02:44.99 Matthew Good evening welcome to my brutalist Aztec -inspid architecturally sound home. My name is Matthew and I'm joined ah as always by a man with a golden a k who hopefully doesn't have to use it. Dave how you doing Dave. 03:06.81 Dave I'm doing real good I got the invitation you sent me. 03:10.90 Matthew Great. You got my evite wonderful. Oh yeah, you work for me and always on my retainer. Ah, he goes by Dr Faust in some places. Ah, but. 03:12.15 Dave Ah, oh wait I back I'm wait I'm I don't get the invitation I'm I'm the bodyguard I work for you. 03:27.27 Matthew Here he's known as our front Leonard Leonard how you doing. 03:30.53 Leonard I'm good I refuse to be Eric Andre and not that I have a problem with Eric Andre I just refuse to be Eric. Thank you very much. But. 03:37.15 Dave Um, oh I thought I thought you were put in the place at the doctor doctor then this I yeah. 03:37.87 Matthew Yeah, yeah, you've got the mug full of joints. You're everyone's friend. 03:45.36 Leonard Ah, man. Yeah yeah, I'm good I'm good. 03:49.75 Matthew Yeah, good good, good good. Um. 03:51.47 Dave Yeah, are you smooth, clean or everyone was except yeah. 03:58.45 Matthew Yes, softer brighter or cleaner. We'll get to those terms when those come up because I really enjoyed the use of that. Um, yeah, so tonight we are um, looking at the 2 final installments. Ah, the cabin of curiosities. The episodes titled the viewing and the murmuring. Ah, the fact that the second one is not called the murmuration kind of bugs me but we'll get there the murmuring. Ah, but we're going to start with the viewing here. Um this one. Ah. Was probably I don't I keep saying that each one is more star stued than the last but this one really felt like this is where I knew almost the entire cast as they were being introduced which was pretty cool. Um, especially since Peter Weller himself is in it revokop. 04:52.70 Dave so so I knew Peter Weller and then knew nobody else I was like I don't know who any of these people are yeah probably why I don't know who they are. 04:53.74 Matthew Is in this one. Ah, really because they're all like ah indie comedians and stuff. So it's yeah yeah, ah's good stuff. Man Steve Vg is great and ah I like Eric Gondre a lot. So um. 05:00.80 Leonard Um. 05:05.28 Leonard It's just. 05:11.69 Matthew Yeah, ah we open. It's a 1979 September Twenty second um and this entire it opens with this synth soundtrack this entire ah episode has this driving synth soundtrack that is just. Um, it's funny because you listen to synth music now and they're like oh this is what the 80 s and the 70 s sounded like in stuff and it really didn't then if you listen to synth music from then it was not as like. Dark and gritty I don't know it's very hard to describe. But this synth music actually is to to a purpose. Um, we open up on ah a speed demon someone is just I think this is a nice little corvette. This person is driving flying up. A parking garage parks like way too fast gets out um and it is ah 1 of our first protagonists. This is Charlotte in this car. Um, she is ah played by Char Nie ah she is a like young astrophysicist. We learned this all later but waiting in this parking garage are 3 other people. Ah Steve Agey who is guy Landon a famous novelist Ranald Roth played Eric Andre who is a musician and. 06:44.52 Matthew Who is this last guy he has such a great name. His name is targ reinhard ah played by Michael Thoreau and um, they have been talking with each other and they all found out. They were on late night radio at some point which with the synth soundtrack and them saying they were on late right? late night radio was like oh man are we getting like an art bell slash George Norrie story because that would be amazing and now unfortunately no, it's more of like ah what was that old Npr show like music from the depths of space or something you guys ever heard that one. 07:21.11 Leonard No I'm also unfamiliar. 07:22.00 Dave Um, no. 07:22.92 Matthew It's on at like 1 a m on npr I know right? This is this is what you get when you have an insomniac child who only has a radio in his bedroom. Ah you listen to really late night npr ah synthesizer ah programming. Um, but ah, that got. Like real vibes from that and then all of a sudden the coolest van on earth pulls up. Ah there's ah, a fella with ah a shag haircut and a handlebar mustache named Hector sitting inside and tells them all to hop in with a big smile the way that a stranger would and you should never get in those vans. we all we all know about that. Um, let's see here. Ah, they are in the van and um this is when ah the beginning of the theme of this kind of crops up and I didn't notice it at first until the second kind of. Ah, go through on this. Um, when Steve a g who I'll try to use their character names guy Landon um, yes for cigarette from hector. Um, hector lights 2 gives him one and he seems to. Really enjoy this cigarette as they are asked to sit and listen to synth music as they are brought to wherever it is. They're going. No one knows where they're going hector won't give them the information they don't know who their mysterious benefactor is they don't know who they're going what they're going to be seeing. They just know it's of prestige of some sort. 08:58.16 Matthew We don't really know why all these people are picked to go to this place and ah we end up at this place called the Sandpiper house which do we ever get to see I don't think we ever get to see it like fully from the exterior. 09:14.30 Dave Um, no, just the garage area and the path like the walk through path. 09:17.37 Matthew Yeah, yeah, which is this monolithic like concrete structure ah is very intimidating. The lighting is crazy and um, the first shot of them in the sandpiper house is then walking through this. 09:19.62 Leonard Driveway. Yeah. 09:35.79 Matthew Long the shots in this are like like is Kubrickian the word. Ah they are like long like shots of like long hallways where things take slow racks. You know as they move towards the camera. The camera is just dead. Still um. 09:40.32 Dave Yeah, yeah. 09:55.49 Matthew As like just and a very full score plays over it. Um I Really really liked the filmography and or not filmography the ah cinematography man. But in this one. 10:04.70 Dave It cinemetography so have you watched panos cosmoto's other films so you knew well Mandy's hit or miss but beyond the black rainbow so that's that's mean, um. 10:11.23 Matthew I have not I am very interested in them now though. Oh I love Mandy so I have so I have yeah I I love Mandy yeah, all right there we go. Okay. 10:18.36 Leonard Um. 10:21.80 Dave He he directed that but watch beyond the black rainbow because that's this but a whole like 2 hour long movie. 10:26.70 Leonard Yeah. 10:30.85 Matthew I Definitely would this this This is my jam I like this stuff. Um. 10:33.57 Dave Yeah, it's it's this minus like take the lens flare down maybe 70% but it's still kind of there. They're still like that vibe and then the music is holy like this is his. 10:44.91 Matthew Who. 10:53.12 Dave Steves he does this for his soundtracks. 10:53.70 Matthew This this is is uber all right? That's good to know man. Yeah I didn't like look up a lot about the production and the director I probably should have done that a little bit more but um I wanted to just go at this as it was presented to me and yeah, this great. So yeah, the fact that there is a Mandy connection here. That's just. Obvious now. Um, but yeah. 11:14.95 Dave That Well the the music the the diagetic music that they're playing is like part and parcel of what's going on and beyond the black Rainbow that particular film is about um. 11:20.28 Matthew Um. 11:32.62 Dave It's kind of sat in the same time period. It's like late 70 s early eighty s that I think it's still ambiguous, but it is about the um use of hostciogenics in opening up the mind's eye. So it's like the flower power. 11:50.88 Dave Blending into 80 s kind of counter culture cults like new age cults that were springing up so it's it's bonkers. It's like this. But. 11:58.28 Matthew Um. 12:08.84 Dave More um, even more like 1 location and 3 cast members. Yeah, and then it's just this this soundtrack like it's almost the same soundtrack. It's similar. 12:14.68 Matthew All right. 12:23.70 Matthew That's amazing I've got it written out I'm going to watch this um great. Ah and as they're walking in here I noted the ah hector is telling them about stargaser lilies. 12:38.77 Matthew These lilies that have been hybridized to flower upwards instead of downwards a huge metaphor in this. Not only for like opening yourself to the cosmos or whatever but a huge metaphor for Hybridization. Ah. The successful blending of things to open yourself up to the stars which is like when this whole thing was over I was like that's why they talked about those star gaze are lilies so much because that is ah is a nice circle that they make all the way back to those. 13:15.18 Matthew Um, there are a lot of circles in this one. Um and we get to my next favorite circle is the conversation pit but we'll get there in a minute. Um as they're walking in ah Peter Weller gets introduced ah by a dude who looks like ah like. 13:15.53 Dave Um, there's a lot of circles in this movie. 13:34.83 Matthew He's like John C Lilly meets David Carrodine like he's a fairy like there's a dude from this era that looks like this and they just nailed it. Absolutely um, ah and he is being given lsd. Ah. I think he introduces Dr Zara right um I'm not sure. Yeah, ah right? and that is Sophia benoy right? Butella Sophia butella um, and she asks him if he wants it softer. 13:55.62 Dave Um, yeah, well she's just like attending to him. 14:11.23 Matthew Brighter or cleaner. Um, which are ways to feel a high um and also audio and video terms which there's less video in this. But I guess audio is more appropriate because audio is like the driving thing. In this softer brighter cleaner like you know I have those are dials on my base amp. Um, so I think it's very interesting that there's just like that little correlation there and he wants to be Surprised. Ah as our guests are being led into. This amazing creaking conversation pit where the majority of this episode is going to take place. It's in this room that reminds me I don't know there's a lot of a lot of different influences in here but did you guys ever watch legion when that was on. 15:04.95 Leonard Yes. 15:07.64 Matthew Um, yeah, ah there were like like how everything in legion was I think it was hexagonal or octagonal. Ah and all the geometry kind of blended together to be this sort of harsh angles that blended into circles. Um. 15:13.87 Leonard And. 15:25.81 Matthew That is that this room just gives you that feeling everything you know, like like the beams on the ceiling are they all have ninety degree angles on them. But they bleed together into this one sort of central organ thing that provides light for this huge rotating table. Um. 15:45.95 Matthew Um, yeah, it's ah this is where everybody gets served their their drinks. Um everyone gets served a drink that is tailor made for them. They all know this. Mysterious benefactor knows exactly what they want want right down to Eric Andre's character Randall the type of tea he drinks and the type of Tibetan mentholated cigarettes that he smokes um and this is our second look at. Ah, one of the major themes of this this piece and its addiction. Um, Randall is the only one who has been kind of putting things away. Everybody else gets a other than the astrophysicist she gets ginger ale right? So we don't yeah. 16:38.37 Dave Um, yeah. 16:38.42 Leonard I Believe so. 16:42.21 Matthew But her her her addiction is is something else. She's the thrill seeker she's the one who was shown speeding in a car at the beginning recklessly and is shown doing the same later on something that she never has to. Wrestle with as much as Randall has to wrestle with because obviously he has stopped smoking. He is drinking tea now everyone else has alcohol other than Charlotte and he seems to really struggle with everything that's being given to him right away. Ah and this is when. Um, ah Lionel ah Peter Weller comes out introduces himself by this long story about a bottle of japanese whiskey that survived bombings world war ii and earthquake and like goes on to talk about. You know the prestige of this bottle. 