00:00.00 Dave J Hello everybody. My name is Dave Jackson and you're listening to tales from the backlog. This is a video games review podcast where each week I'm joined by a guest to bring a game out of the backlog play it and discuss my guest today is a friend of the show. Host of remember 64 and back in my day podcasts coming to you at nine hundred kilometers per hour Dave Petrangelo welcome 00:27.60 Dave P Ah, thank you 900 at least just to start just to start. 00:28.70 Dave J Yeah that's right, we're we're getting hit the accelerator. We're gonna keep going. Yeah, um, if you may have guessed from that little intro there or because you clicked on the episode with this title today. We're talking about Fzero x which is a futuristic racing game developed by Nintendo a. Yeah, developed by Nintendo Ead I'm going to restart that which is a futuristic racing game developed by Nintendo ead and published by Nintendo for the Nintendo 64 in 1998. 00:50.50 Dave P Yeah. 01:02.70 Dave J And it's good to have you on the show Dave because you are the host of a dedicated Nintendo 64 podcast which we'll talk about at the end of the episode here. But for now just want to throw that out there. We've got ah a a true blue Nintendo 64 head on the show here today. 01:20.28 Dave P Ah, for better or for worse I am here everybody. 01:23.70 Dave J Yeah, ah we um, this game today f zero x is on the show because it was the winner of a patreon poll. It demolished the competition. It lapped to the competition to use some well race and game terminology for everybody. Um. Thank you to everybody who voted in the poll if you are listening, you'd like to vote for future games to appear on the show. You can go to patreon.com/real Dave Jackson and yeah, we we have polls every month for a game to come on the show this game like we said dominated the competition. This is a special episode I wanted to do actually all the games that were in that Patreon poll were games that have no stories because I kind of found myself on the show having a lot of games doing a bunch of work in spoiler sections. You know what? I really want to talk about what's the themes we gotta dig into and then I was like you know what. 02:13.69 Dave P And. 02:17.11 Dave J But talk about a game where there's no story. You just just race all gameplay. That's what exactly? Yeah so no spoiler section in this episode. There is no story. There is backstory which I'm. 02:20.72 Dave P Ah, every once in a while you just want to hit the gas and go right? That's pretty much it. Ah. 02:33.42 Dave J We're going to talk about because it's it's real weird and fun and goofy. But this is not a game that you can be spoiled on so no spoiler section if someone is listening and has never played FZero x we've prepared some elevator pitches for the top of the show. 02:34.33 Dave P Yeah. Yeah, no. 02:49.45 Dave J I wrote down it is racing at a thousand kilometers per hour to a badass speed metal soundtrack. What would you say Dave. 02:57.95 Dave P I'd say get out of the elevator as fast as you can because these vehicles are going to destroy it in an instant also fast af racing with wild futuristic environments and massive a massive grid of vehicles. 03:11.14 Dave J Yep, exactly it is fast if we going to use like 2 words to describe FZero x fast racing or I will spell out what you wrote what you abbreviated there fast as fuck racing. Um. 03:27.45 Dave J This game took me a few hours to like kind of run through the grand primodes. There is no story mode in this game ah later games do have story modes but not this one. It is just pure racing so a couple hours to beat the grand pri modes on 2 difficulties I was not able to beat them on. 03:46.14 Dave J The expert difficulty I played this on steam deck because um I used to own this on n 64 but it was a casualty of my collection turning over several times through the years so I played this on steam deck. It runs great on the old emulator um Dave how long. 03:58.28 Dave P Um, now nice. Um, so I played it on switch because it's on the expansion pack for n64 04:11.54 Dave P So great place to play it right now I think it's a very easy way to to access it I do have a hold up my cartridge I do have a cartridge as well. I For whatever reason did not put this in the console when I was playing this over the last couple weeks I Just you know what it was just easy to just I had the switch beside me at at all times kind of because I'm kind of playing through a couple there. 04:16.68 Dave J Nice. 04:30.62 Dave P Like at least 1 other game for my show at the moment and it was just easy to flip between the game. So I just kind of and they're both very different games as well. So it was actually ah very easy to do that. So it it controls pretty well it works pretty well on there. It's very slick. Ah you know, switch kind of makes the colors pop a little bit more I think on that screen and everything so that was really nice. 04:49.20 Dave P And yeah, the expert difficulty I definitely got my butt kicked and was not able to get through that but it probably played it at least a thick 3 to 4 hours in total I think I it took me a while to really get a handle of the game because it's been a long time since I played it. 04:55.82 Dave J Yep. 05:07.98 Dave P So I think it took me maybe a little bit longer than it did for you at least on that standard middle difficulty to kind of I guess quote unquote beat or complete those those Gps but but yeah I mean the races are so short you know you could you could repeat the Gps and the races and stuff like that. And still have a really good few hours. No problem even if he didn't come in first. 05:25.74 Dave J Yeah, absolutely this is a great game to just pick up and play for 15 minutes just do a couple races so I did do that from time to time including in the fifteen or twenty minutes before we started recording tonight I was like a little bit of time. Go run mute city again. 05:30.55 Dave P Yeah. 05:45.13 Dave J So we'll start out every episode as all as we do. So we'll start out this episode just like we do every episode by talking about our histories with this game. Um, like I said at the top you run an n six four dedicated podcast so you have some degree of affection toward the Nintendo 64 so when did you first play this and yeah, what's your history with the series. 06:10.26 Dave P Yeah, as I wrote a little bit in our show notes a little bit of a peek behind the curtain here is um I definitely played this game and I definitely played it a decent amount but I have more experience playing this ah series on the super Nintendo um. I never owned either of these games I I have this cartridge of frx with me but I got that much later. Um, but I would say that this is one of those games that we rented a decent amount I think and and because because like you just mentioned. It's easy to just pick up and play and as a kid that's. 06:45.90 Dave P Like a younger kid that's Perfect. You know when I was 1012 years old with this console like yeah, that's exactly what you're looking for um and planets solo plain single player are still a lot of fun. So I think that that. Pretty much it I don't know why I never continued with this series or why I didn't have it like at the top of my racing list at the time because like I love like just like a sci-fi setting like this like it's so over the top sci-fi that it should have just been right up my alley but I Think. Honestly, at this time I think I was still playing and probably continued to play didycong racing out of any racing game on this console over and over and over again. Um, so I think it overshadowed a lot of others so I had some experience but not not as much as I Actually when I really sat down and thought about it not as much as I really. 07:36.70 Dave P Really thought I thought I had more but but this series is really just the first and this game and and that's pretty much it I haven't played any of the others. Um and a few hours here and there I would say with either of these and that and that's pretty much it. Yeah. 07:49.70 Dave J Yeah, yeah, so I had this game on the n sixty four. This was definitely in our collection when we were growing up and we played it a lot. This was I mean we had Mario Kart also so it was like this and Mario Kart were the racing games and it's like. You want to have fun with your friends and just kind of goof around play Mario Kart do you want to like you know play a real fast more like much more difficult racing game than play Fzero x so we we did have this we played it a ton I never played the super Nintendo version until it went on the switch online service. 08:15.77 Dave P Yeah, yeah. 08:26.86 Dave J And ah yeah, kind of like you said, despite really really loving this game and owning a game cube. We never bought FZeroGx and I owned a game boy advance I didn't even know there were f 0 games on the game boy advance back then. So. 08:44.47 Dave J And I think that a lot of people would probably say something similar because they stopped making these games because nobody buys them. So. 08:48.75 Dave P I You know what? like it's It's one of those series that that definitely would would do well and I think I mean most recently there's a little bit of you know there's access to the series on switch online. So I think that you know. 09:01.16 Dave J Yeah. 09:05.87 Dave P There's 3 versions of these games essentially or of this franchise right now that you could play online and like maybe maybe that's a hint maybe they'll start getting like you know letters in the mail sort of speak of kids that want to play this or people our age that want to play this again because I think I think they should go back to this and you know. We'll get into sort of backstory stuff like you mentioned, but like story quote unquote story or not I just think there's a there's a good time to be had so it's it's a shame that it kind of like just dropped like twenty years ago 09:34.69 Dave J Yeah, we we kind of talked about this in the episode we did about super smash brothers like introducing us to new characters and new series. But like there's an entire generation of people who were born and grew up without a new FZero game so they know about FZero because Captain Falcons and smash brothers. 09:44.39 Dave P Yep. 09:54.73 Dave J And he's ah like kind of an iconic smash character at that too. So maybe now that f zero ninety nine is on the switch. Well if you're listening to this in a couple years it might not still be there. But now that it's there maybe like people take this new format. Try it out. Enjoy it and um. Maybe that'll send a little bit of a message there. There are some indie developers who are making Fzero type games that um, I'm excited for because again Nintendo's not going to do it. So yeah, yeah. 10:26.79 Dave P Yeah, yeah, got it. You got to put it in everybody else's hands apparently because apparently Nintendo doesn't like money I don't know or maybe they do and that's why like you said they didn't keep making. Ah. 10:36.44 Dave J Yeah I was going to say it's it's they they really like money and people just didn't spend money on these games. Unfortunately, so maybe the free one will generate. You know enough interest in in this type of racing game. 10:44.46 Dave P Ah, yeah. 10:49.41 Dave P Yeah, and and if you're and if you're playing ninety nine like that as well. You at least have access to the super Nintendo version of this game so you can play like what what? that's based off of but if you have the expansion pack you paid it a couple extra bucks for the year or whatever to to do it. 10:58.16 Dave J Yeah. 11:07.25 Dave P You know there's only so many at this moment at this recording. There's only so many and 64 games on there. Um, this is one of those ones that again, like you said you could pick up and play and I think if you have a handheld version of switch if you have it on your couch or in bed or something This is a great game to. To do that. So I think it could be something that people go back to because it's an much easier pickup and play than something like I don't like paper Murio For example, that's on there that or or or the Zelda games that are gonna take a lot of time right? So I think that could be a good selling point and I hope I Honestly I hope that it is. 11:32.63 Dave J Um, yeah, yeah. 11:41.45 Dave J Yeah I agree and the reason that we're like so hopeful for the future of the series is that fzr x is fucking awesome I love this game it it had been I don't know like maybe 10 years since I last played it. 11:43.14 Dave P Hope that it is. 11:50.39 Dave P I. 11:57.57 Dave P Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 12:00.14 Dave J And think the last time I played this was on and n 64 the last time I was at someone's house and they had it or the last time that I owned it I don't know but I just picked this up for the first time after a long time and it was like just putting on ah a coat that perfectly fits it was just you know. A nice pair of sweatpants I'm comfy I'm back home I love this game. It is very difficult on the higher levels and it it kind of ceases to be fun if you take it too. Seriously I think but for. 12:35.36 Dave J Just playing on like the easier and like the standard difficulty running through the Grand prix listening to this like this is one of my favorite soundtracks in gaming so just jumping back into this was a ah complete Blast I'm very happy to have gone back. 12:50.10 Dave P Yeah, no, you're right? it is It is very good and I think that um I think the the difficulty ramps a little too quickly for my liking because I I I want to I want to just sort of. 13:00.80 Dave J This is. 13:06.32 Dave P Take this as it is you know I want to take a game like this and stride I want to just sort of go through races. Not really care and like okay I came in fifth this time. Okay I made a mistake or oh I was getting too aggressive and my my vehicle blew up. Okay, but my mistake kind of thing but then like. I got to that middle difficulty and I was sort of in like the fourth race of one of the Gps I was like I I just want to I just want to fuck I just want to I I got to win like oh and I just and I wasn't like safe I wasn't like sort of um, spam saving or anything before each race. So I could go back I just wanted to see. 13:39.86 Dave P How I could do each time and man I replayed some of the Gps like 3 or 4 times to be able to come in first and like I want it to come in first because that you know unlocks things and whatever. But it's still fun even when you're when you're behind when you're losing just the the way that they really make you feel like you have speed. 