pants and I. 00;14;54;10 - 00;15;01;11 Speaker 1 Never I'm the complete opposite. I'm quite literally the completely I am so like punctual and and doing other stuff for. 00;15;01;12 - 00;15;03;01 Speaker 2 Well, I'm punctual personally. 00;15;03;09 - 00;15;06;02 Speaker 1 Oh, I'm not punctual. First line of work. Absolutely. 00;15;06;10 - 00;15;14;22 Speaker 2 That's funny. But I mean, I make it work though. Maybe. And I let's, let's go through your notes and we can talk about it. We go through the recap and. 00;15;14;24 - 00;15;16;12 Speaker 1 I got all all my notes right here. 00;15;16;12 - 00;15;18;21 Speaker 2 So are you watching it? You're like. 00;15;20;00 - 00;15;24;01 Speaker 1 Okay, no. So here's what I mean. I mean, it's it's a lot it's a lot of notes. A lot. 00;15;24;01 - 00;15;26;14 Speaker 2 And Jesus Christ. Ed, did you watch the episode? 00;15;26;14 - 00;15;36;14 Speaker 1 I did, no. So what I do is I go through just whenever we watch TV, like we like to watch an episode and then we like to watch a recap thing of like some people, maybe somebody thinks about something differently than we did. 00;15;37;00 - 00;15;38;08 Speaker 2 Or like, like a YouTube video is. 00;15;38;15 - 00;15;41;09 Speaker 1 Our go to is screen crush just because we really like it. 00;15;41;09 - 00;15;44;29 Speaker 2 I know that I do Emergency. Awesome. It's funny you talk about that. 00;15;45;04 - 00;15;52;14 Speaker 1 Because I do the same thing. I can't stand the guy's voice on emergency. Emergency. Really you just to monotone for me, it's just like. 00;15;52;14 - 00;15;56;18 Speaker 2 I don't know, I kind of. I kind of like the monotone. I guess I'm not there to, like. 00;15;57;23 - 00;15;59;28 Speaker 1 Highly recommend screencast if you just like. 00;16;00;08 - 00;16;00;24 Speaker 2 I'm familiar. 00;16;00;24 - 00;16;14;23 Speaker 1 I'm familiar it just like you like his his jokes. He also he we always try to figure out where he's going to throw in your mom joke, which is everything he does it every single one is so funny It's like it's like and this clicker over here is your mom and it's just like, it's not so funny anyway. 00;16;15;16 - 00;16;44;21 Speaker 1 So yeah, I it's just this I have so many notes on, like, everything that happened and I don't, I don't know, I just go through them. But I really just love that they just incorporate so much from, you know, this whole, you know, from the game, whether it's like dialog or just like little motifs and whatnot. I really like how, you know, and they start off the episode like, just like, you know, I've never been through the woods, which is exactly she says in the game because it's realistic, like, you know. 00;16;44;24 - 00;16;52;13 Speaker 2 Oh my God, yeah. Even like, play the game. The amount of like line they take from the game are like, it's seamless. Yeah, seamless. It feels good and it feels good. 00;16;52;13 - 00;16;52;26 Speaker 1 It doesn't. 00;16;52;26 - 00;16;56;22 Speaker 2 Feel forced. Yeah. Now it feels good. Feels very good. It feels very, very real. 00;16;57;03 - 00;17;03;07 Speaker 1 Yeah. Because it's like, you know, they never walk through the woods. Like, you don't bring up tests. Ever talk about the same rules about, like, you paid. 00;17;03;07 - 00;17;12;05 Speaker 2 To do what you did. There's this. I forgot what video was, but there's a side by side from that scene and the game. And I was like, Yeah, that's. That's it. That was it. That's tape. 00;17;12;15 - 00;17;48;10 Speaker 1 Yeah. And then they have like little things about it wasn't moral combat in the game, but it's something else but like you know they talk about that which would come back later in the season. We think there's just so many so many good things about this whole whole thing. So I don't know if we want to recap it at all, but like, I really like the opening shot and then like putting all the like the pattern together, like Joel putting the care together, it's kind of like a you know, he's also like resting his hand in like, it's like, kind of, like, not icing it, but, you know, it's an, a cool, probably a cool 00;17;48;10 - 00;17;59;28 Speaker 1 story. And he's just trying to like, you know, Yeah. Comparison. But the really takes a lot on that. I just like had flashbacks from when I was doing all the Assassin's Creed stuff. They had like you have to like Rock Charon Building as one of the trophy achievements. I was like. 00;18;00;10 - 00;18;00;26 Speaker 2 Oh really? 