17:38.60 Matthew And there's an amazing sequence. Ah where Dr Zara is pouring um these tumblers of whiskey as the table is moving in perfect sync with the music that stops at each person perfectly. She's pouring at the exact time. 17:59.17 Matthew Ah, and Randall's the only one who doesn't drink right away. Um, we see I just want to call him by his his actual name Guy Landon just knocks this thing out of the park. Um, just kills it in one shot. 18:16.27 Matthew Um, Targ Reinhart ah can barely handle the whiskey and ah Charlotte is just kind of sipping on it. It. It is starting to show these individual character personalities something I didn't catch on in the beginning was. how important um how rigid or how flexible each person was and how that sort of bled into their eventual fates. Um, Guy Landon's a guy who. Is someone who onces his mind is made up his mind is made up and he will do the thing and he is extremely inflexible in what he does targ the psychic um, kind of is like very flexible. He gives into peer pressure very easily and tries things that he doesn't want to but does anyway and tries to. Open up but he's maybe a little too flexible. Um he he folds extremely easily and eventually randall drinks. Um, after a lot of cajoling from. Lionel um, do you guys have anything to I feel like I'm talking a lot here if you guys have anything to say about this this this section here about these characters how they're introduced. Yeah. 19:38.48 Dave About this particular scene. So yeah, um, it's giving you an insight into how each of them operate and how they think what they're dealing with because um. 19:55.76 Dave Lionel ostensibly invited them here. Ah because each of them is like a master of their craft and he wants their opinion and or help in whatever his goal is. That's why he got them here. 20:09.61 Matthew Um, yeah. 20:14.51 Dave But Also each of them is like currently dealing with an issue where they they're they're at or past their prime and that's something where. Targ is I don't think he's a Charlatan but it's it's towing that line where he's He's so um. 20:40.32 Matthew Is. 20:49.80 Dave Yes, so so flexible. So bending in with the wind that he I think he lost credibility at least in well and that's what um, ah. 20:55.76 Matthew Yeah, he's a John C Lily type yeah who like pushed it a little too far. Yeah. 21:06.55 Dave Landon Try Landon yes Landon doesn't like him and landon himself ah is out kind of out of the writing game like he's trying to come up with his next like big. 21:10.32 Matthew Landon yeah, no. 21:25.94 Dave Novel and we get the same thing with um were his name Randall yes Randall is he's hit a snag and he's not. 21:34.29 Matthew Randall yeah. 21:43.91 Dave Digging his current work like it's just not doing what he wants which is I think why he has um, kind of gone cold turkey. He's laid off of a lot of various substance abuses or uses and that's. 22:01.73 Dave Probably affecting his ability to create like if he if he had done a lot of his music while he was under multiple influences and then now he's like well I need to be dry to work out what I'm doing again. But at the same time. 22:14.52 Matthew Um. 22:18.23 Dave I'm not I'm now no longer like loose enough to do the thing I wanted to do so it's that kind of situation and then we have Charlotte where she's she's in a position. Um. 22:23.13 Matthew Um. 22:34.94 Dave To be at like the forefront of science as an astrophysicist but is unsure of herself in that regard I think only yeah and she's like I'm just it's in the rough draft like I'm still working this. Um. 22:40.37 Matthew And she yeah her paper isn't even published yet like and yeah, it's in the rough draft phases. Yeah. 22:53.69 Dave And but her potential is there. Ah but I don't I think that she's barreling ahead in like other regards versus like the thing she's probably supposed to be doing so she went the other way as opposed to ran all like they're like they're doing too. 22:56.15 Matthew Um. 23:03.74 Matthew Yeah. 23:12.26 Dave Two sides of kind of the same coin like she was probably not as reckless and then is working on everything and then now she's like maybe she's hit a roadblock or something and can't work on the thing. So now she's just trying to challenge herself in some other way to like kickstart it. 23:14.76 Leonard Ah. 23:14.84 Matthew Um. 23:27.27 Matthew Yeah. 23:29.56 Dave Is my read on just like you know we're not, we're not giving that information. But I just that's the feel I get from her conversation with Lionel because he's digging into everybody. He's like he's heaping praises upon them. But at the same time kind of picking at them. 23:36.51 Matthew Yeah I mean that that that's a fair read. 23:46.15 Leonard Yes. 23:46.73 Matthew It's all backhanded. Yeah yeah, ah he like they all established that they were on late night radio which is a place that usually people in their prime or credible people don't end up um like. 23:48.30 Dave Yeah, for sure. 24:04.19 Matthew Ah, man I keep forgetting Steve Ag's character's name guy Landon he's a pulp novelist but Lionel refers to him as one of the greatest novelists of our time you know like a lot of people love Stephen King I don't think a lot of people would call Stephen King the greatest novelist of our time. 24:17.15 Dave Yeah, he's doing a lot of ego stroking because he wants specific reactions out of them. 24:23.35 Matthew Ah, yeah, yeah, and Randall's a musician but specifically a studio musician. He's not the talent. He is not the person who has the name on the song that comes out on the radio. He's just the guy who composed it. You know. It's like the guy who arranges like Beyonce's tracks or something you never know that guy's name so they're never like all these people are almost kind of like successful but in like the way that you don't want to be. 24:45.40 Dave Yeah. 24:58.99 Leonard It there. They they all feel very has been a um to yes, but. 25:00.95 Matthew Um, yeah. 25:01.58 Dave Or they've settled like they didn't make it and then now they're like well I'm I'm here now and this is what I do and it sucks. 25:10.66 Leonard Right? except for like once again I well not once again, well yes, once again, unlike Charlotte who yes is is focusing on things other than um, you know her actual career. The thing that she seems to be. 25:11.22 Matthew Um. 25:28.19 Leonard Ah, really very capable and competent of which is shown later on in the episode ah like she's just getting started like she like everyone else feels like a has been except for her and it that so ah. I I like a lot of things that are happening in this episode. But the thing that kind of drives me insane about it is um, it feels like. A rich asshole got a bunch of hasbes together to stroke their egos because he wants them to do something for him and is like stroking us stroking their egos giving them but but also giving them backhanded compliments and like providing empty platitudes. It's it's very bizarre like I and I don't and I don't think that it's bad I I just have a problem with each of the characters except for like Randall and charle. It. 26:20.70 Dave So so. 26:35.26 Matthew Um. 26:35.49 Dave The whole setup. This isn't um, not to say that this is a ah ah redo or an updated thing. This is um, running off of the framework of house on Haunted Hill like the original one. 26:48.60 Leonard Yes. 26:52.22 Dave It's this. It's roughly the same setup. There's the same kind of super rich brutalist architecture. Ah reclusive rich guy who's also a jerk and then it's a bunch of strangers gathered together that don't I mean they don't know each other really. 26:52.22 Matthew Ah. 27:11.92 Dave Um, and they're there for some unknown purpose at behest of like the main rich guy and then they're kind of just stumbling along to his tune. 27:17.72 Leonard Right. 27:18.41 Matthew Yeah. 27:27.25 Matthew Yeah, and the stumbling gets a little bit easier, especially after the Lsd Lace cocaine comes out. Um, yeah, and it just turns in like there's just so much cocaine. It's like it's like you're watching heavy metal that one. 27:34.68 Dave Um, yeah. 27:44.81 Matthew I forget what they called it in the heavy metal movie or those 2 aliens that just did a ton of cocaine but it just it felt like that like Peter Weller like doesn't eat ball by himself. It's nuts. Um, and ah everybody just kind of falls into it. Um. 27:48.61 Leonard Have right. 28:03.88 Matthew Ah, it. It feels like ah Lyna wants. Everyone's minds to be open to you know you can't tell if he's showing off because he's rich and he has access to these drugs that are lab created and you know. It's the best weed and the best cocaine you could ever have I love when the joint comes to him. He's like I don't touch that hipy shit I fucking love that. Um, because it's just like he's he's already over his own thing. You know he just even what what is it? he says except for the cocaine. 28:35.80 Dave Um, except for the cocaine and the whiskey. 28:37.35 Matthew But what? what what? What is it? What is he say about the the 1 thing like he's building a house in Ecuador by the same architect and he was looking for Randall to be his musician for that one in this and that and ah he says there is no accounting for taste. So it means that just money is not a thing to him and as long as he's enjoying it. He will do it and as soon as he's not it's over he. He's bored. He's bored and Randall like put puts a yeah exactly and randall puts a pin in it when he says when he's describing. 29:00.91 Dave Um, you know he's bored. He's he's done everything you could probably hedonistically. Do. 29:14.50 Matthew Ah, like where he is in his process and he says there's a void in me I can't fill and if you've ever like been around addicts in your life or things like that. Um, that is the thing that gets said ah it is like. There is like this itch you can't scratch anymore and you always know what's there and it will always be there. Ah but you you need you know you need to learn to make peace with that and that I think that that comes up in a ah, big bad way later on, especially with Randall who once he is. Off the wagon. He's off the wagon for good. But yeah, exactly like like Lionel's a heedonist who cannot get enough. Ah and and he has this this thing to show off. Um they they do a lot of coke the music changes a lot lionel has ah. Like an 8 track shuffling system with this like ah battlear Galactica as yeah thing that he knows which light to push um which can also play what a fool believes for some reason I don't I don't know what's going on with this thing but he like. 30:13.47 Dave With no labels. Yeah guys you don't need them if you're. 30:28.97 Dave Um, the laugh track is the worst It's I mean it it works but it's just like like what a douche bag just dude. It's. 30:29.50 Matthew Plays like the laugh track was bad um the cheering was good. Yeah. 30:41.47 Matthew It was so cutting it was so cutting. Yeah, um, yeah, so they have just you know it's it's it's a really weird tense time at first. 