Roz Thompson
[00:00:04] Hello and welcome to another episode of AWSP TV. [00:00:08] We are so excited to be back in the studio, live and in person with our special guest senator Lisa Wellman from the 401st legislative district. [00:00:16] Welcome! [00:00:17] Senator Wellman is the chair of the K-12 Early Learning Senate Education Committee and is on lots of different committees.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:00:24] Oh my goodness, yes.

Roz Thompson
[00:00:25] We'll be talking a lot about the mastery based learning committee, but we want to, you know, she and I had a chance to have a conversation a few months ago about educating kids for their future. [00:00:34] And we thought, well, why not share some of those ideas with our audience here and all of you so welcome and we're excited to, you know, bring more of our conversation out to other people.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:00:44] Well, it's my passion and you know how much I love to talk about what I am doing and interested in. [00:00:49] And this is something that's just so important to our future for our kids. [00:00:54] So I'm glad to have the ability to to reach out and talk about this.

Roz Thompson
[00:01:00] So great. [00:01:00] And you know, we were in light of kind of the current situation of school and where we're at with COVID and all of the things that people are juggling. [00:01:08] It's nice to take a moment, I think, to think about the future and what could be and what as we come out of this, what should last, what could be some lasting things that we can experience. [00:01:19] So that's great. [00:01:20] Well, let's start with mastery based learning. [00:01:22] What is the background of that workgroup and then what are really the goals of that work?

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:01:27] Well, why are we talking about mastery based at all? [00:01:30] And there's really two reasons why we're discussing it. [00:01:33] One is that we have a system that was essentially created for an industrial age. [00:01:39] And if you look around, we're in a digital world. [00:01:42] And so we want to make sure that our kids, each and every one of them comes out of school with the skills that they need to thrive in this environment. [00:01:52] And the other thing I think is is that mastery is based on looking at each and every child. [00:01:58] What are their talents? [00:01:59] What are their skills? [00:02:01] What are their passions? [00:02:02] What do they want to do? [00:02:04] And and because of that, I think that well, our hope is that we really will address the 20 to 25, 30 percent of kids that just are kind of lost in the system. [00:02:15] And by focusing on where they're coming from, I think we're going to have much better outcomes. [00:02:22] And so we're talking about mastery. [00:02:24] Some people call it competence. [00:02:27] You're going to hear a lot of different terminologies, but it is really looking at the whole child and in each and every.

Roz Thompson
[00:02:34] Yeah, absolutely. [00:02:35] And I think I've heard some of those discussions about having experiences be relevant and authentic and really connected to what the kids are passionate about. [00:02:43] Yes. [00:02:43] And how does that fit into the the structure that can be really tight in our in our state around credits and pathways and graduation requirements and things like that? [00:02:54] So, you know, how are how are we reimagining or rethinking what it might look like with some of the structures that are in place?

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:03:02] I'll just give you a simple answer about why did I have to read Silas Marner in English? [00:03:10] I loved science fiction. [00:03:13] Do you think that I could have learned as much about retaining information about what storytelling was all about by reading something that was was fascinating to me? [00:03:23] And then you might know, or I don't know if you knew that I was a teacher. [00:03:27] That was my degree was in teaching. [00:03:30] I certified K-12 and with specialization in learning disabilities. [00:03:35] And so when I was studying to be a teacher, we focused on the modalities, how two children learned that their visual, auditory, experiential. [00:03:45] And then we put them in a situation where they're mostly auditory. [00:03:49] They're just being taught, too. [00:03:51] And so I'm an experiential learner and a visual learner. [00:03:55] You can talk to me all day, and unless I'm writing it down, it's in one ear and out the other. [00:03:59] So we want to be able to give kids the opportunity to engage in in something that really excites them, but gives them an opportunity to learn it by doing it and then being able to talk about it and show their competency and demonstrate their competency. [00:04:18] Of course, it's still understanding, you know, reading, mathematics, etc., [00:04:25] science… those are still in there, but they're baked into the activities.