13:58.15 Dave J Ah, yeah. 13:59.14 Dave P Works like you you are in this like suspended track which is like kind of just like in space. Essentially when you really think about it. Um, with all these loops and turns and walls and whatever and all this stuff but like I don't know it I don't know if it's because somehow they they really. 14:07.16 Dave J Yeah. 14:19.17 Dave P Nailed the speed part of it and when especially when you compare it to its predecessor. It's not even not even like it's not even comparison how much how much they really add to that feeling and that that's the key to it I think is is really feeling like even if you're in last place you are bombing down this track. 14:35.34 Dave J Yeah, it says down in the corner. It tells you how fast you're going and it's like you know nine hundred kilometers an hour and you feel like you are going that fast and you're completely right. 14:39.44 Dave P Yes, yeah. 14:45.68 Dave P Yeah. 14:49.56 Dave J Ah, that's why I don't like the super Nintendo version because it it doesn't feel like you're going that fast in in the n 64 version it does um I also don't like the game cube version I've gone on to like try it and I don't like it because they ruined the soundtrack. The soundtrack is it is not the pounding. 15:05.13 Dave P Um, oh no. 15:08.50 Dave J And like electric guitar shredding soundtrack. It's like a it's not a relaxed like electronic soundtrack. But it's not pulse pounding the way it should be if you're going twelve hundred kilometers an hour and I yeah just I just don't like it so this is in my opinion like by far the best 1 15:19.25 Dave P Um, yeah. 15:27.64 Dave J And I kind of wish that FZeroNinetyNine was built on this I just think that this is the better game. Um, if there's a technical reason why they couldn't have 99 of these cars on these tracks I I kind of get it. But you know I'm just kind of wish casting here. 15:45.31 Dave P It would. It would be nice. Yeah I think that I think you would really um I the simplicity of the super Nintendo of the of the original version of 99 and stuff I understand why it's it's structured from that. Ah engine I guess you could call it. 15:57.27 Dave J And. 16:00.96 Dave P Um, or from that that version. But yeah, if you had yeah I mean I mean that's the thing. What's crazy about this game is that there's 30 vehicles in the race to start. That's a lot man that is crazy all they had to do is like maybe bump that to 50 and it's all actual people. Chaos would just be Amazing. It would be the best chaos best chaos and in any way whatsoever like it would be so much fun. Um, but but I I think I think the I mean I have I have Nippis with the way the game controls and stuff and what we'll get to that but like I really think that. 16:22.30 Dave J Ah, yeah, it would be wild. 16:40.42 Dave P The way this feels is just far better that sort of comes down to yeah yeah. 16:41.99 Dave J Yeah, it is a it's it's a win. It's a definite win for the type of racing that this is setting out to be so let's ah, let's check out some of that soundtrack when we come back, we're gonna talk a little bit about. Not like the plot but we'll talk a little bit about the story of Fzero because it's worth hearing so f zero if you are thinking like that's a cool title for a sci-fi racing game I agree. It's a cool sci-fi total ah title. But it. 16:59.78 Dave P Yes. 17:15.50 Dave J F Zero is actually the name of the race that you're doing. It is an intergalactic like death race. Basically this is explained in manuals and backstory in various games. There's also an anime from what I could tell I did not watch it. But. 17:34.75 Dave J Um, the f zero is a death race where all the baddest people from around the galaxy come to Race for glory and to settle feuds and all of this stuff so I didn't know that all of these characters had backstories back what I was playing it but a little bit of like. 17:49.00 Dave P No, definitely not. 17:52.87 Dave J Little bit of googling I was kind of like checking through wiki's and I was like I remember the character samurai goro what's his ship called maybe we'll talk. Oh. There's a backstory here and then I looked up the manual for the game and so in the game itself. It doesn't tell you these things at all. But the manual has little bios written fzero gx which is the 1 from game cube goes more into story and backstory for the characters. So um I just thought it'd be fun to talk about some of these characters their backstories and like. 18:27.71 Dave J If you're following along which I hope you are I hope I Hope you're listening to this, you know you know what? if this is just white noise when you work that's cool too. I Love you too. But if you're following along listen to these character backstories and just think about the world that this is painting. You know the the world building here. So um. 18:41.14 Dave P yes. 18:46.49 Dave J Dave you want to take turns going through some of these all right? Yeah sure of course the mask guy. 18:48.51 Dave P Yeah man. Yeah yeah, um, I'll ah you know what? I'll I'll start with let me start with Captain Falcon let's start let's let's start with the yeah let's start with the the mascot the man himself. Mr super smash falcon punch himself. Um. 1 of the best bounty hunters in the galaxy one that has earned him many enemies Falcon Falcon joined Fzero desiring to fuel his competitive drive with his own machine. The blue falcon during his long career. He has consistently thwarted the plans of black shadow. 19:21.22 Dave P And other evil forces both on and off the grand prix circuits much of Falcon's past is shrouded in mystery. Ah. 19:28.22 Dave J Oo so like I was saying like so he has this rivalry with black shadow and they they do get out off of the race track. But then when f zero happens then it's game time black shadow is also a character in FZero x 19:42.14 Dave P Ah. 19:45.97 Dave J Um, black shadows bio reads. He is a cold-blooded King of evil feared by all so the king of evil comes to race in these races with everybody else. He's wanted by the galactic federation yet often shows up at f zero because they're extra territorial. They. You know the galactic federation has no jurisdiction at Fzero anything goes here. Um so Captain Falcon has had a lot of success off the racetrack thwarting his plans so black shadow wants nothing more than to see the end of this medling bounty hunter. Preferably in front of millions of fans in his car is called the black bull so black shadow is not only out to defeat Captain Falcon but to embarrass him in front of all the fans at Fzero. 20:37.28 Dave P If there's going to be any ah victory embarrassment has to come with it for your competition. It has to right? Why why? why? go for it. Why why drive at twelve hundred kilometers an hour unless you're going to embarrass ah the blue falcon that is. 20:41.12 Dave J Yeah, yeah. 20:53.23 Dave J Exactly? Yeah, so so we have we have this rivalry between these 2 kind of main characters here but there are 30 cars. There are 30 drivers so all of them have backstories and they get fun. 20:53.44 Dave P 2 spots behind you in the standings. Ah um, it. 21:09.70 Dave P They they do I want to pick one out. We have well first actually you know what first I'm going to go to the next one on our list that we're looking at right now because I read this as Michael Kainne I thought I thought it said Michael Kaine so I am not going to do a british accent because I can't. 21:10.76 Dave J I think. 21:16.58 Dave J Yeah. I did too. Yeah. 21:29.18 Dave P And I can't sound like the the one and only Michael Kaine but I will talk about Michael chain. Ah ah, Michael Chain is the head of a racing clan known as the bloody chain which by the way bloody chain is kind of cool. 21:33.19 Dave J Right. 21:45.69 Dave P Definitely straight out of an 80 s movie like that's that's what they're going for I mean that's what they're going for I think for the most part with this game. Um, and these backstars and everything but I like it bloody chain I like where you're going with it. Um, the membership was 10000 members at one point. So. 21:52.27 Dave J Yeah. 21:59.63 Dave J What what numbers for a racing gang 10000 people in a gang of racers. Yeah, exactly. 22:07.16 Dave P Specific specifically racers. Ah never mind the Sopranos never mind any of these yukusa and all this these just the bloody bloody chain could just it's. 22:15.17 Dave J oh yeah oh Tony Sopranos got nothing on Michael chain. Well he'll try. 22:22.30 Dave P Nothing man Michael Chain has is just going to drag you around with his bloody chains and run you over at 1200 kilomets an hour. Ah try yeah, ah, he said it says that he entered f zero to showcase skills and represent the crew. But his efforts have failed so somehow he just keeps coming back I guess he initially joined the circuit to represent the gang but his lack of wins has caused a lot of members to leave and the organization's membership has drastically decreased. He drives the wild boar. This guy has the saddest story. Ah. 22:59.10 Dave J It's so so he joined to represent the crew and now it just keeps getting worse and he's he's the guy who's like I just 1 more race. This is the time and. 23:07.59 Dave P This might be like this description might be the reason why they don't have the backs stories in the game because no one would pick this guy because he's the sad sack who never wins. 23:17.80 Dave J Exactly and you know what I on my other podcast a top 3 podcast we did top 3 fictional vehicles and one of my co-hosts Aaron picked Michael Chain's wild boar car on the top 3 list. 23:33.50 Dave J Have a feeling he wouldn't have picked it if he knew the backstory. Yeah I mean he he looks he looks badass. He's this giant like you know, yoked up like dude with a bunch of chains wrapped around his shoulders and stuff but apparently can't race. 23:33.41 Dave P Um, ah, honestly because it's It's kind of depressing right? like. 23:45.90 Dave P Yeah, he does have a cool looking vehicle I will I will say that like it sort of has these like I don't know the hood is like split up into like multiple pieces sort of thing I don't know if if they're just like air vents or what I don't know but he what he did remind me of. 23:49.97 Dave J Just real bad at racing. 23:57.82 Dave J I think. 24:05.59 Dave P Is one of the I think I'm pretty sure this I don't know the name I should look it up. Um, but he looks like 1 of the sort of like mini bosses or one of the main bosses in a lot of double dragon and battle toads games or he's just like this big bulking guy and he just has like really like big. 24:24.29 Dave P Punches and fists and stuff he has like a big upper body and tiny legs. He's like sort of that kind of animation and he looks just like him. It's so funny. The guy in those games doesn't have like the chains and he's obviously he's not using a vehicle or whatever but anything that references back to super double Dragon or double Dragon battle toads. 