Transcript This editable transcript was computer generated and might contain errors. People can also change the text after it was created. David Egts: So, Gunnar House springtime in Texas. Gunnar Hellekson: It was delightful and brief. I think I got about two weeks worth this spring. David Egts: Yes. Gunnar Hellekson: Today, we transitioned immediately into summer, we started with a spring morning and it's a 95 degrees out right now. David Egts: Wow. It's a dry heat. Gunnar Hellekson: At a hundred percent humidity. No, no. David Egts: Oh okay, it's a wet heat. Gunnar Hellekson: It's a, it's a very, very moist heat. So anyway, thanks, spring was nice. Thanks for spring. We're done with that now. Now, we're doing summer,… David Egts: Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: just in time for my next. My next run, I'm doing a 10K run in two weeks and… David Egts: Mmm. Okay. Gunnar Hellekson: I suppose it was a little bit too. Ambitious of me to think that I would have spring weather for it because that's apparently not happening. David Egts: Hmm. Is it a morning thing or afternoon? Okay. Gunnar Hellekson: Them. Oh yes. Yeah. Yeah it'll be in the morning so that that'll help a little bit. But yeah, we're I'm right into the Texas heat now, Yeah. David Egts: Nice. Yeah, it's just gonna get hotter from here, too. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. Oh and best to just rip the Band-Aid off to. Don't need to donate a gradual climb into it. We can we could just write into 95 degrees. That makes sense. Yeah. How about… David Egts: Yeah. Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: how's the weather? David Egts: oh, We had some crazy storms and we weathered them, but a little little ways down the road. Some people got their electricity knocked out and still don't have electricity. So they're patching all that. and then I was Flying and flying to DC tomorrow and I checked in and, you know, and it's like, I'm now down to gold status because I didn't fly enough on American last year. And and it's like, I check in and it's like, Damn I'm group four. It's like Yeah, it's like I'm with all the commoners, you know. so, and… Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, and the cattle. David Egts: then Yeah, yeah. And yeah, there's there's probably some guy holding the chicken and, you know, on and I called up American to see it's like Hey do you have any challenges? You know, because I got a bunch of travel coming up and you know like no but we can let you buy your elite status and it was like for only 50,000 points and 500 dollars that I could get the status and I'm like, no and and so,… Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. That's terrible. Yeah. David Egts: it's okay. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't meanwhile in the travel news. Good news, bad news or bad news? Good news like, you know, Marriott on their mobile app and on the also on the David Egts: You know browser, you know Web page they added multi-factor authentication, you know because you know there was all those Marriott hacks and everything and but the problem is is it you know how like you do MFA and you sign in and like whenever you do it it's like remember me on this device sort of thing? It doesn't do that. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. Oh no. David Egts: So yeah, so like every time you open the Marriott app, it has to it wants to text you code to log in even though I do it, does the biometrics too. Gunnar Hellekson: It's terrible. David Egts: so, Gunnar Hellekson: That drives me crazy. That drives me crazy. David Egts: Yeah. I never I never you know, every other time it's like Oh remember me on this device, you're cool, you know. And because what what happens is this is actually a what a dark pattern with the or a bad pattern with the multi-factor authentication because people just get into this, like, You know this reactive thing of just like hitting a proof on on the multi-factor authentication to just make the thing go away and… Gunnar Hellekson: Right. David Egts: that that could have bad consequences. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, yeah. No that's right, that's right. I always feel I always feel better when I can store. I can use the two-factor authentication and I can use a totp. You know what, like a time-based Code it. David Egts: Yes. Gunnar Hellekson: and if it's not that I always feel like, I always feel like I'm a little bit higher risk, right? Yeah. David Egts: Yes. Yeah. Like if you do what SMS or email Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, that's right. That's right. David Egts: yeah, and that's where you know, I would think SMS would be More or it would be less secure than email. Because there's like absolutely no encryption and that's, it's famously, like insecure, email isn't much better. 