Sam 0:16 Welcome to monkey off my backlog the podcast where we exercise our pop culture demons by tackling our media to do lists one week at a time. I'm your host, Sam, and with me is my co host, Tessa. Hello. We are here today to get some closure on this whole James Bond business. Nigel couldn't make it today but we are joined by Elise. Elyse 0:42 Woohoo, it's me, Elise. Sam 0:46 We've all seen no time to die. And spoiler alert, we do not agree on this film. We're going to be talking spoilers in the film. So if you haven't seen Daniel Craig's final outing as bond yet come back when you've seen it. So this movie is Daniel Craig's final outing is James Bond. It is meant to tie up the previous four films. We've been waiting for it for 18 months. Here's what we got. We got a prologue. Young Madeline Swan is attacked by an assassin with a mask on but she escapes almost dies he saves her really really cool cut to present day Swan and bond are hanging out they're having their happily ever after. Going to go see Vespers grave get some closure their grave explodes. fund comes to the conclusion that Dr. Madeleine Swann has betrayed him. He gets so angry he rage quits the relationship goes off the grid Time passes so much time passes that a new double oh seven exists. Felix Leiter, meanwhile, finds bond asks him for help for a mission in Cuba bond lighter and a new CIA agent go to Cuba there's a thing with a Russian scientist Blofeld from jail tries to kill bond but there's a betrayal a twist of fate everybody from specter dies except for Blofeld because he's in prison. It all has to do with this thing called Project Herrick Lee's, which is nano MacGuffin bots. And so we find out Blofeld is still behind this bond goes back to London and meets with Blofeld who will only meet his therapist who is gesu Dr. Madeleine Swann Vaughn tries to get the information out of Blofeld he said what really you know, you know, don't get so mad but he antagonizes them so much bond you know, bottles and a little bit and because of the MacGuffin, nanobots Blofeld is now dead because he's not the big bad the big bad is the masked guy from earlier they figure this out when they go when bond goes to Madeline swans childhood home and in her childhood bed is a child who she insists does not bonds child plot twist. The the guy the assassin in the mask. Just name IT staffing is, you know, the guy that was with lighter is a double agent. Hooray. That's super fun. sapien kidnaps Madeline and her daughter takes them to his not a volcano in Japan but very very close is World War Two era base on an island between Japan and Russia. Vaughn saves the world from his evil missile launching nanobots scheme but in the process is infected with the megaphone bots and is never able to touch his love. And his daughter because oh yeah, that's really his daughter. And he gets so upset. He dies the end. Elise, you liked this movie? Elyse 3:57 I love that your Can I just say I love that your summary implies that he just died of grief. Sam 4:05 But he like Pat, Elyse 4:08 I mean kinda Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yes. I hate sad may deserve better. pad may deserve better. Yes, I really did like this movie. I did think the plot was a little bananas and how it went back and forth. Like, I thought that was his kid immediately. I knew she was just saying that because she wanted to just I Unknown Speaker 4:30 was totally always going to be his kid. Like, I knew I was gonna show up and there was gonna be a kid. Before anything happened. Like I, Elyse 4:39 I didn't, I didn't know what Sam 4:41 one of the original drafts of Oh gosh, I can't remember if it's Casino Royale or quantum is that Vesper had a child with him and that is his modus operandi for a plot. So basically they just took that out of the fridge, nuked it for a couple of seconds and served it to us. Elyse 5:00 So on a positive note, I thought that this movie was beautifully shot. I really loved the score. I liked how the theme song worked within the story, the score, I not good with music, but it had that like, I can't even remember now, but because I've listened to it since and I've seen the movie twice now, it had that. There was like that part of it where you just felt like the tension and the high stakes of what was happening. Whenever there was like a big fight scene, there was that one. I don't know what to call it. That like one sound or the one melody that was like doing a thing. I know that's very descriptive. I liked it. This felt a little bit different from our typical bond. You know, we had a flashback at the beginning, which is something I don't think we'd had before and especially not one from a different character than bond. And