30:46.64 Dave Oh. 30:53.84 Matthew And yeah Lionel has gathered all these people together and you figure out that you know 2 of them are in the humanities one plays musical and writes and 2 of them are in the sciences. Ah trag he's got a ah tra or trog tard Jesus tarred man. 31:08.32 Dave Targ. 31:10.90 Matthew Ah, targ is like actually running a study on psychics and our astrophysicist is writing a paper on panspermia which is the theory that life on earth was seeded by the cosmos something landed in a comet. And that seeded life on earth which means that similar life could have been seeded elsewhere. Um, ah, pan's memory at the time that this came out like as in like when this is set in the 70 s or late 70 s anyway. Um, was kind of laughed at. 31:44.73 Dave Um, yeah, 79 yeah which is probably why she's on her late night radio show. 31:47.10 Matthew Then? um, they're like that. There's exactly right? She's she's just as hokey as the rest of them. It's like what are you doing Now. It's kind of people have been taking a little bit more seriously. Um, but again who knows there's. Not been proof Either way. 32:04.41 Dave No, just that we're finding we're we're able to get samples and find microbes on things. 32:12.26 Matthew Yeah, yeah, um, but ah after this ah cocaine party goes on for a while and ah Randall's having a great time with that huge like it's like ah ah one of those I like. Those urns that you keep curmaines in that's how much cocaine they've got um I just it's just so funny. How much cocaine is it. Ah, they get invited to the the chamber oh for a second we see 2 artifacts on the wall 1 comes back. 32:30.32 Dave Um, yeah. 32:46.44 Matthew Ah, one is a gold plated a k 47 um that is Hector's story to tell and we pan over to Hector who's been getting further and further away every time we see him for some reason. Ah and he looks at the gun and he just starts crying and I'm just like. 32:47.20 Leonard Um. 33:03.84 Dave Um, it's 1 tier. It's so good. 33:04.22 Leonard Yeah, yeah. 33:05.69 Matthew Oh it's so good like I I want to just hang out with hector. He's he reminds me of like Brock Sampson like you know he's flashing back to something awful. Yeah. 33:11.90 Dave Um, yeah, he's he seemed like a real chill dude like this dude he he lucked into a good gig. He seems like a solid guy. He's trying to he tries to do his best. 33:22.19 Matthew Right? And ah I really think the reason for this tier is ah that gun is there because he wanted the best gun to take care of whatever happens in the next room he asked Lionel he's like if you want me to be your bodyguard. And you don't know what's going to happen I need the best gun you can get me at Lionel of course being a hedonistic idiot gets him a gold plated a k and puts it on the wall and Hector knows when he stares at that gun that someday he may have to shoot his boss. 33:54.22 Dave Um, I feel like also he may have murdered a lot of people I mean you have to look at um so the the other thing is um Dr. Zara was the. 33:57.69 Matthew Yeah. 34:08.99 Matthew Um, oh right? Yeah, we took it off he yeah. 34:09.68 Dave Attendant to um, ah Momar Gaddafi and so they ask about that and it's like that's the most I mean it's ninety seventy nine and they're just like so what's to do how you know how? how is he she just goes off on like yeah yeah, he's um. 34:11.10 Leonard Yes. 34:19.53 Matthew Um. 34:24.69 Matthew Think well. 34:28.99 Dave Like probably worse than you heard and it's terrible. 34:32.96 Matthew Which is which is it's strange I've heard ah 2 stories about Gaddafi. Um, you know there is the western story of him being this, you know a warlord who like just murdered everything in sight. Ruled with an iron fist and then I've heard stories from people who say that he was actually a very good force. Ah at the time and it was because of western influencing and meddling. That he had to become that person and that eventually just went nuts I don't know if you guys remember all the news stories about gadafi towards the end of his life about like the high end fashion that he wore and just he really went off the deep end and did some crazy stuff. Um. 35:18.82 Dave Yeah, it's that was just in the at the edge of like probably me being aware of that like I was just old enough. 35:25.97 Matthew Yeah, yeah, but apparently towards at the beginning of his political careers. You know again, accounts differ all over the place. He was kind of like a man of the people thing but that's how all dictators start out so hard to say. 35:25.97 Leonard The right? yeah. 35:43.62 Dave Um, yeah. 35:44.93 Matthew Not being there myself. But yeah, so her flashback is definitely like yeah I've seen so much death and I have dodged so many bullets. So yeah between her and hector. Um, they probably have seen some some terrible terrible things. And have been collected by this collector vinyl who collects people just like yeah exactly yeah. 36:03.97 Dave Yeah, like he's not collecting hector for no reason like. 36:08.59 Leonard I honestly I when with the single tear I was like oh you used to be like a you used to be like a drug King Pin you used to like run an organization at 1 point and you did some you did some right and you did some. 36:21.30 Dave Um, that that's what I was thinking I was like he's just down in like Colombia or something. 36:25.76 Matthew Oh man I thought like fortunate son was playing in his head as like the chopper was leaving Nam or whatever like yeah, it's a great shirt. So good. Um. 36:27.43 Leonard Dank nonsense I. 36:32.64 Dave Yeah, something this something went down with his dude um and he has like the best shirt love his shirt. 36:38.34 Leonard Yep. 36:43.31 Leonard Oh the other reason the other reason why I actually thought that about hector was ah because he is so far removed from everything that's going on in the conversation pit like he is. He's he's seen it and he's done with it and he's. 36:43.54 Matthew Anyway, yeah. 36:59.18 Leonard Just there to like protect his boss non engaged not like Dr Zara ah he's just like I like actually like I I've put this old life behind me and this is what I do now. 37:15.90 Dave Boy he takes his job like extremely seriously. 37:17.72 Matthew Um, yeah, yeah, good a good employee employee of the month good to have hector. Um, we get another one of these wonderful like long hallway Kubrick style shots. 37:18.94 Leonard Right. 37:33.93 Matthew Um, as they go into the ah obelisk chamber here. Um, and ah they are um, does this thing rise out of the ground or it's it's right there in front of them I can't remember how this thing is revealed but um, yeah. 37:49.67 Dave Um I think something raises up, it's it's it's revealed in some fashion. 37:53.50 Matthew It's like it's revealed. Oh yeah, it's in a column of light. It's um, ah it's an asteroid but it also like definitely looks organic. Ah it's. 38:06.43 Dave Um, it's symmetrical and that's never a good sign. 38:06.90 Leonard Right. 38:08.98 Matthew Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right? Yeah ah Pattern Recognition is why we as a species have been able to do so much and recognizing a threat of something from space being symmetrical would have been a good instinct here. Um. 38:28.41 Matthew Immediately Charlotte's like hey have you done this have you x-rayed it have you put in a faraday cage have you done this have you done that and Lionel's like yeah we we did everything we already did all the science to it. Um I brought you guys here because well the 2 scientists that he brought one of them is the version panspermia. So maybe she has insights onto an asteroid that brings life and the other one is ah ostensibly a psychic researcher. So maybe he could reach out and then the humanities are there to maybe you know contact it talk to it understand its language do some arrival shit. Who knows? um, but that importantly, the room to this the door to this room locks and it's like like a vault door. Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry I heard somebody start there. 39:20.54 Leonard Oh I was I was I was just going to say so ah you mentioned that you didn't think that targ was a ah fraud. Um and his question de Lionel which is have you had any psychics like examine it. And Lionel's like yeah, that's why you're here I'm like sounds a little fraughty to me might do. 39:42.58 Matthew It's never really like laid out until yeah. 39:44.69 Dave Um, that so he he's yeah I was say he's riffing on. Um I don't know I just blanked out um or Yeller I mean he literally was being called a bending spoon bending guy. 39:53.64 Leonard Absolutely. 39:56.28 Matthew Yeah, oh exactly? Yes, that's that's that's the archetype. Yeah, because even ah, yeah, Steve age's character who I'm not going to remember his name. It's like the tenth time guyland and ah yeah, says don't give some spoons to bend. 40:02.48 Dave Yeah. 40:12.65 Matthew Yeah, he says that to him. 40:13.24 Dave Um, yeah, so I I think that targ is the real deal and Lionel was like I've you know I tracked down the one dude that probably's legit. 40:26.70 Matthew Oh. 40:28.81 Dave Because everyone else is like you. You're not being taken seriously. But that doesn't mean you what you have is not real. 40:28.98 Leonard That's fair. 40:32.98 Leonard Right. 40:35.23 Matthew Right? Yeah, um, we get some great Eric Andre comedy here where he lights up a cigarette vinyl's like hey man no smoking the ophilus room. He's like yeah yeah, no problem the problem he puts it out and then like a minute later lights up a joint and he goes hey I sit no smoking and he goes. 40:43.39 Dave Dies. 40:52.00 Leonard Um, yeah. 40:52.36 Matthew You didn't say Jay's which is it's not a cigarette man chill out. Yeah, and so Randall's like off off the wagon entirely. He's like you know, got wild cocaine eyes. Um, he's trying to come down with either a cigarette or a joint. 