00:12.30 Dave I'm your host Dave and I'm joined by Cameron for tonight's today's this episode Cameron has it going. 00:14.93 Cameron Yeah I'm doing well thank you the weather has been in a word temperamental. It's arced between being about °f in the sort of c and then dropping. Down to about half of that and absolutely pelting down with rain and it's been switching back and forth every 2 days for the last week ah so it's been interesting figuring out what to wear for work each day. 00:48.46 Dave Um, yeah I can I can empathize with that. We're not in quite that range. But it's dipped into what passes for fall early winter here and it's it's pretty chilly. 00:53.19 Cameron And. 00:59.29 Cameron Yeah, so. 01:06.60 Dave We're hitting. Um, you know what? I guess it's been just just above preaching so like 38 at night and then in the daytime it's like ° higher so I mean guess it is cold. Ah yeah, now that I think about it it just it's it's been. 01:09.15 Cameron Wow. Okay, yeah, yeah, all right? Yeah yeah, does sound pretty cold. 01:25.46 Dave The winters here aren't the the coldest aside from a few years ago so it's not too bad, but for the late summer here that it's been. It's ah it was ah abrupt shock. However, we've been getting slammed with the rain too. So yeah I get that it helps with the plants I don't go to water plants. Every. 01:26.75 Cameron Yeah, so. 01:33.63 Cameron Yeah. Yeah, so. Yeah, yeah, glad to see my garden is not suffering yet I'll give it a couple of weeks and 01:45.80 Dave Every single day That's a break. Yeah yeah, we have the rain. It's it's sprinkling now not too loud thankfully but I think it's supposed to rain harder tomorrow. So we'll see how that goes I'm just I'm tired. It's been a long week. 02:00.73 Cameron So written. Ah. 02:02.96 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 02:04.59 Dave And it's just about to get longer. We're hitting the the torrid holidays stretch of madness. 02:10.65 Cameron Yep, and yep, it's only gonna get worse from here. 02:17.80 Dave Um, adds okay this is your number X X into Retail pal So same old same old stuff just a different day. But yeah, we're not here to talk about that. 02:21.35 Cameron Yeah. And there enough. No. 02:36.76 Dave Ah, ah, ah yeah for the rest of the month um Leonard is on holiday. So Hoay Leonard um, he just had his birthday. So also hooray Leonard. He's now the big 4 o he's catching up. 02:40.44 Cameron Yes, yes, he did. Yes, oh good for him. He's getting there year by year. 02:50.67 Dave He's catching up. He's trying his hardest yeah trying his hardest not to get any older that happens to us all. Ah yeah, it's um, it's been. It's been a month. It's been busy. Busy busy busy. 03:00.00 Cameron Ah. 03:07.25 Cameron Yeah, yeah, so. 03:10.54 Dave Ah, yeah, we are taking a look at the Phantom of the opera. So our network sister podcast I don't know or that don't think we've decided on what to call it. But um. 03:23.12 Cameron So yeah. 03:27.65 Dave Jolla cha's place. Ah, last month released a fan of the opera episode um focusing on the original novel. Ah and the um Susan Catherine day susan day 03:33.68 Cameron Yes. 03:47.73 Dave Ah I'll have to fix that later. Um the author the the author of a sequel like a direct or pre prequel novel that was written I think in 2003 or so listen to that episode I will put a link to it and that will that will clear up all of my. 03:56.79 Cameron Martin. 04:03.37 Cameron So. 04:07.37 Dave Errors because there's like a 2 hour long discussion. Ah on those 2 things and so we're we're sort of we're bouncing back and forth type kind of toss in the ball. Um, so. We will be taking a look at the eighty nine film. The phantom of the opera directed by Dwight H little and starring Robert England so that'll be something a little different and then Cameron what are you bringing to the table. 04:22.24 Cameron And. 04:30.35 Cameron Yep I am bringing to the table the 1943 phantom of the opera um american produced by Arthur i' going to guess luon might be lute luben. Ah. 04:47.80 Cameron Ah, starring Nelson and e susannna foster and claude rains. 04:53.94 Dave Um, yeah I saw um ah when when you brought that to my attention I've not seen that one but um, just looking at like the production stills I was like oh that's a that's a dashing lead. Mr. Mr. Rains. 04:55.37 Cameron M. 05:04.14 Cameron Yes, yes, they have they have quite the quite the cast of beautiful people and I'm just I'm just looking at the ah the poster from the release now and it advertised you know it's in technicolor. It's got all these big names and. Ah, cost of thousands. Ah, which I guess you know is a selling point in early cinema being able to early-ish cinema being able to shoot big scenes with lots and lots of extras just hanging around and filling in the background. Um, which. 05:37.25 Dave Um, I mean that's still an accomplishment if you look at that these days we we went the other way with it and decided oh if you see a bunch of people. It's probably computer. 05:37.75 Cameron I'll get into it. It does Yeah true. Yeah, fair, Yeah, um, yeah, ah get into mine ah later on but ah yeah, shall we start off with yours. Yeah. 05:56.17 Dave Um, well, we'll do a very very brief overview. So phantom the opera is a novel by french author Gaston Larux and that was published as serially in Leg Gallo from 199 until 1910 05:57.27 Cameron Or yes, fair and. 06:12.25 Dave And it was released in a giant volume form in 1910 it's It's historically um, inspired by events the Paris Opera house and yeah it's this. 06:13.62 Cameron And. 06:24.22 Cameron Select button. 06:31.15 Dave This story has influenced hundreds of adaptations quite literally and it's a global phenomenon like it's every country's had their stab at some sort of adaptation and usually a cultural spin on it. So we're going to be. 06:34.10 Cameron First oh yeah, yeah, so. I yeah I think that's a fair way to put it. Yeah. 06:48.60 Cameron So. 06:51.60 Dave Um, probably just maybe 1 or 2 more episodes but um, taking a look at at the broader strokes of this and of course different versions of the phantom and what he represents or if he's. 06:59.40 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 07:06.18 Cameron M. 07:08.64 Dave Supernatural and or other ah ah or just a man a man with an horrible unfortunate, um disfiguration. 07:15.83 Cameron Yes. 07:21.83 Dave Um, yeah, ah you know won't go backwards I'll I'll dive into the ninety Eight nine version of phantoming the out so I didn't have a chance to watch as I mentioned the version you decided on. 07:25.98 Cameron Yeah, absolutely. So. 07:37.26 Cameron Yes, yeah, ah yeah, no I I did rewatch the 2004 phantom of the opera to ah buck my memory of all that drug butler goodness. Um, and I also managed to fit in the six and a half minutes required to watch spooks. 07:38.18 Dave Um, and I'm assuming the reverse is also true. 07:49.50 Dave Um, yeah. 07:54.46 Cameron Which is a 1930 Oswald the lucky rabbit spoof on phantom of the opera while I was researching but I did not manage to watch the eighty nine version. But. 08:04.49 Dave Um, ah yeah, that was the um, that's like a part of the Woody Woodpecker ah card original run cartoon. Yeah, like the max fleischer and all that. So. 08:09.94 Cameron So yeah, yeah, it's all that sort of early Proto disney-ish. Yeah it it was great. It was really rhythmical I think is my takeaway from that it's It's all like the slapstick slightly puerile humor. But. 08:23.21 Dave Are. 08:29.27 Cameron The animation matching to the music was really good and felt important for the um for you know the subject now they're covering and it covered the phantom of the opera pretty fully in about 6 minutes which was impressive. No dialogue really? but yeah. 08:47.11 Dave Um, yeah, it gets it get gets the point across. Yeah I I just looked at a few of the snippets of it. Um, yeah els. It's fun. It's very bendy of of a time if you enjoy cuphead. 08:48.13 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 08:55.61 Cameron Um, yes, very bendy. Yes, you'll love this? Yeah, the original. 09:02.89 Dave Like the aesthetics of it mm but um, yeah, so the 1989 version it went through um, a little bit of production hiccups as all things. Do. 09:19.41 Cameron Button. 09:21.80 Dave The original. Um, so it was produced by um, menemgolan of Golan Globus who he and his cousin created canon films which did like every. 09:27.71 Cameron Button. 09:33.18 Cameron Yeah. 09:37.97 Dave Explosion action film that you could think of in the 80 s um that company was slated to produce this phantom of the opera and um I I don't know if it was the year before it was prior right prior to beginning of the shooting for this the company folded. 09:40.20 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 09:55.66 Cameron No yeah. 09:57.61 Dave And this was brought on board by um, twenty first century and twenty first century film. Yes and it underwent a few changes mainly based on I think the new producers going. Oh we would like to have x y z happen to it. Um. 10:01.84 Cameron So. 10:12.88 Cameron I. 10:16.78 Dave So the film itself is set predominantly um in ah eighteen eighty five in London instead of Paris and the the movie opens in. 10:26.61 Cameron Okay. 10:35.43 Dave Present day Manhattan so that's already what is going on and we we meet Christine day instead of da this is just day. Ah an american. 10:37.50 Cameron Yeah. 10:48.53 Cameron The. 10:54.68 Dave Um, student of I think she's at Juilliard and she's auditioning for an opera coming up on on Broadway and she meets up with her her best friend. 10:57.40 Cameron Yeah. 11:12.79 Dave Who's also a historian at a library like like library Historian yeah and and her friend has has uncovered the but on the unknown lost. Ah. 11:15.14 Cameron And. 11:31.66 Dave Manuscript um, written by or manuscript. It's a um up opera or whattropoli it music score giant song and everything opera ah written by Eric Desler who is the the phantdom as we will. 11:36.86 Cameron Certain? Yeah yeah, yes. 11:49.42 Dave Find out through all these different adaptations. Ah and it is the um, what's called the oh yeah, done done 1 triumphant. It's it's like the main big song. 11:59.85 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 12:03.73 Dave Ah, and so she she finds that and Christine's like oh where did you get this and I want to know more about this mysterious and Eric desler like so our friends like oh all all I found was like this little bit of a newspaper clippings. 12:15.21 Cameron And. 12:23.41 Dave Sandwiched between all these other books and apparently he was a composer who was also accused of being like a horrific serial killer and it just goes off on this direction. Yeah, and Christine's like oh well tell me about that this this killer oh it's mysterious. 12:24.57 Cameron And. 12:31.25 Cameron Oh okay. 12:42.85 Dave And it's real weird. Um, so she starts digging around in the stacks and I'm I'm just I'm trying if I got where this is going because this is already kind of weird and she I'm like is this gonna. 12:50.23 Cameron And. 13:00.19 Dave Fishugi yogi is she going to get sucked into the manuscript like go back in time is that what's going to happen because like that that's for Anentina that's fun. Oh I'm I'm here for that. So that's not what happens she she finds the manual is mid the the thing she starts singing it and she's like oh. 13:02.39 Cameron Okay, yeah, yeah. 13:13.78 Cameron Effective. 