00;18;00;26 - 00;18;16;21 Speaker 1 Anyway, but, but, but yeah, it's just like there is. But I like the little, little deviation of like, you mean you have that little side that Cumberland Farms place where like, you kind of go in and ravage and scavenge for gear and stuff and you're. 00;18;16;21 - 00;18;19;03 Speaker 2 Trying to in the game where she kills the she kills the. 00;18;19;16 - 00;18;33;25 Speaker 1 No, no, I did not necessarily. I mean, she does on her own, but like the it's not what they were doing is like, you know, they go in, they try to find stuff that's like already picked apart. You're trying to find like one or two scraps. Right. And that's just very similar. You know, It's just like it was a nice nod to it. 00;18;34;07 - 00;18;55;00 Speaker 1 Not necessarily have to be the same exact thing, but it's just a nice like, hey, this is like a more realistic version of what actually people did in the game. So but yeah, like the whole thing with like I didn't know how the whole like going underneath the convenience store and seeing that the infected in there was going to play out. 00;18;55;00 - 00;19;02;10 Speaker 1 But man, what can you just say that like the prosthetics and the so the special effects are so good. It's just everything in this game. 00;19;03;02 - 00;19;22;14 Speaker 2 It's like, you know, and that brings to you real quick a point. Oh, yes. Dinnerstein here. There is to a point that out of all of the like of the a post-apocalyptic movie, like movies and shows and games that we have, this is one of the few where I've ever been like, you know, this shit like, like kind of real. 00;19;22;14 - 00;19;28;11 Speaker 2 Like, of course, I saw the first episode. I really was like, What the fuck? How can they go to, you know? 00;19;28;27 - 00;19;29;22 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. 00;19;30;28 - 00;19;58;17 Speaker 2 Because. Because, like, this makes me. I think maybe that's about me. Can't wait because it's always like some fucking bullshit, like zombie virus or some, like, labs. It's always like some bullshit. And this is like mutated fungus. I got into the, the the grain and then boom. Yeah, around the world. And it happened because of global warming. And you're just sitting there like. 00;19;58;17 - 00;20;04;19 Speaker 1 Like, not now is like this is and there was and we're still in the middle of a pandemic. You're like, uh, uh. 00;20;06;10 - 00;20;10;02 Speaker 2 You know, Valerie is growing a fungus. It's really funny, though, because she's like this, you know, because she's. 00;20;10;02 - 00;20;13;29 Speaker 1 Like, make you have fungi. 00;20;13;29 - 00;20;38;07 Speaker 2 I got to go. But it's really funny watching her because she, like, that's how quadriceps look, you know, or whatever, which is really funny. But that's all right. Can really? Yeah. Well, first of all, there's like hundreds of different species of course quadriceps, but like, the clickers are straight up. They're called a shelf fungi like quadriceps aren't that, you know? 00;20;38;08 - 00;20;52;08 Speaker 2 I mean, technically, even in, like the, the intro animation is that a fungus is a moss, which is even funnier. So like, just shit like that, It's just silly. She's a so she's part of the Mycological Society in New York. So she's like fungus person, you know? 00;20;53;09 - 00;20;59;29 Speaker 1 Of course. Of course. And someone was going to find, like, fault with this show. I was not expecting it to be Mallory. They got really. 00;21;00;02 - 00;21;19;11 Speaker 2 Funny. Like after the second episode, she's like, Yeah, there's like good black fungus looks. Why would it why would the quadriceps mutate in that way? I was like, Okay, that's me. You're fucking probably in fantasy fucking world. Who knows how it could have fucking mutated. But you know, I don't know. There is. You got to suspend some disbelief, obviously. 