40:54.27 Dave Is just a Ja It's not not a cigarette not smoking. Yeah. 41:11.91 Matthew Um, it's ah it's not good. Um, everyone's kind of you know, looking around at this at this comment thing Charlotte's making a lot of observations about it. Um, and ah then um. 41:30.20 Matthew Ah, we yeah, ah, let's see here. Oh yeah, after the J gets lit um some smoke goes into this ah into the comet and it gets sucked right in. So obviously this thing's been breathing if it just gets sucked in or or what I don't know. 41:38.82 Leonard Yeah. 41:39.36 Dave Um, it gets like sucked in I go but through a vent. 41:49.12 Matthew But the way I choose to interpret the scene is everybody else had their consciousness opened by ah you know smoking and drinking and doing Coke and they opened the consciousness of this dormant creature by just hotboxing it. 42:06.79 Leonard So I will I will say that like given the very in shot of of of this episode and this is you know this is just my read I think this thing was. 42:07.68 Matthew Ah, so ah, yeah, go ahead man. 42:22.88 Leonard Just literally activated like awoken by so smoke in general because there's that that there's something very prominent about the in shot of this. 42:32.24 Matthew Um, oh yeah. 42:40.45 Leonard And and this creature's like abilities that I'm just like oh it. It was literally like oh it was just smoke and like things are going to get real bad for everyone now based on that in thing shot. 42:55.30 Matthew Right? Because what better way to know that a planet is civilized than its pollution that that is good I like that connection. That's really good. Yeah, um, so ah, the rock breaks Randall's very sorry he broke his rock. Um, there is this like ah ah, orange gooey duck looking alien inside there that has these 2 like tendril horns that start growing out of it. Um, and. It's just sort of like this horrifying scene of this gelatinous thing taking shape. Um, we got a wonderful cut. Yeah is it sonic or psychic I'm not sure. Yeah. 43:33.15 Dave So it wouldn't be that bad but you're being sonically bombarded by like this wine. Well, it's psychic. But I mean we're the viewer is getting the blast of like audio. 43:38.58 Leonard Yeah, yeah. 43:48.20 Matthew Yeah, which is for such an audio heavyavy episode where all the music is like super important and stuff when this screeching starts happen it it it really really really like is obvious and ah made more so than when it cuts out to hector listening to what a fool believes. On the wonderful 8 trax system sitting in the conversation pit by himself I know it sucks. 44:09.80 Leonard The fifth. 44:09.86 Dave He only got to play after a couple like like a line. 44:16.42 Leonard No, it didn't even get to it didn't even get to the lyrics. It was just the opening instrument. Ah. 44:22.82 Matthew It really was yeah and then ah cuts back into the obelisk chamber um, where the first person to try to reach out is targ ah, the psychic who makes too much of a connection. Ah, he becomes too fluid ah is too flexible and just melts just his whole face melts. Ah, ah, he gets he gets raidered. Yeah, everybody gets different horror movie head explode melt type in this It's really good. He gets raidered Steve a g. 44:46.97 Dave Um, he gets he gets raidered raider lost. Arc. 44:54.96 Leonard Yep yep. 44:56.59 Dave Um, yeah. 44:57.35 Matthew Get scanners to pretty good because he is again like the Rigid character he is once he has decided on something. It is a rigid thought and because of that inflexibility instead of melting he explodes he just shatters. Um, it's probing me. Yeah. 45:09.96 Dave After he screams it's probing me. 45:11.94 Leonard Yep, proving me. 45:16.36 Matthew It's looking for something. It can connect with um, ah Zara walks up and just sticks her hand into the thing. Um, but I think that her it's hard to tell like. Wear on this I mean it's more on the face melty I'm too connected. Yeah, she's into sensation. 45:37.55 Dave Um, she's in the sensation like she's That's just her vibe like everything she does is very calculated very slow but she's like. 45:42.79 Matthew Yeah. Are. 45:53.67 Dave She's not grinning but she's like excited all the time even when she's just being kind of quiet. 45:56.58 Leonard Yes. 45:59.70 Matthew Um, yeah, but this thing decides it is not she is not compatible. There's there's something that is broken in her and it just melts her down. Um, Randall and Charlotte are like freaking out and pounding on the door Lionel is knocked over on the ground. Um, ah they get the door open at this point I believe and um, ah. Randall and Charlotte run out while Lionel is being overtaken by this orange goo monster. Um, he like has every opportunity to get up and go he is not injured. He is not being held. That's yeah. 46:48.54 Dave Ah, he's not very like he's pretty infirm like I don't think he can you know motor around very well and he probably broke something when he fell. 46:53.18 Matthew Yeah, spry. 46:57.32 Matthew Yeah, but um, there is no chase there is nothing it just envelops him and covers his face and hybridizes it sort of uses his body as its transport and creates this. Just. Wonderful practical monster. This thing is so cool it like stretches out his fingers Super long. It adds like all these layers of skin and these tentacles coming out of his shoulder blades. His lips are drawn Back. So It's got like nemesis lips and Teeth. Ah, it's ah. 47:30.59 Dave no eyelids it's it's like yeah no nose no external like sticking out the only things sticking out are the 2 horn that went from its head to its like shoulders. 47:34.30 Matthew No no eyelids. Yeah. 47:46.22 Matthew Yeah, which like you can't tell if they're horns or tentacles or they're they're cool, right? Yeah um, ah. 47:49.76 Dave There's some sort of weird pseudopod thing with yeah, they're gross. It's gross looking. 48:00.30 Matthew Charlotte and Randall are trying to get the hell out of there but Randall can't like quit the cocaine. He's like trying to grab all the drugs he can to leave and whatever yeah, because like again he just he's off like this is about like you can't you cannot quit your obsession. 48:06.52 Dave It's tried to grab the whole the urn. 48:09.69 Leonard Um, this is. 48:18.69 Matthew Everything here is obsessed everything needs to to have the thing that fills the void including this this creature um hector realizes this is the time that he needs to use that gun. Ah, and unfortunately the golden gun does not do what it does in the double 7 video game. 48:38.38 Matthew And Hector gets got pretty good. Um, he gets electro shocked which is like yeah it reminds me of the I think they're called corals in the final fantasy games. They're the cats that have like tentacles that shoot lightning. Yeah. 48:41.80 Dave Yeah, he gets electro Shocked Electro Electro melted. It's. 48:45.79 Leonard Yeah. 48:55.19 Leonard Yeah, yeah. 48:56.27 Dave Um, now yeah. 48:58.58 Matthew Um, yeah, he he gets done by 1 of that. Um Charlotte and ah Randall get in a car and do some initial d driving out of there with the nice trailing tail lights I don't know if that is just a stylistic choice or if that's to symbolize that the. The acid or lsd that they did. Yeah. 49:19.34 Dave it's it's stylistic um so everything in the entire film like if if there's a light source. It's lens flaering like perpetually and like the probably the best example is when they first ah Randall uses lighter. 49:27.75 Matthew Ah, yeah. 49:34.41 Matthew Yeah, that's right. 49:36.18 Dave And when the flame comes up it like you know it's launching out like flair like lens flays. 49:42.60 Matthew Yeah, and that is a thing that happens when you're on acid like lights lights stay for too long. Yeah from the get. Yeah and um, they just get away and that's kind of it. 49:45.85 Dave Yeah, they have that kind of handle but mean the whole do the movie's been doing that from like the get go. It doesn't not have that. 49:59.50 Matthew They're just like now what and Randall's got you know a face full of coke and blood and Charlotte's got a bloody nose and they're just they've gotten away and ah we cut back to this monster that has now ah he he goes outside and then. He goes into a sewer grade and then just kind of that's it gets upset right? because he's still in there like yeah yeah, um, and then he goes through. 50:18.90 Dave Well so he sees himself in a retaining pond first and then like gets upset. Yeah still Lionel he just has like a outer body that's moving him like a puppet. 50:38.44 Matthew A sewer system and ends up out is this is this supposed to be the L a River he walks out on. Yeah yeah, anytime you see one of those big concrete canals I'm like is this the a River right? Um, and yeah, and then. 50:42.75 Dave I Think so. 50:43.54 Leonard Yeah I'm I'm going to guess yes on that one. 50:57.71 Matthew You see it kind of zooms out. He's affecting the power everywhere. It's kind of flickering in and out this huge smog filled city which again I guess if the smoke is a is a thing. Um, then this is the place to be but. 51:11.25 Leonard There are literally like 5 smokestacks spewing pollution into the atmosphere and it's like the haziest grossest like 90 s. 51:15.99 Matthew Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 51:25.72 Leonard Like l a set 90 s like it's falling down without all of the red filter the orange filter. Yeah, and I'm just yes so I was just like oh it's like this is bad. 51:31.96 Matthew Ah, so yeah, the shit hole filter on everything. Yes, yeah, that's true. 51:43.27 Leonard This is actually really really bad because I think that this thing just literally feeds and powers itself off of pollution. 51:51.47 Matthew Yeah, Well if you think like ah the last time a comet that if it was a panspermmia comet landed. It would have been during like the comets winter where the sky was choked black with smoke. And whatever and that gave rise to us. Maybe this is just the next thing that has landed and will be the new dominant species. Um, yeah, but ah, that is the viewing. Um on. Ah yeah, like I said on on. 52:06.11 Leonard Um, ah. 52:24.43 Matthew Second viewing for me, it was ah it it revealed a lot more to me in the characters and in the story it was telling about I don't know there. There was a lot of themes. Um, but the theme of like being an obsessive or. Ah, being an addict for for whatever reason was just pretty dense in this one and I don't I like this one a lot. 52:54.10 Dave Um, yeah, this one's a lot of fun and I and I think again if um, some some like themes. But definitely the cinematography and the um soundtrack if that's your thing. 53:12.17 Dave Wash Beyond the black rainbow like it's it's that like distilled like it's his first film and it's it's perfect in in Trans like transmitting like these kind of things and it's also um, it's anti. 53:18.63 Matthew Um, yeah. 53:32.13 Dave Ah, kind of anti- Boomer generation like it's it's taking a very like negative look at um, not not the new age from and in particular but what was promised to people and like. 53:46.31 Matthew Oh. 53:49.00 Dave What that Actually what happens when you get a solution to something or what you think is a solution and you just you go all in on it. But it's actually a bad thing like the thing that you're doing is is ruining other people at at like. And there it's at everyone else's expense and it's profiting you. It's some yeah, there's there's some body horror going On. It's a lot of weird stuff. But yeah, definitely like it. It works with this like watch those too And okay, yes, you can see what he's doing with this. 54:10.82 Matthew Um, you had me at you had me at Anti Boomer man. Ah, that's um. 54:16.68 Leonard Um. 54:23.14 Matthew All right I am onboard fantastic. 