[The G.E.M. Series] Crafting Your Lifestyle Design with Ali Boone
Blake: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Gym Series, powered by Rocket level. On this podcast, we empower entrepreneurs to succeed by setting big goals, executing like a pro, and having a fearless mindset. The Gym Series is all about investing in yourself. We're here to share the path to getting what you want out of life by sharing the stories of entrepreneurs who have done this themselves, providing thorough research from our team on what careers and habits are yielding the best results, and discussing the mindset it takes to overcome the obstacles that all future entrepreneurs will face.
Investing in yourself starts with putting in the work every single day, and this podcast is here to help you do exactly that. My name is Blake Chapman. I'm the Vice President of the Ambassador Program here at Rocket Level, and I am thrilled to be your host for the gym.
Today I am pleased to welcome another incredible guest to the gym series Ali Boone. And yeah, I'm excited to get to talk to you today, Allie. Yay. Just to give you guys a little tiny bit of [00:01:00] background, she has a degree in aerospace engineering and during that process, found out you know, that she wasn't necessarily an engineer, but an entrepreneur that is extremely multifaceted.
Allie does anything from competitive, rowing flies, to airplanes, and literally teaches people how to fly them. Loves being in the Great Outdoors, is a published conference paper author, and founded Hipster Investments, which is amazing. It's one of the leading companies working with turnkey rental properties, having facilitated over 18 million in turnkey sales in just the first five years of business.
Yeah, you've got a great life resume ally. I hope. Hope you don't mind me bragging 
Ali: on you. That makes me. Very exciting. I'm like, Oh, I've, I've calmed 
Blake: down a lot. I mean, reading that paragraph, you can hear it in my voice. I got excited. So no, I'm, I'm so excited to have you on. How are you doing today?
I'm good. I'm so 
Ali: excited to be here. Awesome. To do an in-person, you know, like the whole world is online and Zoom these days. Like to get to meet other people who are doing similar things and, you know, it's amazing. 
Blake: I'm always, I'm always happy [00:02:00] to get to meet people in general, but the in-person is a lot of fun, you know?
Oh yeah, for sure. We've gotten to you know, have a little bit of coffee talk off camera. It's, it's, it's always a lot of fun. So for those that don't know you, Allie, could you just tell the audience just a little snippet about 
Ali: You? Well, my name's Allie. I like what walks on the beach.
Just kidding. I do like the beach. Yeah, so I grew up in Atlanta where we are. Awesome. And I, you know, it was very standard. Go to school, and get good grades. Mm-hmm. , get a secure job, work it, save your money, retire kind of thing. So I did that and that's why I got into engineering. I was flying airplanes before that and I didn't want the pilot life, so I was like, Oh, I'm sure engineering's gonna be the same thing.
It was gonna pay way more. I was a hundred percent not accurate. Mm. But I did the master's degree in that because it was, I was following, you know, I think at that time I didn't know there was another option. Yeah. I just, that's what the world did. Mm-hmm. . And so I did that and before I ever sat down in my first cubicle, I looked around and I was.
Oh. This isn't gonna, Like, I knew I [00:03:00] hadn't even sat down yet. I was like, I gotta get outta here, So the next five years, it was a job I'm very grateful for. It was a lot of people's dream job. It just wasn't my dream job. Sure. And so I spent five years trying to figure out how to get out because I had skills like I could fly airplanes, but it wasn't anything practical for how somebody leaves corporate.
Mm-hmm. . And I was reading every book I could get my hands on. I was motivated. I was like, I cannot do business casual clothes every day. I cannot show up. I'm not a morning person. Totally. I don't like reporting to people like I wanna be my person. And a lot of people ask how real, how I got into real estate.
And I kind of say in a way it fell in my lap, but that makes it sound like I didn't do any work for it. Mm-hmm. . But I didn't know, like from all the books I was reading, do I start a business? Do I get into real estate investing? Yeah. Those seem like the things that would get somebody outta corporate. And I decided to start a business.
I didn't know what kind, but I was like, I'm gonna do the business thing. Yeah. And while I was doing that, when I still had a high-paid corporate paycheck every Friday, which was very convenient back in the day, I missed that on occasion, I was like, Well, I might as well do something smart with my [00:04:00] money.
So I started doing some investing and little did I know the people I was gonna meet everything. Just absolutely took off. And I was having, I was starting to, I was, I did another investment project, which is what got me started. But very quickly, turnkey became an option. Cause Atlanta was one of the big markets at the time.
This was in 2011. Ah, okay. One of the, if not the biggest market, you could buy the cheapest houses that were renting high. Mm-hmm. , the price-to-rent ratios were ridiculous. And so I started doing that and the people that I started meeting and then everyone's like, Well what are you buying? Cause you assume you have to swing hammers and flip houses and Yeah.
All this hands-on stuff. And I, I wasn't, so, next thing I knew, people I knew were buying through the companies I was buying through. I started writing about it online and then I gotta reach out from bigger pockets. And they were like, Hey, do you wanna write for us? Cool. And from that point on, it just skyrocketed to, it's, it was a, not that turnkeys were new at the time, but it was something people hadn't necessarily.
Known about or considered. And during the crash, it was amazing because you could buy everything so cheaply. Yeah. So that's really what started. And that was, [00:05:00] So this month, well September 2022 is the 10th anniversary. ThaThat says me leaving corporate, which is, Wow. 
Blake: Congratulations. That's amazing. 
Ali: I'm like, wow, that's been a rollercoaster.
Yeah. But it's been so awesome too. But over that 10 years, it's been interesting to see how the whole thing evolves because not only has my company been evolving, the real estate market has been evolving just constantly. And so things have shifted, you know, we've been through the whole covid thing, What's real estate gonna do then?
Yeah. And a few years ago I started doing just real estate investing coaching on the side. But during Covid, especially when people were suddenly locked into their houses, no pun intended, since we were talking, investing Sure. I started doing a lot more coaching. So that's built up. My big focus now, I still do tons with turnkey, but I love new investors, investor psychology, and the mindset.
Mm-hmm. , because that's what I feel like most people aren't talking about. Sure. Because, you know, there are no emotions in real estate investing. It's all about the numbers and like Okay. Kind of. But also it's scary and none of us know what we're doing. Absolutely. We don't learn this [00:06:00] from school. No. And so that is now kinda what I've started focusing on, are the things that would've helped me get started to make it less complicated.
You know, increase my chances for success. Find a strategy that works instead of being like, Well, I should flip houses. Okay, well maybe, you know, So I've really, that's been a really rewarding thing. I still love helping people with turnkeys. Yeah. But kind of getting into the newer investor side of things has just been so fun for me.
More rewarding. Yeah. So that's kind of the that's how we got here. That 
Blake: is incredible. I you know, it just, gave me a flashback to mine. My first corporate job where I had a cubicle and I was sitting there going, Is this the rest of my life? I was like, I don't know. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but it just for, I had, I had a similar moment I think, where I was like, I was like, you know, I, I just really don't feel like I'm gonna make the kind of impact where I'm gonna be passionate and enough about what I'm doing right now to be even worthwhile to be here [00:07:00] probably.
Yeah. I was pointless, 
Ali: you know? I mean, I was such a waste of their salary. . Yeah, Yeah, 
Blake: exactly. Exactly. And 
Ali: I think, you know, some people love what they do, and corporate is, there's nothing wrong with corporate, it's just that, you know, it's so important for every like I said, it was, I had a, what?
I ended up as a top-secret flight test engineer. Mm-hmm. , like, and I was traveling out to top-secret places. Wow. I like, it, it was a dream job. Yeah. But again, it wasn't my dream job. And I think what's so important for people is to look at themselves in the whole equation. Mm-hmm. not what everyone tells you you should do.
All that is because again, someone's dream job, not my dream job. So, 
Blake: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Right. And you know, something that I keep talking about a lot and keeps popping up is just the ability to prioritize correctly. Yeah. I mean, I feel like that's one of the most essential things that sometimes we all get a little bit misguided in terms of like, okay, what do I actually, what is my number one priority?
Yeah. So going back in time a little bit, did you have the first kind of goal in mind ever where, when you were a kid, like, you know, [00:08:00] something that maybe indicated like, Hey, maybe I will run my own business one day. Did you have anything like that growing up? I 
Ali: think that would've been my entire childhood.
Not a fan of anyone ever telling me what to do. So like, you know, I didn't know it at the time. Yeah. But that was a first H. My parents would probably attest to that. Like, 
Blake: am I unemployable? Yeah, 
Ali: And the first thing I remember happening, I was 13 and I don't remember what prompted, but I woke up one day and I was like, I'm gonna make a lot of money.
Mm-hmm. , I was determined and it wasn't from a pretension standpoint. No. But it was from a problem-solving personal challenge. Yeah. Of like how can I make this happen? And it's been interesting with that particular mindset or idea from a kid because as I started getting in entrepreneurship and over the last 10 years especially Yeah.
Is that priority shifted a lot? I could probably make a gazillion dollars if I wanted to. Mm-hmm. , but I also like to sleep in. Yeah. And go to the beach and you know, that's something else I feel like people aren't talking about is like, I'll be the first to say My name's Allie and I like to [00:09:00] sleep in
Totally. You like nobody wants to admit that. And it's true. And so my happiness and my joy, it turns out it's not the dollars in the bank. That was more of a problem-solving type of thing. Yeah. But I'm willing to take fewer dollars in exchange for living the life that I want and seeing what turnkey.
Totally. From an investing standpoint, I could make more dollars flipping houses and doing all that, but. I wanna go to the beach in the afternoon, you know? Yeah. I wanna sleep in and I wanna go to the beach, and I absolutely cannot stand dealing with contractors. Mm-hmm. . So, you know, there's that. It's been an interesting evolution from that 13-year-old.
But yeah, that mindset kicked it off for sure, man. 