13:19.62 Dave Um, her her art Historian friends. Also a pianist. She's like oh I'll just play I can memorize this tonight and you memorize the song and then we'll play it tomorrow at the rehearsal like you'll blown out of the water. This is great. 13:22.86 Cameron And. 13:28.26 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 13:35.97 Dave Because no one has this This is no one's going to touch the thing you're seeing and so they go to the rehearsal. Ah and as she's hitting like the midpoint of the song. Um, one of the stage hands up in like the rafters. Um. 13:40.70 Cameron Newton. 13:54.91 Dave Like bumps. The little sandbag thing that the weight the counterweight the shift scenes and the weight comes flying down and almost hits her in the face and and busts this big mirror binder. But as it hits the mirror it like. 13:55.51 Cameron Okay, so. 14:06.67 Cameron Okay, yeah, yeah, okay. 14:13.66 Dave I don't know Scooby-doo visions. It goes you in um in her her concussion like knocks are into the past. Yeah, so she wakes up in the London opera house like in the middle of a stage production um of faust. 14:16.34 Cameron Um. 14:20.34 Cameron Oh okay. 14:28.28 Cameron Yeah, and. 14:33.56 Dave And she has no memory of like the other part doesn't matter. It's just her earlier incarnation as Christine Day an american student um or singing abroad in London because that was the only way to like. 14:37.14 Cameron And. 14:43.76 Cameron Yeah, um. 14:53.24 Dave Give her a convincing not have to worry about an accent because everyone else is um british um and Bill Nye is in this which was really weird to see him like very young relatively and I was like oh oh, who's this his first move. 14:54.38 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh okay, yeah yeah. 15:12.70 Cameron No wonder. 15:12.50 Dave It's all it's bonai. Okay, ah no wonder yeah that I know that devilish man anywhere. He's the um, ah the manager he't own it. He's a he's just easy the this I think he's just the manager for the production company. 15:24.34 Cameron Yeah, oh Wow he does look really young. Wow Very slick. Yeah, oh. 15:30.30 Dave Ah, and he looks really young. Yeah um I know I know I was like oh who's this, who's this gentleman and um, it's great because he's ah he's like how I'm trying to think of. 15:43.19 Cameron Wow. 15:49.36 Dave He's in love with um the Kalatta of the of this this she her name is charlotta. She's still kalata. Um, who's also I think an American just here. But she's the Diva ah for the show and um, he he's in love with her so he keeps just like. 15:51.10 Cameron Button. Yeah. 16:08.11 Cameron Men. 16:08.82 Dave Promoting her like really hard to to make sure that she's happy and has super lavish like they're in like a dormant singing dormitories but she has a big suite with a big bubble bath thing and it's a lot but he's just fawning over her. 16:21.38 Cameron Um, yeah, yes, yeah. 16:28.46 Dave Ah, it's it's It's really cute because they have like an antagonistic like she's snarky at him and he's snarky. But then he's like oh she's my beauty or whatever but it's not weird. It's like just seems fine. He's like a smami producer but she's also terrible. So it's. 16:45.66 Cameron They they meant for each other. Yeah. 16:47.58 Dave Like it works out. They're both terrible to each other but it's a good match just feisty both of them. Ah, and yeah, so Christine is just she's being tutored by her her angel of music from behind the mirror. 17:02.11 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 17:06.46 Dave So it's all like it's hitting all the beats. Um, it's doing all the stuff and we find out like immediately ah doesn't waste time showing off ah Eric and. 17:19.12 Cameron Yeah. 17:23.92 Dave He's a lot. It's so it's Robert England and he's just chewing scenery like every time he's on, you're like okay I'm here for it. He's just he's not so I think where the film so was a music like like a critical and commercial failure. 17:39.41 Cameron Yeah. 17:43.11 Dave And when I'm watching and I'm like I'm I'm kind of I'm entertained by it I'm already familiar with the story and I can see that if you were to watch this in the theater in 1989 and you're fresh off of like nightmare and elm street. 17:58.30 Cameron Um, yeah. 17:58.84 Dave And his makeup is like all of the marketing for this is like Freddy's in the opera house. You know it's like it's just trading on on that imagery like very specifically and if you're if you're going to watch this and you're thinking. Okay. 18:04.52 Cameron Like in in yeah, right, right. 18:18.41 Dave I kind of might know what phantomy the opera is there are some horror roots in there. You know launch any has like iconic makeup. Um, and this is this is Freddy and it's supposed to have like gore and it's just it's not. 18:25.49 Cameron And. 18:37.44 Dave Violent enough for like a diehard horror fan but it doesn't hit the big like musical notes. Ah for a Phantom fan. 18:41.79 Cameron Yeah. 18:47.90 Cameron Right? right? right. 18:52.79 Dave It's sitting right in the middle and it's not comfortable there though and it has 0 need to have added on the oh she's in the modern day but then she got transported back because it doesn't matter. She isn't like that's not written into the middle of the movie like it doesn't. 18:56.11 Cameron And. 19:05.50 Cameron Yeah, doesn't actually affect the plot. No no it just. 19:12.27 Dave Make any difference it just happens in the beginning and of the end because they just wanted to I think they wanted to film a sequel and they wanted him to be in modern day Manhattan and doing shenanigans. So it's like. 19:26.15 Cameron And. 19:29.88 Dave It It does some unnecessary a lot of unnecessary lifting. But it didn't need to do It had a fine movie without that extra stuff and it's just okay, but it's fun because it's kind of. 19:32.50 Cameron So. 19:40.77 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 19:46.54 Dave It's kind of campy and I wish it had leaned into it a little bit more and that I think may have been some of the concerns was like it just it just didn't if it's going to be goofy like just do it like go full evil dead something like that it it didn't really do that though. 19:48.25 Cameron M. 19:55.69 Cameron Yeah, yeah, no. 20:03.35 Dave And it didn't just go like oh no, he's a horrifying like Jack the river you know it didn't do that either it. It kind of tried to but then it's given Eric like a bunch of weird one-liners and it's like hi don't I don't know if that that worked either. Um. 20:06.50 Cameron E. 20:14.40 Cameron So. 20:20.70 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 20:22.99 Dave Yeah, so he's and the longest short of it is. It's it's a basic plot. Um, he's he he wants Christine to be the the megastar and he writes he's in the middle of composing his um done 1 triumphant and he. 20:34.71 Cameron Button. Yeah. 20:42.49 Dave Wants her to like be the star of it so he sets it up so that um charlotta is not able to do her role in faust and then that puts Christine as the lead and then he wants that to be like a kickoff for her career which would which would. 20:49.44 Cameron And. 21:01.80 Dave Put her to stardom and then like showcase his music because like he wants his music to be the best and of course that doesn't work out just not what happens and he's in love with her and then she's like in love with him. 21:06.80 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 21:19.93 Dave In the aspect of he can teach her how to be a star but not with him personally. So it's an unrequited love on his part. She just wants to be a good singer. 21:25.27 Cameron I yeah. 21:35.46 Cameron Yeah. 21:39.75 Dave Um, and it's okay I guess um the is it is it Raul I'm trying to think of because I don't think that's what his name is in this movie. Um her her love interest in this. 21:41.41 Cameron And. 21:53.15 Cameron So. 21:56.82 Dave Is ah the owner of the the theater troope. So he's like he runs the the he's like the co-owner of the theater I think he runs it with bill Nye like I think they maybe they both own it. It's not clear to me or I wasn't paying attention to that part because it didn't really matter. But um, he's you know. 21:57.98 Cameron Oh okay, so. In Ok yeah, button. 22:17.73 Dave Is he's the same role as um Patrick ah Patrick whatever from the 2004 movie I can give his name the main. 22:27.41 Cameron So yeah, yeah, yeah. 22:34.83 Dave Dashing Hero guy this is this guy has a nice cleft chin I mean not not a bad looking dude. Um, he's no bill Nye but you know he's okay, he's just real like not effective. 22:52.11 Cameron Yeah, right? That's the same. Ah yeah. 22:53.27 Dave Yeah, and he gets bad ended. Um like everyone everyone kind of does he Yeah he he didn't make it um Carlota didn't make it a lot of people did just didn't make it. Um, so yeah, it's doing the murder thing. 23:00.66 Cameron All the. 23:11.30 Dave Like real hard. He's aerial Killer He's just murdering people. It's what he does he skins them. He's this this this skinning Phantom like he's done it before and he'll do it again. Yeah oh and it shows it too like he's like shows the body's flayed. 23:11.55 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh wow. 23:22.73 Cameron It's got a. It's got a lot more hyper violent than I imagined it would Wow. Yeah. 23:30.69 Dave Like like hell razor but no, not quite. It's good. Um, and you're like okay, yeah, it's doing that. But then it did it just did it once and then just miss some references so you see like 1 skinning of a dude that doesn't matter and then like oh the inspector that's I've been after this this serial skinner. 23:39.35 Cameron Um, yeah. 23:49.13 Cameron So. 23:49.88 Dave In London for some years ah recognizes this the the mark of a true I see he's not like just a killer this is an artist or whatever. It's like or a genius or something. He's like no one can skin them a lot and they're still alive. It's like okay man. 24:03.10 Cameron Um. 24:07.99 Dave This dude just like he just really wanted to be the main character and he just is not. He's just there. He just pops up. So yeah, it's just serviceable. Um, what's really great though is that ah um, in this version Eric. 24:15.47 Cameron New. 24:27.70 Dave Yeah, he's a supernatural force. It's just not what we normally get so in this one. Um, they're they're they're playing faust. He ah some years before. 24:28.30 Cameron I Yeah no. 24:36.95 Cameron So. 24:42.34 Dave Made a faustian deal with a ah miniature Satan and the the little the little devil um, he's like. 24:47.63 Cameron Yes, yes. 24:57.48 Dave So you want your music to live forever and you want to live forever and he's like yes I will make I will do anything. He's like how about will you offer your soul. He's like yeah sure we're a lot from my soul and he signs the onad dotted line and offers his soul up and the Devil's like well yes, um. 25:15.72 Dave According to the bargain you will live forever but you didn't think you'd get away free. It's like that he gave you you his soul. It's like you can't yeah have your cake and eat it too or whatever and he just grabs his face and like melts it. 25:19.83 Cameron Yeah. 25:28.59 Cameron I Okay oh yeah. 25:31.50 Dave So that that was the and the unknown the Monkey's claw part of it was like hey yeah you can live forever and everyone will know your music but you're just be ugly like really badly burned. It's not even like he you know it's lost his ears and most of it all of his hair and it's. 25:47.66 Cameron So yeah, okay, that's cool. No. 25:49.30 Dave Bones kind of stick out a little bit. It's pretty good makeup um not not quite as good I think as 9 el street but it's free to close. So the the mask of the the phantom in this is he the reason he's skinning his victims. 