Roz Thompson
[00:04:30] So it sounds like there's room to really connect to some of the systems we have, High School Beyond plan, The Pathways. [00:04:38] Obviously, the choice that kids take with classes and credits and things like that, but to make some increased flexibility to some of those pieces. [00:04:47] And I think if I was a high school teacher for a long time, 18 years, that the transcript is one of the hardest things because that connects to what higher education is needing or wanting from our students. [00:04:59] So as an example, what are you talking abount related to transcripts?

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:05:03] Well, actually, I will tell you that I served for seven years on the board of Cal Poly when I was in California at Apple. [00:05:09] And the transcript is great, but it is. [00:05:14] All it tells you is that at a certain time and date, a child took some tests and did this on the test. [00:05:20] What can they do with that information? [00:05:22] Do they still even have the information? [00:05:25] It's really not a lot. [00:05:26] So we're starting to see the colleges, the universities, the community colleges. [00:05:31] They are recognizing that a portfolio is very — not only exciting about learning who the child is, but what can that child do? [00:05:41] How can that next level of education or even work really take that that young person to the next step? [00:05:48] So it's we are still kind of doing a dual system as the colleges themselves are now changing to accept it. [00:05:56] And I know I was in a discussion with Evergreen State College and talking to somebody who went from evergreen to Amazon. [00:06:05] And what she said was both the college and her employer said, Oh my goodness, we know who this person is, and we know so much more about how we can guide her and use her talents in our company. [00:06:20] So I think this is the direction we're going in. [00:06:23] It aligns with where we are economically, and so I'm excited about it.

Roz Thompson
[00:06:27] That's great and well, and I know I mean, I think technology can help us with that too. [00:06:32] It can help to bring so many pieces together in a portfolio to show a more complete picture of who a student is.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:06:39] And you mentioned the High School And Beyond Plan. [00:06:42] Well, that's a bugaboo for me because I think first of all, in many cases, when I talked to parents, they look at me and said, What is it? [00:06:52] They really haven't been involved with it. [00:06:54] That's number one. [00:06:55] Secondly, we're really just looking at, you know, middle school to to the end of high school. [00:07:00] And then that's it. [00:07:01] That's the plan. [00:07:02] But we really need in our economy now, we need to have a plan that really looks at the whole person and when we're looking at mastery, well, maybe it should matter that you were a Boy Scout and you took a troop into the High Sierras, which my grandson just did. [00:07:20] That's why I'm mentioning it. [00:07:21] Or you kind of you engaged in a community project. [00:07:25] And I was thinking of the youngsters in Camas at the start of the pandemic. [00:07:32] They got together, they programed their 3-D printer to make face masks, and they made thousands of face masks for their community. [00:07:39] Tell me that's not a civics lesson. [00:07:41] That's not understanding, you know, that's the kind of youngster we want coming out and understanding how they can be part of the community.

Roz Thompson
[00:07:49] Oh yeah. [00:07:50] I mean, they're much more. [00:07:51] They're excited talking about those experiences they've had that are right, that are the real, authentic experiences.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:07:56] So I want a high school and beyond, and I'm working with the providers to see if we can grow it to really start collecting all of those interests. [00:08:05] If you watch a video about being an engineer. [00:08:08] Put that in the in the plan so that you're interested in doing that where you had a particular experience visiting another country and learning another language. [00:08:17] All of that can go into the plan, and maybe that plan serves you the rest of your life because employers might want to be able to see all the things that you've accomplished and done.

Roz Thompson
[00:08:26] Right. [00:08:26] So so some of and I know some of the pieces of all of this are are newish to the system and have been evolving and changing. [00:08:34] I'm thinking of the pathways in particular. [00:08:36] And then COVID happened. [00:08:38] So our system hasn't quite had time yet to really communicate. [00:08:42] I think of the family story that you told and with all of the teachers and staff and people who need to really embrace this as part of a high school system that we still need some time and more resources to make it all happen well, but we're it's interesting that the work you're doing with mastery based learning is happening, you know, continuing to push forward again the future of what's possible.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:09:02] Well, and look where we are, you know, I know. [00:09:05] And just to the principals out there, thank you for your service. [00:09:09] You have had a really hard time and things that are happening that really are substantial and positive are happening because you're leading the charge in each of your schools. [00:09:19] So I don't want to say that, but I really think that we ought to look, you know, it's been challenging, but there are really some fabulous things that have come out of it that have actually caused us to leapfrog some of the things because mastery base really requires the community to understand what's going on, which is why I'm speaking to so many parent groups. [00:09:38] You know, the PTA is and just going around and making sure parents understand the simple changes that we're doing. [00:09:44] We started just by talking about pathways. [00:09:48] Well, we've kind of laid out pathways and I know that some of my fellow senators, I said, Oh, good thing, we're done with that. [00:09:56] We'll know every child could have a pathway and mastery based each and every child. [00:10:01] Has a way to the future that they really want for themselves. [00:10:05] So we want to enable that and allow some more flexibility in the system and to understand that that's that's one of the things that we're we're we're pushing for. [00:10:15] Yeah, yeah, right.