Blake: You know, and, and I think that that's so important too, is. Whenever you are whittling it down, people talk a lot about like, Oh yeah, I have to hustle nonstop. I have to do all of this. And, I feel like people look at other people's definitions of financial freedom.
Oh yeah. And I'm like, Why aren't you taking the time to just like, figure it out for yourself? You know, we're, we're all gonna die, [00:10:00] 
Ali: like, not to go back to not being bleak, but yellow. Yeah. Well, and like Shark Tank is like, I love watching that show. And the Sharks sit up there and they've all pretty much attest to the fact that for however long they were working, 14, 16, 18, 20 hour days.
Yeah. And granted, they are sitting in that chair because they're insane millionaires or billionaires, you know? So like the proof is in the pudding. Yeah. Mm-hmm. , if you hustle like that, I don't, I don't need a billion dollars for starters. Yeah. And I don't wanna work 20 hours every, I have days where I do work 20 hours.
Sure, sure. But it's on my time. And if I wanna travel, I do that instead. If I sit in the office for 20 hours, it's my choice. Mm-hmm. . And so, yeah. I think, you know, I think some of those messages are so amazing, but as you said, it also kinda gives us the impression of the only way to do this is you gotta hustle, hustle, hustle.
And you know, like Instagram and I see memes and everything and it's all about the hustle and the grind. Mm-hmm. . That is so great for a lot of people, but also [00:11:00] we already hustle. You know, There's a lot of hustling going on. Yeah. And at what point does it need to become a slow-down type of thing? Yeah. So those are some of the kind of the not-as-intuitive messages that I love.
I'm like, No, go watch Netflix. Like Yeah, take it out. Exactly. Why Go watch tv? And people are like, What? What? I'm like, I'm sleeping while you're at. 
Blake: Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, I mean that that gives you insurance against failing out, I feel like. Yeah. You know, I mean Or burning out. Yeah. Or getting, Cause yeah, that's the thing.
Like you only have so much in you until if you go, go, go, go like that until you get to a point where you're like, You know what? This is it. It feels things feel a little bigger than maybe what they are when it is, But if you love it wrapped 
Ali: up, do it. Exactly. Exactly. You know some people are, it's 20 hours a day and that's like heaven for them.
Mm-hmm. . And I've been there totally like, I felt worked when I first started my company. I would wake, I'd fly outta bed and I'd be on the computer. I was like, Oh man. Cause I was designing stuff. Yeah. I was like, all was so great. But also like, it's not a forever thing. And like you said, we only live, you know, a short period once [00:12:00] Mm-hmm.
So make sure you're enjoying it and you gotta put some, you know like I'm hustling a lot of times. Totally. And I would prefer to be watching Netflix. But see this is where I've gotten older and like, I used to do all the cool, adventurous stuff. I'm like, man, I can go watch Netflix right now but it's you know, gauging yourself and not taking on other people's messages to as and assuming that it has to be yours. Totally. 
Blake: Totally. And what is I you know, I was just thinking about the beginning, of that transition. I always love to dive into that. Because you, I think you said five years, right?
Yeah. From five years. That was your plan to kind of transition out of that. Mm-hmm. , what did that, Yeah. What did you do to make that happen? Like 
Ali: Well, that was probably my biggest hustle period. I was 
Blake: motivated. Cause that's, I was, that's when people I know are like, I'm working 40 hours here and then I'm working 40 hours or more on my 
Ali: own business.
Like, I mean, let's be honest, I almost wanna cover up the mic so my company doesn't hear me say that I was, during work hours, I was Googling like, should I buy a hotel? Do I start like, how do I, I was never working. Yeah. . [00:13:00] Yeah. I mean, I know I tried. Yeah. I legitimately tried. I even went to my manager cuz I wasn't given a lot of pros and this in the very beginning as I, you know, probably starting about three years when I took, I transferred to California for a different position.
I was working. Let's not be sure. Yeah. But maybe, maybe not as much as people would think. But I was better. I'm better at, like, I remember one time I had to. One of my big positions was being a liaison between engineers and pilots. Yeah. Because they don't understand each other at all. And I was both of 'em, so I could kind of translate for everybody.
And I had to rewrite an operator's manual for an airplane and like I could sit down and just grind it out fast. So then for the next, you know, five days or so, I was like, How am I gonna harper rich down for down on? Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. So, you know, not that I necessarily recommend everyone using their work hours for figuring this out, but it's it, you know, and the answer for me isn't the answer for everybody.
That's what I did. I didn't know what this answer was. Like, there's no one person out there who's gonna tell you, [00:14:00] Oh, if, if anyone tells you the formula, here's the formula. Which a lot of people do. Yeah. No, it's, it's not the formula for you. Like, and so that's why everyone's gotta figure it out for themselves as far.
Are you already doing something that makes money? Could you grow that? Mm-hmm. , if you have no clue and you're like me, just start exploring and things will start kind of narrowing themselves down. Totally. And then, you know, like don't just go diving off unless you have some massive savings account to save you.
Mm-hmm. . Cause you don't wanna be super stressed the whole time. Yeah. But it's a, you know, it can be done is kinda the point. And I think a lot of people are in a position where they don't know how they can do it. Mm-hmm. , I didn't know how I could do it either. Yeah. And that's you just kind of gotta start somewhere.
And if you're intentional about it and you're active with it and you're trying to figure it out and you're dedicated mm-hmm. , I think the answers will come your way. 
Blake: Totally. Did you bring other people into the equation and were they pretty supportive right off the bat? Or did you have anybody that was a?
Hmm. Allie, what the 
Ali: hellie what are you doing? I had a very [00:15:00] secure job, highly paid aerospace engineer. I think you can imagine how my family was re they're like, ugh. Like, but they, they knew me at that point. They knew there was no stopping this. And they were just like, I mean, you know, But have you considered, you know, they were trying Yeah.
To like, they were super supportive but also nervous at the same time, which I get it. But again, they knew me at that point. Yeah. And it, it was gonna happen. 
Blake: No. Yeah. Cause I don't know about you, but for some reason, I, and I probably need to check this a little bit too, but when people say like, I don't think you should, or that seems like a bad idea.
I'm kind of stubborn and I'm like, Uh huh, I wanna double down on it a little bit more. I don't know why, but Yeah, 
Ali: it's always fun. It's Bell. That's actually how I got into real estate cuz the, I said it wasn't turnkeys that started, I had got a through, I think it was a Think Realty newsletter in my inbox.
Mm-hmm. and I had just been touring possible rental properties in Orange County. Cause I live in LA and the numbers, I didn't know how to run numbers at the time, but I was like, I, something about this doesn't work. Mm-hmm. . And so I knew nothing. And the cheapest house that was a total shack was like [00:16:00] $270,000.
Mm-hmm. . And then there was gonna have to be rehab and all that. Yeah. So I had all those high numbers. So I'm sitting at my computer desk at work and this advertisement comes through for $99,000. Beach bungalows beachfront in Nicaragua. And I was like, Okay, hang on, let me map Nicaragua.
I was like, Wait, which continent are we talking about? And I was like, Oh yeah, the third-world country in Central America. Yeah. And immediately my rebellion was like, Tell me more. Cause I knew, Yeah. I knew if I told people I'm suddenly buying these preconstruction bungalows in a third-world country, they're gonna be like, You have lost your mind.
And as soon as I know that's how people are gonna feel, I'm like, I gotta do it. 
Blake: It's time. It's time. Hey, and, what happened? So did you get Oh, nothing 
Ali: good. Okay. Oh, nothing good. It was a, it was a very aggressive start into real estate. Mm-hmm. , it was the famous developer story. And this happens in the US all the time too.
As suddenly the money just, nobody knows where it is. Yeah. And so I do my very first [00:17:00] investment attempts brutal was a $40,000 loss on these preconstruction things. , it was a big deal. Like it, they had Wyndham hotels in on this development. Mm-hmm. , Jack Nicholas golf course. Like this was not like wow. Some, you know, sketchy mom-and-pop kind of thing.
This was a massive development. Mm-hmm. and just one day, suddenly no one knew where the money was and Wyndham pulled out. Nicholas pulled out, and then everybody just kinda lo I mean, and I was fortunate to have only lost 40,000. Like a lot of people had millions of their own money. Wow. It was a big deal.
And so supposedly the guy, he's not even allowed to end the country and he's supposedly still building this development. I was like, Oh, I'm not holding my breath on that one. So it was a frustrating start. You know, that's another thing I talk to people too, is like, there are two ways to look at that. I lost $40,000, and it'd be nice if someone wrote me that check right now.
Mm-hmm. . That'd be great to have. Yeah. But when I look at it, that investment is why I'm doing what I'm doing right now. Mm-hmm. , because that's where I found out about Turnkey. [00:18:00] That's where I met all the people that changed everything for me. And one of those people was, became my mentor. He was living this lifestyle design life.
Yeah. And it was the first time I was looking at him and I was like, Wait, you work your schedule. You travel whenever you want to. Mm-hmm. location independent. I was like, Tell me more. Yeah. You're like, I will take your advice. Yeah. And so that, I mean, that prompted every, I ended up going to Nicaragua several times.
I ab to date, it's my favorite country. So I was like, you know, five trips in Nicaragua, 10 years of entrepreneurship. I do what I want, when I want, like. It seems like $40,000 is a pretty decent price tag for that. Yeah. And so, yeah, that's not, you know, that's something for real estate investing Absolutely.
Things don't always go well. And not long after I lost, it was pretty confirmed that the 40 grand was gone. Mm-hmm. was, I had a wave with the rental properties that I had bought in Atlanta. Yeah. And one was vacant for like 10 months. The property manager was about another one. It was just a waterfall.
And so I had the moment [00:19:00] of, this is stupid. Like why am I getting into this industry? It's been nothing but a loss. Yeah. Unfortunately, I had the mentor, and this is what I try and offer other people too, is he kinda sat me down and he was like, I hear you, but let's look at this. Mm-hmm. . And we kind of mapped out, you know, there's other profit centers of a rental property.