24:42.19 Dave J Nice so we have captain falcon and black shadow they're they're rivals Bounty Hunter King of evil michael chain heads up a gang. 24:42.89 Dave P Crossover game that they had I'm all for it so it looked like to me. That's what that's what I saw. 24:58.35 Dave J Um I would like to introduce Biorex who is an actual dinosaur so we have this aspect of the galactic society bio rex is bio says Biorex is a genetically engineered creature designed by a group of scientists. 25:17.20 Dave J Who would then form a racing team again where it's Jurassic park. But for the purpose of forming a racing team because in this universe nothing matters except for racing what is the racing team called you might ask? Well, it's called dinosaur racing team and they designed his car which is called. 25:25.67 Dave P Absolutely. 25:37.00 Dave J The big fang. Yeah yeah, I get the feeling the um, the writers for FZero we're just like give us all of your weirdest and dumbest and most fun ideas possible. 25:40.89 Dave P Um, dinosaur racing team are. 25:51.16 Dave P Um, I mean that's I mean that's really what it is I mean I think you look at these descriptions that we're reading and like you said there's 30 of them. So this is just the tip of the iceberg but then even look at like the vehicles like only some of them really makes sense and stuff but like. 25:56.82 Dave J Yeah, will. 26:06.43 Dave P Couple of them sort of match the characters I Guess you could say a little bit I'm trying to find there's one care oh here. Okay, so there's there's one one description that I saw through the manual that got me the most out of any of them and and we've hit some good ones already I will say that but this is. 26:18.19 Dave J Okay, okay, let's see right. 26:25.75 Dave P Silver Nielsen and Silver Nielsen is not only you know playing off the whole like Silver Fox idea of like an older guy that's racing or whatever if you were to ask what a silver the age of a Silver Fox would be sort of idea I I think people would say 50 s sixty s something like that. 26:33.63 Dave J And yeah. 26:44.30 Dave J Oh yeah, yeah, um. 26:45.44 Dave P Yeah, somewhere around there. No this guy's 97 um not only is he 97 he has a huge Santa Claus Beard and he has a cane but but he's able to race what it says here a fifteen hundred and thirty Kilogram machine 26:54.54 Dave J Okay. 27:04.87 Dave P Ah, and his body strength is b he has very good boost at a which is interesting and his grip is e so it's not very good, but his description is excellent Nielsen has participated in More Grand P Grand Pri races than anyone but has yet to win. 27:08.49 Dave J 1 27:20.94 Dave J Oh man. 27:24.14 Dave P His age has drawn criticism but because he's resentful of newer machines. The other racers are avoiding him ah is this poor old guy man. He's so lonely. 27:34.92 Dave J Yeah, just just can't win. He's again, he's the guy. He's like I just I need to win one and then I'll retire. He's like me out at the park playing basketball I need to make 1 more 3 pointer then I'll go home. 27:43.97 Dave P Um, yeah, just or or just one in general for me, it would be 1 3 pointer just like ever you know? Ah, honestly oh my god I was just like you got it. 27:51.45 Dave J It just one in general. Yeah, you're right sounds like what's going on with him too. That's great. 28:01.17 Dave P Like I just I just looked at the guy's picture and was like wait just like okay, let's just check this guy out night like 97. They are not shying away from the fact that like it's not other other character in comparison. Other characters are 26 on this page eighteen thirty six forty one 24 28:20.72 Dave J There's this one that's like two hundred and fifteen years old though right. 28:25.56 Dave P I mean there's a couple unknowns as well. It's a couple unknowns ah pi pico or pico who's one of the early characters. You can you can race as and I think he's in the s and ES one as well. Um, he's one hundred and twenty three but in brackets it says or so he says. 28:36.10 Dave J Okay, okay, okay so he's at least 170 yeah yeah use like some of those baseball players where they're actually 15 years older than they say they are. 28:42.33 Dave P Ah, at least right? Yeah, he's he's going down as like in in like his age class or weight class. You know, let's so do it? Yeah yeah, ah. 28:54.83 Dave J Of Old I've I've got another one that I think is really funny So We've got you know some people we got a dinosaur the skull who's an actual skeleton. Bio says the skull was once the greatest driver of the FMax Grand prix which is a competition that pre-dates the coming of f 0 by some 200 years Thanks to inexplicable powers of science and black Magic. He has returned to the world to do what you might ask. To Race. He's here to race Again. He's back Racing. There's nothing else new in this Galaxy. No except to racing. Yeah I feel bad for the people that aren't f 0 racers because their lives are just. 29:28.85 Dave P Um, because he he did. He didn't do enough with that. Apparently he just there's no one has any like you said, no one has any purpose unless it is to raises. Ah. 29:43.63 Dave J Meaningless. 29:44.23 Dave P I Don't so based on this game I don't know and even honestly even the original I don't know if there are any other people in this world because the tracks are empty. Ah. 29:53.83 Dave J The tracks are empty but there are some levels where that it looks like there's like apartment buildings and stuff down below you. So yeah, yeah, ah. 29:59.24 Dave P Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, it could just be for all these racers because apparently everybody wants to race and there's at least 30 of them to start. Ah. 30:09.48 Dave J Want to want to run through a couple are like well like one more each. 30:13.17 Dave P Yeah I was ah I was looking in the main. The manual ones are kind of cool too because it shows it doesn't go through all of the care or maybe it does actually know I'm flipping through it. Um z zada or Zoda is one of them. Um, which similar to who. 30:24.00 Dave J Man. Yep. 30:29.97 Dave P You were talking about with black shadow um being like you know evil what was what was the ah what was the king of evil that's it. Yeah so Zada or Zoda is not the king of evil but the incarnation of evil and an intense unconquering earth. 30:34.10 Dave J The cane of evil. 30:49.77 Dave P So why he's racing the grandham prix is still a mystery which seems to be the question that we keep asking about all these guys but hey it is what it is his past disputes against the arrows and Captain Falcon are well known so he's just there to thwart them I will say he has a very cool looking. 30:54.73 Dave J Right. 31:08.85 Dave P Ah, racer. It's sort of like a triangle with ah with a a nose out front and he has sort of these like blue lightning bolts on a black background looks kind of cool. Um, so I'm I'm all I'm all for that kind of looks cool, but the the age is unknown the incarnation of evil thing is odd, but. 31:28.21 Dave P He's bad for the sake of being bad and you got to have some of that I guess in these goofy games. 31:32.25 Dave J Yeah, you know that like taking over the universe is it's stressful. Sometimes you got to go blow off steam. You got to go you got to go race. Ah exactly. 31:34.40 Dave P Yeah. 31:42.70 Dave P Sometimes sometimes you just got to hit a boost and and and let it fly you know, knock someone off a track. Yeah. 31:48.19 Dave J Knock somebody off of the track. Yeah I guess ah the last one I'll bring up is beast man who if you look at his picture beast man is a guy wearing a dinosaur costume or a crocodile costume I suppose dinosaur dinosaur. Um, so beast man already kind of. 32:07.60 Dave J Why are you wearing a costume when you're racing in these death races. But Beast man's bio explains why he's wearing a costume beast man was once attacked by a large space crocodile which changes life forever which makes sense to be honest, would change my life too. Um. 32:21.59 Dave P The are you sure it does. Ah. 32:25.93 Dave J Well let's if we're assuming that there are a large space crocodiles then getting attacked by one would would change your life So ah, donning the attire of a dinosaur he became the Beast Hunter his outfit was not able or was not only able to hide his identity but his apparent shyness as well. 32:27.90 Dave P Okay, okay I'll give you that all right. 32:45.34 Dave J He's shy. That's why he wears the costume and that's why he's racing an FZero yeah 32:49.80 Dave P Ah, ah, the reason why? ah um, he has 1 of the most generic names for his his racer as well called the hyper speeder again I like the way it looks it kind of looks like this old school cartoony version of like an like ah an old. 32:57.80 Dave J The hyper speeder. Yeah. 33:08.94 Dave P War Jet sort of thing. It's got like the the um shark teeth and eye and stuff at the front like whatever that sort of design is supposed to be called all for it until you got to the shy part of the description. He just sounded like craven that like he's he's just craven from from Spiderman but he's shy so he's. 33:18.96 Dave J Yeah, yeah, but he's shy. Yeah, we yeah, they're like all right We can't just put craven in the game you we have to change something. Okay, he's shy. How about that? yeah. 33:28.57 Dave P Shy craven I don't know. 33:37.15 Dave P Boom Sold ah promotion. Ah. 33:38.42 Dave J Yeah, exactly promotion there's one more that I thought was really funny. There's a there's an octopus in the game. His name is Octoman um octoman is a representative of Tecora which is a planet currently at odds with the milky way space federation. Of course they are. 33:44.10 Dave P Oh yeah, oh yeah. 33:57.85 Dave J The confrontation between the federation and teorra grows more tense and drawn out by the day. The taquareans are surrounded by enemies are in a very unstable economic state. This is all direct from the source here I didn't make this up due to this octoman wants to win the Grand Prix. So that he could pay the education cost for his children. 34:22.27 Dave P Um, honestly like I I have to I have to tell you that ah in a way you are wrong sir because at the beginning of this episode. You told everybody there is no story here. 34:24.36 Dave J He's the only one with noble reasons to race. 34:39.29 Dave P Oh there is a story. There is a story with octoman alone. 34:39.31 Dave J That's true. Oh yeah, octo man out practicing on the track all day long. He missed dinner. He comes home late His family's mad at him. He's like I'm doing all this for you. 34:55.25 Dave P But eat your spinach. Oh my God that like it's just I yeah like they don't have to do this. You know make make goofy looking characters make interesting looking like erasers and ships and stuff build the tracks that they built and stuff and and and sort of. 35:14.87 Dave P But at that I mean like you know it's totally fine and they could be you. You know some of the descriptions we've read are longer the ones in the manual are shorter because they just don't have the space just leave the ones in the manual like you don't have to go deeper than that just leave it as is but no, this guy is. 35:31.82 Dave P Getting involved with a milky way and education and he means business octoman means business and I love it. 35:38.30 Dave J Yeah, you So You've got the guy who's just trying to pay for his kid's Education. You've got the guy who's desperately trying to gain status for his gang. But every time he races it gets worse and Worse. There's like. So FZeroGx has a story mode and I'm much more inclined after putting these notes together and reading all of these to go back and play FZero gx because like I want to know what? what? So they take all these backstories then what happens like what is the story mode going to be like. 36:12.77 Dave P Um, how do they morph these to get there. Ah. 36:16.10 Dave J Yeah, exactly so and we we read maybe like 7 or 8 of these things. there's there's 20 more that you can go read on the wiki or in the manual for FZero x so again there's there's no plot in the game but I did. 36:19.46 Dave P Yeah. 36:32.62 Dave J Have so much fun going back and reading these character bios that I'm really glad we got to spend some time going through them and just kind of again painting the picture of this world that f 0 takes place in where everything revolves around these races. 