Roz Thompson
[00:10:16] Yeah. [00:10:16] And it's there's a lot of excitement in that area.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:10:19] And I think that we also understand we better that education, learning doesn't just take place in a room with somebody at the front of the room. [00:10:29] We've had a lot of young people on their own having to start to do, you know, kind of remote learning, but exploring with their devices now exploring the world. [00:10:42] And that's great.

Roz Thompson
[00:10:43] Yeah. [00:10:44] Well, as we talk more, I mean, again, the meeting we were at this morning together, we're talking more about the connection to community, the libraries, the health care systems, all of these afterschool groups. [00:10:55] What we want to honor is all those experiences that kids have outside the school building as well and having that be really meaningful.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:11:04] And you know, we have already in our state, well, we've had skill centers in our state for what, eight years or something like that. [00:11:11] But also, we have a number of mastery based schools already. [00:11:16] I mentioned in camps, there's one, there's a big picture, schools, many of them. [00:11:21] I know that there's a school in Olympia, so and I have one is Gibson in Issaquah. [00:11:28] And so it really is a community thing. [00:11:31] They've really begun. [00:11:32] And this fabulous one I just heard about in Pasco. [00:11:35] They've really begun because they see there's a need, there's a need for a new high school and this is typically what happens. [00:11:42] And they decide this high school will be a mastery based program. [00:11:46] And oftentimes there's a lottery to get in because there are more there's more desire than there are seats, but that's how that's how it starts. [00:11:56] And what we're doing with this workgroup is to actually explore, do a lot of outreach, get a lot of people at the table, students, teachers, principals, you know, people from labor, from all forms of industry talking about how are we going to move it forward? [00:12:16] And we really need everybody on board deciding. [00:12:19] So it will be a slow process. [00:12:21] But I'm excited about what we have to offer.

Roz Thompson
[00:12:25] Well, I was going to ask you then how how best could principals get involved in sharing some of their ideas because some of them are, you know, they are working on these new schools, visionary, different schedules and things like that? [00:12:37] Some are in some pretty traditional systems, but see, you know, see some ways that they want to change. [00:12:43] So what what might be the best way?

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:12:45] Well, to some some, and I'm hoping that I can help them, obviously by talking a lot about it and going out into the communities. [00:12:53] I think principals, it's it's really a question of sharing the information. [00:12:58] One of the things I want people to understand is that the reason we're all doing what we do is for our kids futures. [00:13:06] And I want each, every parent to understand that what we're creating is so that your child will have a way to thrive going forward. [00:13:16] And I think that that that connection, which principals have with their communities is really, really important and calling us, you know, give me a call, I will come anywhere to talk about this.

Roz Thompson
[00:13:30] And she's not joking. [00:13:32] We can set up Zoom's any time and have a bunch of principals zoom in.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:13:36] But we need the community on board. [00:13:38] And so I think what I try to share is technology is so embedded in everything that's out there. [00:13:48] You know, I have done a lot of economic development in rural Washington, and so I've been out in a lot of farms and a lot of places in the Palouse and beyond. [00:13:57] And what we see now is where there used to be 40 people on the farm, there is now a self-driving autonomous vehicle that's testing the soil, that's looking for aeration, that's looking for the various things, is guided by a GPS system… there's so much technical information there. [00:14:15] Auto mechanics There are 500 to 1500 chips in a car. [00:14:22] It's not just, you know, tune the engine, change the oil or whatever, I wasn't very good at that. [00:14:28] But, but I mean, it is a complex vehicle. [00:14:31] And this and now Washington state, which is really exciting, is becoming not only aerospace, which of course, we've we've had aviation, but aerospace, where we have rocketry and we have satellite production. [00:14:46] So there's and there are so many jobs available out there. [00:14:49] I want them to be for Washington kids.