it was Madeline as a child. The cold open was like extremely long. But I did speak with a friend who had not seen that I the second time I saw it, one of my friends had only really seen the last two Bond movies. And she was like the part with Madeline as a kid. Like she's like, I would have understood the whole plot without that. So like if your complaint if someone's complaining about it being too long, that could have been a part where they shortened it, but I felt fine. And I honestly didn't feel that the movie went on too long for me. Yeah. Unknown Speaker 6:28 So you mentioned that you have been listening to the score. Could you give us your thoughts on one no time to die. The bond theme which has been out as as Sam has mentioned elsewhere, Billy Eilish has written and produced an entire album since she originally released that song for this film, right? And their use of Louis Armstrong's all the time in the world. At the end of the film, Elyse 6:52 I felt that the tone of the song and some of the lyrics really kind of summed up bonds mood at the end of the polls open. I should have known I'd leave alone. Like it's basically like I made a mistake by trying to trust someone and get involved with someone again, you know, it obviously it happened with Vesper also. So he just felt like, why is this keep happening to me? Why are these ladies betraying me so much. So I just felt that it was a really good summary of kind of, if you weren't paying attention with regard to the score, I actually found that earlier in the movie, there was parts of we have all the time in the world, like within the score, and I forgot the track name, but I had sent it to a friend because I was like, pointing it out. And I also felt that were felt. I also thought I heard a little bit of Skyfall in the score as well. And early in the movie. Yeah, after the flashback, Madeline and bond are driving and she's like, Oh, can you go faster and he's like, I don't need to go faster. You we have all the time in the world. And I at that point, I kind of felt like okay, I should have known someone was going to die at the end, but I didn't really it didn't really hit me. Sam 8:13 That was that was the moment in the movie where my soul left my body and the reason for that is that's when I knew this movie was gonna be a pastiche it was gonna be a greatest hits compilation, right and that's Elyse 8:26 Yeah, yeah. And so I think that this the track Matera might have had a little bit of we have all the time in the world from Louie Armstrong like the instrumental and then I'll be right back at the beginning. I feel like had a little bit of Skyfall in it. Unknown Speaker 8:41 Yeah, and we definitely hear Vesper Steve when he goes to her grave at the beginning of the film we hear a little sample of that song The no time to die song get sampled whenever Madeline and him have like a tight moment and of course like that yeah bro like that the entire intro references different parts of the five movie arc that we've seen because we get like little visual glimpses of like the the playing cards like from Casino Royale we get little glimpses of the different characters from the different movies as well and that intro directly references dr know by having the little animated the dots Yeah, like that. I thought that was really interesting to talk about saphan as a character here in a little bit but that intro definitely was giving me some Dr. Know vibes as well. Elyse 9:34 I I agree. I thought of Dr. knows, as soon as the theme stuff started and they had the little dots all over the screen. Yeah, good call out. Unknown Speaker 9:42 So we all know that you're here for like the emotional side of bond, which this movie definitely wants to delve into like EA and like you said like his feelings of betrayal. For me, I had a really big problem with the tonal shift of this movie because it wanted to do some like Plastic bond things like we had that whole scene with Ana Dr. Maas and I wanted to live in that scene like the scene where she plays Paloma and they're they're infiltrating a specter party. And the the the audio is all through like the earpieces, which I thought was really clever. And it's like very classic bond like that was really fun and they were doing a thing and it was a fun little action set piece. But then those types of moments were interspersed with just these very like bleak emotional like things and I just I felt like this movie for me couldn't figure out what it wanted to be like there it wanted to be classic bond but it also wanted to be like this different kind of emotional action movie. And I don't know if it blended that as well as something like On Her Majesty's Secret Service does, you know, Sam 