36:48.28 Dave P Everything literally everything. Ah. 36:55.54 Dave J So moving into like the actual act of playing FZero x the first thing we got to talk about before we even talk about racing is we got to talk about this soundtrack. Um I've already said that this is like probably in my top 3 to 5 video game soundtracks ever. 37:05.49 Dave P Um, no. 37:13.48 Dave J It is a speed metal like shredding guitars some of the songs have like hyper compressed like kind of death metal vocals like growling and stuff like that. Um, but. 37:22.45 Dave P Oh yeah, yeah yeah. 37:28.17 Dave J Very heavy on again, shredding electric guitars some ah some Keyboards and stuff like that. It's It's fast-paced. It's pounding super melodic to very very recognizable melodies like. 37:42.32 Dave J People who probably you know if you never played this game but you play smash brothers you probably know mute city and big blue for the f zero stages there but this is a soundtrack I love cover to cover I listen to it probably more than any other video game soundtrack if you cohabitate Discord servers with me i. 37:55.31 Dave P Nice. 38:01.74 Dave J You probably see me drop FZero music in the the music channel. It's like every couple months or so um I fucking love it. What do you think. 38:10.69 Dave P It's It's awesome. Um I think I think what always impresses me with ah with soundtracks that even if even if the music isn't my style of music right? like if it fits with the theme and really. 38:18.90 Dave J Yeah. 38:25.79 Dave P Gets you into the mode of what the game is especially something like this where it's all about chaos and speed and and being able to sort of you know, obviously go as fast as you can win a race. Whatever it just even though these races are short I don't know the music just gets you pumping through these. Minute and a half to two and a half minute races and that's all you need right? like in short spurts. It's fine like I understand sitting there and and listening to the soundtrack having it on the background and stuff like that. But like the way that they constructed all these and and they just fit with like the style of the track they fit with sort of like the backgrounds they fit with. 39:03.66 Dave P I don't know it just makes sense to me and it kicks major ass like I just the the second I turned on the game on the switch and and just the menu started and then I just went and clicked on the first race which I think the first race is mute city which I think it is for all the games. Um. 39:21.95 Dave J Yeah. 39:21.98 Dave P I was like oh yeah, oh this song's the best. This is the best song I Love it. It's stuck in my head like ever since I pressed go on the first race a few weeks ago. It's been stuck in my head and I don't mind it at all because it kicks ass. 39:31.44 Dave J Yeah I think there's only like one track on the soundtrack that I don't like love with my entire heart and that's the Death Race song but it might be connected to the fact that we'll talk about it later I Think the death race is trash in this game. So maybe there's a connection there but like. 39:50.74 Dave J If I'm listening to the soundtrack on Youtube it is a just straight through the entire soundtrack I'll listen to it all I seek out all of those people on Youtube that do like metal electric guitar covers of video game music because this is this is what I want to hear them play this and like zenoblade chronicles music and stuff like that. So. 40:03.23 Dave P Nice, yeah. 40:09.51 Dave J Yeah, this is this is fantastic. Um, the s and nes game had the same type of music but it was with the ah the super Nintendo sound chip of course and it was really weird to me turning on again like I mentioned before FZero gx totally changed the way the music is and it is. 40:19.28 Dave P You have? ah. 40:28.65 Dave J It just doesn't have that pounding like like we said Thousand kilometers an hour feel to it like this one does which is a shame. 40:35.72 Dave P Yeah, yeah, it really is I I think it makes a huge difference. It really does like ah you know it's It's easy to get away with I think it's a little bit easy to get away with sometimes with racing games. Not lazy soundtrack but not. 40:39.71 Dave J Yeah, yeah. 40:52.25 Dave P Needing to do too too much with it and I think they did the opposite here they got however many people they got together to create this music and it just it just bombs you right through these races and I love it. I think it's.. It's super Great. It's not one of those games where I'm sitting there and like really focusing on the music but in a good Way. You know like I'm not sitting there going. Oh My God like to me Anyway, my experience with it is not oh like Race three Oh My God This song is. 41:24.39 Dave P So much better than the last one I'm just focused on the race itself but it's never something that's distracting. It's never something I'm not enjoying and it's always something that you know when I go back to that race I'll recognize and be like oh yeah, this one kicks ass. You know somehow it sits there even though I don't know what it's called I can't remember what race it was from. 41:25.66 Dave J Yeah. 41:43.48 Dave P But somehow I I hear it again and it it sort of flips a switch in my mind I'm like yep this is this is one of those ones. Um and I got that for I would say most of these races most of these songs. 41:51.31 Dave J Yeah, it does have that quality where like play we said this game's hard. So if you're focusing on the racing and then for. 41:57.96 Dave P Yeah, yeah. 42:03.23 Dave J A couple seconds you have a straightaway and your brain can kind of relax a little bit. You'll like come out of it and you'll there'll just be this wild guitar solo going on that you didn't realize was happening I'm at the point now where I know this soundtrack so well that I'm like humming along while I'm racing to it and it's yeah, it's just. 42:21.82 Dave P Nice. Ah. 42:22.30 Dave J It's fantastic part of the reason I put this in the Patreon poll to begin with is because I love the soundtrack so much and like 1 of the things I like the most about making these podcast episodes is listening to the soundtracks and putting them in the episodes I was like it's going to be fucking great for f zero x I can't wait. 42:36.40 Dave P Um, hell yeah and you know and it's it's kind of relentless but also in a good way because it it really doesn't it doesn't um, just like the game doesn't really hold your hand. The music doesn't either it kind of just. 42:40.58 Dave J Yeah. 42:53.00 Dave P In your face and the game is so and the game is supposed to be as well and like I mentioned before when we first started talking about it. It's just it fits with what it's supposed to be and to me that is a huge accomplishment when it comes to a soundtrack, especially for a racing game. 42:54.15 Dave J Yep, just goes. 43:08.48 Dave J Yeah, yeah, absolutely in a lot of racing games. You have other things to focus on besides the music I mean video game music in general is great at this as being background music a lot of times. But yeah, this is great. Um. 43:24.81 Dave J There is no voice acting in the game except for the announcer who has like maybe 5 stock things that he can say and the announcer has like a really um, what's the word like robot voice I don't know I forgot the verb. Um. 43:40.95 Dave P Um, yeah, it's sort of um this strange like ah it's it's sound. Yeah, it sounds sort of like almost like ah it almost sounds like you listen to someone on an answering machine from back in the day. 43:54.67 Dave J Um, ah ask yeah. 43:54.91 Dave P But with a look but but with like you know it's a little bit scratchy. It's a little bit faded I think part of that is just n 64 sound quality and stuff cartridge quality. Um I don't know what they were going for I know it's like supposed to be an announcer but it's also like this announcer that's only for you because sometimes he tells you like watch out or or you know it's the fun. 44:05.00 Dave J Yeah. 44:10.48 Dave J Yeah, watch your back. 44:13.77 Dave P Yeah, watch your back which I don't know ah should I always watch my back if I'm going this fast with 30 other race 29 other racers but I don't know when that triggers I don't know if you picked that picked up on that or not. But um. 44:25.50 Dave J It's weird because you would think it would mean there's someone behind you but there's 30 cars in FZero x there's always someone behind you. So. 44:30.24 Dave P Exactly always someone behind you I thought maybe it was when like your rival ah car. But but but it doesn't always happen that way because the rival would be in front of me because I'm not that great at this game. 44:36.44 Dave J Um, it might be yeah. Ah. 44:44.77 Dave P And I'd been you know fourth place. Third place something what your back like ah for what yet like you said there's 29 or 27 eraers behind me at this point I've yeah I got to watch I got watch in front of me never mind this this part of the track has no wall. You know. 44:57.69 Dave J Yeah, exactly. 45:01.36 Dave P Um I I kind of like it though like it's it's again like everything else that's sort of very over the top 80 s um camp kind of thing and the voice feels like that too. Um I will say one of my favorite little sort of soundbites of the game is just the countdown the 3 2 1 I love it. 45:05.51 Dave J Um, yeah. 45:18.99 Dave P I don't know what it is. It's just a little robotic 3 2 1 and then the ding happens and I I don't know it just it just everything in this for the sound and the and the music just fits nicely and and I enjoyed that. 45:32.17 Dave J Yep, it's it's got a perfect little timing thing where it counts down the 3 2 1 and then goes go and when it says go at the same time. It hits this weird pitch in its voice which I put at the beginning of the episode. So everyone got to hear it. 45:36.83 Dave P Yeah, yeah. 45:46.92 Dave J But it hits that weird pitch in the in the voice on the word, go the car engines all start and the first chord of the music starts all at the same time. So it's like starting off with a bang and it's it's awesome. Yeah. 45:55.27 Dave P Yeah, it's it's brilliant. Really, it just is um I think the rest of the sound effects are just fine like the the the racers and stuff it's fine. It's it's manageable like I don't I don't know that there's anything that stands out I don't know if you had if there was anything that you're like oh I Just love the way that sounded or felt but I think. 46:14.90 Dave P For me, it was everything outside of the of the cars like all the stuff that we've talked about so far because the cars to me were it was fine. The boost sounds fine, whatever but none of that stuff stood out as as anything special. Yeah. 46:21.79 Dave J Um, yeah. 46:26.56 Dave J Yeah, it's It's mostly the music that stands out the rest of the the sound effects are just you know Rocket boosting sound effects and stuff like that. Yeah those Rocket boosting sound effects and kind of the the driving soundtrack all plays into another like really. 46:33.91 Dave P Yeah, like that's it. That's. 46:46.30 Dave J Impressive thing about this game I think which is that they made the conscious decision to sacrifice visual stuff to make this game run at sixty frames a second on the n sixty four which again we talk about all the things this game does to sell the speed that the super Nintendo version can't sell you. The n sixty four one does and it's because it's sixty frames a second. The camera is by default lower to the ground. It's like not right behind your car but it's it's lower than the super Nintendo camera is um and then the music of course too. But because they did that. 47:24.68 Dave J I think you mentioned at the beginning what you have in this game or you have the 30 cars on the track you have the track and then you have some like cloud foggy backgrounds and that's it. That's all the detail that this game has because they cut out. Everything that they could to make it run at sixty frames a second. 47:44.56 Dave P Yeah, and um I didn't even actually make I I looked that up I think I noticed that like yesterday or two days ago or something the 60 frames thing I didn't even make that connection that that would like make a difference but actually and when you pointed out too I thought about this when I when I booted up the super Nintendo version briefly as well. Is that the angle does make a difference the camera angle on the car. It's almost It's I know I know when you're like looking outside of a vehicle in a racing game. It is technically quote unquote third person view or whatever it just it feels more like a third person perspective in. 48:19.68 Dave P And what would be an action game or something where you're like sort of at shoulder level with a character instead of like 2 or three feet above their head and I think that gives you a sense of speed because you really see the ground in front and behind you a little bit more and a lot of the designs of the ground are. 48:22.20 Dave J Yeah, right. 