26:06.58 Cameron Certain. 26:08.65 Dave Think maybe initially is because he grafts them to his face to make him I ask see like but it's like he sows them and it shows him just painfully so as he's cans not screaming but he's like upset atly selling them under his patches onto his face. 26:11.93 Cameron Is near. Ok. 26:25.89 Cameron Button. 26:28.33 Dave Because he has to replace like forehead and and cheek and he puts a weird cartilage thing. That's definitely an achronistic into his nose to like form a nose and then put skin over it and then he uses makeup to like blend it all together and so he has so he looks like um handsome squid word. It's really weird. 26:34.22 Cameron ME. 26:43.99 Cameron Is. 26:47.90 Dave He he hands some squid words himself up and then and then goes and sits in his box office box office number 5 to watch the watch the play watch the operas but um, yeah, he so he's like lusting after Christine and he's really wants to get. 26:51.28 Cameron Yeah. 27:01.80 Cameron Okay, so yeah. 27:07.20 Dave Some of that and he can't so he goes and sleeps with um ah ah prostitutes and like. 27:18.34 Cameron Yeah. 27:26.45 Cameron Yeah. 27:26.60 Dave He treats them fairly. She sleeps with them. He like just keep the lights off keep the lights off baby then that's a'll, ask and I'll ah and I'll give you some gold. Um and he just pays them well and then that's it. that's that's that's it ah it's just meant to show you that he's like. Oh Christine and she's like my name's Hannah or something. He's like no tonight you're Christine. Um, but but that's it yeah, it's like oh that's that's nice I mean I don't I can't say that you whatever it's not bad. There's like nothing weird about it. Yeah I mean these's not. 27:49.75 Cameron Shhh Forgotten he's He's not a mindless Murderer No that what a redeeming. 28:02.12 Dave he's not Jack the ripper um really he's not killing he's only killing people that get in his way honestly, so he's not just indiscriminately just murdering people. Um, he is's at a bar and he likes to sit in the tavern and compose his music I think that I don't. 28:07.90 Cameron Point. Yeah yeah. 28:22.00 Dave I Don't know I Just really feel like you wouldn't do that. But maybe he's just tired of being stuck under the opera house the whole time in his catacombs. He just maybe can't write down there so he goes to the Tavern and just sits in a corner with like a little at a little writing desk and like orders drinks and writes. 28:26.53 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 28:36.34 Cameron Yeah, Okay, yeah, yeah. 28:38.92 Dave I mean I guess it's like the same as going to a coffee shop and writing like composing your great novel at the coffee shop. You know, just in 18 a 5 so you got to sit at the alehouse. Um by candlelight and then. 28:51.15 Cameron So. 28:53.52 Dave And then tip the the waitress in like golden coins and then have 5 ruffians going a a guy that that guy's pockets are loaded. Let's go talk to you introduce me to your friend and then the waitress is like yeah you don't want to. 28:56.40 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 29:02.84 Cameron Yeah. 29:10.40 Cameron Like yeah yeah, no obviously. 29:10.79 Dave Still mess with him. He's always here. He's just a fixture like leave Malone he tips well and he doesn't bother Anybody just have a good night. Go home. Um, that's of course not what they do they like follow him out in the alley and they threaten him and they're like. Give us your gold and it's Robert England he's just like what do you have to trade and that's the terrible Robert England voice but that's what he basically says and there's like they're flicking out a knife steal steal for your gold. Um, then he's like I don't think you want to do that and. 29:35.67 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 29:44.10 Cameron He he. 29:49.82 Dave Like yeah obviously we do because there's 3 of us in 1 of you and then he pulls out a whip and he like Zoro the gay blade like beats the not out of the I mean he kills them but he's like whipping gives a candle to California. 30:02.80 Cameron Yeah. 30:09.18 Dave Like I feel like they got some of that from this because he's he's like whipping them and catching them in the throat and then like strangling them and pulling a knife blade out of a whip and slicing them up but that's like that it's entertaining. 30:22.11 Cameron I. 30:26.96 Dave And it's it's it's filmed in like a super actiony way where clearly like none of these actors are action actors. So it's like I don't think there's some people but they're just like this. The blocking is very funny because Robert England's not like a spry I mean he's spry but he's not an action guy. 30:32.26 Cameron M. 30:38.67 Cameron Yeah. 30:44.57 Cameron Yeah, button the. 30:46.41 Dave You know he's just intimidating because he's lanky. Um, and so he kills the 2 flunkys and the main dude that was like the the boss of the band. It's like is tried he decides he wants to run away because um. 30:56.90 Cameron The written. 31:05.30 Dave Ah, Eric like cut off 1 of his homeboys heads and like chucked it at him and he's just like ah okay, you can keep the cold maybe and um tries to run away and so the phantom can like teleport. 31:07.11 Cameron No Wow. Okay. 31:24.14 Dave So he's just running down hall. You know alleyways and the Eric will just be ahead of him and they just run and he's behind him again. He's batmanning all over the place like up to where he's like somehow up in the rooftops and jumps down. It's like what? what's just happened. You can't escape him if he's after you. 31:31.57 Cameron Plus. 31:43.77 Dave No one can escape the phantom and yeah, that guy just gets killed but the phantoms are really strong mean like this dude's a bulky dude and he just one arm like Caba done like holds him up against a wall and like chokes him and then guts him. It's like okay. 31:44.24 Cameron 5 Yeah yeah. 31:59.85 Cameron Is. 32:03.16 Dave Just picked up a dude with 1 in 1 arm all right that fit. Okay, fair enough now we we've established he can like teleport. He has super speed super strength. Um, he just he stitches on other people's faces this he's leather face but real fast. 32:13.34 Cameron Yep yep. 32:18.83 Cameron Yep. 32:19.97 Dave Um, that's my phantom what's going on. Yeah and oh man so the rest of the beats all happen. They go to the masquerade ball he he abscons with Christine takes her down to the his. 32:38.20 Cameron And. 32:38.65 Dave Underground um chambers and then he like sort of forces are into kind of unofficially marrying him. 32:49.54 Cameron Oh okay, oh wow, Yep yep. 32:52.40 Dave And they just quickly jams a ring onto her finger and it's like it's a bladed thing that she can't pull off without like cutting her own finger off for some reason like because that's how you do and yeah, he has her for not very long because the dashing hero and the inspector and the inspectors. Um, buddy davies who it's real Weird. So got the inspector who's big mustachioed guy and he's the one that's like I know this is the Genius Murderer and then he's got davies who I guess is a local cop or something. 33:20.94 Cameron Um, yeah, this is this is. 33:29.47 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 33:31.94 Dave Because he's they're both in Scotland yard um, let her know what davi's he's just there but davies looks like and Swineney Todd the Johnny Depp version which is really weird so he has like a shock of white hair and a little scar on his head and like this. It's obviously like a wig. 33:43.52 Cameron Okay, yeah. 33:51.61 Dave But I mean it's it's meant to be as like so nice smooth hair. So It's all this black hair and then like this shock of white I was like what you did this character building with and didn't like do anything with this character like no one else looks like that just this guy. Like what's what's his story. What did he did he get scared or did he get shot in the head and it like scared him so he like a shock of white hair. It's It's so weird because yeah, they just didn't they have this fun character and then just didn't it's he's just davies and then he gets brutally murdered. 34:15.67 Cameron But yeah. 34:23.87 Cameron And. 34:28.50 Dave The phantom and tricked and it's it's very silly like they're in the catacombs and they're following the rat man who's a dude that just keeps the rats away. He's paid by Eric he's like the the phantom pays me well to keep his secrets and keep the rats away. 34:28.52 Cameron And. 34:38.54 Cameron Ah, yeah. 34:44.36 Dave And the inspector like we'll pay you more show us where he is without giving him any money and the rack guy's like oh yeah, sure it's like he's been paying. You've been paying giving game paiding gold man and you just you just gave him up like thats okay. 34:48.30 Cameron So yeah, yeah. 35:02.20 Dave It was weird. Um, but yeah, the the inspector was like yes, take this chalk and wallmarker. There's miles of catacombs here. So just Mark arrows you know and then the phom is just running around with another piece of chalk and like making their arrows point both ways. It's very silly. It's very like like Scooby-doo. 35:08.33 Cameron Yeah. 35:16.14 Cameron Yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah. 35:21.45 Dave Stuff because the Phantom just like can you know he just teleports around and laughs ha Ha ha and runs and you can't see you just see a shadow running and then there's a great part where he kills um davies his assistant who's just some bobby some poor bobby and. 35:24.10 Cameron Yeah, yeah, he's magic. Yeah. X. 35:39.41 Dave He's just mimicking his voice like I davies I'm lost in the junk I'm lost in the tunnels davies come help me I can't get my way out and then davies is just where are you? where are you bobby in the case I got davies come save me. It is just a fandom doing the voice. It's so good. 35:46.66 Cameron Button. 35:55.81 Cameron Um, yeah. 35:58.54 Dave I mean it's bad. It's it's just like what what is going on and it goes on for like 10 minutes this just cat and mouse stuff. Um, they finally catch up to him in his layer and whatever the. 36:04.21 Cameron So. 36:16.26 Cameron Yeah. 36:16.49 Dave Hero Dude is he just gets like murdered real fast. He gets like shanked in the side and then burned he didn't put up a very good fight. It was the thing is it's really weird because the Phantom's strength is inconsistent. So here he's like struggling as this other dude when he's been like lifting other people up. 36:25.10 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 36:34.74 Cameron And. 36:35.27 Dave With 1 hand it's like he got weaker in his own seat of power I don't understand the dynamics of this but he that they had to have him fight and not just be like immediately killed so I don't know and. 36:41.67 Cameron Yeah. 36:48.17 Cameron And. 36:55.20 Dave Yeah, at all and Christine just starts like smashing stuff with the um razor and ah where she do I think she she burns his manuscript in it that that's his weakness is it like his life forces tied to the manuscript. 