And at the time, because of the crash, all those properties had appreciated stupid amounts of money. Mm-hmm. . So it's like, okay, you have a lack of cash flow, and paying a mortgage the whole time is frustrating, but are we in the negative? And so he kind of talked me off the cliff. Ah, okay. And so I had that moment of like, Okay.
Maybe I give it a couple more years because so far real estate was not proven itself to me was the point of that. 
Blake: Yeah. It was like this industry, You suck. I 
Ali: am not sold on this right now. This is like spending investment. What are you talking about? All I'm doing is shelling hell money. Yeah. But you know, now, 10 years later, looking back, hands down, best investments I've ever made, both, you know, just to still have the properties, $40,000 got me all of this, you know, And so it, it is a real estate isn't always easy.
Yeah. And so like if you [00:20:00] hit that big hiccup, it doesn't mean it's over. And I think people tend to quit early. So I was absolute. But as you know, I was seeing one of my rental properties before I was here and you know, I'm losing a lot on it right now. Yeah. Because it's vacant. The mortgage is going out, it's got big repairs coming.
But people focus on just that kinda localized issue. But it's like when I look at it, the cash flow's coming back. Mm-hmm. Like it's, it's a hiccup. It's not a permanent thing. So, you know, I think that's one of the biggest things of this industry is just don't quit right away. Because when you do, you're just, you're getting out too soon.
Yeah. Unless you're truly losing sleep at night, it's not, it's not an industry for everybody. Don't lose sleep at night if you're losing sleep. Just, it doesn't matter what the returns are, don't do it. But Totally. If you have an interest in it, don't let the downfalls take you 
Blake: out. Yeah. I mean, that's where the mindset stuff that you're talking about seems, seems so essential.
Mm-hmm. , I mean, if people just, even sharing this story right now, I would imagine there are [00:21:00] people, I mean, me, I, I'm curious about getting into real estate mm-hmm. and learning this kind of stuff too. And you know, when I hear that, share a helmet on. 
Ali: I know, I know, Right? It's safer with a helmet. . Yeah. . Or put a little helmet on your wallet, it'll be fun.
Yeah, 
Blake: Absolutely. Cuz I'm like, okay. That's, I mean, that's a good reminder of like, what you can get into. And then with the investment that you shared about the potential loss or the loss that you experienced, I mean, yeah. It seems like that's something like a good reminder for everybody that all of these things are in a career or anything that you're trying to do mm-hmm.
all of these things are the potentials to send you down a, you know, a bunny trail of like whatever the next best thing is. Yeah. And it's so important to take stock of that so that you can look back and fill your tank up and be like, All right, I got something from it. It's always propelling me forward, you know, cuz yeah.
I, I, I don't know. It just gets me excited hearing that story 
Ali: that you shared now, I think in two things, like in response to what you're saying is like, So many people are, have a fear of failure. Mm-hmm. [00:22:00] of real estate investing. Yeah. And I get it because there's a lot of money on the line sometimes.
Totally. And so the fear of failure is a major holdback for people. But you have to look at it like if a mistake ha real estate is on-the-job training, like you, you can get a certain amount of training beforehand just to hopefully prevent the big things from happening. Yeah. But in 10 years of having my rental properties, I'm still learning new things.
And some of 'em seem so minor and dumb, I should have known it years ago. Mm-hmm. . But it's a perspective thing off if there's a failure, how do you reframe it into a learning and a lesson? Because if you can't do that as a real estate investor, you're hose because you will fail. That if you have enough properties for long enough hands down, something weird's gonna happen.
Yeah. Constantly. So that's one thing. And. You know, with all of this said, it's really easy, I feel like, for people to take it to mean, oh, just, you know, no holds barred, bottoms up, do whatever, do it safely. Like with my $40,000, I was a single person with a high-paid corporate job. I could afford to lose that.
[00:23:00] Yeah. And that was one, when I went for this bungalow, I was like, okay, what is the worst-case scenario here? Like truly. Mm-hmm. and everyone should ask this about any investment can you afford to lose it? Yeah. So let's say you buy a little a hundred thousand dollars in a rental property and you put $20,000 into it, can you afford to lose $20,000?
Because I was fortunate that I was single with a paid job, but if somebody has a family of five kids and this is their savings mm-hmm. maybe don't do that, you know, or do something less risky. So, 
Blake: you know, I, I was thinking about that the other day because I was like, you know, we all tell ourselves, and I believe in this too, is focus on the positive impact you can make and the positive impact that something can have on your life and what you want.
But. Also, consider the negative, you know? Yeah. So that you can be realistic of like, Hey, am I being wise here? Yeah. You know, cuz that it might mean you have a little more prep work to do. 
Ali: Yeah. You know, and like when I left corporate, I didn't have the nest egg. I should have had, I should have had way more in savings, but again, I was, I [00:24:00] had two dogs at the time.
But if I, if I'm gonna take anyone out, I'm only taking myself out. Mm-hmm. , I'm not taking my entire family out. Totally. You know, and so it's, it's, you know, I just always wanna be really careful of promoting, like, yeah, that'll be fine. No big deal. Fuelers lose 40 grand. Just reframe it. It's, it'll be great.
But you know, also do that wisely too. Looking at your situation. Looking at, are you gonna lose sleep at night? Like that's not worth it. Are you putting your family at risk? And I know there's a guy right now, Has exactly $30,000 in his savings account and he wants to invest all 30,000. Mm-hmm. , I'm like, Ooh, I, you know, from a, I can't, I look if you wanna do it, but you're, if you do it, I'm gonna have given you so many warnings.
Like, I don't want you to be in that position. You need a nest egg for emergencies. Mm-hmm. . And so, you know, always taking a toll of what is applicable for you. 
Blake: Yeah. When did you, so 2012, you kicked things off? When did you start seeing the kind of like, Oh, I'm starting to see some traction in the way that I, [00:25:00] I, I want to like, and what was that experience like when things started picking 
Ali: up a little bit?
I think. Let's see. So I started buying 'em in 2011. 2012 was kinda a rough year. That was a big vacancy. Mm-hmm. , like everything. I would imagine probably by 2013 everything was catching up, but back then, remember the price-to-rent ratios were crazy. Yeah. Like the cash flow was so high on the people even now are like, Oh, you know what, what kind of cash load do you make on your properties?
I'm like, I don't wanna know. Like, cuz you'll never get it. You can't get it right now. Yeah. Yeah. But you know the, so like pretty immediately when everything was full mm-hmm. , I was making pretty good returns on it. And then over the years, Atlanta appreciated huge. Mm-hmm. . So all those, I wish, if I had not been a brand new real estate investor, then I would've found a way to buy so many.
I mean, hindsight's always 2020, right? Sure, sure. But, What's been the most eye-opening for me has just happened this year. Really? Yeah. Is so now fast forward 10 years on all these properties. Mm-hmm. totally. And I knew [00:26:00] this at the time, but I did not think that hard about it, and I didn't put any stake in it.
Is rent increasing? So the property I just saw Yeah. As I was driving here. God bless it. I told you the story of. Well, we'll dive into like real estate bloopers at some point. But, so that property was the house that I lived in. Mm-hmm. that I lived in Atlanta and I got the job offer in California right in the middle of the crash.
Yeah. So I had just, So I bought that house in August of 2008. Well, guess how long I owned it before the entire bottom fill out of the market? Some, I mean, in less than six months. The value of what I had just paid for that house went to less than half. And I was like, Oh, another good start. Like this is so great , 
Blake: you are killing me here.
Ali: How I'm in real estate today. I have no idea. So the value went to half. Mm-hmm. . So when I was moving, obviously I wasn't gonna sell it. Yeah. So I guess we'll rent it out. And at that time, like all the properties I work with now are big positive cash flow properties and [00:27:00] everybody wants cash. So if you like cash flow, meaning the money left over after you pay your expenses every day.
Sure. So that house I rented out for 9 95 at the time and my mortgage was right at 9 95. Mm-hmm. . So technically it was a break. Even property, technically negative with expenses, and a lot of people today wouldn't, they won't touch anything, break even. Mm. But I didn't have a choice at the time. Yeah. It was bad.
Or sell it for less than half of what I just fricking bought it for. Mm-hmm. , so 9 95 broke even and it's for rent right now. We just got an application approved and she's about to be paying 1800 in that time. Yeah. My mortgage has only gone up with taxes and insurance to 1100. So my break-even property, which was the lowest cash flow property of all of them is now about to be cashing $700 a month.
Oh, okay. You know, when people are thinking of financial freedom, they're like, Oh, each property is only gonna make 150 to $200 a month. Mm-hmm. . So I need so many of 'em. That's crazy. The rent increases [00:28:00] are crazy. Totally. And I just had another property that's not in nearly as good of an area. I don't know what the mortgage on that one is now, but it was originally rented, It was the very first turnkey I ever bought, and it was renting for 9 75 at the time, and I only paid $55,000 for this house.
Two stories fully renovated. Wow. Everything. So 55, that's the price-to-rent ratio. I'm talking about $55,000 for it. 9 75 rent is ridiculous. Yeah. And they just renewed her lease at 1800. So whatever. That's just what it costs. Now, I think my, I think my mortgage is maybe 600, give or take, Not more than 700 a month.
Dang. And they just, it's 1800 now. Wow. So that just this year, the 10-year look back and all, and a couple of 'em haven't gone up as much because like one. Has a woman who's been in there forever and the original property manager wasn't increasing rent. Mm-hmm. . And so the other ones have room for it, but like these two, it just, I, I did not take that seriously of Now if [00:29:00] someone were to try and sell a, let's see, I paid well, so that one $55,000 renting for 1800, are you kidding me?