48:38.75 Dave P Every once in a while they're almost like it's like ah the floor will be built in a bunch of panels almost right? So it's like you're driving on a fence that is on the ground sort of thing where you just see all the panels sort of flying by you like if you're going really fast or something so it almost feels like you're you're moving faster than you probably actually are. 48:57.31 Dave P Um, or would be and all those little design choices. It doesn't matter what's behind you like you said like it could be very empty or mostly empty I never noticed that as being an issue because everything is so hyper focused on just your racing in your vehicle and trying to make it through the race. 49:11.13 Dave J Yeah, just try to make it through the race. Yeah. 49:17.26 Dave P But but it's a great design choice I think all of that is a great design choice and makes all of the feel of it work. 49:23.90 Dave J Yeah, you you do lose a little bit of like view of what's in front of you because the camera is a little bit lower so there is a little bit of trial and error with some of the harder tracks because you'll. 49:40.32 Dave J Come around to turn and suddenly the walls are gone and if you didn't expect it and you're going in the wrong direction. You'll just fly off the track and die and have to restart the race. So there is a bit of trial and error with learning the tracks because of the camera or if you pause the game you can change the camera angle. 49:46.15 Dave P Yeah. 49:59.17 Dave J Ah, you can get a more you can get a higher angle which yeah I can't do it. Yeah I can't do it because I'm just so used to the default but like you can change the camera. Yeah. 50:02.57 Dave P Yeah, it's a little bit wider I think yeah, yeah, it is higher. Yeah, that's true. Yeah I yeah I did it for 1 race I did it for 1 race and I was like it's fine I think it helps in some of those situations like you're saying um. But other than that I I just it's still even though it's not perfect I still think it. It felt better just plain as the default I think they made the right choice of making that the default and even if you didn't know that setting was there I think it's totally fine. It's a better way to play. 50:32.20 Dave J Yeah, speaking of playing let's ah, let's get on and talk about what it is actually like to play this game so we've been talking about. It's a racing game I think this that no I don't think this is the first racing game to be on tails from the backlog. So. 50:47.80 Dave P Oh. 50:49.22 Dave J Good. Ah good little first one to be on Fzero x um, unlike other racing games that you know I've played I think this game is actually pretty unique in this regard that it is a racing game that is trying to sell you that you're going incredibly fast and that's the deal with this. You're going 9 8 Nine hundred Thousand kilometers an hour as they measure it in the game. Um, and so the way it works is you pick your vehicle in your character at the beginning. They all have different stats for body body rating because cars do have durability they can they can blow up in this. 51:28.22 Dave J Um, a boost rating and a grip rating for turns Captain Falcon is like the default racer because he's the most balanced. He's the mario of this game and his ratings are like b b and c I think something like that. Yeah yeah. 51:36.68 Dave P Yeah, yeah, ah be body C Boost B group are grip. Sorry yeah so yeah. 51:46.81 Dave J But you can pick lots of different racers you unlock more racers by beating Grand prix and stuff like that. Um, before every race you can also kind of tune your car to be heavy on acceleration or heavy on max speed and. 52:01.99 Dave J Let you do this after seeing the map of the track that you're going on so it has a bunch of straightaways then maybe hit that max speed If it's a winding track maybe lean on acceleration a bit more. 52:13.60 Dave P Yeah I got I'm of 2 minds about this sort of idea I like this idea I find that to be unique. It's not just that each vehicle and each driver has their own sort of 3 stats like you mentioned, um which I think the. 52:29.52 Dave P Ones I noticed the most out of all those stats was the was the grip because some of the one some of the characters that didn't have good grip I was like I cannot control this thing. Um I had to go with ones that I think C was the lowest that could go otherwise I was all over the place. Um, it makes it makes sense it. It is what it is. That's totally fine depends on your play style and everything. 52:48.30 Dave P But the the acceleration and max speed thing. Um, you know, pulls up a little menu gives you a little sort of like snapshot of your character on the left side. Um, which are the same snapshots they have like in the manual so kind of gives you a full body sort of and you can change the color of your vehicle as well at the same time. Um. So the acceleration and speed thing is interesting. It's just a dial and just goes left to right and you can sort of I think it's like 6 or 7 different sort of like little sort of like areas you can choose from of like if you want to be a little bit more to the left or the right acceleration or speed. Um. 53:18.16 Dave J Yeah. 53:21.28 Dave P 1 thing I remembered with this game is because it's one of the only games I remember doing this growing up is when I didn't know what acceleration meant and and I immediately went all the way to the left because the way that they animate it is that the sort of like graph. 53:40.39 Dave P That is behind that bar goes straight up to acceleration so it almost almost makes it look like you're gonna go faster if you go all the way to the left. So I was like of course I want to go the fastest I'm gonna go all the way to the left I'm gonna pick as high to acceleration as you possibly go. 53:57.10 Dave P There's there's strategy and obviously that's incorrect but there's strategy to picking it depending on the race.. The only thing is yeah if you see like a lot of turns and stuff you're like okay maybe I'll pick better acceleration because I need to sort of go around turns a certain way. Maybe I'll I'll bump into a wall every once in a while I'll have to sort of. Really sort of manage my ah my speed so I can keep up with the pack if I mess up or something but every once in a while you get tracks where it looks like there's a lot of turns. But really, it's just loops and stuff and and then you're playing with an acceleration that you don't need and then you have to basically either. 54:33.92 Dave P Reset the race or just you know take whatever position you get and you know it's fine. They try. They show you a sort of little 3 d rendering like you said of the map beforehand but I think unless you like play these maps a few times you're not I didn't remember some of them like associate the names with some of the actual like. Visuals of of playing the actual map. It's a race itself so every once in a while it was like a son of a bitch I could be winning this race if I just picked better speed for example, um, so it works to a certain extent I like the a mechanic and the idea of it. It's just it would be nice if it was a little more clear. 54:59.80 Dave J Yeah. 55:11.72 Dave P But understand there's probably limitations to that as well like I don't know. Maybe. 55:13.43 Dave J No, yeah, it's it's a cool mechanic. It's a cool idea and for people that are better at FZero x than I am it's probably like the difference between winning on the high difficulties and not um, the thing is that there are 29 other cars on the track. So like. 55:33.55 Dave J Even if you have a track with a bunch of straightaways and you boost up the max speed. Um, if you run into one of the other cars then you're going to slow down and need to accelerate back up and because there's so many cars. It's kind of hard to avoid bumping them constantly. Ah, so yeah. 55:41.16 Dave P Yeah, yeah. 55:47.78 Dave P Especially on the tighter ones too like it's It's honestly impossible. 55:53.90 Dave J Yeah, so this was like I would try to strategize a little bit but every race kind of ended up feeling the same because I I couldn't avoid running into the other cars and you know the cars all have durability and so I think part of what they want. 56:11.45 Dave J From f zero is they they want this to be kind of like racing combat you know like f zero ninety nine has like a spin attack that you can do to hit like actually attack other cars near you. This game doesn't have that what you can do is kind of like. 56:16.70 Dave P Yeah. 56:28.43 Dave J Ram them try and knock them into the sides or knock them off the edge of the level. It's really hard to do that though. So most of the time I just kind of raced and tried to avoid them. 56:37.84 Dave P Yeah I think I mean this will play into a little bit of of the sort of it was a battle battle mode or survival whatever the death race. That's a yeah, it's not. It's not a battle. It's it's to the death I should have known of all games I should have known it was a death race. It kind of plays into a little bit. Ah but of that. Um. 56:40.64 Dave J The the death race. Yeah, it's a death race. Yeah right. 56:55.60 Dave P It It doesn't quite work like I think I think because you're because you are going so fast and they make you feel like you're going so fast trying to bump into someone purposely sort of really throws off your balance sometimes especially if you have those vehicles like I mentioned that have like lower level grip. 57:14.82 Dave P Sometimes that just like whips you around and you're just like whoa. Okay I can't control this and it just so yeah, every once in a while I would maybe do it if it was really and where I was was really beside another vehicle I would like okay I'll press r twice and see if it works or whatever but you're never really significantly damaging them. So it's more just. Do the do the corners right? hit the boosts when you need to use your boost when you need to and just try to survive like you mentioned and hit thirteen fourteen hundred kilometers an hour a couple times if you have if you can depend on the race and you'll probably be okay, but yeah, it's. 57:38.96 Dave J Yeah. 57:52.76 Dave P It's not it never to me. It never felt like oh this is this is a race to the death. It just felt like this is a race to the fastest and less mistakes like just that's it. 57:58.59 Dave J Yeah, yeah, exactly and you know a lot a lot of the later tracks are pretty difficult to just stay on the track at the like 3 3 entire laps because they have. 58:14.72 Dave J Ah, sections without guardrails and stuff like that if you fly off the track you die and have to start the race over again. So you're right, a lot of it is just survival and just trying to win the race and if you end up blowing up another car. Ah, you get a little star on your Ui which I'm like oh cool I did it and but I didn't try to most of the time I don't think so I think it's just the kill count. Yeah. 58:34.90 Dave P Yeah, does thear do anything I meant I wanted to ask it. It does it. Do you know I don't think it does right? It's It's a kill count it should. It should be like like in the you know the sort of like old school like Jail thing where they put like a yeah then or let know like an etc on the on the and on the wall or or to your truck. 58:47.98 Dave J Yeah, the tear drops. Oh yeah, Captain Falcon's got yeah 3 tear drops. Yeah, um. 58:53.68 Dave P Imagine that you go back and you get like 3 stars in your car has has he's got teardrops on him. Ah, it's it's fine honestly, the only time that I got that was on those port parts of tracks and some of them that don't have a lot of barriers where I like bumped into someone. They accidentally fell off. 59:11.99 Dave J Yeah, now there's an entire mode of this game called the death race like we said where they basically line up 30 cars on a track with no turns and they just set you loose to try to destroy all the other cars. 59:13.22 Dave P Like that's that's the only time I got it. 59:31.68 Dave J Um, have you tried this. 59:32.54 Dave P I did try it I was I think you alluded to it a little earlier. It's It's not great I Think for me, it would make more sense if it was not just a straightaway. 