Roz Thompson
[00:14:51] Well, so this leads to your other another passion of yours, which is STEM and computer science. [00:14:57] You want computer science for all kids in their future. [00:15:00] So talk more about that.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:15:02] Well, and you know, the bill that we had this last year, which said that for some kids instead of a second year, the third year of math is second year algebra and or science that they could choose an elective with computer science because I kind of think it should be reading, writing, coding because we're using computers. [00:15:24] I don't have my cell phone with me. [00:15:26] Believe it or not, you usually I have it right by my side. [00:15:30] But on that little device, I started off after I left teaching and went into high tech. [00:15:35] I started off on mainframes. [00:15:36] I have more computing power in this device, and you and everybody else who has their cell phone, than I did on a mainframe computer. [00:15:46] So the kids and now the kids are going to have the devices. [00:15:49] I want them to understand how computers work, how they're embedded in everything. [00:15:54] It's not just this, this box that sits on somebody's desk. [00:15:59] And I think that it will enable them to feel more comfortable digital, you know, digital literacy we've been talking about and digital citizenship when I headed the creative markets at Apple that included publishing. [00:16:13] So it was all the newspaper industry. [00:16:15] Well, how many newspapers do we have any more people get their news online by social media. [00:16:21] It's important that they know where it's coming from and what they're what they're learning about and how relevant it is. [00:16:28] But how real it is, right?

Roz Thompson
[00:16:30] So discerning the good information from bad information. [00:16:33] Absolutely. [00:16:34] Your library. [00:16:35] Happy about it? [00:16:35] Yeah. [00:16:36] Yes, there we go.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:16:37] And I don't want to leave out. [00:16:39] Our librarians in our schools are doing an amazing job as being actually a point person in terms of the digital literacy, right? [00:16:47] They're really very important to our school system.

Roz Thompson
[00:16:50] Well, tremendous amount of work with the broadband initiatives and getting devices to kids. [00:16:55] So that goes hand in hand with knowing about them and how to code, but also discerning good information. [00:17:01] All of that goes together with the broadband, which isn't done, but we're, you know, there's momentum.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:17:07] And I'm sure that a few years ago, I think principals never thought that they would be so involved with technology and and and teachers as well. [00:17:17] And now really, they have come on board as as well. [00:17:22] We were able to get quite a bit of broadband out. [00:17:24] We've invested almost a half a billion dollars of the state's money. [00:17:28] There's federal money coming in. [00:17:30] I want every single home that has a kid in it to have the kind of system, the quality system that they can actually get their work and have access to whatever they need, wherever they want to go. [00:17:43] Because the worlds out there.

Roz Thompson
[00:17:45] Are three or four kids so that they have enough for every child, every. [00:17:48] Just thinking of.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:17:49] Absolutely so, which Washington is one of the top states in the country. [00:17:54] If you're out there, you don't have a lot of bandwidth. [00:17:57] Understand that we're better here than almost any other place. [00:18:00] We really are quite good, but we we've got to get it. [00:18:04] We've got to finish the job the last 20 percent. [00:18:07] It's expensive. [00:18:07] It's billions of dollars, but I'm going after it.

Roz Thompson
[00:18:11] Well, this is so this is great. [00:18:12] Lots of things connected to the future of education. [00:18:15] What should students and their families really know about this? [00:18:19] And how can their voices be part of this conversation? [00:18:23] Because we have the Association of Washington student leaders, our other association as part of our family of organizations here, and we love to involve student voice. [00:18:32] So I'm wondering how kids get involved in talking about mastery based learning and their their high school beyond plan and what that might look like and computer science and all of that?