Mm-hmm. and that's what I'm working with now. And so that is where like while they were profitable in the beginning and now, like the house, I was talking about, the tank to less than half the value. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. It's almost double the value now. Wow. So it's like, it's with rental properties, in particular, they are long-term investments.
Mm-hmm. , not to say you can't be profitable in the short term, but when you hold 'em, I'm only at the 10-year mark and they are stupidly profitable for the reasons I knew intellectually, but I hadn't seen an experience. Yeah, yeah. But you know, rents are gonna keep going up, values are gonna keep going up.
Inflation is a beast right now. Mm-hmm. , which makes everything go up. So, I mean, May 10, 10 years is when I saw the like, Oh, okay, here's the, here's the 
Blake: profits. It's starting to all, Yeah. Hit. Yeah. That's pretty incredible. Mm-hmm. , I mean, and what do you think gave you that kind of mental res, [00:30:00] Cause I know you talked about your mentor was, was greatly helpful.
Mm-hmm. , like do you have any advice on mental resiliency going through all of this? Because I know there's like, Yeah. I mean there are so many ups and downs and like when you talk when people talk about Yeah. 10 years. Mm-hmm. , it's hard to like, Yeah. It's hard to envision a decade from now, you know? 
Ali: Yeah. 10 years have gone by very fast.
I believe it. It's also been very slow and very fast. all the same time. You know, I think the mental resilience, I was fortunate, I think, and I don't say this every day, it depends on what day you ask me about this. Mm-hmm. is, I am so desperate to stay outta corporate and so desperate to keep working for myself.
Yeah. That I feel like I don't have a choice because 10 years of entrepreneurship has been, Easily the biggest rollercoaster of my life. The ups, the downs. You know, when I was flying airplanes and doing engineering, I was in control of everything in my life. Mm-hmm. , there was nothing outta control. Yeah.
And in 10 years of entrepreneurship and real estate, it's like nothing's in my control. And that has been, that has, that has taken me to my knees, you know? Yeah. Former control [00:31:00] freak now is not allowed to have control. I like ok. , I'm sweating a little. But the mental resilience, I just felt like I never had a choice.
Mm-hmm. , because what's my option? Go back to corporate and figure out business casual cl like I can't. for me, business casual clothes are almost more than two. Like I have to wake up early and look a certain way. That sounds like my worst nightmare. Yeah, absolutely. My craving, I mean it, I don't wanna say it's an addiction, but kind of mm-hmm.
like I have to have that so bad that I'm willing to go through the hard stuff, but, you know, so if you have that inherent, like, have to get out, can't do this. Yeah. It's super helpful. Totally. Because otherwise, it's tempting to go back right. 
Blake: Where it's easier. Cause then you're like, well I got a plan B, a plan C, a plan D, like whatever.
You know, I've 
Ali: gota  fallback plan. And I think the big thing, you know, outside of that is kind of like I was saying before about the reframing. Mm-hmm. of not looking at things like failures or again, you know, some people will buy a rental property and the first year they lose 10 grand. You know, during covid especially, [00:32:00] this came up a lot.
People had just bought rental properties and now their tenants weren't paying because of the eviction, moratoriums, and all that. Mm-hmm. . And they're like, Oh my God, I lost $10,000 in my rental property and the first year I gotta get out and whatever. And it's like, Yeah, I hear you. But it's, it's having the mindset going into it to understand that in the long run that 10 grand is not gonna matter.
Mm-hmm. at all. First of all, you're gonna write it all off. Yep. But then it's not gonna matter at all. And I think the absolute key for me that I was doing before I left corporate was reading books that taught me a lot about the mindset. So I read the Whole Rich Dad series, maybe not the whole thing, but a lot of it.
So for both entrepreneurship and real estate, when certain challenging things happened, I had already read about 'em. I was like, That means it's all on track. Yeah. You know, it's, it's about perspective and I was prepared mentally cuz I think had I not read that, you know, Robert Kiyosaki went through certain things.
Mm-hmm. and other big guys had gone through certain things. They're like, you know, even the sharks on Shark Tank, they'll be like, you have to not know where your rent payment's coming from in a [00:33:00] month. Yeah. You have to know, know if you're gonna eat. Like it's a rite of passage. Mm-hmm. . So when those months would come where I didn't know if I was gonna pay my rent Yeah.
Or eat, I was like, Huh. I'm just like, Mark Cuba. It's, it's good. Like. Yeah. Yeah. Where if I didn't know that, I would've thought I was failing at something. Totally. So I think that's a big part of it. An inherent drive is very helpful. But I don't know that even that would've carried me through had I thought that all of these things were my own mm-hmm.
mess up. You know, it's like absolutely Smart Cuban, Robert Kiyosaki, and like, they've all been, I was like, How successful am I? I just hit my rite of passage. Yeah. It's so great. So it's it, the whole thing is a mind game. Yeah. That's why like, I love so much talking about the mindset stuff because everyone just tells you how to flip a house and go wholesale and do all these things and there are no emotions in investing.
Oh. But there is mm-hmm. , because when you Tell me a little more about that. The emotions. Yeah. Well, I mean mostly from the mindset perspective. Yeah. Because it's stressful, right? Totally. Anyone who says there are no emotions involved is lying to themselves. Mm-hmm. , because it's the [00:34:00] fear of failure that keeps people out.
That's an emotion. It's fear being the big one. Yeah. If challenges come up, it's, it's not always about the logistical solution, cuz there's usually the logistical solution. It's whether you can weather the whole thing or not. Mm. And that is, maybe it's not like, you know, happy and sad emotions, which those can come to.
Sure. Sure. But it's the, it's the, it's a mental mind game. And this is for entrepreneurship as well. I had so many mind games with myself to even get through the first year. Cause I was like, this isn't gonna work. I hardly made any money the first year and I was like, I was like, Nope. I'm gonna set it up like an experiment.
I'm gonna take the pressure off myself. If things aren't working by December 31st, I'll pivot. But for now, pressure, you know, I had to play tricks like that all the time. Mm-hmm. . So maybe emotions aren't the right word, but you know, and I tell people sometimes, yeah, don't use the emotions, but like, let's say there's a slew of properties right in front of you and the numbers on all of 'em are decent enough.
Well, how do you pick a property? Honestly, if you have some feeling in your stomach and you're super [00:35:00] excited about a particular property. Well, and even if it doesn't, if the numbers don't work out on paper, like the house I was just talking about on paper, that wouldn't have worked the break-even kind of thing.
Mm-hmm. . But you know, that was a different situation why I got into it, but you don't always know what the most profitable thing is gonna be. So like, don't rule out excitement either. Don't just dive in, just like, Ooh, that one's cute. I'll take it, like, run the numbers, do the analysis, but, and then after that, like if you're super excited about something kind, just.
Follow it for a minute. Yeah. See where it takes you. And this is entrepreneurship, everything. Yeah. 
Blake: Yeah. No, and I, I love that too because, you know, I, I believe, like I, I've looked into like manifestation mm-hmm. and things like that, and, you know, even beyond like the spiritual element of it. Yeah. You focus your efforts on the thing that you want and you go harder.
Like literally, if you're excited about a property, then you're probably gonna be like, see a bigger vision for it and what you want out of it. And then you work harder naturally [00:36:00] to get the results that you're looking 
Ali: for, you know? Yeah. The real estate's gonna be hard and so like you're gonna hit the challenging times.
So hopefully to some degree you're excited about something about it. Yeah. Cause you need that excitement to get you through the harder times. Absolutely. And you, So I moved to California and you mentioned the spiritual side of it. So I ended up getting another master's degree in spiritual psychology.
So Cool. I originally just started, what is that,? I don't know. And, I have a degree. That is a good question. I only started it cause I thought it'd be hilarious to say I had a master's in spiritual psychology and a master's in aerospace engineering. Cause like it's pretty awesome of the spectrum.
Pretty awesome. But that degree has turned out to be, Easily the most beneficial degree by a large margin for me, because it's such a a practical application. Every minute of every day, I'm using those skills. Yeah. But you know, with real estate, it helps me, coach people, cuz it is psychology. I don't care what people say.
Mm-hmm. . But there is so much psychology and that it, it's just kind of a, kind of what you're talking about is like bringing in the spirituals and it [00:37:00] doesn't mean necessarily the God side or whatever. Yeah. But it's like the reframing, the perspective change, the, the willingness to go forward on what you're trying to do, regardless of, you know, there's gonna be so many naysayers.
Everyone's gonna say, Oh, dumb, don't do that. Here's the reason, here's seven reasons why you shouldn't invest in real estate. Mm-hmm. . But if you're feeling it, go with it. If you get excited about a certain property and you can justify it. Yeah. Again, don't just dive in, you know, without your floaties on.
Sure. But like, you run the numbers, it seems to pan out. Go with it. You, you know, And what's, and again, what's the worst case scenario if it doesn't work? Cool. Learn from it, and move on. Mm-hmm. again, don't risk everything you have if your family's gonna starve, but whatever. You can risk and you do it intelligently, you know?
Yeah, absolutely. I wish I want more 
Blake: people to do it. Absolutely. No, I was that's, that's so cool. I, I feel like that would be so essential diving into the spiritual psychology side of things, you know, And cuz I, I mean, for me, I think it kind of takes a radical belief in yourself [00:38:00] to be able to make this kind of thing happen.
Yeah. Which, you know, I mean, radical enough to where you. I know that if I hold out long enough, something will pan out. Yeah. You know, And, 
Ali: But I think one of the big ones too is like, let's say you're investing and you lose a whole, let's say you lose $40,000 in third world country. I, I don't know where I came of that example.
But let's say something happens and it's kind of a quote-unquote failure. Yeah. A lot of people, and this is true for life in any regard, but even in real estate too. Mm-hmm. is a fail quote unquote, happens. Yeah. And instead of just seeing it as a failure, the person now believes they're a failure. Mm.