00;21;19;29 - 00;21;25;15 Speaker 2 But yes, the prosthetic, the shit looks real. Looks. It's real. 00;21;26;01 - 00;21;41;14 Speaker 1 Yeah, it looks like it could really happen. Which is crazy. Yeah, well, without getting into all the craziness, because you try to keep these pretty short of, like, you know, half an hour or whatnot. So I don't want it. I'm not going to go through the entirety of the the breakdown and everything. What were your three favorite moments in the show in this episode? 00;21;42;29 - 00;21;46;29 Speaker 2 The transformation of Bill going from paranoid loner. 00;21;46;29 - 00;21;47;19 Speaker 1 Survivalist. 00;21;48;01 - 00;22;18;17 Speaker 2 Yeah. To being having some humanity, which is really cool. Actually. His the beginning montage of his survival shit was tight, like going Home Depot, turning on the gas, getting all set up and then yeah, then the transformation from that to like someone that has like feelings. And then also seeing Joel and Tess come in for the first time and told us being like, literally, because I think someone like Bill could be as prepared as he can be. 00;22;19;17 - 00;22;32;15 Speaker 2 Like have everything he thinks he needs and like, be good. But the dude's never been out in the world. So like Joel, who may not have all the shit that Bill does, is like, he's out in the world. He has experience. So he's like, Yeah, you're. I gave your fence about a year because. 00;22;32;15 - 00;22;32;24 Speaker 1 Yeah. 00;22;33;14 - 00;22;49;23 Speaker 2 Because Joel knows like, you know, I mean, I think, yeah, those were really great. And obviously the end God that ending shot with the window, you know I mean as we pan up to the building and then look out the window like, wow, what, what a shot. You know. 00;22;49;23 - 00;22;52;00 Speaker 1 The windows are a big theme in lots of us. 00;22;52;02 - 00;23;02;01 Speaker 2 So yeah, I wonder if it's like or some kind of like, what do they call it? There's like a thing, there's like some bees on something with windows and cinema and, and shit and frame. 00;23;02;01 - 00;23;02;17 Speaker 1 Within a frame. 00;23;03;10 - 00;23;11;09 Speaker 2 I guess. Yeah. But it's, there's something like an actual, a deeper thing there. I don't know what it is, but I'm sure that's, it's like some kind of thing like we're looking at like. 00;23;11;25 - 00;23;22;26 Speaker 1 The window of the society as we're leaving them behind as Joel Society dies, or the last thing of them in bed when Joel goes off to the future to embrace his destiny. What, The. 00;23;22;26 - 00;23;27;18 Speaker 2 Iliad? Yeah, that's it. That's the clip right there. That's. That's a wrap. 00;23;27;25 - 00;23;28;27 Speaker 1 There you go. All right, Thanks. 00;23;28;27 - 00;23;35;01 Speaker 2 So you later. Things around hanging out, but you're you're kind of not around that either. So. 00;23;35;01 - 00;23;35;11 Speaker 1 Yeah. 00;23;35;18 - 00;23;36;05 Speaker 2 Yeah. What about you? 00;23;36;20 - 00;24;00;17 Speaker 1 I think for me, it's always visually so, like, I mean, as much as I love the story and I think probably the story elements for me was how like, you know, when Bill, when Frank comes in and plays that the piano section and like he kind of does it his own stuff because like he's all jovial and he kind of plays it based on what he's feeling. 00;24;00;17 - 00;24;18;19 Speaker 1 It's just like, Yeah, this is great. This is how I envisioned the song. Then Bill's like, No, no, no, no, no, I want to play this. And then he like, kind of opens up to Frank a little bit and plays it how emotional he feels like. So we kind of get a glimpse as to what he's going through, like what's been piled up after three years, I think, right now. 00;24;18;19 - 00;24;22;16 Speaker 1 So like he finally gets to meet somebody who's not like a psychopath or whatever, Right? 00;24;22;16 - 00;24;22;29 Speaker 2 All right. 00;24;23;05 - 00;24;41;20 Speaker 1 And then he gets to open up and like, be vulnerable to somebody who he hasn't seen, he's never met, done feel, felt this way for anyone. Like he said, he's never been with anyone. So, like, it's very vulnerable to have somebody come in. Yeah. Suddenly you have these feelings and things for the first time and not to act on them. 00;24;41;24 - 00;24;49;04 Speaker 1 Then you're still closed off to the world. It's just. I don't know. It's just there's so much going on behind the scenes that's not said, which is excellent. 