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:18:42] Well, I'm really pleased that we're recently. [00:18:46] I certainly in the last couple of years, we have had student voices on every one of those committees that work groups that I sit on. [00:18:54] And oh my goodness, these young people are so articulate. [00:18:58] I do not do not count them down or out or anything. [00:19:02] They are amazing and they have quite a bit to say. [00:19:05] And there, listen to them bringing groups together and talk about how education is evolving, how their future is. [00:19:14] I had a wonderful opportunity having gotten involved with mastery based and work, integrated learning and career connect Washington. [00:19:23] And, you know, kind of this this entire scope of hands on experience visiting Henrietta Lacks schools down in like school, down in Vancouver and seeing kids who want careers in the medical sciences or the health sciences where they're actually getting that experience. [00:19:43] And in many other places around the state, we're working that and I think that that's really been part of the revolution, part of the forward thinking that's going on. [00:19:56] So I think I think that they get together. [00:20:00] Young people and actually have this conversation. [00:20:03] Maybe there's a team of people, student leaders who want to really talk about what does it mean to them, what would they like to see? [00:20:09] Because I'd be very interested in hearing that as well. [00:20:13] And the grouped the purpose of the group actually is not just to look at legislation, but also do a lot of outreach. [00:20:21] So we will be having open meetings, probably virtual, unfortunately, but that we can get a lot of people actually who might not have been able to come to a meeting because we're doing it virtually and to get that input. [00:20:35] So we're doing these groups around the state, and I've already sent the message out to to various of my committee members, etc..

Roz Thompson
[00:20:44] Well, we have a couple groups just like that, so I'll invite you to some of the kid Zoom. [00:20:48] So I think there is I want to say there Tuesday evening, but I'll get you the info and they would be honored and thrilled to have you come into their space. [00:20:56] But I know from your perspective, it's what they have to share with you is so valuable.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:21:02] Oh, absolutely. [00:21:03] Yeah, yeah.

Roz Thompson
[00:21:04] That would be great. [00:21:05] Good. [00:21:05] Yeah. [00:21:05] Were you able to have I know you did a tour of the East Side in the last month or so where you did. [00:21:10] Were you able to have community group meetings?

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:21:13] Well, I was going to speak in the evening, so I was going to do the ESD and the superintendents during the day. [00:21:20] And then in the evening, work with have a thing with parents and it just didn't work out. [00:21:25] There's too much going on out there and it was it had it was just too challenging. [00:21:31] So I will be doing them virtually and I will also be doing videos like this, right? [00:21:36] More of them.

Roz Thompson
[00:21:37] Yeah, good. [00:21:38] And I think again, that's a silver lining. [00:21:40] Technology can help us communicate better. [00:21:43] So we've learned that that things can still keep it was been wonderful this year.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:21:48] It was wonderful this session, actually, which turned out to be a really solid session from my perspective in terms of what we got done. [00:21:56] But I also love the fact that people didn't have to spend a lot of money to come to Olympia to be heard, and they didn't have to. [00:22:04] And for many people who were disabled or whatever, they never were able to do it. [00:22:10] We heard from so many people it was many, many more.

Roz Thompson
[00:22:14] Than you had. [00:22:14] It was great. [00:22:15] What that leads us into maybe a question about twenty twenty two, whatever. [00:22:20] It's going to be a short session, maybe virtual. [00:22:23] Again, we don't know or hybrid ish, maybe continuing, maybe committee hearings where we have people who are able to zoom in, which I know the Senate was doing that. [00:22:31] Yes. [00:22:32] So what? [00:22:32] What's on the horizon or what are some things that may happen in education?

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:22:37] Well, I know what what the burden has been for our school leaders, the superintendents, principals, teachers. [00:22:46] It has just been so challenging. [00:22:48] And what I have promised is I'm going to try very hard not to add more. [00:22:54] I'm going to try very hard to be looking, first of all, at where the needs are. [00:22:59] That's what this tour's been about is to find out how the funds were spent. [00:23:05] I think I had hoped that we would be beyond COVID at this point, but I don't see any end in sight. [00:23:12] And so we're going to be in this space for a while as their funds are going to run out. [00:23:17] We need those supports that were provided by the funding. [00:23:21] And I think we're going to have to sit down and talk about funding going forward, how we're going to keep this going and try to tweak, make it better, but not a whole lot of new stuff.