54:28.80 Leonard Um, and as for me like I said I think I'm already Vo I Once again this this episode for me is a lot about vibe. Definitely the cinematography art direction. Um, the I Love. The the ending It's pretty wild. Um at but like that for me personally it it. My issue is is is like I stated it just feels like a rich asshole invited a bunch of. 54:59.89 Matthew And. 55:03.65 Leonard Like past the slightly past their prime people to like get something out of them for his pleasure which is like the entertaining aspect of it and hopefully figure out what this this meteorite is and I'm not saying that. That's a bad thing. But um, it's ah like my read on it is is completely different ah from from um the one that you presented but I do actually really appreciate. Um, having this like alternate view of. Oh yeah, maybe it isn't like just navel gazy nonsense and that there's there's actually some like depth to it and I also think that maybe it's deliberately framed. Um framed and told the way that it is. For people to interpret in different ways because I don't think it's that wild for me too. Ah, my interpretation is that much wilder than than yours Matt. 56:10.46 Matthew Yeah, yeah, and that's what I think I liked about a lot of episodes in this miniseries was nothing ah not a lot of them had like neat bows at the end. Um like I Love when something is open for interpretation. Because then you get to have these conversations afterwards where you're like how did you interpret this. How did you see this? How did you see this and and you get to kind of like art art shouldn't be solved ever like that's not a that's not a thing people should ever try to do. 56:38.18 Leonard Texas. 56:43.45 Matthew That's you know that's like the Cinema sensing of the world which is awful. Um, but it should be interpreted because art is ultimately how it is viewed and so yeah I Totally agree with you and like you know, ah it is up for interpretation and I think that's I think that's the best part of this. 56:59.73 Leonard Yes. 57:03.67 Matthew Yeah, and moving on to something else that is I guess a little more straightforward. There is interpreting to be done here. Ah but our second feature is the murmuring and Leonard. You're taking this one have at it. 57:20.30 Leonard Yes, ah, yes, the murmuring is set in 1951 with nant ah Nancy and Egger Ah Bradley two ornithologists who start study Bird Murmurations which is ah what is that? That's the act of birds flocking together and ah patterns in the sky. Ah, um, and you know, um, it's kind of ah it's it's the air equivalent of when you see schools of fish. 57:52.20 Dave Yeah, yeah. 57:52.47 Leonard Tiny fish but um, ah so they are presenting ah their latest findings at Cambridge University um they um, everybody loves it. Um, there is talk of. 57:52.60 Matthew Um, yeah, yeah, it's it's kind of the same thing. Yeah. 58:12.39 Leonard Their recently deceased daughter Ava. Um, which ah Nancy hasn't um, fully yeah I was gonna say fully processed yet. Yeah, that's that's that's fair. 58:23.91 Dave Processed I don't think she's processed it much at all. 58:25.75 Matthew Go. 58:32.90 Leonard Ah, so ah, but hey work has to go on. Ah, they ah go to a remote country home. Ah to ah continue their studies get away from you know the the world and hopefully resolve their grief. Ah, and ah Nancy begins ah hearing um, weird things on her real to real take player. Also I just want to ah quick caveat. Ah, once again this this one is ah this this. Episode is gorgeous and its set design is immaculate and so is like everything with its period ah like aesthetic ah love love that. Ah 1950 s look and I love it when set directors and ah Cruise. Ah, really. 59:12.53 Matthew Oh yeah. 59:29.48 Leonard Um, go hard on making it look period Accurate I'm gonna actually. 59:36.37 Matthew Especially the audio visual equipment that they're using ah like I don't know how many of these are actually restored antiques or if the props department is just amazing, but especially those motorola 6 Volt battery radio systems that they use just gorgeous gorgeous things 59:56.33 Leonard Yeah, the the yeah the the the radios and that real to real tape player because as a man who ah who also owns a not nearly as nice real to real tape player I Appreciate a good real to real tape player. 01:00:02.21 Matthew He. 01:00:14.28 Leonard Um, um so ah Nancy ah begins hearing ah weird things on there on her reel to reel ah with the murmurations of I can. 01:00:22.37 Matthew Mother works. 01:00:28.87 Leonard Does anyone remember what specific type of bird not that it matters. 01:00:31.84 Dave Oh yeah, the little guy. 01:00:33.51 Matthew Oh it's a type of waiter. Um, it is called a give me one second a dunlin um. 01:00:41.58 Leonard There we go. 01:00:43.80 Dave Yep. 01:00:44.94 Matthew Thought they were plovers at first which is a different kind of bird that has cute little long legs. But no, they're waiter birds. Um, and ah yeah, ah, they're they're they're cute little guys. Yeah. 01:00:59.59 Leonard Um, they are. They're adorable. Ah, they ah take up a roost in the home that has been prepared for them. It has ah stood empty for years. Ah, mother and son used to live there until something happened. Um, which is the mother unfortunately drowned her child. Ah and ah as you as as I've established. With weird sounds and ghostly visions. Ah this is just a very classic ghost story. Ah, but it is kind of um, tied together with this meditation on Nancy and egger's grief over the loss of. Ah, their child. Ah, once again, Nancy has it processed that egger has to some extent but has found her lack of process. Ah difficult. Ah, she doesn't want to be intimate ah with him because that that obviously makes sense. Um, and it just actually feels like this vacation away this trip to get away from it all and hopefully resolves it resolve. What's what's going on between the 2 of them is is the worst idea because Edgar has also paired it with her work. Um. 01:02:22.53 Matthew Are. 01:02:23.70 Dave Um, and yeah, that's ah the larger issue is all part of the larger. Not the whole thing but Edgar. Yeah, he's he's dealing with his grief but his way to do that was throw himself into his work and he expected that. 01:02:24.49 Leonard As Nancy. Ah oh go on dick. 01:02:38.43 Matthew This is. 01:02:38.58 Leonard Right. 01:02:41.67 Dave His wife would do the same but then still like have you use that to process it and she didn't. 01:02:45.55 Matthew Right? Well his work gets recognized. You know it's shown at the beginning that she was the one who was like responsible for you know the beginnings of their studies at Cornell and all this other stuff and all the guys just wanted to talk to him and not to her about it. 01:03:00.90 Leonard Right. 01:03:05.14 Matthew And so like indirect. Yeah yeah, so if you throw yourself into your work and you reap rewards and your colleagues acknowledge you and whatever Maybe you can find some solace they're like oh I'm actually being productive and doing some good. 01:03:05.18 Dave Yeah, or they talk to her but it's like in not um, like she's just set dressing and not a scientist. Ah. 01:03:24.72 Matthew But um, yeah, she can't find that yeah she does. 01:03:25.26 Dave Yeah, no I mean she calls him out on that she's like I'm I'm I'm frustrated because I work 2 3 times as hard as any any of those other like stuffed suits. Um that we deal with and. 01:03:37.70 Matthew Glad around thinking that they're God yeah. 01:03:43.80 Dave I get nothing and you got a fancy camera like I mean that's not they don't they don't care about the camera. But though yeah, that whole point of her just not being acknowledged and he's not really helping with that. 01:03:47.00 Matthew Um. 01:03:49.10 Leonard I I. 01:04:01.27 Dave Because he's just like what's the problem. We got all this cool stuff like we're doing work and they're giving us things they're like they're giving you things and I'm just here along for the ride. 01:04:03.55 Matthew Yeah, a week paid work vacation. 01:04:10.37 Leonard Ah, although I I will I will say this about and and it it is shown that he does it like it's not a very powerful attempt but he does actually tell all of the men that are grouped around him after their presentation. That they should be giving her a lot more like all of the credit for it like he he's aware. 01:04:33.70 Matthew Um, yeah, oh he acknowledges her? Yeah, he acknowledges her? Genius yeah. 01:04:36.22 Dave Yeah, yeah, but he's not really like that's like the least you could do to help out you know and it's academia. So it's all a bunch of bullshit anyway. So. 01:04:45.51 Leonard Right? Yes, yes, it is but it it it right. 01:04:53.26 Matthew Um, ah yeah. 01:04:54.40 Dave That's not making it easier and it's 9051 so there we go. 01:04:58.87 Leonard Yeah, um, but yeah, Nancy's starting to experience a ah audio visual hallucination. She hears a little boy crying she hears the screaming of a woman. Um. Edgar is not taking any of this Well she starts investigating the um the belongings of of the um, ah woman and child who once lived in the house and discovers that ah her I believe it was plaudette. Ah. Was um, actually like ah involved with a married man who had gone away to the war and said that when he came back. He would be with her. However, ah he then reneged on that and went back to his wife. And ah claudette being um, unwed and pregnant was ah shuffled off to this sad Lonely Island ah where ah she was forced to raise her child alone. Um, and. Desperately wanted. Ah the freedom ah to do as she pleased which was something which is something that Nancy always says when asked why she is fascinated with with birds and and their their murmurings. Um. 01:06:27.44 Leonard And it Nancy and negger have multiple fights over the course of this because there's a lot of strain and pressure on their marriage on their work. Ah, and of course with the haunting going on. We. Ah, it eventually comes to the head when ah Nancy ah fully encounters the ghost boy who believes that his mother is angry at him. Ah, and ah Nancy helps him pass on ah and then witnesses Claudette. Ah. Ah, realize ah because Claudette during this entire time has appeared screaming. What have you done? Ah, but that wasn't in relation to her son. It was in relation to ah the murder throw herself out of the ah top. They're barn doors. What did I are french doors on the top. 01:07:26.58 Matthew Yeah french storage. It's a ah, it's a new england thing they're up in Nova Scotia um there are things called widows walks where I think I think this one has fallen off. Um, but it's a very very small porch at the top of your house. 01:07:34.41 Leonard A. 01:07:41.30 Leonard Okay. 01:07:44.29 Matthew You would go out and you would wait for ships to return which hopefully carried your husband home with them. They always face the sea. Um, this has been remodeled or whatever and the walk has been removed but the French stores are still there. They call them widows walks because women would be standing out there waiting for their husband to come back from the sea and they may never. 01:07:45.82 Leonard Oh. 01:08:03.22 Leonard Right. 01:08:03.84 Matthew Coming back. So um, yeah, but that that that is a new England thing. Um. 01:08:10.91 Leonard Yeah, because I was like I was I yeah because it's it's it's similar to a balcony and I was like that's very bizarre that there are French doors there but there's nothing but though given the state of the house That's not surprising that it may have. 01:08:21.45 Matthew Is is. 01:08:28.96 Leonard Been removed or have fallen into disrepair at this point. Um, needless to say ah, ah well not needless to say Nancy witnesses Claudette kill herself. Ah, and then is finally able to process the. 01:08:32.93 Matthew Um. 01:08:48.60 Leonard Death of her daughter and and attempt to reconcile with her husband think that I was I was just doing a quick summary so we could you know talk about the individual points. Ah afterwards. 