So it's like, Oh, okay. So all these investors are super successful, which is alive. Everyone messes up. No. Sure. Yeah. So let's say you mess up with something stupid. And it's something you should have known better. That doesn't make you a failure. I'm, I feel like I'm like now moving into the therapy couch kind of thing, but it doesn't And so, But you'd be surprised how many people, but it's people take that.
Yeah. Yeah. And so like, I mean, kids, these kids today and their social [00:39:00] media, you know, like a lot of teenagers struggling cuz they see these overnight successes on Instagram. Mm-hmm. . And because they're not an overnight success, they take that to mean that they're a failure. And it's like you have to stop at that association of no matter what dumb thing happens or what thing you don't succeed at.
Yep. It doesn't mean you're a failure. Because when people take that belief on. They, well, they just won't keep doing it. It's like. When the $40,000 got lost, I never assumed, I thought real estate might be very frustrating and a dumb move, but I didn't take it to mean that I'm an idiot. It also helped that a lot of, you know, Wendo and Nicholas and all those were in Yeah.
Cause I was like, Oh, it wasn't just me being an idiot. We were all duped. Do you know? Yeah. Yeah. If it was just me, maybe I'd feel kind of stupid, but, you know, taking that belief and just throwing it under the table, no matter what you're doing, entrepreneurship, real estate, life. Mm-hmm. and it's just, you have to separate those things.
Cuz as soon as you take those beliefs on you tank yourself. 
Blake: Absolutely. Yeah. You're like, well, I mean, it, it, it just sets you up to be like, Okay, [00:40:00] I'm never gonna take any kind of risk mm-hmm. and have a low sense of self-worth. And at the end of the day, you can look at failures as meaning, Dang, I pushed my threshold.
Like I went out there and, I did something that. 99% of people would never even try to do. Yeah. And it probably got me that much closer to what I'm looking for out of my own life. It's 
Ali: a, I don't know if, is it someone in particular that says Fail faster? Like I like what's the, what's the thing in sales or whatever.
It's like you have to get 19 nos, get one. Yes. You know, 20. Totally. So, like, that was part of the mindset thing that I learned. You know, I took from all the books or whatever. So every time I would fail, I'm like, Woo, I'm getting closer. You're one closer. If the goal is to get to 20 and I need 19 fails to get there, I'm like, Ooh, I'm so close.
Do you know? And like, again, that's that mind, you know, even whether it's true or not. Like, so your mind will, you can play tricks on it. Absolutely. Like, Hey, mind, we gotta fail 19 times before we get the big ones. Like, okay, like, sweet, we just failed. We're so close. Yeah. You [00:41:00] know, like, you gotta play, you gotta play games.
Blake: Absolutely. I'd like doing that stuff nonstop. . It's kinda funny. I'm like, Oh yeah, yeah. Like, I'm like, Oh, you know, twelve's probably my number that I gotta, I gotta fail 12 times before that actually, that works out. I'm like, So let's go ahead and knock 'em out. It's 
Ali: like, failed number 10. You're like, Oh man.
That's so exciting. We're 
Blake: getting close. . No, I love that. So outside of the real estate, you know, I, when I, we did the end try, we were talking about like so many other things that you do. So how do you balance doing these, all these amazing things? Like, tell me a little bit like you're flying airplanes and like doing lessons and, Well, 
Ali: the best kind of now is aging.
I have slowed down. I mean, not that I'm suddenly that old, but like in my twenties I was balls to the wall. I was doing everything. Stop. Oh yeah. I was flying planes and doing the engineering and adventuring and I mean, it was nonstop. Yeah. And now I'm just so content, not That's awesome. Doing the adventures.
I think that's a, it's a personal growth kind of thing because Totally. Like back in those [00:42:00] days, if I didn't have social plans for the week, I was a huge extrovert. Mm-hmm. If I didn't have social plans for the weekend, by Tuesday I'd start getting nervous. Like, Yeah. You know, and, and when I first moved to California, The city I was living in had nothing happening in it.
Mm-hmm. . And so I learned to do nothing great. And it's one of the best things that I have ever learned. So I'm like, I'm pretty sure it just means I'm getting old. It makes it so much easier to balance everything. Cause I'm not trying to do everything. But, if I could change one thing about myself, I would like to structure myself more.
I've seen, like, I've had mentors and other affiliates and all that, you know, they break down their day like 8:00 AM breakfast, gym, 20 minutes, you know, and mm-hmm. . I can't imagine how much I would get done if I structure my day. But, that's something I struggle with. , I'm so bad. Like I don't do it at all.
And I wish that I, that was me, but I'm just not, like, if I give myself a schedule, I'll purposely not do it out of rebellion. Mm-hmm. , like, I know this about myself and so I'm terrible at balancing all of it. [00:43:00] But I've also, kind of knowing that about myself, I've kinda structured my life where. , I get to do what I want, when I want.
So I can just make, like, for me, I have an office. After the 10-year mark, I finally ran in an office base in Nice. For my company, I'm not working up for my couch anymore, which is very exciting. And, but sometimes I won't go into the office until 5:00 PM like if I have other stuff going on during the day, going at 5:00 PM and I'll walk out of there at 11:30 PM mm-hmm.
And so it's, it's about how to balance, you know, And I'm traveling right now. Totally. And I need to be working. It'd be great if I was in the office all time, but life's short. Mm-hmm. , I wanna travel and see my friends that I grew up with. And so it's again, looking at myself, how, what I know about myself in terms of working and could I be more efficient?
Absolutely. I can't, I, I can't even imagine what would happen if I would structure myself, but it's just, it's not, it's kind of back to coming full circle on. I could work 20 hours a day. I don't really wanna, Yeah. So, yeah. You know, what's the balance 
Blake: there? I mean, I think the balance is [00:44:00] realizing like, you know, I'm trying to live my life the way I wanna live my life.
Mm-hmm. and lean into like, lean into my strengths. Yep. And cuz that's something I, I was like, Oh, I gotta get organized. I have gotta get organized and still, I have gotta get organized. Yeah. and we're still here. Yeah. . But I was also like, you know what, like what am I good at and how can I double down on that?
Yeah. So that maybe that'll compensate for some of the weaknesses that are around there, you know, so mm-hmm. what, And, and that's, that's been my thing is, is just trying to like, Yeah. Just lean into what feels natural. Yeah. So that I, you know, and, and I think there's a difference between natural and comfortable.
Yeah. Do you know? Oh, a hundred percent. I think so anyways. And 
Ali: I think you're one of the first people that brought up the natural thing, cuz like, I, I put my first book out a couple of years ago and I, I have a whole section there about, you know, cuz it's kinda like if you're trying to choose a real estate investing strategy, really looking at your strengths mm-hmm.
because chances are the things that you're strong at are the things you're also gonna enjoy more. Yeah. Like, there's nothing that I suck at that I. , you know, [00:45:00] and so they kind of go hand in hand. Mm-hmm. . So it's like, if you don't necessarily know your strength well what do you love doing?
Because it probably is some kind of tied in there. Yeah, absolutely. The natural thing, the, it's such a big thing that I wrote in the book is like, find what's natural for you. Because again, the whole thing's gonna be challenging anyways. The path that's challenging. So like find something that you're more natural at, because if you're constantly swimming upstream, you're probably not ever gonna be as successful as you would be if you're following something you're more naturally good at.
Because, and I, even the engineer in me came out in the book, I drew a bar graph and it's like if I work on, let's say like I'm. It's terrible at cooking and I also hate it, but I could take cooking classes. People tell me this all the time. I don't know why everyone's so invested in me learning to cook.
And I'm like, I don't want to. You're like, It's not that I'm not saying that I want to learn to cook and I'm just not doing, I don't want to learn to cook. I have no interest in that. I don't know what everyone's obsessed with that, but it's like I could take cooking classes. Mm-hmm. for sure, and I would absolutely get better at it, but how good am I ever actually gonna [00:46:00] be?
Totally. Whereas if I take something that I'm pretty natural at and I take lessons, I can send it through the roof. I literally drew the bar graph to whatever. So it's like, find the things that you're good at and expand those and outsource the rest. You know? It's, it's not like Absolutely. I've done tons of things I'm not good at, even now.
Like I would like to outsource more stuff. So it's, it's, you kind of have to do things you're not good at. But yeah, when you're focusing on what to, because you can't do 'em all. Mm-hmm. . So why not pick the ones you're good at? Cuz you're gonna enjoy it more and you're gonna succeed to levels way higher than if you swim upstream 
Blake: Totally.
The whole time. . Totally. And the cool thing is that whenever you do that, I mean, I, you know, am lucky to get to talk to tons of different small business owners and entrepreneurs. And something that I always see is that whenever you lean into your strengths Yeah. And what happens is as soon as you start outsourcing some of these things, people will take your vision and they'll do it even better than you would ever do it.
Oh, yeah. Do you know what I mean? Which is, which is pretty crazy. So if you had the opportunity to get to outsource some of the things that 
Ali: [00:47:00] you wanted to Oh yeah. Like my employees for hipster, right now, every employee that I have is doing what they're good at. Mm-hmm. and all of the things that they're good at, I am terrible at.
And so it's like, Oh, awesome. You know, some people in entrepreneurship, they're like, Well, I don't wanna outsource cuz I could save the money and whatever. And it's like even, let's say, Email blast, for example. Yeah. I, So I've never even logged into my client database. I have someone who manages that, and if I need something from it, she gives it to me.
Totally. I could do all that. I could manage the whole database myself, but is it the best return on my time? No, it's not. And she's good at it. She can do it faster and better and so, so many of the different things that my employees do, even if I tried to save the money and do 'em myself, I still can't do 'em as good as they are.