00:05:00 Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. David Egts: But what I've been hearing too, is it like, the totp? It isn't as crazy. It used to be where, you know, as far as people, you know, bypassing that and and they're like, you know, you know, the only, you know, real security people use the hardware token, you know, like you're like a yuba key with the phyto, you know,… Gunnar Hellekson: Oh yeah. Right. but,… David Egts: authentication on it. Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: I don't know, I got enough trouble. Keeping track on my phone, you know what I mean? David Egts: Right, right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And it's it, it's all about compromises and you know and tradeoffs and and convenience versus security and all that. So yeah, I get it, I get it. But and… Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. David Egts: then something you probably never hear out of me, but I have an iOS tip for you. Gunnar Hellekson: Oh. All right. I'm listening. Yeah. David Egts: Yeah. Yeah, so don't know if you knew this it you know I guess iOS 16.4 came out and on they have settings on the microphone to let you do voice isolation. Or your calls. Gunnar Hellekson: I saw this. Have you tried it out yet? David Egts: I've tried it. I don't know what I sound like nobody complained, so I guess that's good. So, you… Gunnar Hellekson: Mmm. David Egts: it's I got a really try it in a, you know, really new easy environment and see if anybody argues or whatever, or, you know, tells me it can't hear me or whatever. But but it's, you know, in typical Apple UX fashion. It's really weird on how to get into, like, you actually need to be on a call with somebody, like a telephone call or inside a FaceTime. And then it's using the microphone, then you click the microphone and then you change the microphone setting to. It could be voice isolation or normal or there's like some other mode which is the exact opposite of Voice Isolation, I guess it may be if you're playing music or something you know like instruments or something. So Yeah,… Gunnar Hellekson: Huh. Okay. David Egts: something to try out. Gunnar Hellekson: All right. I wonder Yeah. David Egts: Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: How would you know if it was working? That's a good question. David Egts: Yeah, it's you just got a I guess call somebody or leave voicemail messages for yourself and test it. Maybe Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: Right. Okay. David Egts: Yeah, so we got, we got a good show lined up. So we got questions and answers, I guess so. We've got questionable USB drives questionable long-distance kissing machines. as a president on question Non-questionable, long-distance guessing machines questionable cocktails And answers with a zygonic effect. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: Design, is that garnik effect? David Egts: Yeah, hopefully improve pronouncing it properly. Gunnar Hellekson: Okay. All right. I'm interested to learn more about this. David Egts: Yeah, it's a new term for our lexicon so it'll be good. Yeah, so where do we need to send people to get to learn about the questionable long-distance kissing machine? Gunnar Hellekson: yeah, so they can go to Dgshow.org that's d isn't Dave G's and Gunnarshow.org and if you're still on Twitter, both of you can go to Dgshow Dot Org and the other set of you who are on Mastodon cannot join us at DG Show Dot Org at Mass Teo Gunnar Hellekson: All right Dave, so what's on the what's on the coming room floor today? David Egts: Yeah, so I forget, I have to look it up. What episode? We talked about this guy, but you remember the Mister Troll logo guy, Gunnar Hellekson: Oh yeah. Yeah. The weird. Waxy pasty Russian guy with the nonsense song. David Egts: Yeah. Yeah. Not the Italian nonsense song but the the Russian one and… Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. Yeah. David Egts: and this is Soviet Russia. Right? Is like what 70s? Or something him singing on some variety show and thanks to the miracle of AI. It's been upscaled to HD. So we got a link to that in in the cutting room floor. So that's, that's your cognitive surplus at work there. And then, you know, speaking of AI creations, there's a guy that uses AI to generate selfies with historical figures like Jesus and Cleopatra. Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, yeah, that's right. Gunnar Hellekson: That's right. David Egts: Yeah, like… David Egts: if you like if you check it out like the one David Egts: the Last Supper picture looks like a like a Jethro Tull album cover or something. So it's it's amazing how that how they you know the technology is just as come. And then last from, you know, AI Miracles Will Smith eating spaghetti, it's all AI generated and here to hunt your dreams. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, in the same way that in the same way, that AI hasn't quite exact or mid journey, has not quite exactly figured out fingers. David Egts: Yes. Gunnar Hellekson: It hasn't also not figured out spaghetti. It's horrifying. David Egts: Yeah, yeah, well, and I got to figure out, you know, the thing, when I saw the thing of Will Smith, the AI Will Smith, Eating's spaghetti, was it reminded me of the Japanese commercials of Arnold Schwarzenegger eating like cup of noodles? You ever see them? 00:25:00 Gunnar Hellekson: Mm-hmm. Oh,… Gunnar Hellekson: yeah, sure. David Egts: Yeah. Yeah. So I yeah, it's good stuff. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. David Egts: Yeah, so let's let's talk about questionable USB Drive. So, Yeah,… Gunnar Hellekson: Hmm. David Egts: so we we've talked about, was it bad USB that you you plug it, you plug this USB thumb drive into a USB port and it just fries a computer. It has like some super capacitor or something, just like nukes, uh, surges power surges,… Gunnar Hellekson: Yep. David Egts: the the computer. Well, I guess there were some five, Ecuadorian journalists received USB drives in the mail. And each of the USB sticks were meant to explode once plugged into a USB slot. So it had like real explosives in it. Yeah. Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: I guess that's one way to do it. David Egts: You're sending a message and Yeah. And they said that the one journalist, he suffered mild hand and face injuries and no one else was harmed. But but I guess it's like the like the explosive that they're using, was sort of like the explosive that would go into like, like for like a detonator as opposed like, full-blown explosives with the shrapnel, and all that stuff. And yeah and and there was a recommendation. in the article saying that, if you do find USB drives, you know, in the mail or or you know, don't let your curiosity, get the best of you don't plug them in, so I If you're looking for a good reason not to do it,… 00:10:00 Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. David Egts: there you go there. Give it to a friend to plug in or an enemy. so, Yeah, you know. so yeah, got that going on and then you know, in China, I saw that there's there's an inventor entrepreneur, He invented, a long distance kissing machine, Gunnar Hellekson: Oh yes. I've seen these super creepy looking equipment. David Egts: Mm-hmm. Yeah, so it's called moi. So it's sort of like named after the sound people make, when they, they're blown and kiss, and what it does is that what you do is like, you have one of these devices and then you basically kiss it and then their sensors on that device, that will pick it up and then transmit it to the other person and it will replay That kiss the sounds and it will also warm up slightly during the kissing. Gunnar Hellekson: Okay, and this is supposed to be a good and not creepy. David Egts: Right, exactly. Yeah, if for those that haven't seen this and they can go to the show notes and check it out, it kind of looks like a giant asthma inhaler with lips on it. and, and you basically put your cell phone in The there's like a cell phone holder like on on the top part and you you push the button while you're kissing it and I guess it records a video to maybe so you could you could see the the person's kissing you and all that. But some of the the reviews have been mixed Believe it or not. Some people were saying that it was intriguing. Other people said it made them feel uncomfortable. Who would have thought? Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, I can imagine that. David Egts: Yeah, and then other people complained that there is a lack of a tongue. David Egts: So yeah, add that to your engineering backlog, I guess. But and I'm thinking it's like okay this must be expensive, you know, for this kind of thing, you know. It's like you you got all these sensors and stuff that heats up and it's transmitting kisses over the You know, you got to have some sort of mobile app or whatever 38 bucks. For one. Gunnar Hellekson: Oh, but then 38 bucks and in a reperable damage to your own sense of self-worth, right? David Egts: Yeah. Yeah or well. And you got to buy two of them I guess. Right for the other person unless you just want it for yourself, you know. And you know, Gunnar Hellekson: Oh, so gross. David Egts: Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: It's gross, right? David Egts: At least it's affordable I guess but yeah. Yep. And then No, imagine you're on the plane and you know, it's like, you know, in your group four boarding, you know, and and somebody's like sitting in the middle seat next year. And they're, they're sending a kiss to somebody before they take off and it's like, I don't need that. Not good. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, no, that's yeah. No thanks. No, thanks. David Egts: Yeah, and yeah, there was there's another thing I saw in. It was in Atlas obscura were also known. They also have a thing called gastro obscura, where I guess it was in the 50s that Campbell's soup. I had a big surge on making alcoholic drinks with soup in it. Gunnar Hellekson: Really. David Egts: Yeah, yeah. So like yeah, so if you check out the pagers, like, soup on the rocks that has like, Campbell's bullion with and with some alcohol and it's cool, clear and refreshing. You know, and yeah, and there's a frisky sour which I guess is whiskey with tomato soup in it. David Egts: And and what happened was that there is and if you if you're into recipes, they're you know, it's like you know, the hipster, you know, fancy cocktail people. They are actually doing this where there's somebody came up with a chicken soup martini, Gunnar Hellekson: Oh yeah. Now, this has to Dave,… David Egts: Yeah. Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: this has to be, this has to be like a Complete fabrication of a Campbell soup people, right? David Egts: In what way? Gunnar Hellekson: But I can't imagine anyone else who would be interested in coercing soup. Especially condensed soup into a cocktail recipe, right? David Egts: Yeah, well, I mean, you got your what bloody Marys, which is trend, you know, tomato juicy sort of thing. So it's kind of plausible and,… 00:15:00 Gunnar Hellekson: Hmm. David Egts: and, you know, some worshiper sauce and everything, little little bit of a fishy thing to it, but But also remember during that time that they were looking for ways to get the soup into everything. So think about all the casseroles or like the green bean casserole, right? With the mushroom soup,… Gunnar Hellekson: Oh yeah, yeah. Right. David Egts: which is awesome. But it's like, I don't want to watch that down with it that chicken soup martini. David Egts: So but anyhow that it's like you go check out the show notes. There is a recipe for the soup on the rocks and also the chicken soup martini. You could check it out. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, I don't I'm not sure I'm gonna do that. I'm not sure do that. Okay. David Egts: Yeah. Okay, and then I guess wrapping up we got the zygarnick effect. Gunnar Hellekson: Okay. Yeah, tell me what this is. David Egts: Yeah so like the way I think of it is like do you ever have things you just like intentionally place in the back of your mind to sort out subconsciously? Gunnar Hellekson: Sure. Yes, I do this. Yes. Yes. David Egts: Yeah. And so, you know, they talk about. So there's ironic effect describes the way unfinished, tax, unfinished tasks, remain active in our mind, including our thoughts, and our sleep until they're dealt with so, Yeah, so the thing there is like, for me, it's like, if I'm I go for a motorcycle ride and I'm thinking about like a You know, I got to come up with a presentation for some or a white paper or an article or something. You know, a lot of times I'll just like plant that seed and then go in the motorcycle ride and it's like, Oh, come up with all kind of great ideas when I come home because like subliminally or subconsciously. I'm thinking about all this stuff and and it was actually it was actually the effect is named after Luma Zygarnik. David Egts: A Lithuanian, Soviet psychologist and psychiatrist. And so, I guess she was out to dinner in Berlin with a large group of colleagues, and she like noticed that the waiter was, you know, just from memory, remembering all the drink orders and all the food and everything. I guess not writing it down, which always drives me nuts. I hate it right, that they don't write it down and then it but she left, and then she forgot her purse. And and so she went back and track down the waiter and the waiter didn't recognize her at all. And and he's like, I have no idea of, you know where you were receiving. I don't even recall you and and she's like, well, you have this great memory, you remembered all the drinks and stuff. And he's like, David Egts: For him. He remembers all this stuff until the task is completed. And once it's gone it's like out of his head and it's gone. So he's you know he could remember all this stuff but as soon as the people leave the restaurant,… Gunnar Hellekson: Hmm. David Egts: it's like he never he doesn't have to keep that stuff in his head anymore. So it's like it's not it's exact opposite of the zigarnik effect and so she ended up doing all these studies and everything and then one of the things that they talked about