01:08:55.47 Matthew Yeah. 01:09:04.47 Matthew Sure, Yeah, well, that's the thing this this story is it's like it is It is just that it is. It is a very cut and dry straight and align these things happen. Um, unlike our last story which is just kind of everything's a weird. 01:09:06.23 Leonard Um. 01:09:20.75 Matthew Single conversation that bleeds everywhere. Um I was a little upset that the ah the chehov's gun of bird telepathy was never fired. She says bird telepathy at the beginning of this episode I'm like oh man this is gonna rule. This's gonna be this gonna be like the birds. 01:09:25.22 Leonard Um, so. 01:09:39.80 Matthew They're going to be all like talking to each other and it's gonna be great now that never happens so I just want to get that right out of the way on front street that a bird telepathy movie needs to be made. 01:09:47.99 Leonard Um, the. 01:09:49.60 Dave I was all set up expecting this to be like bird box and I was pleasantly surprised. It wasn't like bird box. 01:09:55.69 Leonard Assistance. 01:09:57.51 Matthew Yeah, yeah I like the evp that's kind of a fun like real life ghost hunter thing that they threw in this for some reason um, having the audio of ghosts and stuff. 01:10:09.60 Dave Um, I yeah I don't like that it it captured on the reel she listened to it a bunch and then it doesn't appear when Edgar's listening to it I think I don't like that because then it it feeds into him just like. 01:10:17.23 Matthew Is. 01:10:25.92 Dave Gaslighting her saying oh you haven't slept for a year and and she granted she is sleep deprived. She's just nodding off in the middle of her day because she just yeah yeah, no I mean like I mean she but it's been before this. She just doesn't she has trouble sleeping. 01:10:31.11 Matthew Um, yeah, well there's ah, there's a whole dang ghost boy in her room like. 01:10:41.44 Matthew Um, yeah. 01:10:44.50 Dave And then she gets further upset because he just like passes out and is just snoring and that's not helping um because she's still she's still in this relationship. She still wants that what they had before um but is kind of is. Duck because she's not you know, fully processing what happened and she's even like when there's noises or something weird's going on. She'll like I'll just check it out myself but she also does like hey come come with me like this is spooky. Um, but then when he is always asleep or something. She's just like forget it I'll just go. It. Myself must be nice to just be able to evolve sleep like that. 01:11:24.63 Matthew Now Yeah, this it. Yeah, it's be great. Ah,, there's a certain point in this in this ah installment that I was just like I'm done with the jump scares in this I feel like they kind of started detracting. From the story that they were trying to tell um because it happens a lot like the first ones are great. The the clattering the little pitter pattter of ghost baby feet all over the house like that's stuff very good, very creepy very evocative the slamming on the door when she's taking a bath. 01:11:46.44 Dave Yeah. 01:12:01.37 Matthew Very good I'd like that a lot but like I think at one point she's upstairs watching the birds in the doors blast open or something and I was just like okay all right I get it. There's ghosts. We've established the ghost make noise. 01:12:14.80 Dave Well, she keeps seeing the boy but it's like generally it's an outline it like a partial excuse me partial outline of him like by the doorway or crossing like just his shadow crossing the um in the hallway. 01:12:20.23 Matthew A. 01:12:31.73 Dave And it it. Yeah, it does that like too many times until finally oh you get like the others were It's like oh here's your you see your baby and then now there's a a little boy arm on your arm where it should not be and some of this stuff is a little bit. 01:12:34.39 Matthew Yeah. 01:12:52.41 Dave It's her processing things starting to like understand what she needs to do for herself and then a little bit like did that happen is she just having because then it makes her unreliable as far as the narration goes. Even though she's like the generally the Po E Character. So I think I didn't like that that she's she could be seeing things and it's like I I'd rather than just actually be ghosts even if they're a metaphor. 01:13:14.80 Matthew Ah. 01:13:26.32 Matthew Right? Which means that the if if it was real ghosts. They're bringing back the ghost of her baby just to say hi to her which that's a move. Um. 01:13:33.99 Dave Um, well I think that so that's the tough parks I Think some of it is her and some of it is the house because she needs that she doesn't need the house is providing that kind of lens. 01:13:39.66 Matthew Right. 01:13:51.87 Dave With which just for her to recontextualized what happened? Yeah, yes, it's okay, you can come out of the you don't have to be cold. You can come out into the light. You know you don't have to sit and and it's a whole case of like. 01:13:56.59 Matthew It's a group therapy house. Everybody's going to go through the dramas together. 01:14:02.78 Matthew Yeah. 01:14:11.43 Dave Blaming yourself like that's what this is It's her blaming herself her blaming her husband the boy blaming himself because he thinks he did something bad that his mother was upset with him and then the mother ah upset with herself the ghost mother. 01:14:14.10 Matthew Ah. 01:14:27.38 Dave Blaming herself but not able to like get that across to her child who's also there because ghost time they don't don't think they fully get to interact with each other or else this misunderstanding would have been cleared up there thirty years ago 01:14:37.30 Matthew Yeah. 01:14:43.58 Matthew I Know right? geez when he like runs out to the light and whatever and instantly just gets raptured right away I was like whoa that was really easy I know. 01:14:52.63 Dave Yeah I thought it was something bad because as soon as that happened the ghost Mom was like what have you done you freed the demon. You know that's what I was going with I was like oh no, that's a bad thing like wait. No no, that was good. It's just everyone's not on the same page. 01:14:57.39 Leonard That. 01:15:01.94 Matthew Um, yeah Pazuzu is out. 01:15:12.20 Dave And that that lack of communication on like kind of everybody's part is is what needs to be resolved Also like there's a lot of there's a lot of issues that everyone has here you know it's not just it's not just the getting over grief. It's like a whole. 01:15:18.91 Matthew Um, yeah, it. 01:15:31.68 Dave Ball of all of it like there's social things. There's stuff with their marriage. There's their their own interpersonal things. There's them helping each other at their job. It's It's a lot of stuff. This is not like a light subject at all. 01:15:50.40 Matthew What was the ah Del Toro movie with the with the ghost boy who had the bag on his head. Ah. 01:15:50.54 Dave Um. 01:15:57.20 Leonard Um, that was only yes, no it was the orphanage but he. 01:15:58.22 Dave Oh orphanage. No no I'm sorry um, not orphanage. Well so no, the orphanage is Del Toro He just prison. He just like produced it. He did um the um Devil's backbone is. 01:16:01.34 Matthew Yeah, it was the orphanage it. 01:16:07.00 Leonard For dued it. Yeah. 01:16:08.40 Matthew Okay, okay, yeah I'm thinking more of the orphanage in which it's It's a ghost story where the ghosts are like they're scary, but they're not malevolent like no one gets hurt at least. 01:16:14.29 Dave All kind of like this. Also yeah, it's it's similar. 01:16:23.96 Dave Um, yeah, yes, same thing with Devil's backbone yeah the the ghosts there are just like physically damaged. 01:16:27.20 Matthew I Think if the orphanji was like someone almost gets heard but it's not on purpose. Um, yeah, ah. 01:16:29.40 Leonard Yes. 01:16:38.89 Matthew Um, right? which seems really boring as as a ghost like I'm always dripy I'm always cold I Can only say I'm cold. Just yeah man. 01:16:39.10 Dave Like like they represent what they were when they died So it's just spooky. 01:16:49.28 Leonard I mean I mean would you call the waiting room in beetle Juice boring because that's the same that that's the same rule. 01:16:50.14 Dave I'm cold I'm it's dark. 01:16:57.90 Matthew Yeah, yeah I would it's true. Ah I don't think we survived that bus crash coach like just be a dumb football player for the rest of my life Sure I mean we. 01:16:59.35 Dave Yeah, you wanna meet the flat guy on the laundry line forever. 01:17:14.24 Matthew We all know why beetle just left there. Yeah, you had to it's maddening. Yeah for Eternity o. 01:17:18.36 Dave Um, no one wants to be stuck in ah at the dmb for ever. 01:17:23.75 Leonard My what? ah quick aside before we move away from from this bit though I given how beetle juice looks um, what happened to him. Thank you very much how did ah. 01:17:35.88 Matthew He has lacerations around his neck but it looks like he was also electrocuted. Yeah so I'm thinking either the chair or he was like hung or so something. 01:17:36.26 Dave It's a blow dryer accident. 01:17:40.27 Leonard Oh does he know. 01:17:50.91 Dave Um, multiple like they just couldn't get rid of this guy so they just. 01:17:53.67 Matthew Like he got he got Rasputin and they just like did everything to ah yeah I think he either got the electric chair or he was hung but he was definitely executed. 01:17:54.19 Leonard I was about to say he I was about to say he got Rats beat. 01:18:08.60 Leonard Um, so I read ah I know that you two are a little colder on this episode I like this one because it's just a very classic ask go story but I also really kind of appreciate this. Um, really kind of honest rumination about like like I like the performance of of ah both Essie Davis and Andrew Lincoln ah as this couple because it it feels real. It feels like. Like like if you divorce this from like the supernatural. This would just be a real bummer sad character piece and I kind of appreciate the combination of. 01:18:53.70 Matthew And so. 01:18:59.30 Leonard Like very classic maybe a little too classic ghost story with this like character study of of this couple that does still clearly love one another trying to manage this this. Trauma of losing a child. 01:19:20.24 Dave Um, yeah I mean as a characters it. It's great. It's they everyone does their job very well like these performances are like outstanding and they're selling it wholesale like perfectly. Um. 01:19:32.70 Matthew Um, yeah. 01:19:36.21 Dave What are you? 1 of the rough parts was when there's so many of them ah was when her husband Edgar Edgar yeah he's like okay, something's going on i'm. 01:19:44.49 Matthew Have your yeah. 01:19:44.54 Leonard Yes. 01:19:55.52 Dave I'm gonna you know so all sleep in here on the couch I'll give ah give us both some space. Um, unless you don't want me to like and then she's just like staring at him and he's just withering like ah. 01:20:07.70 Leonard Dear. 01:20:07.81 Matthew Is. 01:20:14.90 Dave I didn't I mean I guess. Okay yeah I guess I'll be in the car and then she tries to see in the morning she hears him get up and she's like oh I need to go talk to him like she's she understands like they both understand what they need to do is like sit down and talk about this. 01:20:30.93 Matthew Um, yeah, no, one's irrational here which yeah. 01:20:32.52 Dave Yeah, no I mean they're they're both smart and he he acknowledges that like he's not.. He's not the only thing is when he's like hey I know you haven't been sleeping. Um, So maybe you're just seeing things like don't do that. Ah. It's like yeah, you're you're being logical but not when someone's like very insistent On. No, we've been here for days and I I'm something's going on like I wouldn't be saying that like if I wasn't serious. You know, um and you tell me to you tell me to work. But if I'm if. 01:21:00.34 Matthew Um, yeah, and the only time he. 01:21:08.28 Dave Things are that off like how would I be doing my work then you know. 01:21:09.57 Matthew Right? The only time he really gets actually looped in on the paranormal. Whatever is I think like the second nigh second or something like that or is it the first night when the tape player turns on on its own and is like blaring static. 