Yeah. So it's like why? Mm-hmm. and I also, I hit on that a lot in my book too, is like the time value of. Or the value of time. And I gave an example in it. I won't dive into it, but basically in the early [00:48:00] years before I had a web guy, I was trying to figure out this problem on my website. I spent like nine hours trying to figure this thing out.
I mean, if I assigned myself an hourly rate, how much of my time did I just waste doing this? And I messaged this guy, I had just been in touch with kind of thinking about taking him on the squad guy. Yeah. He solved it. I don't remember how much time, like in a minute and a half. And I was like, And he was in Romania or Romania at the time, I think.
And he was like 12 bucks an hour. So I just paid him like a. Only a couple of dollars to fix this problem. Yeah. That I just wasted nine hours of my life. And you're like, and I'm frustrated. I'm hating my life. I'm, I'm not doing anything that's gonna make me good money. Mm-hmm. . And I could've paid him for a minute and a half of his time and the whole thing would've been resolved.
And so I love it. Like when I'm working with people, everyone's doing what they like to do. Cuz at that point, I almost don't even have to act like a boss that often, because everyone's self-sufficient. It's not like I have to be like, Nope, Uhuh bad, you know, do this. They're just, it. Everyone's doing what they're naturally good at.
[00:49:00] Yeah. And so it allows me to focus on what I'm naturally good at and it takes all the stress off. So I think it's, it's huge. 
Blake: Yeah. Absolutely. That's so cool to create an environment where you get to empower other people to just mm-hmm. do what they love and are the 
Ali: best at too. I mean, Well, can you imagine if everyone in the world was just doing what they're good at and excelling in that?
Mm-hmm. . Oh my God. Like how many of us all the time is doing things that we're terrible at? We don't like it. We're miserable. It's making us unhappy. And if everyone had the opportunity to just do what they're truly good at, not to say, you know, no grow, like yeah, there's room for like train yourself on other things and Totally.
The expansion and all that kind of stuff. So it's not like, you know, never learn something new. But if for the most part,, we were all focusing on our strengths, what would, I mean, not to go into like world peace or anything, but like it seems like we'd be making a good, 
Blake: create a much better world for everybody, I think, 
Ali: you know?
Yeah. Cause everyone would be happier for starters. Yeah. And the production, I think would [00:50:00] be astronomically higher again, when everyone in my company's doing what they're good at and it's things that I'm not good at, everything is at a higher level because I couldn't have taken it to that level myself.
It's like cooking. I'm never gonna be a Michelin chef. Do you know? Like it'll never happen no matter if I spend the rest of my life in cooking classes. I will never be Michelin grade. Yeah. Period. Yeah. So why not do the things that I can kind of quote unquote be Michelin grade at? You know, not again.
Absolutely doesn't mean don't learn new things or test your, you know, get outta your comfort zone and do things that you're bad at. I've done that several times, , and it's embarrassing, but it's humbling and it makes, you know, it, it makes me more well rounded. So it's totally, again, not saying don't ever do those things, but when it comes to your company or investing and you know, the best example turnkey rental properties, if you look at turnkey on paper, and you had told me before I got into 'em that that would be my ticket outta corporate and that would be the ticket for the next 10 years of my life.
That doesn't make any like a [00:51:00] sense at all. Yeah. There's nothing about turnkey rental properties that would suggest this, but again, it just was the natural, I'm so natural with turnkeys that it became that level of success. It just, Yeah, I didn't pick it. I didn't, I didn't. I would, I'd rather be good at flipping.
It sounds more fun. Mm-hmm. like, but I'm not. Yeah. And so again, I could go flip properties, but how successful in the long run, you know, how much success can I have compared to sticking with these adorable little frustrating, turnkey? It's just my thing. Yeah. And so I'm gonna follow that and it's worked.
Absolutely. Again, it doesn't make sense on paper, but again, following that all the way back to what started this whole conversations doing and what's natural and turn keys are really fricking natural for me. , 
Blake: that's such a good way to explain it too. You know, leaning into that. Yeah. That's something that I realized is, you know, not ev and people might have a vision of what they think they want to do.
Mm-hmm. also, you know, it sounds like you became extremely open minded too. Yeah. You know, whenever you're getting into this [00:52:00] process of working with primarily, you know, turn keys. Yeah. Because , you know, somebody came up to you and Yeah. Right at the beginning of it, or before you even thought about it and told you this was what was gonna happen.
You'd be like, 
Ali: Even when I started investing, I was doing the Nicaragua stuff and the guys had, they were already working with turnkey and they threw turnkey at me a couple times. I was like no, I don't care about that. Like, I want this beach bungalow. I want beach bungalows. I don't care about little rental properties.
Like, whatever. And sure enough, the only reason I think I got into it was because Atlanta became one of the big markets and they were like, Hey listen, we know you've already said you could care less about turnkey, but just a heads up. Mm-hmm. , they're coming in Atlanta. And I was like, Well, I mean, that'd be dumb of me not to look into 'em then cuz I'm from Atlanta.
Like that. That would be easy. Like, Yeah. And for $55,000. i'd, I'd be stupid not to follow that. And so it was really just by accident that I even listened it. Cause I was ignoring them for a very long time. Yeah. And I was like, Okay, well, you know, and that's where I say like, turnkey kind of fell in my lap again.
Not that I didn't do any work for 'em, but I didn't, I didn't pick it. I [00:53:00] didn't, I didn't, even when it was pitched to me, I was like, No, that sounds so boring. Yeah. And then suddenly they were not that boring. That's 
Blake: so cool. So what's the, Okay, I'm kind of shifting gears a little bit here. What's the, so what's the craziest kind of scenario you've, you've been in, you already detailed one of your crazy, you know, scenarios that you got in literally today.
Is that the one that I 
Ali: just came from? 
Blake: Yeah. Is that, is that the craziest one? I mean, do you want to talk about that? I just, I feel like people need to know. I, I think people need to know what they, what sometimes you get into as an entrepreneur. You know, I'm trying to think 
Ali: of the craziest. So this one, this one, I don't know if this is the craziest as much as the most.
Eye rolling or I'm not sure exactly the emotion is associated, but, So this house I did not buy turnkey. This was my house, which, Okay, got it. Yeah. So this was a little more sentimental. Mm-hmm. , because I lived in this house, This was, Oh my gosh. I know. And so the short story, we've had a tenant, we thought his name was Steven for the last two years, 800 credit score, the whole thing.
No [00:54:00] problems, always paid on time. And then, right. I think it was in April, things there was suddenly something had to be repaired and suddenly there was a hole in the wall. And we're like, Dude, you have to pay us for the hole in the wall. And this hole in the wall thing just spiraled into this chaotic mess.
He signed a lease renewal because it was up for renewal signs. The renewal right before May 1st, and on May 1st suddenly stops. Which seems really stupid. Yeah, because he had his free out. He literally could have just walked out. So when he didn't pay in May, they filed the right property manager filed for eviction.
Mm-hmm. by, I don't know, May 20th or something like that. Yeah. And this is, I've been a lesson learned for the property manager too, is, at least in Georgia, I would imagine this is the case in most states. Mm-hmm. is when there's an eviction underway, you legally can't enter the property because it's like some kind of conflict, you know, whatever.
Yeah, yeah. So the property manager had not gone to the property because they assumed we can't get on the property. Well, the lesson about that is go at least check on the property to see if it's vacant, because [00:55:00] we assume this guy was still there. Mm. And normally in Georgia, the eviction time is like 30 to 45 days.
Super easy, whatever. But because of covid backups, the last eviction they did in this particular county took 11 months. So now I'm sitting, there we're two months into it, I was like, . I already have two months of vacancy. It's about to be 11 months. Yeah. God knows what's gonna happen to this property while he's in it for the next 11 months.
All of us just assumed he was there. Mm-hmm. . So not only had he vacated the property, so we could have gotten in sooner. So we, this could have been done a while ago. Fortunately, my immediate neighbor called because one of my trees had fallen over the fence. And in this conversation I referenced the guy who had been living at the property.
Mm-hmm. , he said, he goes, A guy, what guy are you talking about? And I was like, That's not a good sign, Steven. You know, the tenant. He was like, No, no guy ever lived there. And I was like, Who lived there? , because this is the only person on the lease. And he said, Well, it started as two girls and it, one of the girls moved out.
So it was one girl. [00:56:00] Long story short, through the conversation with this neighbor, it became abundantly clear. God bless my little house. It has been a brothel for two years. That's, Yeah. When Steven never lived there, these girls were, it was one of those things at night, there were high end luxury cars.
Mm-hmm. new ones every two hours kind of thing. And I was like, I'm pretty sure my house has been violated. And he, there were parties and so he, fortunately because he. Thankful this tree fell over the fence. Yeah. Cause in that conversation he said the place has been vacant for two months. I was like, Wait, what?
Huh? Because this is our in to avoid 11 months of an eviction. So I immediately called the property manager. I was like, Gotta go over there. Cuz if it's vacant and they've turned any utilities off mm-hmm. legally that gives us, we can take possession of the property. Ah, okay. So she was about to go over there anyways, but she said they, because they haven't had this situation.
Really? So they're like, like immediately when eviction gets filed, we're at least gonna drive by properties and see if they're vacant. Yeah. Because had the neighbor not said anything, this could have gone on [00:57:00] for 11 months. And so my little house has been a brothel. Oh no. I think the cool term now is like trap house or something like that.
So when they finally got on the property, And I was like, Could it not have been any other property? It's the one I lived in. Yeah. Like that's, you're like, that's my, I love that house. If I could pick it up and take it down. And sentimental value it has sentimental. The rest of 'em are just numbers. That one is, That was, Oh,
Of course it's that one. I was like, and I have so many questions, but none of 'em I want answers to. And so it's been getting, it's in a turnover situation right now, but when they first went into it, first of all, they had left all sorts of food in the fridge, in the cabinets. There were maggots everywhere.