36:59.30 Cameron Yeah. 37:10.15 Cameron Yeah, yeah, right? so. 37:14.53 Dave But of course since we saw it in the future. We know it's only kind of singed um and ah she there's ah, there's a big the big Phantom mirror that he like uses to talk to her through which I don't know I don't know if it's like. 37:27.70 Cameron And. 37:32.79 Dave Teleporting him or if he's it's weird I don't know there's a mirror and she has a mirror and it's a matching mirror they have just matching mirrors. Um, she breaks that with the Kendelabram um, and it like sends her back into the future. So. 37:33.74 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 37:46.11 Cameron Right. 37:50.53 Dave Because I know that the the the the beginning and the end are like added on I don't know what they meant to do with like the middle part of it because I mean everyone's dead and then she just like breaks a mirror and screams and then. 38:01.19 Cameron Yeah. 38:07.91 Cameron So. 38:10.43 Dave Passes out like okay that didn't settle anything really I mean maybe the phantoms dead the inspector I think is dead the other guy definitely definitely. He's dead davees did not make it Bobby Poor Bobby did not make it. Um. 38:14.40 Cameron Button. 38:21.79 Cameron Oh yeah, so. 38:27.44 Dave Yeah I don't know I think the whole place is about to go into fly. Everyone's just gonna get burned I guess and so it it just it just cuts right back to her being like given smelling salts or whatever you know, just being woken up in the um ah Manhattan opera place. 38:29.27 Cameron Button. 38:44.67 Cameron Yeah. 38:46.43 Dave Wherever she was doing her audition the audition hall. Yeah, that's what they're called um and she's like she wakes up and her her best friend is like oh you fainted there for a second. You're glad you're back with us. Um I guess we've probably screwed that up and the. 38:59.66 Cameron Um. 39:03.21 Dave The dude doing the audit since comes out from like the um you know is where you're sitting in one seat up in the shadowy audience thing he comes down and he's like no no, this was perfect. Um, our our producer wants to have a word with you. 39:09.94 Cameron Button. Yeah. 39:23.13 Dave So we can get all this finalized because you know you're going to be our star or whatever and the producer comes out of like the sound booth and of course it's Robert England so like in his you know, not no makeup. It's just Robert England and um, it's great because he has like it's clearly a wig. 39:29.94 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 39:42.53 Dave Because he has a big this ponytail that doesn't look like logistically. it's it's hatched it's like a a weave like into his hair. It's like okay because he had to be he had to be like almost 90 s it's like that that kind of like yuppy but long tonguetail producer guy. 39:42.73 Cameron So yeah. 39:56.89 Cameron So yes, yes. 40:01.22 Dave And and he's like yeah this is this was wonderful. We're gonna we have ah ah and not wrap party but like an audition party or something planned. Um, let me like they're gonna the dude that runs at the director. He's going to like finalize the stuff with your assistant because um, her. Her best friend. It's like oh no I'm her manager you know I'll I will handle that because she has a concussion or something she didn't want her friend to like just or she didn't want Christine to be googly and like not agree to it. Um, so she goes to her friend goes to talk to the um director guy leaving. 40:21.38 Cameron Button. 40:29.94 Cameron Thank you. 40:39.96 Dave Christine along with the producer and he's like oh yeah, just come up to my apartment and we'll hang out and then there's going to be a big party I need to go like freshen up and stuff because I've been watching auditions all day long and I'm sure you want to you know calm down because you. 40:52.70 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 40:57.11 Dave And scratched your head almost cracked with a giant sandbag which wasn't our fault. We're not liable for that. Ah, you know so she's just in his like man. It looks like Patrick Bateman's apartment. It's like you know it's that kind of. 40:59.33 Cameron No, no, absolutely not yeah. 41:11.99 Cameron Right? Yeah, yeah, so. 41:16.95 Dave Weird. Yeah, it's a big studio and he has like a big sound room and she's like she just wanders in there and he has like the big keyboard and all the synthesizers and stuff and she's just touching things and she like picks up a um, he picks up a floppy disk because it's just a can nine and she's like. 41:20.56 Cameron Yeah, yeah, and. 41:36.51 Dave Um, because was she's saying her song and everyone's like what was that like where did you find that and they they hadn't talked about it yet, but she picks up the the disc and it says um Don want's triumphant and she's like that's weird so she sticks it into his computer. 41:39.69 Cameron No. 41:49.53 Cameron I s. 41:56.21 Dave And he has the computers that just do one program like it. It just plays soundmaster so she she puts the the disc in and it just like boots up the program immediately and just starts playing the music but it's like blaring it through the whole apartment because it's just like giant speakers and she's like. 41:57.77 Cameron Yeah. 42:15.33 Dave She's like flipping out trying to like shut the computer down but she just is just pushing buttons. Um, and the ah the producer comes right down and he's like oh you found. 42:16.72 Cameron Yeah. 42:28.55 Dave My music or whatever he's like I've been waiting for you Christine and it it showed him when he was going to go. He's like I'm gonna go put up my tie on and he has like ah this big frosted glass like it's an aquarium. 42:36.27 Cameron And. 42:43.85 Cameron Okay, yeah, so yeah. 42:46.41 Dave Or it's not frosty. It's it's it's it's full of smoke. Um and he opens it up and it's like a bunch of perfectly. Ah sculpted Robert England faces so it's it's like it's like um in a dark man. 42:56.96 Cameron So okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 43:04.26 Dave You know where they're you know, prosthetic faces so he has that now because this is obviously this is still Eric and he's survived like these hundred and something years waiting for her to reincarnate which is real weird. 43:16.90 Cameron Yeah, the yeah as you do. 43:23.25 Dave But you know I guess I should do yeah and he's like Christine you finally come back to me. It took so long for you to grow up and be 19 or whatever. It's like okay man. Oh yeah, you had to make it real weird. Um, he didn't he didn't say that but that's it's so it's implied. 43:31.82 Cameron Oh god. 43:40.92 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 43:43.23 Dave Um, she's in college you're making a strange. Ah yeah, so um, she's she's like remembering her weird past Lifetime Skip dream thing. Um, and then she just he's like you can. 43:57.11 Cameron Button. 44:02.25 Dave You choose music or love music or love what will it be? um, is like I've been waiting so long we will finish our song together and then rule the music world as King and Queen I don't know he doesn't he doesn't pen to vaate that long. Um, he doesn't really get the chance. He's out to kiss her which is already. 44:03.56 Cameron I. 44:14.82 Cameron So. 44:21.37 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 44:21.84 Dave Super smarmy and she like rips his face. Ah all the prosthetic face off and then he's like 3 times worse looking now because it's been another hundred years and his face I think I guess it got burnt so it's like the burns. 44:26.53 Cameron Yeah. Button. 44:37.00 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 44:39.94 Dave Turn like Brown and green say just a goopy make real real nasty and um, he's like oh my face and then she I think she. 44:58.30 Dave Maybe this is where she burns his or soon as she rips she just tears in half the printed out sheets or something and he's like my music. Um I think she may she maybe she stabs him with something I think she probably stabs him. 44:58.75 Cameron Button. 45:10.69 Cameron Yeah, yeah, that's fair. 45:14.95 Dave I don't I think I checked out at this point I was like what um she may so have stabbed him um with a letter opener I don't know you can pick your pick your pointy object that may be in a ah computer. 45:23.85 Cameron Button. 45:33.80 Dave Composers electronic like it's not laboratory. They're just a composing room audio engineering suite I don't know. Um, yeah, and she just he dies. Ah and then she runs out into the street and. 45:38.62 Cameron And yeah. 45:45.80 Cameron Yeah, so. 45:52.28 Dave Then it like I think it just fades to black and then it's it's some time later and she's a professional now because she's just dressed a real fancy and she's walking home or somewhere don't know and she passes like this bum who's. 46:00.28 Cameron Button. 46:11.72 Dave Playing a nice song on the Violin and so she throws him some money and then as eie of course walks by then it's he starts playing Don one triumphant and you're like oh it's the it's Eric he's he's still you didn't kill him. He's immortal because he made a deal with the devil. He just looks. 46:12.73 Cameron Yeah. 46:21.55 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 46:29.42 Dave Hideous but he's immortal forever and always lusting after young Christine. yeah yeah I did not mean to go along the movie just the movie goes places and you're like I'm man it is entertaining. It's weird. 46:35.10 Cameron Yep, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 46:47.30 Dave And they didn't need the book ending because now it's like forever he will hunt after her and every time just waiting for her to become a young woman again. It's like man come on. Yeah yeah, you make it real strange. Um, yeah, that's. 46:56.84 Cameron So yeah. 47:05.51 Dave That's phantom 1989 or a year yeah but he gets cool like teleporting move I mean like that that starts fun I wish they did more with it. Um, he just murders like 2 other other people and they're like okay but they didn't like I just. 47:07.80 Cameron Yeah, yeah, great. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they yeah no yeah yeah. 47:24.65 Dave He wasn't consistent I mean if you're going to be super strong like let him always be super strong or tell me why he's not now like have her have burned some of the music and then he got Weaker I don't know you know that you could have done something to some kind of shorthand to like give us that information just so it's consistent anyway. 47:33.52 Cameron And. So yeah, absolutely. So. 47:42.79 Dave So tell us about the the the vinyl violinist Phantom is it does he do more Violin music. Oh man. 47:48.82 Cameron Yes, um, he doesn't actually do very much Violin music as all which will ah he does a bit. Um and this is sort of my area of speciality. So I'll go into that a little bit. Yes, please please. 