59:44.44 Dave J It would make more sense if it was not a straightaway and the the killer thing for this is that the the enemy drivers just drive straight. They don't try to attack each other. They don't try to attack you. They just drive straight and it it really feels like they were like. 59:55.38 Dave P Yeah I Never even noticed that you're right? They don't ah. 01:00:03.11 Dave J We need to have another game mode and what can we do all right? It's a death race. We have a week to program this. So here's a straight track. Everyone's on the track. They just drive straight and I I remember playing this as a kid. We never beat one because. That would be that's a ridiculous thing to do to beat this death race. But we would we would play and kill like 10 of the enemy drivers and that would take like an hour. It's ah it's an insane thing to attempt? yeah. 01:00:35.34 Dave J It's it's interesting that it's there. It fits in like what the point of FZero is from a story perspective but it's real bad as a way to spend your time as an adult. Yeah yeah. 01:00:43.36 Dave P It's yeah as a quote unquote adult as I mean people call us adults I don't know if we actually are but um, ah yeah, it's I think i. 1 I don't think it would take an hour to take out 10 cars or accidentally even take out 10 cars if they did this on if you did this on some of the tracks because you come close to being destroyed or other vehicles become close to being destroyed on regular races. Why don't why don't you just play a track for. 01:01:02.41 Dave J Yeah. 01:01:15.65 Dave P 10 minutes and see what happens because it would be more likely that the computer or someone you're playing with would hit the wall a little bit too much and that's what would do them in great just do that and it makes you feel like you're playing a similar. 01:01:32.85 Dave P Like just like a different version of what you've been playing up until this point and it just makes you like maybe use your aggression or your you know, aggressive like approach to racing in a different way but within the same sort of quote unquote like universe or game style. You know so I don't know it doesn't. 01:01:51.58 Dave J Yeah. 01:01:51.65 Dave P The straightaway thing killed me the most I was just like wait. What I thought it was just a start honestly and then it was like 3 minutes I'm like well no, this is just how it is I guess ah. 01:01:58.87 Dave J Yeah, it is. It is just a pure time sink and you're right when you do some of the normal races, especially the ones that have like unguarded you know edges of the track like 4 to 6 enemy drivers will fly off and die during every race. So if you could just you know turn that into a death race. Don't make it be the regular 3 lap races. Um and just keep going then that would be better. Um, yeah, most races are 3 laps. Um. 01:02:35.60 Dave J A lap usually takes like 30 seconds in this game so they're really really quick races again. Great game to pick up and play. Um, the grand pri modes have sets of 6 courses each. Yeah, there's 5 grand pre modes. You only have access to 3 01:02:47.18 Dave P Yeah, yeah 01:02:54.16 Dave J By default you unlock more by beating the Grand prix on higher difficulties which is not something that I can do at all. So I just live with the three by default. Maybe I can try and like use some emulator Hacks to to unlock the other ones or something. 01:03:10.33 Dave P There's probably some cheat that you can put in in an emulator or something. Yeah, for sure. 01:03:12.40 Dave J Yeah in each grand prix. You have 6 lives for your car or fewer on higher difficulties and the last grand prix the king cup of the default 3 There's 2 more that are harder the king cup I often would lose all 6 lives during that. 01:03:17.55 Dave P Great. 01:03:31.67 Dave J From flying off the sides of the the track because it's just ah, the cars handle a little bit slippery if you're not in total control. You have the um like the power slide type moves to help you turn you can. Also I think they really want you to like. 01:03:38.19 Dave P Yeah. 01:03:51.50 Dave J Let off the accelerator when you turn and then like pick it back up, but it still it is a a tough game to control on some of these harder tracks. There's um, a couple tracks. There's one with a half pipe where if you're not careful. You will just get in this out of control loop of going up each side of the half pipe and then fly out. 01:04:06.30 Dave P You just just go left right? left right? left like you just and you could yeah and you can whip yourself right? off the track like no problem. But I I played that one actually this morning and and I was just the the first time I did it. It's like and you it. It's so hard to get yourself back back. 01:04:11.45 Dave J Yeah, you. 01:04:24.99 Dave J Oh yeah, it's definitely a ah panic loop when you start that. 01:04:25.68 Dave P Back on track it ah hundred percent and it but it looks it looks hilarious I just sort of let it go and I was just like okay I'm going to try and try you really have to like really slow down because I think that is the only way you can sort of like regrip yourself kind of thing. 01:04:34.14 Dave J The clip. 01:04:42.96 Dave P Um, those types of tracks and those types of like designs in the tracks I think are are cool ideas. There's a lot of interesting ideas of what they do with the tracks here because they can kind of just go wild with it like they did with everything else in this game. Um, there's 1 in particular that's similar. It's ah it's sort of like an opposite half pipe. 01:04:54.68 Dave J And. 01:05:02.73 Dave P Um, it's the one that's just like a tube and you're just cutting it like on the outside of the tube thing that if you go too fast. You can throw yourself right off it which I didn't realize so I did that like the second time I did that race. Um I think on the on the sort of middle difficulty because it's like I gotta go faster. Um. 01:05:02.88 Dave J Yeah, where you're going on the outside of the tube. Yeah. 1 yep. 01:05:20.52 Dave P That's also one of the races as well when you look at the the 3 D Map Rendering it looks like there's a lot of turns but you're kind of only going straight for the most part. Um, but like those ideas I love that they can do that in this game like I love. Those design choices and the fact that they can just go wild with these courses I don't think they all work but none of them make me super frustrated I'm never like oh my god I have to do this race again. I just okay, it's just not as good as the last one and that's pretty much it and that's. 01:05:51.93 Dave J Yeah, yeah, there's a couple races where um I have trouble getting through without dying but a lot of times number one. It's never because I'm out of durability on the car. It's always because I fly off the side of. 01:05:52.77 Dave P I Mean that's that's good level design really is what that is. 01:06:09.57 Dave J V edge because I was just you know going too fast um a couple times like I will just think I have things lined up right? and then a turn comes and I'm not lined up right? and and I. 01:06:12.23 Dave P Yeah, yeah. 01:06:25.35 Dave J Don't like take you know that half second to slow down before a turn or miss the good time to use the power slide or something like that and fly off. Um, but ah when you do fly off a lot of times. It was like yeah I got out of control there. Yeah. 01:06:38.79 Dave P Yeah, yeah, it's it's your own. It's of your own doing I think um oh when you met Oh That's what I meant to say before when you're mentioning sort of different approaches that sort of taken the turns and like there's sort of like a drift I Guess in a way and and all that I got into the habit of just tapping the gas. When I ran around some of the corners and I didn't really use the other sort of ways of approaching it. So it would yeah it would keep my speed up a decent amount but it would slow me down just enough that I could some of the really tight ones I you know didn't quite work for that. 01:06:59.69 Dave J Interesting. 01:07:13.15 Dave P But if it was not like a hairpin turn I could find my way actually around that corner pretty well and find that I would be in the same position I was and and still staying with with the pack kind of thing and you know it helps a little bit more when there's not as many vehicles around you because they're not bumping you around and stuff but like on the second lap. For example. Ah, the second half of the second lap was like okay, go start tappping the gas around that corner and I I've found that to work. maybe maybe I'm just really aggressive and have a hard time doing things that like ah like pressing the break in a racing game is just not intuitive to me I just don't want it I just don't want to do it. Um. 01:07:48.52 Dave J Right? You don't want to? yeah I leaped on those um those power turns the power slides I did not do like the tapping of the accelerator so that worked out pretty well for me most of the time you you do have to like time it correctly or you'll just. 01:07:56.26 Dave P Okay, yeah. 01:08:05.11 Dave J Power slide right into the wall. But yeah that that worked out for me I guess the only other thing to talk about like what you're thinking about when you're racing is on the second lap like you just mentioned. Ah you unlock boost power the announcer goes you got boost power it with this weight. 01:08:20.80 Dave P Rights? Yeah, yeah, you don't you don't unlock boost power you Unlock boost power like that's that's what you get? yeah. 01:08:26.17 Dave J Exactly? Um, so you get a boost that you can use but the the catch is that boosting drains the health of your vehicle so you can't just boost all the time that you want to or you will blow up from just running out I would guess you. 01:08:43.24 Dave J You can maybe use it 5 or 6 times without healing something right? and that's assuming you don't hit anything. Also there are health strips on the ground of every track but driving in the health strip slows you down. So. 01:08:45.68 Dave P Um, yeah, if if you don't smack into a wall. Yeah yeah. 01:08:59.70 Dave J It's always a little bit of risk and reward of how much do you use your boost when do you use your boost because you you don't want to do it and then come up on a turn and crash into the wall or something like that. Um, do you go in the health strips because if other cars are in their healing up. You can get. You can gain some ground if you avoid it. So. 01:09:18.22 Dave P It it? Yeah for me it it depends I think I I think until I really got the hang of sort of doing the tap. The gas thing on the turns and stuff I played this game Super aggressive like I don't know if it was the music that was amping me up or just because I felt like I was going so fast like I don't know I wasn't throw myself off. 01:09:36.81 Dave P Off ah you know ledges and stuff like that when I played the first couple in the lower difficulty I was blowing up because I was just hitting all the walls like I was just out of control. Um, once I got you know I was like okay I I got to rein it in a little bit I got to play this a little bit more responsibly so I can actually survive. Um I I went into the. 01:09:56.25 Dave P Into the strips if I was around 50% of my health and I was not in the top 5 I would say um, depending on the race right? So the reason why is because the the risk reward thing of. Of using your boost and and your health meter I guess or or your you know Um, so I needed to make sure that I had enough to set a catch up if I needed to um, but it just depends it depends for the most part though I I do think I I took it for at least ah a second or 2 um, but some tracks. Really try to edge you to not do it because I'll have like boosts in between the two sides of where it is so like a boost strip or whatever. Um, the only problem with that is just like every other racing game of this era and almost every era is you know the rubber banding so I could hit that boost all I wanted and it. 01:10:38.60 Dave J You know. 01:10:52.24 Dave P Probably didn't do anything so I just took the extra health essentially and then I could use a boost one more time at the end of the race and try and close the gap. So. 01:10:57.57 Dave J Yeah, yeah, the the rubber banding is definitely noticeable and once you get on higher difficulties you you get to a point where like there's no rubber banding. You're just you're not going to catch up to the leaders. It's just really difficult. 01:11:17.39 Dave J Um, that's where I think you know being a master of taking all the turns like knowing the tracks inside and out tactically using your boost and stuff like that. There's there's like a really high degree of skill it would take to do well on high difficulties in this game. 01:11:34.99 Dave P Um, absolutely yeah, yeah, no I think so too. 01:11:36.16 Dave J Variety of reasons. But yeah so I think like some aspects of the gameplay. We've talked about are a little bit like you know the cars feel a little bit slippery if you're not like really on top of techniques for turning and. 01:11:53.98 Dave J Basic Turns by the way not like you know going through like really crazy s turns we're talking just a right turn? Um, you got to be a little bit on top of some of the techniques. Otherwise it feels really slippery Thoroughber banding can be a thing especially if you go on normal or expert difficulty. Um. 01:11:58.87 Dave P Um, yeah. 01:12:13.16 Dave J Some of the tracks are a little bit difficult to finish until you like really learn them well and learn where those sections with no guardrails are and be really careful or fucking take your time in the Halfpipe you know so stuff like that. So like the game can be a bit frustrating. 