I was like, What? No. This is why I don't, I uhuh I am. People argue paying property manager fees. No thank you. They're like, that's just that reason alone. So I don't have to see that. Hundred worth them all day long. Whatever your fee, take it golly. So that it, the house could have, could be in worse shape.
But when they walked in, they saw all sorts of boxes for like expensive shoes [00:58:00] and all that. So I don't, I don't know if or to what extent drugs were involved in the whole thing. Mm-hmm. . But the Stephen dude never lived there. And I've, since when I've told this story to people, I've since found out that this is a thing.
I don't know if Steven is specifically the pimp or I don't know exactly the arrangement. I'm assuming he's some kind of pimp. That people will rent a house and they put the girls in it. And so I, I can only assume these are consenting women. I don't, I don't know. . Oh my gosh. And the utilities were in a girl's name too, so like, she even put the utilities in her name and the water lady wasn't really supposed to give me that information, but she gave me her name and I was like, Yeah, I've never in my life heard of that person.
So, Wow. I, I think this is a thing, but it, it goes to, you know, get prop, do pro. And we actually just inspected the property I think in February. So when we did inspections, I don't know if the guy would just go show up over, I don't, I don't know how this all has worked. Yeah. But it has baffled everybody.
It's not at all a neighborhood, you would expect this to [00:59:00] happen, but it's, you know, it's makes for a good story over a glass of wine when you're telling your friends, everyone hears brothel and they're like, Who? You know, like that took a turn and it's frustrating. It's super expensive. I mean, by the time I've been paying the mortgage and then all the repairs, it'll probably be just shy of 10 grand in total kinda thing.
Wow. But again, as soon as it's rented rent I can't even talk anymore. Rented. The thought of my dear old house being grandpa. I can't even talk anymore. Hey, it's okay. Was my 
Blake: function. We can, we can give a moment of silence for the house. Little moment of silence 
Ali: for little purple house. Yeah. So that's when I came rushing into here today, I just went over there.
Normally I don't see the, you know, I'm outta state, so I'm, I just happened to be in Atlanta. Yeah. So she gave me the lockbox code and. 
Blake: I cannot believe it. I mean, I can, because I feel like as an entrepreneur I, you're gonna run into so many insane things like no matter what. But that is the first time I've heard anything like that before.
That is pretty mind blowing. 
Ali: And it's, it's been because that's by far the nicest house I own. Cause the [01:00:00] rest I bought as rental properties and this was my house. So it's the nicest. Totally. And it's been interesting owning multiple rental properties, of which ones perfor. This kind of goes back to that.
Mm-hmm. , if you get excited about something, it might be worth going with. Cuz like when I bought my first wave of rental properties, I assumed, oh, this one will perform the best. This one, this, you know, whatever. It doesn't always work out that, like I've got one also in Atlanta that has a homeless encampment next to it now.
Yeah. And it's been one of my best performers. Totally. I, God forbid, that guy moves out and I have to rent out with a homeless encampment next to it. But, you know, somehow, so it, it's, you know, and this being my nicest house to end up being the brothel mm-hmm. , it's like I would've expected that on the super sketchy street, but not just, but I guess this was luxury brothel.
Blake: Yeah. You're 
Ali: like, you just don't know, you know, You never know when you're gonna own your own Red Lake district. Yeah. I, I, Dang cool. It's like, well that's, but I, you kind of gotta roll with it too. And Yeah. You know, even thinking of the property management thing, like again, people don't wanna pay six to 10% a month to a property manager.
Do you know how much time [01:01:00] she has spent on this project between the Yeah. Pay for herself, multiple time, legal fees. Yeah. I mean, she just getting these contractors to show up and do their job. Yeah. She is spending, There's no way she's getting paid properly. Not for my fees. Mm-hmm. , you know, she's got her salary obviously, but me paying a hundred something bucks a month for a property manager, people argue it.
But I don't have, it's not even just my time saving, it's my sanity saving. Mm-hmm. , which, this one's a sanity tester, but I'm from afar on the beach . Exactly. So I'm not in it and I didn't have to deal with the maggots, so, Oh, that's, you know, again, that goes back to that kind of, Value of time and money. And, you know, another, I, I've put all my best ideas in the book, that's why I referenced the book.
Yeah. But yeah, my favorite chapter in there is, so I have a theory that there's three true currencies, money, which everybody knows about. Mm-hmm. time and sanity. And I feel like people are looking at time more often. Yeah. Because it's a conversation now of like, you know, the value of your time, but people don't look at the sanity component.
Nevermind the time I would spend on maggots and brothels and [01:02:00] evictions and all that kinda stuff. I lose sanity. I can't, I don't mm-hmm. , I don't do well with all that stuff. Yeah. And so if I'm gonna pay more, I'm willing to pay more money if it means I get to save my time and my sanity. Totally. And for different projects, those priorities may be different.
I may be willing to spend more time on something in order to save money. Mm-hmm. , And this is for life. Not just investing, but it's something that everyone's gotta look at themselves of. Where do you wanna, what do you wanna save more of? Money, time, or sanity. Cuz you're gonna, you're gonna. Pay for things and what or more of those three things.
And these are 
Blake: finite resources. They are 
Ali: very finite across the board. Yeah. And money, You know, it's funny cause everyone always wants to save money. I'm like, money is almost more of the one that's not finite. Like, you can get more money, you can't get your time back. And to some degree you can get your sanity back, but you're gonna spend money on therapy to get it, you know, one to argue, we could get philosophical on that, but So sanity and kind of get back.
But the time you spend stressed out, you can't get that back. No. True. And the stress, you know, the, the damage that stress does. [01:03:00] I don't know about you, but I think that life is plenty stressful enough when I do outsource things. Mm-hmm. that I wanna save my reserves for . It's like the sanity bank. Like I, I'm gonna keep the deposits in there.
I'm not gonna, I don't want a landlord. I do have a local property, I landlord and it takes my sanity. Mm-hmm. , but it's a mile away. So I can't justify a property manager, but again, it's not worth me saving money if I'm gonna lose time and sanity and I, I want more people. It goes back to the strains. Yeah.
Like if you're swimming up swimming uphill, that's definitely not that one. Swimming up stream or climbing uphill. Yeah. Or swimming uphill. Yeah. It's hard. Absolutely. So you're gonna spend more sanity cuz you're not enjoying it. So when you're working to your strengths, you get to save a lot of that stuff.
So true. So, hey and turnkey are great for that, but yeah. Yay. Brothels. I that just, when you, that's you've seen it all. That is, that is a new one. And apparently not super uncommon. I'm starting to hear more and more so heads up, you know, just. Make sure your [01:04:00] actual tenants living there. I don't know the red flags for this.
I'm not familiar enough, like is there something in his application? I wouldn't know where to 
Blake: even start. You 
Ali: know, I, Yeah, he had a great credit. Everything qualified like. 
Blake: It probably would be don't undetectable, you know? Yeah. I don't know 
Ali: how we, how we could have known that was happen. And again, we inspected the property once or twice a year.
He pulled it off somehow. So that's so wild. But even more to that, like you can't, you can't prevent every problem as an investor, so you gotta kind of, I can laugh about that sad little day, but like I can laugh about it, like Absolutely. So this sucks, 
Blake: but it's just another thing to, Yeah, another thing to adjust to, and.
I don't know. It's almost like another part of the story, you 
Ali: know? Oh, it's, it's like, I wanna do like a tales from a rental property owner and I Oh, people. I think that would be great stories. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard story. I mean, rental property stories, I mean, any investing story can get quite entertaining.
Yeah, 
Blake: absolutely. Well, Allie, in wrapping up, I always like to ask two questions. Yeah. One of them [01:05:00] is, what is a myth that you would dispel about being an entrepreneur, if there is any that you might dispel. And then the last one is you know, what's your favorite thing about what you do? So, nothing too, Nothing too crazy.
Ali: Let's see. This is usually when I go into overthinking mode, I'm like, I wanna come up with the best answer. . Okay. So a myth to dispel about entrepreneurship. I, well, here's one. I'm making this up on, on the fly, but it feels. The myth being that being an entrepreneur is all about the business because I feel like anybody can make a business happen.
You know? Let's, I don't know, supply chain or products or whatever you're doing. Yeah. The business itself is not the problem. Typically, it's the entrepreneur. It is an absolute rollercoaster. And you know, like we were talking about, the sharks say like, you have to go through the periods where you don't know if you're gonna pay rent.
You don't know if you're gonna be able to do, you know, buy food or whatever. And it's true. And in that moment it's not about, I mean, yeah, it is about getting the products. [01:06:00] Mm-hmm. selling again. Sure. So you're making income. But for me, I think the myth is that the challenge is the business itself. I think it's the mindset.
Mm. Because it will test you to, It has tested me to no end, and it continues to test me to no end. I'm in real estate. Yeah. It's up and down . Yeah. Like, you know, I, I can have $0 months. And so I think that true entrepreneurship success. The challenge of it is not the business, it's the internal person.
Because, not to sound cliche, but if it was that easy, everybody could do it. Mm-hmm. . So it's like, if you're gonna succeed, what are you gonna have to go through to get there? So I think the myth is that it's actually about the business. Cuz I think it's the, Yeah. Entrepreneur's journey, whether you succeed or 
Blake: not.
Absolutely. So many people don't necessarily take that burn the boat's mentality. Mm-hmm. where they're ready. Commit to it a hundred percent. Yeah. And do whatever has to happen. Whatever you have to do to make it 
Ali: happen. And you're gonna get hit upside the head with a concrete block and it's gonna hurt
Yeah. [01:07:00] And so like, yeah. And you know, I've, I've heard people say that all the time and even when I hear them I'm like, Oh yeah, no big deal. It's when you actually experience it like, Oh, oh, okay. That actually, yeah, that's way more serious. Cuz by the time, you know, I'm sitting here and I sound all cheerful about it.