10:52 here's the big problem, we want to Okay, so the first movie ends with Vesper dying and we got the guy in the trunk. Okay, so we're gonna pay homage to that by having the grave you know, basically the sins of the father and the dude and Trunks the father, right? We just don't know that yet. And then we get Quantum of Solace which is all about the father and daughter relationship and how she may or may not be involved in Spectre, the most positive reading and Quantum of Solace I can give you and then in Skyfall it's really about the emotional impact of em. If you you know that that stupid union jack Bulldog shows up in the garage, but it's all about that tension with with bond and M and how it's exacerbated with a terrible relationship with you know, refinances M, which comes out in Skyfall. And then of course, specter, you have Blofeld, and Dr. Swan So first of all, we have to chain all of that together into this movie. And then we know at the end, we want bond to die. We're gonna we're gonna reheat this whole like bond has a daughter thing, how can we get from the end of Spectre to that? Okay, well, if I do this, I have to do this and then we have to do this. And that's partially why I read the plot summary the way I did because it's not cohesive it's chaining events together to create a causal relationship that is nothing beyond if this happens then this happens there's no narrative logic beyond that. Unknown Speaker 12:31 I also really didn't like that they killed Spectre and blow fell in this movie like it just it felt like the scene at the beginning of a View to a Kill where it's just them like flipping off the dude who owned the rights to Blofeld by having him die super easily. Like it just felt like they were building specter up so much. Because factors obviously like this iconic bond you know villain I almost wish they would have just like not had Blofeld in it like they had been like at a different party or something. Like it just felt like Spectre was a plot device to get bond back in the game it didn't actually it felt like they were really undermining all the work they had done in those first four films to like lead up to Spectre just by being like oh JK, like they're all dead now. It just, I don't know, it was moments like that that really made me feel a little frustrated with this film. Sam 13:21 So one of the things that you talked about when we got out of the theater, I don't know if we've talked about this on the microphone, but the first two big movies we saw in the theater or fast nine and Black Widow and we did not have the same takes on those movies. And I remember telling you that I thought it was awful no time to die when we got out and you're like I'm so glad we agree on movies again. But the thing that you mentioned first your your hot take on the movie was about the emotional stakes or emotional manipulation I'll let you say it the way you want to have the relationship with Madeline and the existence of the child Unknown Speaker 14:05 yeah I really disliked what they did with Madeline in this mainly because the way and maybe maybe I just need space from like the marketing of this particular film. But the way that they set this film up was oh this is going to be about her secrets it's going to be about how like she was actually involved in Spectre or something worse. Like it was very much even the beginning of this movie is very much about like her like her past and her secrets and like what are her secrets and her secrets will destroy bond. Her secrets turned out to be zero things except for the fact that she was pregnant. That secret happens after she and bond are together. Like I just didn't really understand what they were doing with her character in terms of like her backstory like I thought we were gonna find out that like Rami Malik's character had like raised her actually or like she had trained with it like you know like I expected there to be more of a past there besides the fact that she's a mom and it that's what it kind of felt like it by the end of the movies that she was just bonds baby mama like that that's all it kind of felt like to me that they had done with her as a character and it didn't really feel like there was any payoff to this whole like she has secrets and those secrets will destroy you. Well actually the secrets are that she's a mom. Elyse 15:24 I would not disagree with that. I do feel like it was a little underwhelming. The you know, they kept talking about the secrets in the trailer and then it was just they also like when they put that line in the trailer when she says you don't know what this is like. They make it seem like that was about the secrets but obviously that was about the nano MacGuffin