Roz Thompson
[00:23:34] So I would refer to that as pause on policy. [00:23:36] So we're just going to pause on the policy because that would be we'd be OK with that because a lot has happened in the last 10 years, right, with testing and standards. [00:23:44] Oh, graduation. [00:23:45] And so just a pause on policy we've had with that. [00:23:52] I liked how you phrased it today. [00:23:53] Earlier, we were talking about the ASR funds and the tremendous opportunity they provide, and there are some very creative ways that districts have planned for learning, recovery and mental health support and things like that. [00:24:06] But you had such a lovely phrase around, you know, this opportunity to have this, you know, massive investment into really what we envision schools absolutely becoming.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:24:18] I was talking about community schools because our schools are the heart of the community. [00:24:23] Everything education, health, everything impacts schools. [00:24:27] We're aware of everything. [00:24:29] And we heard so many creative programs and solutions that I want to gather them together. [00:24:34] And that will be hopefully a way forward for us to build into some of the future thinking that we're doing good.

Roz Thompson
[00:24:42] Yeah, good. [00:24:42] Well, I'm so glad you were here. [00:24:44] Anything else? [00:24:44] What did we do? [00:24:45] We miss anything you want to leave us with at the end to see? [00:24:49] Well, any last final thoughts?

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:24:52] I would just I would say that our kids are amazing and they are. [00:25:01] They're actually doing so much more than I could ever have hoped that they would be doing, given all the challenges they're they're embracing technology that they didn't have before. [00:25:11] They're embracing the challenges. [00:25:13] They're actually exhibiting some of the things that we want. [00:25:18] They're being collaborative. [00:25:19] They're communicating with one another, they're demonstrating critical thinking, all those kinds of things that we're looking for. [00:25:26] We're seeing a lot of that from from our kids today.

Roz Thompson
[00:25:29] So they're they're resilient.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:25:31] They are resilient. [00:25:32] Grit is not a bad thing.

Roz Thompson
[00:25:34] Yeah, no. [00:25:35] It's good. [00:25:35] Yeah. [00:25:36] OK, last question we always end with. [00:25:39] Do you have any great stories or can you share with us who was your favorite principal? [00:25:48] I put you on the spot, I did. [00:25:49] I didn't even tell you that was going to happen.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:25:50] You know, I don't think that I ever had, well, Loretta Coons was the principal of my high school and that was in New Rochelle, New York. [00:26:01] I would have to say we had an amazing education. [00:26:05] I, when I look around and I see, you know, how I came out of school, I was, Wow, that was really, I think, solid. [00:26:13] But I also, she was not present. [00:26:16] I mean, it was not somebody that I saw, but we're talking about. [00:26:21] I just had my 60th reunion. [00:26:23] So come on, you know, school was a very different place, you know?

Roz Thompson
[00:26:27] I was true, very differently.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:26:29] I went home. [00:26:29] If I ever came back and said my teacher was upset with me, it would have been on my god.

Roz Thompson
[00:26:35] So you didn't visit her office frequently. [00:26:37] You were not one of those.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:26:40] She was just a figurehead that you saw. [00:26:42] I had no idea what her job was.

Roz Thompson
[00:26:44] Well, I'm glad you had a woman as a as a high school principal that that says something right there. [00:26:49] So good.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:26:50] But I had a lot of yeah, no, I had I had some amazing teachers that really put up with me because I like I really like to get into it and to dig in and question. [00:27:06] I was one of those kids.

Roz Thompson
[00:27:08] So I bet you remember the relationships or how they made you feel or how they honored that conversation. [00:27:13] Like, you know, you know, when it went well and you know, when it didn't go well, that's that's what we're after here is the connections with kids. [00:27:19] Yeah. [00:27:20] And how people feel as part of the school community. [00:27:23] So, yeah, well, I feel great that you were here. [00:27:26] Thank you so much for taking time to be there.

Sen. Lisa Wellman
[00:27:28] Yeah, no. [00:27:29] I appreciate all that you do and we get together so frequently and it really gives me a sense of some things that I I need to hear about what's going on.

Roz Thompson
[00:27:38] So I will keep extending the invitations to connect out there with our members and our kids. [00:27:42] And thank you all so much for tuning in and we will do more later on.