00;24;49;19 - 00;25;03;19 Speaker 2 Yeah, we saw that. That first part where he's like, Go take a shower and be like, Oh, this is about to rob them or kill him or something. And then it it's not that it was actually very sweet. So it's like, Oh, okay, I was expecting bad things happen, but yeah, I'm glad that's not the case. 00;25;03;19 - 00;25;08;11 Speaker 1 And visually I love Eve rater scene. I just like. 00;25;08;19 - 00;25;10;15 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just. 00;25;10;15 - 00;25;10;26 Speaker 1 Like, I. 00;25;10;27 - 00;25;11;12 Speaker 2 Love. 00;25;11;13 - 00;25;13;23 Speaker 1 That. Good silhouette. And I just really thought that. 00;25;13;26 - 00;25;14;14 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. 00;25;14;24 - 00;25;30;11 Speaker 1 You know how they did that And just like, you know, making it from Frank's perspective as he tries to find Bill, it's just like, Oh, that was great. And I think probably my other favorite was the strawberry scene. I just thought that was really great. Just the giggle, just the strawberries. You. 00;25;30;25 - 00;25;37;14 Speaker 2 You. But can you imagine that you like you have a strawberry. And at that point it was what, five years, I think, or that it was. 00;25;37;19 - 00;25;38;12 Speaker 1 Six years, I think. 00;25;38;25 - 00;25;55;24 Speaker 2 And it's just like I couldn't imagine, like it's something I easily take for granted. Like I have a strawberry, probably a couple of like I berries generally, probably like couple of times a month, you know, And I'm just thinking like, yo, if I have a strawberry for six years, like, holy shit, that would be like gold. That would be amazing. 00;25;55;24 - 00;25;56;21 Speaker 2 Probably. I don't know. 00;25;56;22 - 00;25;58;00 Speaker 1 Or anything sweet for that matter. 00;25;58;10 - 00;25;59;05 Speaker 2 Exactly. Yeah. 00;25;59;12 - 00;26;30;21 Speaker 1 Yeah, that's crazy. I don't know. And trying to try. I'm trying to rack my brain, but, like, cause everything was just so good. Like. Like it's really hard to do outside work. Well, like, I as somebody who's been shooting for many years, like, it's really hard to control sign because, like, it's against. It's against you, essentially. So just to make it consistent and have a consistent look while shooting outside in bright sunlight and whatever city they're shooting is just it's excellent. 00;26;30;21 - 00;26;47;08 Speaker 1 Like, yeah, planning, execution, how much they're able to do. It's just like it's really well and it's like it's not noticeable. And I can, I can notice a little bit of time shifts and some stuff, but like it's not that noticeable and they just did a fantastic job with it. So cinematography is always nice. 00;26;47;09 - 00;27;11;10 Speaker 2 And there is a lot of jumping in that in that episode of of Time, like even outside of like obviously like physical time that we know of. Like if you watch an episode and it starts off in the middle of the day and it cuts the next scene and clearly it's dusk or something, but like outside of that, like, you know, we go from before to during to, during still to, during that after kind of like the collapse of society and shit. 00;27;11;10 - 00;27;21;15 Speaker 2 And it's like, yeah, super a very like extensive episode. There was a lot put in that episode. Yeah, that's what I would like to, I would love to see the director's cut. 00;27;21;17 - 00;27;26;00 Speaker 1 God, yeah, I, I, I didn't know there was a director's cut, so now I want to watch it. 00;27;26;00 - 00;27;27;16 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a. 00;27;29;03 - 00;27;31;12 Speaker 1 Oh, we'll have to keep that for another. 00;27;31;21 - 00;27;40;21 Speaker 2 Another episode of The Last of US part ten. They had the Last of the Last of US Up is three had a two hour director's cut. That's even more heartbreaking. That's. 00;27;41;03 - 00;28;05;16 Speaker 1 That's the wow, that's the case. I mean, that was, what, an hour, hour and 20 hour ten, something like that. Imagine they they shot. So if that's the case. So typically it's six weeks for roughly, you know, an hour's worth of footage, roughly just like just an average for like a an indie films. Like most most movies, a lot of indie films are done in like three or four weeks, and a lot of blockbuster films are