bytes, or whatever. Whatever you want to call it. I Unknown Speaker 15:49 have one last thing to say about the nano MacGuffin bites all like recently you can see these like trends in action movies, and recently it's been nanobots and magnetism. And this film had both nanobots. Elyse 16:03 I like the magnet part, though. Sam 16:05 So let's let's talk a minute about the three new additions in this movie. So first, of course is Rami Malik's Bond villain who was not Doctor No. So like, sapien saphan I just have so little connection to this character like I couldn't even remember. But his first name is Lucifer, Lucifer Luke. It's okay, come on. That's Elyse 16:31 just I thought they said that and I was like, Okay, I'm just gonna call him stuff Sam 16:37 now. I will say that the I'm not sure if it's the same poison that was used by a Russian agent in England a few years ago. But it's the same kind of weapon that produces the same effect that facial disfigurement, but all that Rami Malik was tasked with in this film How do you do Unknown Speaker 16:57 i mean i think he did all right again I'm not I've said this before I'm trying to tie I'm kind of over bond villains being disfigured. like, Alright, fine, but he I really wish that he was doctored Oh, like they kept like making these parallels between him like he has his own island. He's like dressed in this like pseudo like tunic. He just like he I mean yeah, there are scenes where where James and and the other double o are like running down these hallways that are supposed to be like callbacks to the him crawling through the reactors and Doctor No, it just it seemed really weird that they were trying so hard to evoke Doctor No without actually just having him be Doctor No, like we already rebooted Blofeld. Like why are we not rebooting that character? Sam 17:45 You know, one of the hallmarks of the James Bond franchise are the production designers go in Hey, did you know this thing on earth existed? And like making it a thing? I feel like the discussion was, did you know that there are islands like Japan just keeps going until it hits Russia? Let's do that. What did what did you think about saphan Elyse 18:07 he was fine. I don't love Rami Malik. Like in general that is based on me seeing one season of Mr. Robot and nothing else so I can't even say that it's like an informed opinion. Because I had no interest in Bohemian Rhapsody. I love queen. That's why I had no interest in Bohemian Rhapsody. I thought he did okay with what he was given. I don't know that he was given that much but also like I don't need a Bond villain so like, do that much anyway, so I feel like it didn't. It didn't bother me. Even though like it was just fine. Sam 18:47 This film has the requisite number of bond girls which is three However, in what is possibly the only plot twist in this movie. That is good. She's not a Bond girl. She's a double o agent. And she's not just a double agent. She is double oh seven talking about Nomi played by leshawna Lynch Unknown Speaker 19:10 would watch a spin off like I really liked her I thought she I wanted her to be on this on the screen more like I was more interested in knowing about her double oh seven almost that I was the Daniel Craig double oh seven. Elyse 19:24 Yeah, I really like if the next movie was just leshawna Lynch, like I'd be like, cool. This is bond. This is bond now but it's not bond. It's just double oh seven. Unknown Speaker 19:33 And she's the one who almost says the title of the movie when she kicks that guy off of the thing and says Time to die. Elyse 19:40 Yeah. And she's like, Nope, it's time. Yeah, that Unknown Speaker 19:45 was pretty awesome. Sam 19:46 It's good. You know, you've talked about Dr. Swan. I'm trying to do something with emotional stakes and kind of, you know, just killing the legacy of the Bond girl and Frankly dishonouring the memory of Tracy and then we have this plot twist not a real Bond girl. So, you know, you could be forgiven if you thought this this sequence in the middle just doesn't fit in the movie because it doesn't. But what they did was we have to have an actual Bond girl like a like a, you know, honor the past just very attractive, very cool Bond girl with no emotional stakes, no inversions of gender and blah blah blah just just put up put on a Dr. Moss in The Spy Who Loved Me dress and let's go. And let's give her a cool name. Polo Ma. Unknown Speaker 20:46 I'll let you go first on this one at least. Elyse 20:49 Do you think that Paloma would marry me? Unknown Speaker 20:52 I mean, one could hope. Sam 20:54 Are you now or have you ever shared personality traits with Ben Affleck? Elyse 21:02 I would hope not. Then there's a chance it would probably it would