01:12:32.51 Dave J From like you know, but I don't like find myself like getting mad at this game ever. It's just it's still you know despite a couple things we point out as you know, not being perfect or anything like that. It's still just like ah a blast to play. To pick up f zero x and play it for 15 minutes play through one of these grand prix. You know six races. Each race is 2 minutes long something like just pick up and play like that I don't really care about unlocking stuff I don't really. 01:13:06.39 Dave P Boom. 01:13:06.44 Dave J You know I want to win the races but that's about as far as my desire goes. So this is just you know a ton of fun to to pick up and experience. 01:13:13.21 Dave P I agree I think that like you mentioned a while ago like don't take it too seriously like they're they're having fun with this and so should you honestly and like if you don't have the handle on things and you feel like ooh I don't like the way that that vehicle start over 01:13:31.82 Dave P You only you probably only put 4 minutes into the game start over and pick a different one that has slightly different stats and don't think too too much about the acceleration and speed part of it I think just keep it right in the middle, especially for the first for the first gp on the lowest difficulty you'll you'll probably be fine. 01:13:32.33 Dave J Right. 01:13:49.15 Dave P Um, especially for the first couple races that are just like really wide and you're you're not really worried too too much I'm a bumping into the walls I think like you know play a couple of sets of races if if the first one didn't sell you play it again but pick someone different. You'll probably get a little bit of a feel for what they're trying to do with this because you'll have slightly different stats. And ah and then you'll be like okay at least for me to when I was refamiliarizing myself with the game I picked I can't remember who I picked first it wasn't falcon I don't even think I played as Falcon once actually now they think about it. Um, because like I don't want to be like you said Mario I don't want to be Mario I want to be some other crazy. 01:14:27.60 Dave P Guy from the first you know group of of characters. Um, and yeah, it is just it's just fun. It's not perfect, but it is damn fun and sure maybe I won't play it tomorrow. Maybe I won't play it next week but it is I have the cartridge and even if I stop playing switch online. It's going to be 1 of those games that I will just put in my 64 and play for half an hour play for 20 minutes and I might not be that great at it. But I don't care like it's just cool. It's a cool fucking game is what it is and and I think that makes that. 01:14:51.20 Dave J Um, yep. 01:14:59.31 Dave J It is you you. 01:15:04.22 Dave P That's us it they should sell it as FZero cool as fuck like that's what it should be called. 01:15:09.43 Dave J It is. It is a cool game. It's you know I like I said I don't take this game super seriously I turn it on I play on one of the 2 lower difficulties I blast through a grand prix I enjoy the soundtrack I enjoy the you know the simulated feeling of going you know. 01:15:19.44 Dave P Yeah. 01:15:29.10 Dave J Ah, Thousand kilometers an hour. Maybe I'll screw up and I'll fly off the side of the track and you know watch my car fall down and take out an entire city block or something like that. It's it's just a really fun game and it's it's one that i'm. Have a level of comfort with like the controls and the speed and the the way everything handles that I can just you know jump in and have a good time. Um, who would you recommend as far as like someone for a first time player. What kind of person. Would you recommend F0X two 01:16:02.15 Dave P Um, um I say I think to get started I'm trying to I'm looking through the names here I think it was the Pico character I can't remember if he's on the first row of vehicles of the second. He's the one that sort of looks like almost looks like he has like a turtle shell on him or something he has like a green and yellow. 01:16:19.72 Dave P Ah car. Um, so he's one of the early ones if you beat the first gp or first Gps on like the lowest difficulty you'll get him at least on the second tier. The reason why he's pretty good is because his body is a b which means if you screw up and you're bumping around too much. He'll survive a little bit more than most his boost is also a b so if you like the speed. And you're playing too aggressively at least you got the body to back you up? Um, and the c kind of feels like for his grip kind of feels like the middle ground of where you can sort of slide a little bit but not slide too much and I feel like he feels very balanced because some of the characters that had a higher boost than a b like an a even. It was easier for me to get out of control. So I think stick with the sort of b's and c's I think for the most part or if you're find finding like you're slipping around too much find someone with a higher grip I I would say don't get too caught up in the in the bee or sorry in the boost ah part of it. 01:17:17.80 Dave P Because I don't know that it makes a massive difference I think the body and the grip are going to give you a better sort of handle on how to sort of manage your way through some of these, especially the early tracks. 01:17:30.91 Dave J Gotcha yeah yeah I would agree so who would you recommend play f zero x you know people out there listening and you're thinking like yeah, this might be fun I'm not sure I'm not sold. Um. What kind of person. Do you think would enjoy Fzero x. 01:17:47.94 Dave P I think I mean if you've had a decent amount of experience with early racing games. You know super Nintendo even mario cart 64 Didy Kong racing ah but especially if you've played and enjoyed wipe out I think. 01:18:02.88 Dave J Who. 01:18:05.75 Dave P This is sort of the Nintendo equivalent of what wipeout is because it's got the speed It's got the futuristic sci-fi it's got the music all of that type of stuff. Um I haven't played a wipe out and in a very long time like none of the new ones haven't tried them I I remember enjoying the early days of wipe out and stuff. But. I don't know if it's the personality of these somehow this game feels like it's got just a little bit more going on with it. So um, if you want a racing game that feels a little bit faster and is a little bit more wacky. Um, and is honestly I think doing something different. Um, then just picking up power ups and stuff as like the cart racer and stuff I think this is where you go I think this is 100% the place that you go and it is like you mentioned I think pretty much off the top to me. It is the superior version especially compared to the super Nintendo one I haven't played the game cube one? Um, but to me this one feels like it's. 01:18:46.33 Dave J Um, yeah. 01:19:03.28 Dave P Not perfect, but it's damn fun and that's what really matters. So yeah. 01:19:06.64 Dave J Yep, exactly? Um I guess one other thing to point out is you made a good point. This is not a racing game where you're going to play you know collecting power Ups messing with your friends or something like that This feels a bit more um I don't want to say. 01:19:16.32 Dave P Yeah. 01:19:23.84 Dave J Serious because it's not a serious game but it's not Mario Kart it's not Didy Kong racing it. It is a game that I think is best you know plates I can't imagine playing this game multipillar I'll just I'll just say that like play its or if you're like. 01:19:39.21 Dave P Um, it'd be hard. 01:19:40.91 Dave J Playing with someone you know local just pass the controller back and forth because races take a minute and a half basic. But yeah recommended I mean I recommend this game to anyone who you know wants to play racing game and hasn't tried it because it's It's a pretty unique one in the sense of speed that you get again. 01:19:42.57 Dave P Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:19:59.10 Dave J Can't talk and enough sugar about the soundtrack. It's um, it's just a great time and now that it's on switch online if you have the expansion pass you can play FZero x if you just have like the regular switch online you can at least play the super nintendo and then. 01:20:17.97 Dave J For some ah point you know until some future point you can play FZero ninety nine until they cut that but you can play that so f zero is available and I think that's pretty damn cool. Um, there are like I said there's actually I'm going to open up. 01:20:22.78 Dave P Yeah, yeah. 01:20:36.26 Dave P Yeah, oh yeah, the indie game stuff. Yeah, actually that's like that'd be awesome man like anything that the indie community is doing with games and they're trying to like bring back old ones and old feel and stuff like that like. 01:20:36.72 Dave J Steam real fast and find that an indie one. 01:20:53.35 Dave P It's it's great to see because they're sort of expanding and innovating on like they're not just going to make you know? ah whatever um b zero instead of FZero you know like they're they're not just going to like name name it slightly different. 01:21:11.25 Dave P I Don't know what I was going to say but I had a hard time finding another letter. Apparently there's no other letter to use. Um, yeah I Love it. 01:21:13.53 Dave J Okay, yeah I thought yeah okay so I found the one that's being made. It's called aero Gpsx and it has has kind of like that cells shaded art style like if you played sable or something like that. 01:21:24.33 Dave P Um, who I like that name. Okay. 01:21:31.44 Dave J Um, it looks really fucking cool. This is you know a classic thing in the gaming industry like Nintendo doesn't want to make an f zero game nintendo doesn't want to make or whoever I forget who makes Harvest Moon it's the same story. The person was like they're not making harvest moon the way I like it I'm gonna make it I'm gonna make Stardew Valley so this 01:21:47.64 Dave P Yeah, yeah. 01:21:50.56 Dave J These developers are saying no one. They're not going to make new f zero fuck it I'll make it myself. So yeah, exactly so again I really do recommend people check out FZero x I love it. But I also want to give a little plug for aero gpx because that looks really cool. 01:21:54.34 Dave P As they should. 01:22:00.92 Dave P Yeah. I am going to wish list that because that is right at my alley. 01:22:09.10 Dave J Yeah, supposedly coming out spring of 2024 so we'll see perhaps people will hear that on tales from the backlog in the future. So yeah, a pretty pretty easy recommendation for FZeroX I knew that basically before I even started playing it. 01:22:13.69 Dave P Okay, nice. 01:22:27.98 Dave J This episode but I'm glad that it held up the way that I thought it would so. 01:22:29.73 Dave P Yes, it's tough sometimes with games like this like even like even just saying the way it looks it. It doesn't need to look super flashy. It doesn't need to look like the best racing game ever. But how they make everything feel. 01:22:40.70 Dave J Yeah. 01:22:46.90 Dave P Brings the whole package together and everything like it doesn't have to be the greatest track ever. It doesn't have to have all this stuff in the background that really fills it in it is the experience of playing It is what really matters in a game like this and I think like they nail like 80% of it. I would say. 01:23:04.64 Dave J Yeah, it's it's good and um, a lot of games like you said that you know I loved as a kid you know I played fzerox when I was like 1112 years old something like that I really loved it back then. Revisiting it for the podcast and loving. It is not a foregone conclusion. That's oftentimes not the way it works and you know this quite well because you are revisiting games for your Nintendo 64 podcast remember and or remember 64. 01:23:22.40 Dave P Yes, exactly. 01:23:37.93 Dave J Remember 64 so please tell everybody before I start talking about myself, please tell everybody about remember 64 I guessed it on the show before we talked about the lovely south park game for the n sixty four so tell everybody about the show. 01:23:56.10 Dave P Um, yeah, so the way I put it sort of like in the in the tagline or at least elevator pitch like we did with the with this game is that um I'm I'm going through with a bunch of guests like yourself and and ah rotating co-hosts and guests and stuff on every episode is someone different um or most episodes someone different.