01:21:24.74 Dave Um, yeah. 01:21:28.21 Matthew Ah, because there's like the ghost nearby and it makes all that noise when the ghost is nearby and I thought that oh he's gonna be able to see more of this the more he sees tape and things like that. Um, but I think it's his like it's a story about how both of them are in denial. She. 01:21:36.68 Dave Yeah. 01:21:43.84 Dave Oh yeah, no, he's he's messed up too. He's through. 01:21:47.17 Matthew He Yeah, he's messed up too. But he's also denying seeing the things that she is seeing So maybe it's It's more yeah. 01:21:52.93 Dave Well yeah, he's holding so tightly on to his work and his science and everything else and he's just not receptive to it at all whereas she kind of came into this. 01:22:00.20 Matthew His. 01:22:05.64 Matthew Yeah. 01:22:12.79 Dave Like more raw with her emotion and and just just when they enter the house and ah like masterful having that horrendously red door because on um, all I'm thinking of is stupid um sense. But ah. 01:22:21.77 Matthew Yes. 01:22:21.99 Leonard Should thisist. 01:22:30.70 Matthew Um. 01:22:31.92 Dave Yeah, she goes up the stairs and sees like the photos and she's already like something this weird because the yeah the realtor or the dude that the landlord Yeah, he's like ah there was a lot of stuff here and it's just it's just me so I couldn't get everything out So I kind of just stuck some stuff up in the attic. 01:22:39.15 Matthew The caretaker. Yeah. 01:22:50.98 Dave Just kind of left some things around so you know no, don't don't worry about that. Just like do what you got to do? there's plenty of room and. 01:23:01.70 Matthew Which it I'm just thinking the red door comment. You just made just ah, part of me is think that's another new England thing. Um, it's ah it's kind of like a colonial version of the evil eye. 01:23:16.99 Dave Um. 01:23:17.30 Matthew It's supposed to keep the devil out if you paint your door red I think it comes from actually the um, what is what is the Jewish tradition of the lamb's blood on your door. Um, that's passover that's passover. Yeah, um, which that's coming up. 01:23:30.45 Dave Um, yeah, yeah. 01:23:31.74 Leonard Passover. 01:23:36.58 Matthew Um, yeah, so yeah, which is ironic because they're in they can't get out. So maybe the red door is ah holding them in. 01:23:48.90 Dave Yeah, that it that is pretty interesting. Um because it just stands out in every shot and they keep looking back at the house and I kept thinking Oh there's something in the window or you know they'll see something but they don't except for the birds. 01:23:59.42 Matthew Yeah, which again I wish these birds played a larger part in this I thought. 01:24:04.78 Dave Um, they they do in that they're like keeping the spirits company because they're not they like they they make a whole point of going. Um these little do whatever they did the doslings the little birds. 01:24:12.60 Matthew Yes. 01:24:22.98 Matthew Oh the done dulins. Yeah, Dulin's yeah 01:24:24.19 Dave Um, they're like they don't dulands like they don't Roos except above like shrub height or ah below shrub height like they there is no recorded occurrence of them being in like ah ah, a building. 01:24:31.15 Matthew A. 01:24:41.80 Matthew A. 01:24:44.70 Dave And this is like second floor roof like there's they're they're roosting on um like busted slats in the roof and the attic is kind of where the boy has kept himself and because that's where the mother jumped off the. 01:24:59.51 Matthew Right? They're playing the role that a crow would usually play that they're like yeah spirit fairs and at the end like when she finally is like I'm ready to talk and I'm letting these feelings go she gets like. 01:25:04.23 Dave Landing. Yeah yeah to to to Ferry the spirit. 01:25:18.63 Matthew Baptized by the murmuration and it kind of goes all over her. It maybe takes her grief with them or takes her whatever takes the spirit of her child home. Yeah, there's there's the symbolism there. 01:25:29.49 Dave Yeah, just her acceptance of like what happened like tend to to yeah there I mean the whole it's It's built into it because I mean they found the little um cross stitch that with the the mother like she's not releasing the little. 01:25:41.88 Matthew Um, yeah. 01:25:47.25 Dave Her knees but she's like being carried away by them like she wants to go with them rather? yeah. 01:25:51.14 Matthew Um, you know? Yeah yeah. 01:25:51.63 Leonard Right? I simply interpreted it it as like she will never actually be able to lift off the ground and fly like she wants to but this is the closest that she she'll ever get and. 01:26:08.23 Dave Yeah, she's well she lives here with these birds or she's vicariously watching them wheel and be in the sky. 01:26:10.35 Leonard And that's enough. 01:26:14.51 Matthew Now. 01:26:15.49 Leonard Oh yeah I I was I yeah, you're talking about Claudette but I'm I'm specifically talking about Nancy at the end when she has her little bird baptism like that is her? Yeah right. 01:26:26.42 Dave Um, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, well because they they happened to like back to back? Yeah, no, it's not a. It's not a bad movie I Just thought as a cap like a capstone to this whole cabinet. 01:26:30.33 Matthew Yeah. 01:26:43.30 Leonard Yeah. 01:26:45.63 Dave I I don't think it's the strongest one. However, it has a stronger like message. The other ones aren't like I don't know this may be more important of a message. Yeah, no, this is this is really straightforward. You don't have to like you're not digging around for this one. It's It's right there? Yeah whereas like the viewing you you're you're viewing the thing and it's like well this is. 01:27:01.60 Matthew Definitely more tangible of a message. There's less untangling you have to do with this one than you do with any of the others. Yeah yeah. 01:27:20.00 Matthew Yeah, it's also. 01:27:21.20 Dave Open to some interpretation because again, it's It's not ah, not really a character study but you have to study the characters like you have to see what's going on to um to you need to review it. 01:27:26.18 Matthew Yeah. 01:27:28.89 Leonard Um, yes. 01:27:31.15 Matthew Yeah, and then you got to decide who's viewing who at the end. Yeah, very good I'm sad that Cameron isn't here because I wanted to ask you guys not ranking of all of them because that would be crazy but what out of this series now that we're done with it. 01:27:34.96 Dave Um, yeah. 01:27:49.82 Matthew Ah, what your favorite installment was. 01:27:54.65 Leonard Oh I have absolutely all have a a top and a bottom and it is top is is the Autopsy um, and bottom is dreams of the which in the witch house. 01:28:04.35 Matthew Ah. 01:28:09.55 Matthew Ah, well Leonard we are kindred spheres because that is my that is my exact answer. Um I I just really autopsy was great I just I don't know just the character work in it was wonderful. The set design was wonderful just like the malevolence and loathing of the. 01:28:13.13 Leonard Um. 01:28:28.37 Matthew The antagonist was really good. Just yeah, it's just a really good creature story and like a good story of friendship and and like the fragility of human life just all that was great and then Rupert Grint throwing himself over pews. That's just the dumbest shit I've seen in a while. So but. 01:28:28.72 Leonard A. 01:28:37.27 Leonard Yes. 01:28:44.58 Leonard Um, ah nap. 01:28:48.57 Matthew Ah, yeah, ah Dave how are you man. 01:28:50.10 Dave Oh this is tougher. So I didn't even wasn't even able to watch Autopsy or the outside the outside I read the the book though and which was really good for the Autopsy and I you know I will eventually watch it because just um. 01:28:59.82 Matthew Ah. 01:29:05.93 Matthew Um, you you should? That's it's a it's a good one man. Yeah. 01:29:09.48 Dave Yeah, no I mean it it just the story was like yeah this is great and just from hearing that. Yeah, this is a faithful adaptation of it or really it was like a 1 to 1 like you probably be hard pressed to have a better adaptation of source material and that aside. 01:29:16.27 Matthew Ah. 01:29:20.97 Matthew A. 01:29:21.20 Leonard A 4 01:29:28.60 Dave Ah, man I I think I really dig like I thinking back on it. Um lot 36 ah I like that a lot with no pun intended. Um, it's. 01:29:38.72 Matthew Um, yeah. 01:29:46.11 Dave It's a smarmy character. It has it's maybe ah maybe a little long in the tooth like I don't know that it needed to be as long as it was even though that's one of the shorter ones because everything eventually became like an hour long I think that was like 45 minutes or so um, it had fun. 01:29:57.10 Matthew Yeah. 01:30:05.77 Dave Like occult leanings I wanted maybe more of the back half of the film but it it didn't really do jump scares. It had a fairly goodpacing you. You love to like have a protagonist slash antagonist that you disagree with but understand like you get what he's why he's doing what he's doing but you don't have to like him and so it still feels like oh a terrible person gets. 01:30:33.60 Matthew Um, yeah. 01:30:40.47 Dave Like a fate that's fitting to like how they've been living their life. Um, but the its top tier as far as like the creature was just really good design like I loved that like I think they just knocked it out of the product. That's probably. 01:30:52.24 Matthew Yeah, that was wonderful. 01:30:59.62 Dave So far without seeing the alien thing in Autopsy um, my favorite monster in this and and that's maybe I can't say I have a least favorite episode because the ones that I would put there are ones that really didn't have a kind of. We weren't a creature feature. Um yeah I think as a whole series. It's this was ah a lot of fun. Um, there's a lot to chew on and it's such a nice variety. Um, they kind of came in pairs for the most part of. 01:31:18.20 Matthew Are. 01:31:31.25 Matthew Yeah. 01:31:38.80 Dave As far as like theming it's concerned. Ah and I really like that it it still feels really curated. Um but also giving space to like a variety of directors and styles so you get a real good like. 01:31:54.86 Matthew Ah. 01:31:56.78 Dave Cross section of a bunch of different um older or up and coming like directors. 01:32:03.69 Matthew Yeah, yeah, there are some horror anthologies you watch that are it's like the same kind of thing over and over again. Um there was what is that I'm I'm blanking on titles tonight I apologize. 01:32:12.80 Dave Um. 01:32:19.53 Matthew But there was one that was Halloween themed. There was like a little boy with a pumpkin head. There was like a little red riding hood and werewolf. Yeah trick trick our tree. Yeah, that was a horror anthology that I was like after like watching all of them I was like those are all just kind of. 01:32:25.61 Dave Um, oh um, now now I've forgotten it yeah trick or treat. 