48:01.77 Dave Um, oh sorry before I let before I let you just regal me with this. They they had the graveyard scene where Christine goes and cries to her father's grave because he's supposed to have like sent the angel to like teach her and. 48:11.48 Cameron Yes, um. 48:16.74 Dave Um, that's where Robert England like you take heed serenades her what the reason see just I don't know he just playing. He tricks her with the Violin. It's a weird I don't know he's playing the Violin and then she gets like hypnotized into getting into a a coach that just appears and then they ride off into the catacombs but um Raul or whatever. 48:22.17 Cameron Written. 48:28.40 Cameron Yeah, right, right? fair enough? Yes, yeah. 48:36.78 Dave I Keep saying rival because I think that's his character's name elsewhere I don't think he's what he's called here. Um, he is trying to get in the gate and it's like it's It's just manually locked but with a latch and so he's just like. 48:44.43 Cameron Yeah, okay so. 48:52.16 Dave Struggling as and then he reaches through and like pops. So it's like so dumb but he runs in and as he's running in the Phantom starts playing ah like a little jig thing and like a screechy jig and it like it hurts his ears I mean he starts screaming. 49:02.67 Cameron Um, yeah, oh yeah, yeah. 49:10.26 Dave Like it the the music controls. It's like be consistent cases you have music powers too like what's going on like if he has that why didn't he use that before like he he kills a lot of people that he could have just like you know, tortured them with like muse. Yes, he could have just been like. 49:13.75 Cameron Yeah I guess. 49:23.76 Cameron Um, yeah, musically disabled. Yeah. 49:29.85 Dave So Mr. london times critic how about how about now what do you think of Christine Diey's music. How about if I play this song. Do you like it now you know that would have I mean that may have been too a step too far in the cheesy direction. But. 49:36.55 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah, well maybe maybe oh yeah, absolutely yeah. 49:47.78 Dave Give if you're going to give him weird violin powers like do do it more than once not a one off, no one wants a 1 off anyway, tell us about this other nonviolinist phantom. 49:55.73 Cameron No no one loves someone? Yeah, excellent. So yeah, phantom of the opera 1943 in technicolor. Um, there's few things about this. It's the only universal ah classic universal horror film that won an Oscar and. Good for them for art direction and cinematography and I think I I will say it's well deserveved. This movie is beautiful with a capital b it's kind of ridiculous and part of that is owing to the fact that it actually reuses the sets for the 1925 phantom of the opera. 50:32.52 Dave Mine. 50:33.31 Cameron Which is this really really elaborate and down to the last detail recreation of the interior of the opera ghannier in Paris like the the actual building at our place de operaa. Um it is it is you. 50:46.71 Dave Um, yeah. 50:52.56 Cameron Absolutely striking and gorgeous. It. It is you know the correct levels of gaudy and magnificent architecture that really really sells the whole the whole thing. Um, but yeah this this film. Ah, is ah a pretty good take on the fanm is it's less of a monster movie more of ah some some sort of a mystery movie I would say then definitely than yours was which is the best said he these telephone around. He's got. Ah, people being skinned and stuff. It doesn't quite go into the gruesomeness of that or the the superpowered side of that our phantom is but a man. Um, but yeah it it sends on 4 sort of main characters that the story of rolls are and we have Christine Dubois rather than Daye. Like name change. We have Rao Dubert who is her love interest. He's an inspector with the sorete in Paris. Um. 51:51.64 Dave Oh okay, that's a little different. 51:55.45 Cameron Yeah, a little different um and we have um who was it was Nelson Edie Plaum as Anatoll Guton who's a baritone in the opera who's Christine sort of not not mentor, but someone who does this best to help her out and get her training and stuff and then of course we have erilaudan. 52:13.17 Cameron Played by Claude Raines who is our to be phantom of the opera. Um, and yeah, this film is really good. It gets going. It's only 93 minutes um and so it it keeps it keeps it short and sweet in most things. Ah. And yeah, we have Eric Kladant is a violinist in the orchestra when the film starts. Ah Christine is a soprano in the chorus and atoll is sort of like the lead baritone for most of the performances and then ral shows up when he can to do things like. Distract Christine from joining the curtain call when he shows up backstage to say hi. Ah um, pretty pretty early on it is really demonstrated that um Eric has this infatuation this obsession with Christine. Which you know unfiting the traditional phantom archetype there but throughout the film. It's a lot more ambiguous about what exact kind of love this obsession is because this this is a film that began production in 1935 and didn't actually release until 1943 it had a bit of. Ah, bit of development hell of its own to go through and in the initial script. Apparently he was going to be more of ah a paternal love figure and although they wrote that out because of concerns about incestuous themes. It does really still sort of pull through strongly. 53:50.42 Cameron Throughout the film which I really liked that ambiguity as to like whether it's a romantic love or a more familial style Love that he's sort of being swept up in um because you know most of the time It's just the straight romantic love with the phantom. 54:06.75 Dave Um, yeah, um. 54:09.67 Cameron Um, yeah, yeah, he's leaving roses and he's boosting someone's career because he wants them to be his angel of music etc. And yeah, and no roses in this one at the very least not from Erik at least? um. But yeah, ah Christine is a young up and comer while she's still in the chorus. Everyone sort of recognizes that she has a fantastic voice and a big reason for that is she's been getting singing lessons with like the premiiere italian voice director in Paris um, and ah she. 54:37.26 Dave Oh. 54:44.24 Cameron Has a secret patron who's paid for her all her lessons which for for context a full month of her salary according to the film would not pay for a single half hour lesson with this man. Ah, he's expensive, but he's he's the best and we discover. Pretty soon that our Erik is that patron we discover it because the the head of the orchestra. The conductor calls him into his office and has a discussion with him. There's been some discord in the Violin section. Um I think I've narrowed it down to you. Can you play me something and claudan gets out his Violin which I'm I'm going to be going to be both petty and very detailed about things. First off I love his Violin case the handle is on the top which is. 55:37.83 Cameron And awkward designed to carry around but superior and caring for the instrument so you know don't know if that's characterization or just what was available in cases at the time but I really like like the touch here. Um, he the actor play Claude Rain plays very well I don't think he's an actual violinist. It's a little out of sync but he's clearly studied bow and hand movement and posture very well. Some of the best Violin playing I've seen in a film. Um, which is not always a high bar but I'm glad they tried. 56:12.31 Cameron And he plays a simple little tune from provence where he grew up and the I was like well maybe it wasn't you you played that beautifully and no, but it was you can you play you know the opening of the third act from this particular opera we're doing whatever is like I can't. Ah, the fingers on my left hand just aren't working properly so he's started to succumb to but some some malaise of age. Probably it does happen. Um, he played the tune from performance because it's super simple. And doesn't actually involve a lot of finger work which they did again reflect in the the acting there. It's all shifting the whole hand rather than moving the individual fingers and this is the majority of the violin music in the film is this little 2 minute segment here unfortunately. Ah, but. With you know Eric having worked for the opera for 20 years he's obviously saved up a tidy little sum so we'll we'll give him a season pass to the opera in appreciation of his long service and dismiss him. You've got this tidy little sum to retire on. You'll be fine and then we. Cut to Christine getting the lessons that is revealed ah clodan doesn't have a penny to his name. He spends all his earnings paying for Christine's lessons because he believes in her potential to become like the the premier soprano of their time. 57:43.70 Cameron Ah, he he loves her. He loves her musical capability and talent is he's now in very dire straits and so he does The only thing you can do when you're out of money which is you sell something. You've been working on and hope it hope it goes big. He has written a concerto. He takes it to a a very important local publisher drops his office says you know look it over I need I need to publish this It's fantastic. It's triumphant. Everyone will love it I do believe it is Don Juan Triumphant again I think. Um, off top man I don't think that would have changed that little detail. Um, and this is sort of our inciting incident because the ah play a I believe was the name of the ah of the publisher doublecheck play l. 58:39.53 Cameron Is the publisher and um, he he doesn't hear back from him for a full day. He's just sitting in the office waiting around because Plaelll is fooling around with his secretary doing etchings with acid and ah finally clod on can't take anymore bursts in the office and demands to get his. 58:51.25 Dave Um, ah. 58:59.50 Cameron Score back if they're not going to look at it basically and they can't find it. It's nowhere in that office and until you hear the piano tinkling in from somewhere else in the building play it play else's ah partner the other the other half of this publishing company is showing the kotdo to franz list. Ah, the very famous composer and and performer. Um, and this is the the tragedy part of it because in the other room franz and the. And the other publisher are sort of lauding this work going. This is incredible player will publish this he has no choice. Um, whoever wrote this is an absolute genius. What's his name on so Claudine something or other and in the other room claudine sort of frantic with his need for money. He hasn't paid his landlady for six weeks he can't afford more lessons for Christine. He can't afford to feed himself etc. Um, here's his own music being played somewhere in the building and leaps to the conclusion that Playel has stolen his work ah strangles him and ah to death. And play's secretary defends herself in the only way she can think of which is to throw a vat of acid into Claudan's face and this is where we get out tragically disfigured ah by. 01:00:23.78 Cameron An asset attack phantom. It's not the not the born deformed phantom of certain other films and adaptations. Ah he flees often the night covering covering his face screaming crying the whole time. Um, again, a fun bit of light. No 1 assumes anything's wrong initially because this's really frantic. Man went into playll's office to get his work back. It was presumably rejected just runs out sobbing and crying and then