Like, Oh man, the hard times are so tough. They're terrible. I sound happy about it. Right. Yeah. Like, I'm like, they're fine, I'm good. I survived. I'm a happy, cheerful person. I'm not in those moments. No. And so that's what I feel like. By the time someone is telling the story of how challenging it was, they sound really cheerful about it.
Mm-hmm. . And so it kind of takes away from the true impact of it when it happens in the 
Blake: moment. Yeah. Yeah. But it's that's a great, that's a great thing to share because I know that there's lots of people that listen to podcasts and try to find resources out there to learn from people that have, you know, walked in the shoes of a person that's been successful.
I 
Ali: think it just came up with a podcast idea for you. I don't know what, what you could call it, but like, get entrepreneurs and, but whoever you want to purposely call [01:08:00] you when they're in it, like dark soul of the night. Oh. And just bring them in. Like have, you can even have a therapy couch if you need to, but like, that would be if you could catch people in the moments Yes.
That we talk about so cheerfully like, Oh, you wanna get, you wanna paint pictures. Like, that would be amazing. Cause like people think, you know, it's like, Oh well, you know, she figured it out. She's smart, but I don't sound very put together in those moments. Mm-hmm. , I sound like I'm about to lose my mind and my mentor.
He, he one time I would all, I'm one of those, I do everything myself. I'm super independent. Yeah. So by the time I ask for help, I'm basically dangling off the cliff. Mm-hmm. . And so he helped pull me back up from dangling off the cliff one time. And so we were kinda who you know, great, now we're gonna move on.
And he goes, Hey, can I ask you a favor? He was like, just food for thought. He was like, instead of waiting until you're dangling off the cliff to ask for help. Yeah. If you see the cliff coming it, you're not even near it, but you see it approaching. Call me. Yeah. He's like, You don't, you just don't have to [01:09:00] like, I mean it's, that's great.
I'm about to fall off the cliff and so, you know, but get people on a podcast who are 
Blake: dangling off the cliff. That is such a good idea. . That is such a good idea. 
Ali: I feel like the word vulnerability should be in the title. Yeah. Entrepreneur Vulner is some fun version of that. Like Totally. 
Blake: No, I love that.
Those are hard moments. I could just imagine too cuz you know, Yeah, you're right. Every time we talk about it where it's kind of like, Host war, you know? 
Ali: Oh, yay. It's so great. You'll love it. I promise it'll be fine. 
Blake: But it's like, no, it's, it fucking sucks. When you're, instead 
Ali: of having your coffee cup, you have a big tissue box right here.
Yeah, that's a good idea. They're not gonna be . 
Blake: Okay. I'm definitely gonna do that. And yeah, I'm, And as someone who, 
Ali: who's not into emotions of vulnerability, I will not be showing up for that one , but, I'll maybe I'll email you. Okay. I'm willing to email, but like, and you can just say, Okay. She says
Yeah. Like, don't make me show 
Blake: face on today's vulnerability corner and I'll up. You know, 
Ali: That'd be great. Love. Like that one, it's like no video cameras, audio only, [01:10:00] so you can't see, like, I'll get red and splotchy and you know, the, the mess. Just put the mess all out there. That 
Blake: would be, that would be, I think that would be amazing.
I I know I would get a lot out of that, so. Yeah. That's 
Ali: great. Now whether any entrepreneurs will show up in those moments or not, you know. Yeah. We're, we're not as a forthcoming on Emotions Bunch. 
Blake: I know, I know. It's it's, it is something cuz they're like, Okay, let's funnel this back into what I'm I'll just, I gotta, I gotta purpose all this emotional energy into something, you know.
You know, maybe we can create a, a vessel for people to 
Ali: relax a little bit. Beto would be really cool of that. And this is a message for people is like, I know like when I'm dangling off the cliff and I call my mentor finally and I talk to him and I have someone else who can see the forest through the trees.
Cause in those moments I can't see the bigger picture. Yes. And so like, collaborating with someone or having someone. I typically leave those conversations so motivated just, I don't wanna say fixed, but kind of fixed. Like, I'm like, whew, I got action steps. I'm out of the Stark Soul the [01:11:00] night. Mm-hmm. or Dark Night of the Soul type of thing.
And so like, it'd be cool like if people come in cuz you're an entrepreneur, you know, like having other people around. Cause I work by myself all the time. So to be at a table with people who can relate, you know, it'd probably be good for entrepreneurs too. Heck you again, whether you get walk through the door or not, that's the hard
Blake: Hey, we'll, we'll find a few brave souls out there I think to get this thing started. And maybe I'll just do my own one day, . Okay. 
Ali: Start and get the ball rolling 
Blake: because I know I have got all kinds of stuff ahead of me too, so. Mm-hmm. 
Ali: Get your, get yourself in a non cheery, put your like, Oh, I'm gonna get on the microphone now.
Yeah. . 
Blake: I'll like, Oh, that does sound hard. . 
Ali: After all that excitement, I forgot 
Blake: what the second question. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, no. Second question. What is your. Your favorite thing about what you do? ? Oh, 
Ali: making my own hours and just, I the lifestyle design part of it, I was like, Wait, is a summary phrase for this lifestyle design?
Lifestyle design. I, [01:12:00] I mean, this sounds so minor, but it's been one of the biggest game changers ever. Yeah. I'm a night owl. I go to bed when my body wants to go to bed, and I wake up when my body wants to wake up. Mm-hmm. , and it sounds benign and lazy, but the energy that I have mentally and physically when I just go with the natural, again, natural flow.
Yeah. Totally natural flow of my body. I get so much done at midnight, I can work at midnight and just crank everything out. Why wake myself up at 8:00 AM Yeah. If I'm just a complete blubbering idiot at 8:00 AM Totally. It's not efficient. Yeah. So, but location, independence, making my own hours. I'm traveling right now cause I want to, I just have my laptop.
I can keep up with work and that, you know, I feel like it's one of those concepts kinda like we were saying, like people talk with a smile on their face about the challenging times, which makes it hard to understand. Mm-hmm. , but also like people talk about financial freedom, lifestyle design until you've actually experienced it.
I think it's hard conceptually. Yeah. Everyone knows super awesome. Like, Oh yeah, I can travel when I want, [01:13:00] whatever. But when you actually get into it, it's 10 times better than it even seemed on paper. And it was already pretty exciting. Yeah. And so hands down. Why I go through the stressful periods and why I haven't gone back to corporate.
I, in the coup in the early years, I wasn't making very much money. And my mom was like, Would you ever consider going back to the engineering job? Where, remember those Friday paychecks, those were really nice. Yeah. And I was like, I'll sooner be homeless on the beach because I just don't wanna do that. So the lifestyle design compo, I, I spent six weeks in mammoth skiing in January and I just worked from Airbnb Travel and I want 'em in Atlanta right now.
Yeah. And going to Waffle House after this a hundred percent. You know, so it's, it's that, that is, and it's something that I feel bad that I can't better describe how amazing its, Cause it's kind of one of those things you have to experience to really absolutely, really get it. But it change. You can spend all the time you want with your family, your friends, you can say yes to luncheon invites, travel when you want.
I mean it change. Everything, in my [01:14:00] opinion. And I think a lot of people are getting more of opportunities for this cuz of remote work. Sure. Now it's, it's changing a lot for people. Sure. So they're starting to kind of see a taste of it. Yeah. Yeah, Exactly. And then when you can then work your own hours on top of working from wherever you want.
Yeah. It, there's no going back. 
Blake: There's no going back. Mm-hmm. You know? No, no. That is so cool. Allie, you have given us so many cool insights today. It's been great to have you on. It's been you know, so informing and I know that our audience, this is all the stuff that everybody's always giving feedback that they wanna learn more about.
So thank you for being so open and share your story. Is there anything you wanna plug before we before you wrap up? He works. Find 
Ali: out. Find out. Alluded to the book. Yeah. And so that was my quarantine project during Covid, and it's called Notch, Your How to Guide to Real Estate, Investing Life Lessons on Hacking Your Mind before you hack your Wallet.
And the idea was, most of it in there I feel like is applicable. You know, we talked about working to your strengths, doing things like that. Mm-hmm. and a lot of those things are applicable to life. I just put it in context of real estate investing. And really my [01:15:00] goal with that book was to make it a mindset book.
Yeah. Like a prerequisite to the how-to guides. Like someone can tell you how to flip properties all day long, but if your mindset's not in the right spot for it. It also, I set it up to help people figure out a strategy. You know, people get into real estate should you flip, maybe, but some people shouldn't, should do wholesale, I don't know.
Depends. So I kind of help people work through that. So I set up a link for your listeners to get a free copy of the book. Amazing. Do you remember the link? I, I'm gonna look it up. So my com company's name is Hipster Investments. So if you go to hipster investments.com/gem gem gm I was like the shortest 
Blake: one.
I have. You got your part and I got my part in. So we're track it. We'll, we'll add it into the description on this too. Perfect. So everybody can. 
Ali: Yeah. So if you go there, you can get a free digital copy if you're like me and you have to have something in your hand, there's a link to the Amazon link listing for it.
And then through that, if you go ahead and put in for that, then it opens you up to all my contact information, reach out. I love saying hi to people. Awesome. I've been doing tons of real estate investing coaching, even outside of Turn Keys, and that's [01:16:00] been my new favorite thing is, you know, especially if you're getting started, if you're overwhelmed, whatever.
Yeah. So there's coaching information, basically anything I can help you with, you know. Cool. Just start at that link and it'll, it would give you all the info. 
Blake: Wonderful. Well, everybody go say go say hey to Allie. Allie, please do. Yeah. Thanks. I 
Ali: work by myself. Say hi. I mean, people . 
Blake: Totally . All right, well, hey, this was an episode of the GEM Series.
Stay tuned for more from Allie. So much more that's gonna be coming out and have a great day.
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