= 01:24:13.64 Dave P Um, the good the bad the ugly and everything in between because the N sixty four is and I've used this and guests have used this ah multiple times as a description for games that we've played um is kind of awkward that that stage that generation of gaming. 01:24:32.83 Dave P The playstation included I would say um is awkward. You know things don't look amazing sometimes they don't control very well most of the time I would say and um, there's a lot of limitations to that technically so we're going through the entire library of the n 6 4 we are as of this recording just under 40 episodes of just under 40 games through some of the heavy hitters are behind us. We've done mario 64 we've done Diddy Kong Racing we've done Kirby we've done smash we've done donkey kong 64 yourself you you came on and we did south park um, and. 01:24:55.96 Dave J Is it. 01:25:11.81 Dave P But everything's a mix right? like yeah I remember loving you know smash brothers or I remember loving mario 64 or you remembered loving South Park and you go back and sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't but there's a lot of titles on the n 64 1 of the reasons why I wanted to do it. 01:25:30.68 Dave P Was because there's a lot of games that I did not play I think almost everybody played all the obvious ones they played the Mario parties the Mario Kart the arcre of time and then outside of that I had my game boy advance or I had my my game boy color. 01:25:46.74 Dave J Listen. 01:25:48.71 Dave P So I didn't experience a lot of these games including South Park like when you came on so there's a lot of surprises whether they're good surprises or bad ones. It really just depends on the game in the episode I I really unless it's one that I really had fond memories for like didycong racing is one of the ones that I will always love. It's not even fair that. 01:25:51.64 Dave J Right. 01:26:07.47 Dave P You know that I can compare that to anything else because to me, it's like a a class s class sort of sort of game but I would say 80% of this library I've never played before or I don't remember playing it and I like the surprises I like that. 01:26:22.20 Dave P I can be pleasantly surprised or pleasantly disappointed if that's a thing. 01:26:23.33 Dave J Yeah, one of the things too is like because you know for you and me and I imagine most of your guests I mean I listen to this show. So I can confidently say most of your guests were all of a similar age so most of us did grow up with the n64 01:26:42.80 Dave P Yeah, yeah. 01:26:42.57 Dave J In some capacity. So the way that what I like about that with people's weird childhood histories with games is like you said most people have a history with smash brothers and Mario Kart and acarina of time but everyone's got like those 2 weirdo and 64 games that they played a ton that no one else is like. Played or maybe even heard of and so that's an opportunity to really learn about some weird cool games on the show. 01:27:03.36 Dave P Um, yep. 01:27:06.54 Dave P Yeah, and and it's a little bit selfish but hopefully it helps with the audience as well whereas like for yourself when we're we're talking about you coming on I'd ask what the guest wants to play because if I choose something I'm just going to choose smash and Didy Kong racing 17 times. 01:27:21.72 Dave J For the. 01:27:24.30 Dave P You know and that's not that's that's one that's boring. But I mean I'll play it again. But um, you know and that kind of stuff and now this is sort of like long-term plan at some point we're gonna start playing some like n six four mods because there's a lot of people out. There's a mod community out there. Yeah, that's making like. 01:27:38.46 Dave J That'll cool. 01:27:40.90 Dave P New stages for banjo Kazooie and for Ocarina of Time and mashing up you know Zelda and mario 64 and things like that and like you know you can do that with emulation devices and stuff is they're built to be played that way and so we'll do some different stuff as we go along as well. It's not just every single game. But. F zero x on the list I mean pick a game that you that you probably like you said anyone out there. It's listening pick a game that like you think is like obscure and no one's played or anything like that I'm sure I haven't played it and I'm sure a lot of people out there haven't and we'll get to it at some point and. 01:28:19.52 Dave P Believe me, we will do our darndest to to give it to to give it justice. 01:28:23.96 Dave J Nice, um, so I like we already said I was a guest on the episode about the South Park game the one with all the turkeys not the south car now the South Park Racing game the the first first person shooter with the snowballs and stuff. 01:28:41.30 Dave J Other than that episode. Um, what episode would you recommend people check out from the show. You could give a recommendation for a place to start. Ah right I would say that on level 20 of the podcast ah Matt stormageddon. 01:29:50.77 Dave J This effort. 01:30:02.87 Dave J Good friend of tales from the backlog. 01:30:02.96 Dave P Came to the show and brought exactly and fantastic show as well. But they brought buck bumble so similar to to what we've been talking about how you know every once in a while there like yourself bringing South Park buck bumble is a perfect example Matt said hey I want to bring this game that I have. 01:30:09.98 Dave J A heart. 01:30:22.72 Dave P And affection for growing up and I knew nothing about this game I recognized the cover and that's pretty much it and I said great. Let's do it. So not only do we end up playing a game that we both enjoyed I was I loved this game I thought it was excellent. It's not perfect. But I thought it was excellent. Still like. 01:30:40.43 Dave J And. 01:30:42.36 Dave P Really great time. Um, we just had a really good time sort of reminiscing about games like that that are kind of like obscure or or feel like they were really big to you but they aren't to other people you know and you're kind of surprised about that. So I think it's a good Encap encapsulation of experiencing something that is familiar to one and not to the other and. 01:30:51.13 Dave J Then. 01:31:02.34 Dave P Talking about this game and experiencing it over again which Matt did and for the first time like myself so ah level twenty I called garden warfare um, that would be the ones to check out for buck bumble I think that's one of the ones that stands out to me. 01:31:16.73 Dave J Nice, awesome. Um, yeah, so tell everyone where they can find remember 64 where they can find you and then we've kind of camped out on remember 64 because we just got done talking about an n 6 4 game on the show here. Ah, but you also have some other podcasting ventures as well. So plug shill as much as you will. 01:31:37.70 Dave P I don't know why I do this to myself. It gives me just texture I mean I like I like doing it. That's why I do it? Um, but the first podcast that I started was called is called back in my day. Um, and we do a mix of covering new stuff and old stuff that is anywhere from mostly tv and movies but also video games as well. 01:31:40.22 Dave J Yeah, of course. Yeah. 01:31:55.13 Dave P Um, so you know when we're talking about older stuff. It'll be older movies. For example, like we'll talk about stuff from. We're picking this sort of thing every year or sort of theme will be twenty five years ago let's watch a few movies here. Let's watch a few movies there this year one of our things that we've been doing is going through all the ninja turtles movies again before mutant mayhem came out. 01:32:14.88 Dave P And after as well. So that's been kind of fun to revisit all those yes including the more modern ones as well. We're going through everything. Um, we also did that with the batman movies. We did it with the Spiderman movies. All that sort of stuff so sort of theme theme our our months and our rewatches and watches for the first time around current things that are coming out. 01:32:34.16 Dave P And then we will go and talk about that current movie or Tv show as well and then at the end of the year we kind of pick our favorite Tv shows or favorite movies things like that. So that's back in my day you'll find that across all the platforms as well and for remember 64 yes, you can find a remember 64 in all the podcast feeds. Ah, easiest way to find that on social media is remember 64 show I think I have that on everything at this point so pick a platform I have it if you find it on Youtube which I do some funny shorts and I'll put up audio and video versions of of the episodes. As well. It's remember dash 64 but I think if you just search the thing I don't know how Youtube search works I don't know if that's I think if you just search it. It'll probably just pop up. Um, so I'm trying to do some different things and and and like I said I'm going to put up gameplay videos and stuff as well. So that when we get to the mods. For example, it'll kind of be a cool thing to sort of check out something different. 01:33:14.80 Dave J Yeah. 01:33:30.17 Dave P Um, and yeah, and also if you want to listen to me talk about new video games or newer video games including like indies and stuff like you're mentioning um with this ah with this FZero sort of indie version. Um I play a lot of indie games on my on my time as well and review them. Um, it's at consolecreatures.com 01:33:50.40 Dave P And the podcast is called the creature cast and every week we go through games that we've been playing for the last seven days um many of them are reviews some of them are previews this past week or at least at this as of this recording in Mid -september we've done a lot of previews of like spider-man 2 01:33:50.88 Dave J Okay. 01:34:08.86 Dave P Assassins Creed Mirage all this stuff is like just barreing into so many games to play this year and I kind of fit in the spot of being the guy who plays the smaller games most of the time. Um and I'm happy to do that because I love I love the indie games I love the different ideas. 01:34:19.27 Dave J Okay. 01:34:26.29 Dave P And different approaches. So most of the time you'll hear me play about talk about that. But again that is the creature cast and consolecreatures.com yeah 01:34:34.20 Dave J Okay, awesome. Um I will throw those links down in the show notes. So everyone can have easy access to them of course. But um I am going to talk about myself in about um you know 30 seconds or so I'm going to spend some time talk about. This Dave so while I'm doing that you can assume I say the same thing I said last time on the podcast and go check out guest Dave's shows down in the show notes. Thank you for coming on and talking about Fzero x this has been great. Man. 01:35:05.68 Dave P Yeah I'm I'm really happy to be able to to go back and play a game like this I Love I Really love Arcadie racing games and this is exactly what that is and like we said it's just fun and cool and I love that. 01:35:18.35 Dave J Awesome! Yeah, it took us a little while to find a game to get you on tails from the backlog. But you know this game came up and I was like all right 10 64 game where this is this is the time this is the time baby. Let's do it? Yeah, so thank you again? man. 01:35:33.60 Dave P Ah, of course. 01:35:35.90 Dave J So if you would like to support tales from the backlog. There are several good ways to do that the best way to do. It is to tell somebody about the show spread the good word really helps people find the show another way to help people find the show is leaving ratings on Apple Podcast Spotify and podcast addict. Ah, you don't even have to type out a review you can just hit the 5 star thing and send it in that pushes it up in the search results and helps people find the show if you would like to support monetarily and again like I said at the top of the show vote in some of those polls get bonus episodes all kinds of good stuff. Patreon.com/realdaveja. 01:36:13.10 Dave J I also have another podcast you and I were were idiots in some ways and doing multiple podcasts I have another show called a top 3 podcast where we do top 3 lists or we draft stuff. It is mostly a comedy show that is the place where I talk about things that are not video games. Although we do talk about video games from time to time because I'm me so that's a top three podcast. It's a good time. A link down in the show notes just with just the same as everything else. So thank you everybody for listening tune in next week for the next game to come out of the backlog at. Ah, Thousand kilometers an hour