stumbling out of the building and was like oh it's fine. It's fine and the secretary comes out. There's been a murder and we get a literal mob chasing him. Through the through the back alleys of Paris until as night falls he manages to make his escape into the sewers and make his way back into the opera house. Ah throughout this period. You know the the police begin investigation which obviously brings in Raul. In his role as the as the chief inspector of the suto tech um or a a chief inspector I don't think he's the chief inspector yada yada yada um, and ah Raul and Ana Toll Garon the ah the other lead man of the film are they they sort of. 01:01:39.83 Cameron Get to know each other they come to get come to know each other because Anatollle is helping Christine rehearse because obviously her singing tutor is no longer available because her patron hasn't paid for lessons recently and Raul comes in to question her because in klaan's quarters. They found a. Extremely detailed bust of Christine ah, which anatoll recognizes as one he sculpted and was going to give to her as a present. Um as this sort of tangled web. But this introduces my absolute favorite element of the film which is Raul and anatoll. Sort of riffing off of each other. Ah this sort of I mean courtship must have been monstrously difficult at the time. It's it's all nothing but implication and extreme like societal politeness and they play around this in the scene so perfectly. It's incredibly funny to watch them take this most subtle digs at each other as you know like I'm a detective but. Quite often. The detective overlooks things as he's you know, walked in on his um, essentially his girlfriend with a strange man. He doesn't know sitting right next to each other at a piano singing to each other's faces and he's gone. Don't know about this and this sort of back and forth sort of witty dialogue. 01:03:08.14 Cameron Is really really fun. Um, and then as they both go to leave um, you know, ah Ral just has to go do some stuff but obviously wants anatoll out of there so says is that your carriage out the front like certainly do you need a ride. It's like yes, yes, well, which way are you going I'm going to is like it doesn't matter. My business in Paris is an officer of the law takes me anywhere I need to go isn sort of playing back all like you're coming with me if I'm leaving I'm looking you 2 alone and then when they get to the door they bump into each other both trying to go through a 1 ne-person door is like after you monsieur. Know after you and then they bump into each other again and rule the threes they do this another time and it just it's sort of a re returnring recover ah recurring motif throughout the film this sort of slightly prickly but very very polite rivalry. 01:03:59.40 Dave Um. 01:03:59.44 Cameron And over the course of the film. They actually grow much closer and get much warmer with each other but still maintain that sort of sparring of personalities and is really satisfying. It's really fun, see them constantly both ah thinking through the events Of. What's to come and both try and get their own solutions and both again Ribb at each other over it and like oh surely, you wouldn't think of this Oh Yada Yada Yeah yeah, Ah, they are both fantastic actors. They're really pushing it off and just they they look very similar. In in their their overall sort of they dress very differently obviously but they've got similar mustaches. They got similar shaped faces similar haircuts. They're very clearly meant to be the you know the the attractive fashionable man of the Era sort of archetype. 01:04:54.31 Dave Um. 01:04:54.86 Cameron Ah, but with the the very artsy sort of more garish and emotional take with anatoll and the much more reserved respectable take with Raoul and they play off each other so well. Um, and it continues on. Ah there is now a thief. Lurking in the opera house. Ah you know a few doors have been left open. Some food has been stolen including ah a barrel of pickled pigs feet which the the 2 owners of the opera. Also. Fantastic pair of ah pair of actors who play off each other one sort of very nasally and quiet until he needs to be very refined and the other ones sort of much more rambunctious like you know someone's broke into the opera house. They've stolen a costume and 2 masks like no no someone must have misplaced his like. And also they broke into the kitchen they stole a barrel of pigs feed aparthe and it has like this must be stopped called the police um man's got his priorities right? Obviously um, exactly there's like you know, ah ah thousands of dollars silk costume and masks are stolen. 01:05:55.54 Dave That was my favorite. 01:06:06.56 Cameron He doesn't care that the ham goes missing. My man is ready for X Yeah exactly? Um, and in addition in this scene that you know they are sort of naturally talking through. Well there's a thief in the Opera house. Yeah. 01:06:09.82 Dave I Tried the line at the Pigles's bigs feet. Yeah. 01:06:25.72 Cameron If he wanted to hide probably it'd be incredibly difficult to find him but we'll we'll go to a check and he goes and um the one of the owners master keys has also been stolen at which point. They essentially give up on their idea of ever catching. Whoever's broken in because as they say there's you know, two and a half thousand rooms and two and a half thousand doors to hide behind. Um. Like you you could send the entire police force of Paris in here and they would not be able to find someone who was trying to hide and they really play that up like um, Claudine here is not supernatural at all. He is just a man who knows the space. Incredibly well like he's he's worked and lived here 20 years yeah Yeah, exactly and so the the sort of subtle horror of this is the idea of someone who could be literally anywhere. 01:07:09.45 Dave Um, yeah I mean he's been there for 20 years or whatever. 01:07:24.85 Cameron In the building and can move around more or less unseen and they they really do play into that which is fantastic. Um, they they have an upcoming performance that evening. Ah and a. Threatening letters received that Christine must be the one to take the lead role of ah Mademoiselle bianca oli they of course ignore it what twaddle what nonsense and so um, this is where the thousands of the cast of thousands claim really starts coming in because. We get a set. We get a set shot of um everyone preparing for the performance. You know there's probably like upwards of 200 people on screen at any 1 time and they are going off screen coming back on screen different people are going off and coming back on and back and forth and back and forth. Ah, and. And opera is an incredibly busy production and in the middle of it. You can barely notice someone coming in and slipping something into a goblet in the center of the stage again that that horror of someone who's so natural in that space. And can blend in so easily. Um is is really fantastic and they begin the performance. The leading lady bianca roli does her opening Aria and then as part of the performance takes a sip from a goblet walks offstage and promptly passes out. She's being drugged. 01:08:54.35 Cameron Ah, this is this is a terrible things we have to do something well her understudy must step up who is Christine Dubois she steps up. She is an absolute sensation adored for her performance by the critics in the crowd and then we get the um. 01:09:12.74 Cameron The fantastic divasine wherein Bianca Roli says I've been drugged I know exactly who did it. It was anatoll got on because he wanted that that little hassi Christine Dubois to be the star and co-star with him. It's all he's ever wanted. Ya yeah, you can see it on the face I demand they'd be arrested I was drugged. Drugged I say near to death when she passed out for 10 minutes and had a mild stomachache afterwards. Ah, and um, again sort of getting role involved as well is like why won't you arrest these 2 people clearly they must have done it clearly clearly everyone knows is like well. Hearsay is not evidence. Um, which is the the point where I think role and anatolls sort of start to warm up to each other because confronting this obnoxious person who all they do is yell and screaming about how things have to go their way. Um, is kind of ah, kind of a bonding moment. Ah, would say everyone's had that you confront someone very obnoxious and go you know what? you're not so bad person who I have a mild disagreeing went with it could always be worse but she insists that if this whole incident is to just be forgotten. The whole incident must be forgotten write to the critics. They're not allowed to mention Christine's name in any of the papers as like what what you want us to write to the public and tell them to ignore the fact that Christine Duboi was a sensation last science style. Yes I expect that real real diva material. 01:10:46.70 Cameron And so they have to hatch a plan to get clawudine. Everyone knows it is Claudan which is again the interest take there's the phantom of the opera but everyone knows exactly who it is is like eri klaudan he was a member for 20 years he was fired and the next day he snapped and murdered someone. And he's been on the run ever since there's someone broken into the eyebrows. It has to be him. We just were not able to catch him. Um the the mystery is you know what will he do next? What will happen next? um, etc and you. 01:11:21.93 Cameron Late that night biancaroli and her maid are in their quarters and the maid is going to put away 1 of her costumes and notices the curtain to the wardrobe twitching and cladan is there because he can be anywhere in the building that he wants gives them sort of a final ultimatum this is where we first see him in like the full phantom outfit that this. Beautiful sort of velvet cloak with a red satin lining and a gray half mask completely covering the upper face and nose is it's really quite striking on the poster. It looks green for some reason it's not. It's gray. Um I guess that's the technicolor advertisements. 