in this article is that they talked about the Hemingway effect where and this is this is really counterintuitive to me, is I guess, somebody asked, Ernest Hemingway, You know, how much should you write in a day And why did he said, was it The best way is always to stop when you are going good and you want to know what will happen next? And and then you stop and, and if you do that every day, when writing a novel, you'll never be stuck. So, Gunnar Hellekson: Oh, I see. Yeah, okay. David Egts: Yeah. So instead of like getting it all out of your head it's like you want to like Yeah I know what I'm doing and then you stop. Then you go off and do other stuff and it's just gonna just get richer as it sort of marinates in the back of your head. Gunnar Hellekson: Yes, yes. I see. I see. David Egts: Yeah. Yeah, and then there's another thing is said,… Gunnar Hellekson: Interesting. David Egts: like, Thomas Edison. He said never go to sleep without a request to your subconscious. David Egts: Which is cool, right? But what, but you also don't want to do it wrong because I guess could lead to anxiety and you're worrying about stuff. So, you know, like a lot of times too is like, I don't know if you do this but like at the end of the day, you know, I'm looking at my calendar for the next day and and, you know, it's like Oh, what do I got a plan for? Or when I set my alarm clock, I look at, you know, my calendar and say, Oh, this is what I got going on. And As I'll sleep on these things of everything that's going on and it just helps me mentally process and prepare for the day. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That's good. Advice to kind of look around the corner a little bit and see what's coming up before you go to bed. So you're not You're not uncertain about what the, what the morning is gonna look like, right? 00:20:00 David Egts: yeah, instead it well, yeah, you could have the uncertainty of not knowing or you could have the anxiety of like just worrying about all the stuff you have to do the next day, but if you can make a plan and figure out how you're going to accomplish it, you could sort of like Visualize it in your sleep. And and so, you're sort of you have this plan and you're all ready to go. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah. Yeah. Okay this makes sense. David Egts: You know. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah I I do take it into the zygonic effect that is okay. Go work on something for a while. Get it kind of loaded into your into the cache so to speak and then just let it marinate for a while and not try to coerce it out. Just let it sit there for a while. David Egts: Yes. Yeah. Gunnar Hellekson: I do find. That's a I do find that that is effective. I wonder and I do like the idea of like always making sure you Are because part of that bedtime, ritual would be like, priming yourself for the next day. Yes. To be looking around the corner, but also to be making sure that your your subconscious is working on tomorrow's stuff while you are while you are asleep,… David Egts: Mmm. Gunnar Hellekson: right? Yeah. Hmm. Interesting that Garnick effect. The so the funny thing is about this iconic effect is that I'm never going to remember the name of that. David Egts: Yes, as soon as this episode is done, you're gonna forget it. Yes. Gunnar Hellekson: That's right. Yeah, that's exactly what's gonna happen. I already know. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. David Egts: Yeah. Yep. And but the good news is is that if you forget, you could always go back to the show notes and, and look up those ironic effect and study it all over again, and listen to the episode again. Gunnar Hellekson: That's right. That's right. That's exactly right. David Egts: Yeah. And we'll, we'll let the cut it right here but we forgot to talk about the cutting room floor. This place it in. Gunnar Hellekson: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do you want to just do a isolated thing? I can I can and I can clip it in later. Yeah. David Egts: Yeah, yeah. Well let's let's close this and then We'll do the cutting room floor afterwards. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, cool. Okay, sounds good. Yeah. David Egts: That's sound good. Yeah. So Gunnar with. So with that said it's like Where would you go then to look up the show notes for this show and and study this Igaronic effect? Gunnar Hellekson: They should get to or all of our listeners. You go to Dgshow.org that's d as and Dave G as in Gunnar Show.org and if you like, you can go visit us on Twitter at DG Showdot Org and on Mastodon at the DD Show Dot Org at masco. David Egts: Awesome. Alright Gunnar. Well hey thanks and and thanks everybody for listening. Gunnar Hellekson: Yeah, thanks Dave. Thanks everyone.