probably be for someone else to say Paloma was so charming. She was so cute. I love the choreography of her fight scenes. I like the energy that she and Daniel Craig had together they were a lot of fun to watch on screen like I would just really enjoy that and they kept stopping for drinks which was really funny. I just really enjoyed their time and like at first you thought she was gonna be kind of like they've made her you know, she was seemed came off a little ditzy at first and like and I don't mean that in a negative way. It was very curious overly excited nervous. Yeah, like she was so excited and it just kind of reminded me of my favorite character on Star Trek lower decks Tandy is my girl 10 News always just really excited and up for everything and it's just I really resonate with characters like that, like cheerful and happy. Unknown Speaker 22:00 And I think one of our first reactions like both of us when we got out of the theater was to text each other. It's The Spy Who Loved Me dress. It is definitely a call back to Egypt. Triple exes stress from The Spy Who Loved Me. What did you think of the blue dress? Elyse 22:17 obsessed I want to wear? I do I want Paloma. Or do I want to be Paloma? Probably it's the Unknown Speaker 22:25 eternal question. I love the scene. I like you. I love Daniel Craig and Ana Dr. mosses chemistry I would watch them in any movie together. Like Yeah, like I mean, it's not even like really romantic. Like there's a little flirty edge to it, but it's just a very like they are two people who just get along and like do good work together. I wish that scene was the movie. Like I wanted that to be the whole movie. Sam 22:50 So okay, let's let's just take a moment. And if you have anything to say about money, Penny, Q, lighter, Tanner. Here's your chance. I will start you off with the question. Why is q the best character in this movie? Go? Cuz he's queer. Unknown Speaker 23:12 Cuz he has cats. Elyse 23:15 Yeah, that cat was real cute. Unknown Speaker 23:19 In and he's like, oh, Bond. I haven't seen you in years. And like I was like, I know he's staying at your house queue. Elyse 23:28 Yeah, that was really funny because like we didn't even really know he was staying there. And it just like was really funny. Um, I always want bill Tanner to have more to do because I don't know why he's like this generic white man and I still like him. I just feel Tanner. I don't know. That's all I have to say about Bill Tanner. Unknown Speaker 23:52 I don't know I feel like they were trying to make everybody have interiority in this film which is fine it just kind of like muddied up a lot of stuff like is am a bad person probably do I really care in this movie? Like I don't know is like money Penny like the only real stuff we get with money Penny is when she takes him to Q we don't get a whole lot from her in this film. So it's just kind of their their Elyse 24:17 right I do like that money Penny kind of goes rogue Sometimes though. Like I like she wasn't supposed to do any of that and she did it anyway. And I like that her allegiance is to James Sam 24:32 you know, they didn't even have the common decency to kill lighter via shark. Yeah. Yeah, no decency. And, and and be sharks in this movie. Yeah. And he had a lack of sharks. And did you guys catch that this was clearly supposed to come out 18 months ago, because the CIA and EMI six are not getting along because of the person in Charge of America at that point that lands a lot differently now Yes, that's the whole man shall not be named. Elyse 25:13 It's funny that you called him that because I'm in a slack and when he that person was president that was the name of the political channel he shall not be named. Yeah, that didn't even occur to me. I am more upset about Felix dying than I am about anything else that happened in this movie. And I don't mean like upset like Angry like, I think it's clear to me that they're just going to probably reboot this and have all new actors and as I said it earlier before we were recording, like even if they were not going to have a different actor play em I feel like they should now because Mallory is gonna get arrested because he really screwed up pretty bad. Unknown Speaker 25:55 I didn't like Felix's death and it wasn't because like again like I'm not really against people dying in these films it's just it feels really weird that they just had him die in such a like emotionally exploitative way like at least in licensed to kill even though he doesn't die like his wife dying and then him getting like a like almost dying bond like the horror film is about his relationship with bond and the fact that he like almost dies and bond like is trying to get revenge or