01:11:58.34 Dave Um, yeah, yeah I think that they were like my ah do dual tone. 01:12:00.47 Cameron For you. Ah. 01:12:04.90 Cameron And yeah I can see that. Yeah, um, yeah, it gives that gives her sort of the final ultimatum of bi roller you need to leave Paris now you're not going to perform in the lead every again. Christinas she's my angel of music etc is like um. 01:12:23.70 Cameron Biancaroli being a diva does not take kindly this and goes to strike him and ah he he snaps again. He murders biancaroli and her maid and flees down a corridor as so as people flock to the screams and so we get the we get the scene of cloudan fleeing and atoll following him. And then Raul ah a few steps behind chasing after anatoll who looks like he's fleeing the scene and again this incredibly intricate set where it is like a full-on replica of this ancient. Parisian opera house is incredible. There's there's these enormous long hauls that are like fully kitded out. They've got the you know incredible carpet the all the wall cladding is perfect. That's furnishing everywhere and then you transition into like a stone. Um, undecorated backstage area and these rickety iron spiral staircases and things like that and it's incredible like the the detail and the amount of the amount of um passage space allowed or. In this building is really well represented like there's walkways everywhere overhead There's like a cable forest basically of ropes and pulleys which you know you can climb up through and all kinds of things. This is this incredible space and then there are. 01:13:54.41 Cameron Maintenance path paths and walkways throughout the entire ceiling of the building and they're really showing off the the maze-like quality of this set. Um I'm going to keep saying. It's awesome and just do my best to describe it. But for people you should go watch this film. It's great. It's really funny and witty and it's. Got an incredible set which I will keep harping on about um eventually anatoll loses him up in the ceiling somewhere and the row catcher like didn't you you see him. Ah, anaols is like didn't you see him didn you see that Phantom at the opera like no I was chasing you. 01:14:30.47 Cameron Because it was incredibly suspicious. The way you were running away from a murdered lady's bedroom. Um, but again, no no hard evidence on anatoll there so they they maintain that ah professional relationship and don't arrest him but they come up with a plan to deal with. Ah, claw down once or for all they are going to put on another show the next night they have to the opera needs to keep going and the sensationalism of the news is definitely drawing people in they won't put Christine in the lead as ah, as was demanded and this will lure him out to act. And they'll have officers both amongst the cast and the audience ready to spring and if that fails in the at the end of the act they'll have Fran's list come in and play the concerto. Ah, to sort of lure him out as 1 last attraction and so they they spring into action. They've got their two separate plans. Anatoll's plan being the cachurdo rails plan being fill fill this fill this opera house with policemen hope for the best. Um then. Ah. Clouddan sneaks in kills one of the officers who were assigned to guard the backstage area like strangles him again and um steals his mask and cloak similar the ones he was already wearing and as it becomes apparent that Christine is not the lead lady here. 01:16:00.52 Cameron He goes up into the ceiling with a hacksaw and spends the better half of the performance soaring away at the great chain that holds this enormous chandelier above the audience and this has been really well set up for every few shots of an opera going on. They have the camera pulled back So that this enormous chandelier is in the right of the frame and it looks weighty and heavy and it has significance but it's never made more. Super like prominently they don't zoom in on Menacingly they're like oh there's a space up there. Someone could be. They're just like here's the Opera House. It's got this incredible chandelier bring your attention to the chandelier for a few moments and move on with whatever scene they were doing. And then here we have the chandelier beginning to sway throughout the performance as he continues to soar away at the chain um rawell discovers that one of the officers has been slain. They start this man hunt through the backstage because they assume. 01:17:05.23 Cameron Claudan is going to attempt to kill the leading lady and so they are taken quite by surprise when the chandelier falls from the ceiling crashes into the audience presumably killing several people. Um, it's a 1940 s film. They don't linger in on it. There's no gore or anything. Um, but you see like a brief split second shot shot of like an arm reaching out from under the chandelier I think and then everyone runs for their lives because I would do that's terrifying and in the confusion one of Raole's officers gets Christine to follow him like this way I'll get you somewhere safe. Ah, and then immediately that obviously that's not at off so that's cclod on. He's gotten backstage um shoves her through an iron gate into into sort of um, a sewer access area and we finally get down into the the maze of the sewers Claudan. Explains you know he's always loved Christine. He's always cared for and sacrificed for her over the whole last two years she's been here at the opera um, and now she can sing as much as she likes. She can be the leading lady as much as she likes but only for him only for him here in their um, dark little grotto. You'll learn to love the dark. it's smooth and embracing and it's gentle you know we don't need the light in our lives. He's he's gone full like um, kind of like the penguin in the in the Tim Burton Batman almost like he's he's fully adapted to sewer life. 01:18:35.25 Dave So. 01:18:40.39 Cameron But within like the span of a week. He's he's really into it. He's he's managed to drag an old piano down here and he's got his barrel full of pigs feet and other various foods all set up. Um. 01:18:56.95 Cameron And you know he's like you know you'll love it. You'll get. You'll get to know it and then up above the the show's being finished but anatole decides they got a press on um, Fran's list starts playing ah clod ans concerto. And you hear it filtering down because you know there's there's plenty of open spaces for sound to pass through here and he's my music my he sits down at his piano and begins playing along as best he can with his partially frozen left hand and insists that Christine sing along and she actually does know the music. Um, because as she explains later this entire concerto is based off of that tune from provence which claude I knew but also Christine knows because she was born in provence. Um, never knew her father anything like that. Um. And it's like why would he write? Why would he write a concertor based around the the tune from my he's like well he was also from provenance etc. Etc is that that area where that original script was clearly he was going to be her father her long Lastst father meets the we can't do that this is meant to be a romantic horror. 01:20:04.66 Dave Ah, yeah. 01:20:08.94 Cameron And they leave that ambiguity of were they both just born in the same area is this ah is this something more is this something less. Um, but as she becomes the angel of music and sings for him. Raul and anatoll are um, getting down in the sewers themselves in pursuit and. 01:20:28.79 Cameron Ah, they actually use the sound of the music to track down through the maze to where they believe um Claudan and Christine should be and here we get the the longest setup which is anatoll has a sword. Rawell has a gun because he's a police officer. Um ah Rao lines up a perfect shot on Claudan and as they both attempt to go through the door at the same time. Ah Anatoll bumps into him as he's done so multiple times previously in the film as they've attempted to go through doors. Ah. Hits him in the elbow and his shot fires up into the ceiling which causes a cave in. Um, yeah, there's not not well maintained down here. Um, they grab Christine and flee the underground and cloudine is presumably crushed to death under a pile of rubble. Um, his sort of final shot is the half mask and the violin lying together in the rubble um in what is actually again quite ah, quite a beautiful little shot and then you know ah quite a while later the stories conclude. You know the killers being well not caught, but. Taking care of um peace has being restored to the opera and Christine is a massive star seeing as the the other leading lady is dead. There's no one to compete for her space. Um Claudine sort of got his wish in the end Christine became ultra famous and anaol and um. 01:22:03.96 Cameron Raul are both still vying for her affection and both ask her to go out to the cafe de lobra that evening for supper. Ah, and they they say it's come to a point now you have to choose between us neither us neither us going to set this going on any longer and. At this point. Um, they're they're all together in her dressing room. They offer her the same bouquet of flowers. They picked out the exact same bouquet each and her her adoring fans are waiting outside eagerly to you know meet her talk to her get signatures and that kind of thing and she looks at them both as. If you'll excuse me and she rushes off and she chooses her career over marriage. Ah and which good for her and then leads to my favorite conclusion in any film I've watched recently which is anatoll and rae both look a little defeated. And then Raoul looks down at ah Anatoll sorry looks around and says well I have a seat free at the table of cafe de operara if you would like to join me for supper. Ah and he says you know I would be delighted. They both go to the drawer to the dining room dressing room. Bump into each other trying to go through the door. Um, after you muzia. No after you bump into each other again and then instead of doing that and bump into each other a third time ah roll offers his arm to anatoll who takes it. 01:23:30.46 Cameron Ah, they they sort of link their arms in the traditional loving style and walk off together and that's how the movie ends in this sort of I'm assuming absolutely at the time played for laughs but in a more modern context kind of sweet potentially romantic ending there for The. Ah, the male rivals of the film. Um, yeah, Absolutely um, yeah overall I cannot overstate the sheer beauty of some of the sets costumes shots of this film. But it's also at times quite tense. 01:23:51.81 Dave Um, yeah I mean that's that's definitely how it would be read. 01:24:09.13 Cameron Times Quite sweet and tender and just really funny. A lot of the time as Well. It's really really well done I had a rollicking great time watching it I Really heartily recommend it to people I know I've talked through the whole thing but it's it's Phantom of the offer you already knew. Most of the plot going in if you've ever seen and or read any other Phantom of the opera or adaptation thereof you know, Ah, it's It's really fantastic. 01:24:41.14 Dave Yeah, it sounds like both of these hewed pretty close to the source material and then just had their own little spins on it I will say that the set um the set pieces in the one I watched were. 01:24:45.55 Cameron Um, yeah. 01:24:56.77 Dave Everything was very wet So all of the catacombs Mostly it just looked moist in an unpleasant way. Um, it was. It was very dark but the transfer was good. 01:24:56.77 Cameron So yeah, we Okay, yeah yeah. 01:25:13.94 Dave Ah, so whatever, they whatever they did with the masters to the Blu-ray Release which is what I watched um, it's not muddy. It's clear. It's just. 01:25:14.20 Cameron Okay. M. 01:25:27.74 Dave So it's well lit as far as like the camera's concerned so you can see everything. It's just dark like that's the palette and the music The the score itself is really good. So the soundtrack is good. Um. 01:25:29.67 Cameron So yeah, yeah, okay so. 01:25:42.74 Cameron Mm yes. 01:25:45.97 Dave On this one. Ah and they really only they play like the Don 1 triumphant and a few that's a little loud a few times they play it. it's it's blasting so I think that's just down to the arrangement like it's just a loud piece. 