01:32:26.52 Leonard The trick our treat. 01:32:37.65 Matthew Samey I mean the the werewolf one stuck out I think but the rest yeah that one was good but the rest of them were I was just kind of like ah you know take or leave. It's all right? but but this like you were right like it's it's disparate. Um, there are many different types of horror. Ah. 01:32:38.39 Dave That was good. 01:32:47.30 Dave Um, it's yeah. 01:32:57.33 Matthew You know from like the weird like internal cerebral like like the outside or like an actual creature horror like um lot 36 or yeah, the unknowable horror and just it's all it's all great. Um, that's that's probably why I'd like the series so much was every time you sat down, you got something new and from a new perspective and a new it just all felt fresh. Every single one of them felt very fresh and like that a lot. 01:33:28.00 Leonard To be perfectly. Honest I could I like I would be I wouldn't want it to turn into like a series but I would be totally okay if like this year and next year there were like. Was a new season like 8 run season or 8 episode run season of this with just different stories different directors like don't like stretch it out forever. But like I would like to have have this experience again of like anticipating like. 01:33:47.83 Matthew Um, yeah. 01:34:04.30 Leonard What new story I'm going to be told like in pairs again around halloween. 01:34:12.16 Matthew Um. 01:34:12.60 Dave Um, I think that would work. It's It's not something that hasn't cropped up before um I'm wary of it being because it's netflix. 01:34:24.67 Matthew Yeah, yep. 01:34:26.64 Dave And you can't bank on anything that was like oh this is doing really well then just disappears or it gets canceled. Um, but on that note like they did really well with several seasons of masses of horror. They weren't all winners but they were still fun and it was a bunch of different directors. Like it's just getting a chance to like strut their stuff or just have fun with the genre. Um, you get the same with the Vhs series which is I think it's on the fourth. Not really a season but the fourth like set of it. Um, and those some they a few of those bring back some of the same directors. 01:34:45.29 Matthew Yeah. 01:34:45.35 Leonard And. 01:34:56.89 Matthew Ah. 01:35:02.54 Dave Ah, but I do enjoy anthologies that are like bookended with a um like a framing narrative and then there's little stories like loosely connected if at all like running through the middle of it which is what what Vhs does in which that's kind of what trick or treat did too where there's a. 01:35:20.71 Matthew Yeah, no pumpkin head boy here. Yeah. 01:35:21.48 Dave Framing story of the um, the old Jack Lan kid yeah 01:35:27.27 Leonard Um, it's it's Sam Haim like actually Sam A. 01:35:36.22 Dave It is. It is the real sewayne. Yeah, um, yeah, this is a lot of fun I I enjoyed these I What I wish was that there was more ah accessible or even extant like source material to kind of compare. Between like the movies we got and then what they were based off of like I wish I had access to like the whatevers. The little novella that um, yalemo Datoro had written for lot 36 and the murmuring like the Murmurings moment in particular that one like I want to see like what it. 01:36:06.99 Matthew This is. 01:36:11.92 Dave There's no way that I don't feel like it's a 1 to 1 like whatever he had written probably didn't go exactly to the screen. 01:36:18.39 Matthew Yeah, that's another thing that Netflix lacks ah the the bummer with streaming services is you don't get special features as often as you would if you bought it on Dvd or whatever. 01:36:29.25 Leonard All right. 01:36:30.74 Dave Um, a um. 01:36:31.10 Matthew Um, I know if you search it out. You can find models of like all the puppets they use and all of these things or all the masks or ah stuff like that. But I think more behind the scenes stuff or like yeah more access to the literature or more access to the sources of the stuff. 01:36:43.29 Dave Yeah I mean if you're lucky, they'll do like a special I think they did that with haunting your hill house or 1 of the ones that they ran like a little 45 minute thing that was just a baha separate to behind the scenes like interviews and stuff. 01:36:52.88 Matthew A. Yeah, yeah, we yeah, definitely because like you had everyone had to have had fun doing this.. It's it's it's all on the screen. Yeah, it's all on the screen. It looks like everybody's having a great time and. 01:37:00.39 Dave Like that's what I would like to see as interviews with these directors. 01:37:06.52 Dave That you can tell I mean like the even the casts like they're having a blast. 01:37:10.21 Leonard Right. 01:37:16.76 Matthew And just the the art direction is just phenomenal for something like this usually when you watch a horror anthology. You're like okay here we go here. Come some wobbly cardboard sets. But ah yeah, no yeah, everything's there on screen. 01:37:25.26 Dave Yeah, no I mean they they threw like the dollar bills at this like it looks nice. 01:37:35.40 Leonard Oh I I did want to ask has anyone watched the ah black and white ah version of ah Graveyard rats. 01:37:35.73 Matthew Looks great. 01:37:46.47 Matthew No I saw that right before we were about to record. Um, yeah, did you watch that was was it markedly different. 01:37:53.17 Leonard I did when we ah it it. It's I mean it's the same episode. It's just in black and white. Although I do there is 1 little touch that I I really appreciate which is that all the gold is still gold. 01:38:07.60 Matthew Ah, that's great. A nice color pop effect. That's that's wonderful. 01:38:12.94 Dave It's it's fun when they I think they were doing I think they did stuff that with like sin city and a few other um sort of monochromatic things. They weren't necessarily black and white or theyre just like sepia toed and then that's always fun like oh the 1 red thing or something. 01:38:17.25 Matthew And. 01:38:23.46 Leonard Ah. 01:38:24.67 Matthew Yeah, but especially with grave graveyard rats like to underline how Massan just like only saw gold and it just led him to his just deep dark doom ah was. 01:38:26.18 Leonard Right. 01:38:28.24 Dave Draw attention to it. 01:38:39.48 Dave Yeah, man just don't don't go digging the moral of almost all of these things is if it looks weird. Don't go there. 01:38:39.75 Matthew I Think that's that's a great touch. No yeah. Pretty much everybody's undoing is yeah, don't go there. Yeah, that's a ghost Boy. Don't don't touch that like yeah, yeah, exactly it doesn't matter how cool and blue your cocaine is. It's still probably a bad idea. 01:38:56.21 Dave Don't don't do drugs kits. Yeah,, don't don't and don't get into the weird Band. Don't go to the Creepy house. 01:39:04.84 Matthew Yeah, don't get in a van with a guy named Hector is probably just solid life advice for for everyone. 01:39:15.99 Dave I Do love that the um, the driving racing music that pops in it. It plays and then when um, the astrophysicist gets out of her car. It stops like. 01:39:21.80 Matthew And. 01:39:32.15 Dave Stop when she cut engine but then comes back on when Hector starts up his van. It's the same music. It's like this is this is just what happened yeah is what happens when you drive is this and I oh yeah, she she has um, driving gloves so good. 01:39:32.33 Matthew Um, yeah, they're just listening the same radio station man. Ah. 01:39:37.23 Leonard Ah. 01:39:45.79 Matthew Yes, very cool driving gloves. Yep it bit driver. Yeah drive baby driver. 01:39:46.53 Leonard Yes. 01:39:48.76 Dave Like so all I could think of was um, the driver or I'm not not not not the driver drive drive. Sorry no, not be drive drive with Ryan Reynolds not not Ryan was freaking them drag gosling. Yes. 01:40:02.10 Leonard Ryan gossling. 01:40:03.82 Matthew Atom driver. 01:40:07.95 Dave But lot of dudes sell lot a lot of blonde guys. He has a scorpion jacket. That's all we care about and driving gloves. 01:40:08.84 Matthew Yeah, all right? Yeah as you guys know I rely on my partner to point out the celebrity to me because I can't recognize everybody she was she was like hey that's that's walking dead in this one I'm like really that's him. 01:40:20.15 Dave It's it is okay I I fulfill that role Also okay so that took me probably half of the. 01:40:26.40 Matthew All right cool. 01:40:34.94 Dave The murmuring before I was like is that yeah that is inriccur. It's just he's older I and see him in a while and he has glasses on and just the room me off. Yeah. 01:40:39.95 Matthew Yeah, he's not. He's not saying coral. So it's really hard to tell that it's him. 01:40:48.85 Leonard Um, and ah just for because ah ah, this isn't ah Essie Davis who is ah a favorite actress of mine. Um, because she was in a ah very ah meet. Um. Tv series called ah misfit. Ah, Fisher's murder mysteries which I believe was a australian production where she played a strong independent. Ah female detective in the ah twenty s ah um, um, self-suff sufficientient self-rewind. Um, and she is also the mother from the baba duke. 01:41:28.89 Matthew Oh how do you like that? wonderful. Oh one last thing about ah the cornell association with ornithology and stuff. Um, before we even started the episode on the murmuring kind of. 01:41:29.54 Dave Ah, that's right Duke Duke Duke 01:41:45.28 Matthew Strangely ah, my partner pulled up the birdcast. Um, which is the bird forecast that is put out by the Cornell lab every nightfall that tells you what birds are traveling through your area currently and their population numbers. Um, because there's been. You know it's springtime. There's a ton of migration here. We have lots of bird species out in our yard. So. It's just been a fun thing to check. So as soon as they were done checking that we turned on this episode and it's these 2 2 people working for the Cornell lab looking at birds and are like oh well that's weird. 01:42:10.36 Leonard Um. 01:42:16.19 Leonard Um, to. 01:42:17.10 Dave How the birdcast is here. 01:42:20.26 Matthew Yeah, birdcast. It's live. That's great. So yeah, everybody should check out the birdcast it rules. 01:42:22.68 Dave Oh good, all right? Matthew send us home. 01:42:30.44 Matthew All right? Yeah, this was great. Thanks for joining us everybody as we went through all of these cabinet of curiosities. Um, if you want to find us online. We are ah at. Mon Underscore demonster on Twitter and monsterdeer.monster on internet just plug that right into your browser to find us there. You can find me on Twitter at the ugly machine. Um. And where can the nice people find you on the internet Dave. 01:43:04.96 Dave You can find me on twittercentinut underscore plus that will be in the show notes as always along with all the other links cameron was unable to join us tonight. You can find him on Twitter though at night underscore twi and that's night without a k. And how about yourself Leonard. 01:43:23.87 Leonard Yes, you can find me on Twitter ah barely ah at Dr Faust is dead and you can find ah my video essay work on Youtube ah by searching for Dr Faust is dead. 01:43:42.61 Matthew And that'll do it for us tonight folks. Um, we'll be seeing you next week with a new one stay safe out there watch out for birds. 01:43:52.00 Dave Bye Bye folks. 01:43:53.57 Leonard Goodbye.