justice or whatever. This almost felt like it was an afterthought like oh we have to make this like more emotional and we have to make the bad guy seem better. So we're gonna kill Felix off and I don't know it just didn't hit me. Right as much as I love this version of Felix like I do love like what they what Jeffrey Wright has done with this character I just I didn't feel like like there was one reference maybe to Felix later when he kills the guy who killed him the double agent Yeah, Logan, but there's not a lot of like, follow through or like, yeah, to me it just it felt like fridging except for with Felix instead of a lady. Elyse 27:05 No, I understand. Because like, I do feel like you know, we have we have licensed to kill where James is like, clearly in Felix's wedding. They're very close. I do like Jeffrey right and feel in the role of Felix but I would say that I kind of agree that they haven't. Like he's fond says to Logan, I had a brother, his name is Felix, I don't think they showed us that their relationship was that strong. That being said, I kind of turn just turn my brain off and let all the emotions stuff wash over me, which is probably why I liked the movie more than you guys, because I just like was letting it do its thing. Sam 27:46 So it's interesting that you you say that. And I think that the folks at Eon productions would be like, Well, yeah, but you saw licensed to kill. You know, they're like brothers, and that you've done a very good job of leading me to. So where does this movie fit in a variety of different ways. So, and we've already kind of talked about all three of these things. How does this film fit within the crag bond arc? I've already told you what I think the only thing I have to add to that is so if the bar is set by rise of Skywalker if that is the absolute worst way to end a film series of all time this tripped over that, and then landed right in front of it. Like that's that's they had a very low bar and they just tripped over it. That's that's how I feel. How do you guys feel? Elyse 28:49 So you're saying it's slightly better than the rise of sky? Just because I'm like Sam 28:53 I said, at least it's better than rise of Skywalker to Tessa? Elyse 28:58 That's a very low bar. Sam 29:00 I imagine you feel differently. Was this a good way to end this five movie? serialized arc? Um, Elyse 29:09 I think so. It was a little It was definitely very dramatic. But I do feel that it was better than the rise of Skywalker and better than Game of Thrones, which I'm finishing my rewatch of forgot about Game of Thrones, didn't you? I'm actually on segue. I'm on the second to last episode right now. So it's getting a little hairy. But yeah, like I really liked it. And I actually, I know I've talked negatively about it, and we were talking before it's just habit for me to like, say all my nitpicks more than an easier to defend my nitpicks than to say why I like something but in the bond in the Daniel Craig. Like if I was gonna rank all the Daniel Craig Bond movies, this is one falls right in The middle for me. But um, yeah, Unknown Speaker 30:04 I mean, I think that's fair. I feel like Sam is on one side and you're on the other. And I'm like somewhere in the middle because there are like really good elements of this film that I did enjoy. I think I would have enjoyed this more if the Daniel Craig series was its own thing and not part of bond, like if it was like a different. Like, to me, this Ark, having him die at the end of this felt really weird. For bond, because bonds really do hard reboots, they do soft reboots, like the the most reboot thing that they've ever done was Casino Royale, and even that had like elements of the previous series that, for me, I don't mind them killing the character. Like, if you look at the James Bond that's in the Daniel Craig films, it kind of makes sense, like, it is a way for this to end. But if that's going to happen, then they need to end the franchise because having that happen, and then saying James Bond will return really, really upset me in this film. Like I was really hoping they would say double oh seven will return. My dad had the same comment, like maybe feels like it, they but they want to have their cake and eat it too. Like they want to end this in a really emotional way. And like pay off all these steaks that they've been building over the last, you know, four films, but they also want to continue this like multibillion dollar franchise. So for me, like it just felt really odd that they would do it this way. And I don't I don't want them to explain it. Like I just want them to go to the next bond and just be like, you know what I mean? Like, I want them to just just do yeah, always done