done. 00;28;05;24 - 00;28;36;00 Speaker 1 And like you know, anywhere between nine and 15 weeks, like when I worked on, you know, 22 Jump Street, we were in New Orleans for six weeks and then Puerto Rico for three weeks. So that's sort of I'm a judge of how things would go, but I'm just wild that they shot essentially all this time. My guess is they probably shot like six weeks worth and they essentially only use, you know, yeah, two thirds of it. 00;28;36;00 - 00;28;48;29 Speaker 2 This is one line for the article. So I was like, Oh, that's probably not good in regards to it being 2 hours. And I sat down, but I'm like, okay, I'll watch a two hour version of this episode. And I cried so hard that at one point actually said out loud, Al, I mean there. And I cried so hard it hurt. 00;28;49;26 - 00;28;51;04 Speaker 2 Yeah. So. 00;28;51;05 - 00;28;52;19 Speaker 1 All right, fair enough. 00;28;53;04 - 00;28;54;03 Speaker 2 I hope they really set. 00;28;54;07 - 00;28;58;26 Speaker 1 I hope so. They I mean, we get enough people to sign a petition should. But like, I bet. 00;28;58;26 - 00;28;59;14 Speaker 2 I bet. Yeah. 00;28;59;21 - 00;29;01;09 Speaker 1 I wonder why it didn't make it. 00;29;01;09 - 00;29;16;26 Speaker 2 Maybe it probably was ironic. It's I think for based on an article it's not that they meant that to happen. There was just that much footage and the being 2 hours long, they cut down from there. So it's not really like the director's cut is really just what they like. Edit Like the director and the editor came together and that's what they put together. 00;29;16;26 - 00;29;20;28 Speaker 2 And then it turns out this is too long. You know, I think that's what it means, more so than. 00;29;21;04 - 00;29;36;23 Speaker 1 Or it's just like, it's like embellishing on things that are a little bit more slower pace and not everyone can appreciate. It's more of the indie feel, you know, like taking time to beats and drawings. Like TV has differences than movies, because in movies you can have long drawn out sequences. Can't do that. 00;29;36;23 - 00;29;41;28 Speaker 2 TV Yeah, well, how is that? But I watch outcry, I'll cry. Okay. 00;29;42;14 - 00;29;46;02 Speaker 1 I'll cry. So. All right. Any any closing thoughts on the episode. 00;29;47;04 - 00;29;55;23 Speaker 2 Of the episode? Just I think whoever did casting for for this deserves a dang award because everyone so far has been perfect. 00;29;56;04 - 00;30;01;17 Speaker 1 Yeah. A lot of people like Nick Osterman for Bill. Like, who would ever think that would be a thing to do? It's just it's so good. 00;30;02;05 - 00;30;03;09 Speaker 2 Everyone's brought it. 00;30;03;09 - 00;30;05;06 Speaker 1 It's been excellent. I cannot wait to see. 00;30;05;06 - 00;30;09;27 Speaker 2 Pedro and Bella. Bella Ramsey. They're just perfect. 00;30;10;20 - 00;30;13;08 Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm very excited to see what happens this Sunday. 00;30;13;29 - 00;30;15;23 Speaker 2 Yeah, Same to them. 00;30;16;01 - 00;30;39;18 Speaker 1 Good. It can be good. Yeah. Cool. Awesome. Well, thanks everyone for catching. If you want to come join us in discussions about the last of you, you can check us on discord at Discord W slash Ojai podcast or on Instagram at O.G. podcast. Or you can check us out on our website where we talk about awesome video games because not every time, not every day we have a TV series that is fantastic. 00;30;39;29 - 00;30;48;08 Speaker 1 It is also based on a video game. So you can find that O.G. podcast FM where we get this episode and every episode about what games we're playing, looking forward to. 00;30;48;27 - 00;30;51;03 Speaker 2 Them. I said, Being an overachiever, you know. 00;30;51;03 - 00;30;51;17 Speaker 1 Rookie of that. 00;30;51;17 - 00;30;52;20 Speaker 2 Used to be that used. 00;30;52;20 - 00;30;59;24 Speaker 1 To be. It used to be the one side, and it was just fun at that point. So. All right. Thank you all for coming out. And we'll see you on recording this Sunday. 00;31;00;17 - 00;31;03;03 Speaker 2 Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. 00;31;03;04 - 00;31;08;09 Speaker 1 At 1 p.m. Eastern to come check it out. If you want to come check us live Twitch dot TV slash podcast. 00;31;09;02 - 00;31;58;26 Speaker 2 Bye bye.