01:25:53.23 Cameron Yes. 01:26:03.40 Cameron And. 01:26:05.58 Dave Because it's a triumphant town trail but it's not done one moodily like going off into the night yeah no it's a blasting piece. So. 01:26:10.33 Cameron Yeah, Don Don 1 introverted 01:26:20.44 Dave Um I I enjoyed that I I did enjoy listening to I think this is one of the first of the few times where um, you're only getting snippets of the opera so you get a bit of faust. Ah but I was like. 01:26:30.95 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:26:35.46 Dave Think it's because of the singer I could listen to it and I don't know italian but I can I can get some of it so I could I was like this is the first time I've listened to an opera and went oh I kind of know what they're saying. 01:26:39.69 Cameron Um, yeah I mean that's the draw of opera. Yeah, yeah, that's that's the big part of it like because. Everything is sung. They had to work hard to make sure like the the coordination of the actors and also just the music itself conveyed things clearly because if you can't hear the words clearly or you don't speak the language you still need to be able to sort of get the point which is the fun part of Opera. So. 01:27:14.12 Dave Um, yeah, and I mean I'm always you can see visually what's going on but in this I like no I can actually and I think I've got what she's said like the actual lyrics like I can I can kind of understand them and it's just down to. 01:27:16.33 Cameron Threaten. Yeah, yeah, yeah, good All romantic language. 01:27:29.34 Dave Ah, yeah, and it's down to like the enunciation of the actress like the way it's It's very clear I I can see when the words are happening because if I'm listen if I'm just listening to something and it's just like the very few times. It's. 01:27:33.87 Cameron Um, very clear good. 01:27:39.43 Cameron And. 01:27:48.82 Dave Maybe been a Cd or a tape or something. It's like I don't it's they're not clear. It's hard for me to hear it but seeing someone and like kind of she's not fully overselling it So I can see. 01:27:49.55 Cameron Yeah, yeah, so. 01:28:03.16 Cameron And. 01:28:08.45 Dave I Don't know the mouth movements are matching a little bit more versus someone just full like chest singing I mean it's like they're projecting. They have to project so much because there's not like microphones. Um. 01:28:11.36 Cameron Um, yeah, yeah. 01:28:19.20 Cameron Yeah, yeah, exactly they got to really push. 01:28:26.89 Dave And yeah and I think this is one of the ones where it's like oh is it this a particular opera. It's um in Italian I'm like okay I can get that some of the other ones they're in German or I I don't I don't know. 01:28:35.15 Cameron The. 01:28:40.72 Cameron So yeah, a. 01:28:46.78 Dave It's the the words don't lend themselves to being stretched so far. But yeah I um I enjoyed the one I watched I I wouldn't say it's a good movie. It's fun. 01:28:49.63 Cameron Yeah. 01:28:57.22 Cameron M. 01:29:03.44 Cameron And. 01:29:05.90 Dave Ah, it's it's worth watching in in in this way like in contrast to like maybe watch this and then watch like the Gerard Butler one like I wouldn't say go through the way around. Um. 01:29:14.40 Cameron Yeah, no. 01:29:19.43 Dave I Mean that's not a masterpiece either. But it's very bombastic. Yeah yeah, and I've seen that recently um, in preparation for doing all of this actually. But um I. 01:29:21.96 Cameron It. It's a competent film. You know it does what it needs to do and it has spectacle. Yeah yeah. 01:29:38.50 Dave I Don't think in hindsight that looking at this movie. You can see what they wanted to do with it and you can see where it went like a little off the rail maybe but it's still it's fine. Um, again by virtue of it having been in the box office that. 01:29:43.28 Cameron Yeah. 01:29:58.18 Dave Hurts movies like this whereas they it didn't become like a cult classic or anything whereas you get something that if it just really goes for it. You'll get um the fan of with Paradise where that is a cult classic. 01:29:58.67 Cameron Yeah, so. No yeah. 01:30:11.30 Cameron Yeah, just because it's so ridiculous. 01:30:17.63 Dave Yes, fair and what was what was what what was fun was that particular movie was on the um trail the reels. Um, when I watch this? yeah and I've I've I haven't seen that one I'm like familiar with it just from. 01:30:21.63 Cameron Button. 01:30:27.81 Cameron Oh plant. Yeah. 01:30:36.93 Dave The internet association I guess I don't know um, but watching the trets like oh yeah I I may have probably seen it when I was a kid or something but ah, it's like oh yeah I would watch that that looks ridiculous and great. 01:30:46.51 Cameron Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 01:30:55.25 Dave But bad mostly because the the trader was just really hamming it up. It's like you get everything. It's a rock opera you get grease and you good. You know it's just going all in on it. 01:31:06.76 Cameron Um, yeah, yeah. 01:31:09.54 Dave I'm watching it going like it just feels like rocky horror picture show. But the fan tap the the phantdom yeah like okay that mean that yeah I can be here for that. This looks ridiculous. Yeah, but. 01:31:12.66 Cameron But which yeah, not bad. 01:31:19.18 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 01:31:27.57 Dave Yeah, these are fun. They're fun. They're fun movies. A fun template to see what people do with it. Um, yeah. 01:31:29.30 Cameron Mm Yeah, absolutely, it's it's a cultural icon of a story. So. It's always interesting to see which bits are touched and which bits are not in each adaptation because everyone does it. Just that little bit differently whether it's you know, including more overtly supernatural stuff for adding in an extra lead man things like that like there's there's always some interesting take on it. 01:32:00.46 Dave Yeah, and you can kind of see where like maybe the sympathies of the writers lie like if I I want to cast Raul's character Richard or you know win this meditation. 01:32:08.50 Cameron So. 01:32:16.83 Dave Like I want to put them in a better more favorable light like they're sometimes Raoul is not sympathetic and just like ah he's just really after Christine for his own end whereas in this one actually is like oh no du this guy. He's fine. He's. 01:32:21.46 Cameron Um, yeah, yes, yeah yeah. 01:32:35.18 Dave Not being weirdly possessive. Um, he just gets a audio and gets stabbed and burned okay didn't he didn't make it um but for being the dude that like owns the company and like yeah maybe you shouldn't be trying to marry the. 01:32:38.93 Cameron Um, yeah, yeah. 01:32:48.81 Cameron But the employees it's a bit weird. 01:32:53.84 Dave Up-and- coming employee. Yeah, that's a weird. Um, but I I liked his take on the raul. Um, that was fun. 01:33:04.96 Cameron Yeah. 01:33:10.95 Dave I Wish there was more I Wish the movie did more with him and I wish there was more with davies is it's real weird. You give someone such an iconic like design a fun character look and then you just don't do anything with it. It's like okay right. 01:33:14.28 Cameron So. 01:33:20.15 Cameron And. Yeah, yeah. 01:33:29.54 Dave Um, I wanted to tell me show me Davi's story I want to number about that. It's like don't don't make your side characters too interesting because if they're not given enough screen time or too much screen time but no development. 01:33:44.87 Cameron And. 01:33:46.54 Dave Then you're left to go in like oh why weren't they just the main character like they didn't spend enough time with them or as if it's just a one off and they just like oh that's just ah's a quirky character in the background that now people can write fan fiction about or something. Yeah. 01:33:50.41 Cameron But yeah. 01:34:01.76 Cameron I Yeah vote for. But. 01:34:05.60 Dave Like that could just be me I Just really keyed in on this one dude because his his hair was just like what is going on. He has this distinctive facial scar but it's in his hairline and it's it's not it's makeup like you can tell it's not like ah quirk. 01:34:13.50 Cameron A. Yes, yeah. 01:34:23.99 Dave Ah, the actor. So yeah, well it was really very surprising and wonderful really to just see um both for 1 robert england without makeup because that's rare except in like the v series he used. 01:34:37.29 Cameron Yeah. 01:34:41.99 Dave Doesn't he doesn't often at the time wasn't known for his just his face. Um, and then just seeing Bill Nye like oh yeah, he was a good looking dude. 01:34:46.56 Cameron And. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:35:00.58 Dave But yeah I think that that's I think that'll wrap us up for this episode. We will be back in the future with more Phantom Um I don't know what else is on the immediate pipeline. We've got stuff kind of going on so we'll see. 01:35:03.30 Cameron Button. 01:35:12.44 Cameron Yeah, we'll figure it out. Okay. 01:35:18.39 Dave What we will come up with um and it might just be a surprise. We may not have a way to let you know? um Twitter's going haywire so well, we'll figure something else out. Um, the. 01:35:21.86 Cameron So yeah, yep, ah it's going through some changes. Yep. 01:35:34.78 Dave The link to the discord will probably be back in the show notes again and we'll try to keep the community running that way for anyone that wants to pop in as if you would like to pop on as a guest as listeners. Let just let us know well. 01:35:36.82 Cameron And. 01:35:52.19 Cameron Yeah, yeah, exactly. Ah. 01:35:52.84 Dave Contact info was always in the show notes and we can schedule something but um, yeah, so we'll do the admin wrap up ah cameron where can folks find you on the Andrewwes That's temporarily for now and then I don't know. 01:36:07.53 Cameron Yeah, yeah, um, so you can find me on Twitter while it exists at night underscore Twitter that's night without a k you can find me on Tumblr at swarby dash blogs. Um. I've just recently reacted that reactivated that after about 11 years man that's a weird experience I may or may not be very active. There. You can find me on cohost.org under swarby eight d because that's where all the cool kids seem like they might be going. Ah again. Knows how how active I'll be on that it mostly depends on whether or not Twitter burns to the ground over the next couple of weeks. Um, where can we find you Dave. 01:36:54.75 Dave Yeah, ah on Twitter as usual for now at cyntina underscore plus um also on cohost and I think I just put it send plus which is fair again, you can find me in place I think you can Google that and it's probably me. 01:36:57.58 Cameron And that. 01:37:04.71 Cameron Okay, yeah, yeah, fair. 01:37:12.75 Dave Um, you can shoot me a message if it's messageable in wherever you may find that and I'll let you know if it's me, you just bring up the podcast and if I say something weird. It's probably not me or if I don't know what you're talking about. Um, yeah. 01:37:16.99 Cameron Yeah. 01:37:30.35 Dave And Leonard you can find on again. Dr Faust is dead. You just search that you'll find him. Ah Youtube he's doing more stuff so more things coming down the pipeline. Um, they look fun and. 01:37:36.71 Cameron Yeah Umbernox productions near he is is good too. 01:37:48.14 Dave Scp Slash that style it's it's good. Yeah. 01:37:49.74 Cameron So ish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:37:56.78 Dave Yeah, so we'll talk to you next time when you hear from us. Ah all right? Well good night and goodbye our angels of the music. Um. 01:38:02.44 Cameron Yeah, catch you on the flip side. 01:38:15.67 Cameron Sing for me see everyone Oh man. 01:38:16.96 Dave Yes, five five folks