like, have a new bond, like you don't have to get so caught up in the continuity of it all. But since they decided that that was important to them in these films, it gets really messy, I think. And I think that's why I ultimately am kind of lukewarm about this film. Because, like, either you care about continuity, or you don't, this felt like they were trying to pick both and I just I didn't really appreciate that. So maybe if they hadn't had that James Bond will return at the end I would have felt better about Sam 32:11 it. I'm telling you right now, if the next James Bond movie begins with the new bond, looking directly at camera winking and making some science some sort of Sherlock Holmes reference, so help me I just that's what they're gonna do you do you know that right? Unknown Speaker 32:31 This is actually about how he enters the Marvel Cinematic Universe because that was actually gamma rays. Sam 32:39 No. Okay, so Elise, where's this movie in your ranking? Elyse 32:44 So I put it at number seven. I gave it four stars. cringing when? It's right. It's sandwiched between Dr. Know and GoldenEye, which I know sounds probably scandalous. But I just really enjoyed it. I had a great time. And I was excited to see it a second time. Sam 33:07 So Tessa and I both dislike this movie. So I just want to do a dramatic re creation of how we settled where it went. And this could change this was an instant reaction. So I said to test I said, so we basically now we have 25 movies, so we have to figure out our ranking. And so I said, Is You Only Live Twice still the worst Bond movie? And she said yes. So we have You Only Live Twice at number 25. And then I said, Tessa, is no time to die. A better movie than live in Let Die. Yes. All right. So Live and Let Die is number 24. And then I said casa, is no time to die. Better than for your eyes only. Yes. Okay. And so then it is no time to die better than the Man with the Golden Gun. Unknown Speaker 34:01 No, I actually like the Man with the Golden Gun better than no time to die. Sam 34:06 So it is all the way down at number 21 on our list of bonds. Which brings me to my final question. Wow, just about Adele cuz she has an album named 21. Nope, nope, that's nothing. That's not a real segue. Which brings me to my final question. What now? Like they killed bond, it's over. Right? As I said on the podcast, when we all last convened, they had 18 months, I expect to see that they've already picked out the new bond. And it's going to be the thing at the end of the movie. It's gonna be super exciting. They clearly chose a different path. They are like, one of our students did not do the homework and was like, Oh, I'm sorry. I knew I had like, like a month to do it. But I'll get started. Now Elyse 34:57 you know what happens next. We all move to Jamaica and live on the golden I property in a commune Unknown Speaker 35:04 i'm in favor of that plan yeah I don't know I feel I do want to leave myself some room I feel pretty good about my analysis of this film right now but like I do want to come back to it in a year or two and rewatch it because like with Spectre, I think that maybe some of my problems with it have to do with the way it was marketed so getting some distance from that might help as far as where they're gonna go from here I just really don't want another hard reboot I don't want them to just be like we're gonna do another origin story for bond like that. I'm really worried that that's where we're headed. I would much rather see will Shawna Lynch's character spin off I'd much rather see a different double oh seven or a different double o spin off I'd like to see a Paloma spin off like let's let's that girl doing like what's what's her situation? Yeah, so like for me I'm kind of ready for this franchise to be done. Sorry. Sorry. Elyse 35:59 I'd be okay with that. Also, I Unknown Speaker 36:01 really want to go back and watch Doctor No now Elyse 36:03 I yeah, I watched Doctor No right after we recorded our long podcast and I it's it's it's a fun rewatch for me. Sam 36:14 All right, Elise, where can we find you online? Elyse 36:18 You can find me on Twitter and letterbox at Elise underscore Tandy, el YS, e and underscore t n di you can find my podcast pod rates a Deep Space Nine podcast on Twitter and Instagram at pod rates pod WRAI th S. Tessa Unknown Speaker 36:37 You can find me on Twitter at suela. Tessa Swehla is spelled SW e HLA. Sam 36:43 Find me on Twitter. At Sam underscore Morris nine send us your thoughts about no time to die. What pop culture you've crossed off your list lately, what you'd like for us to talk about on future episodes or anything else that comes to mind. 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