03:28.52 Dave I'm your host Dave and I am joined today by Leonard and Cameron we are back. It's been a minute like a month or so Cameron Cameron you survived you you you took the helm for a bit. 03:34.55 Cameron So well. Yeah, it's been a little while yay like like a week here and there I also managed to catch tons like this we we skipped an episode here and there yeah but I made it through and now i'm. 03:47.30 Dave Um, yeah, that's not great that was last week So I'm glad you're feeling better. 03:53.79 Cameron Back to work in like two days hooray back to the grind that'll be all right? Meanwhile you 2 had much more interesting time than me. How are both of you doing. 03:54.54 Dave Yeah, we know how that goes. 04:06.54 Dave Um, I'm I'm here I'm alive this last week has been horrendous is work is just not been great. Um, otherwise yeah I'm doing I'm never pretty good I got married. We're all. 04:11.43 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 04:19.69 Cameron Yeah, yeah, nothing else. Yes, you are next in line. 04:23.23 Dave We're all married here and Leonard caught a bouquet. 04:27.87 Leonard I mean I was I I was handed one by virtue of elimination since everybody else was married in the room. Um, so like caught was like. 04:36.86 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 04:39.67 Dave Her successes. 04:42.59 Leonard There was no chance involved in that gay that that's true I didn't I didn't I didn't jump out the window to ah to avoid it. This is true. Um, yes I've gay yeah run rundown. 04:42.85 Cameron Yeah, but you didn't you didn't physically avoid the book. 04:54.55 Cameron So you Knowala would have caught you. So yeah. 04:59.50 Dave Um, yeah, um. 05:01.72 Leonard Ah, Kung fu hustle style and got me before I land. 05:04.76 Cameron Um. 05:07.37 Dave Um, yeah, something like that would have happened I'm sure. Um, yeah. 05:09.72 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 05:12.10 Leonard Um, I mean I've now performed the marriage. Ah now I need to perform a ah, a funeral and a baptism and then I level. Ah. 05:14.62 Cameron Yes, you do a great job. 05:26.31 Dave Do you gain you gain like remote skill you can perform things at a further distance. 05:26.85 Cameron Um I want Yeah I think that's it how works. Yeah yeah I Just like yeah and it's not a mystical power that you just get the authorization to do it over a webcam instead of having to be there in person. 05:28.49 Leonard Question Mark yeah, exactly literally. 05:40.70 Leonard Exact exactly it's like 1 of those idol games I waited long enough and I had enough manna in order to perform the wedding are the the baptism and the funeral. 05:44.37 Cameron I. 05:57.39 Cameron For two forty nine you could perform this ceremony right away now I'll wait. 06:03.10 Leonard Right now for Nine Ninety Nine I can remove the ads from my funerals and baptisms. Ah, ah, ah. 06:07.95 Cameron This wedding this wedding brought you by rage-shadow legends. 06:08.22 Dave There are. 06:15.37 Cameron Oh that's real bad that's going to happen in like 10 years and I'm gonna feel really bad for putting that into the world I god I'm sorry oh that's not. 06:18.95 Leonard Oh oh man that and now that you've put it into the world. Somebody's writing up the copy right now. 06:31.17 Dave Gettings. Yeah. 06:34.66 Cameron Yeah, it's not the worst thing I've had to think about these last couple of. 06:37.31 Dave No no. 06:37.49 Leonard Yeah, speaking of terrible things weren't we covering today. 06:43.61 Dave We are covering willow the Tv series which is a spinoff a spinoff. It's like a what's the thing a sequel to the movie. There's a direct sequel to the movie and it. 06:45.57 Cameron Yes, is this a continuation sql. 06:57.15 Leonard It's a literally. It's literally a direct sequel to the movie. 07:02.98 Cameron Um, now hold on. Yeah yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, now I Want to point out Len You set it direct sql. 07:03.65 Dave It's it's overriding the canon of the trilogy that was written in like 9091 I think 07:16.90 Cameron I've watched more of this show than either of you. It feels like we missed another movie in between the original film at this show. There's so much. 07:24.90 Leonard Um, ah oh I I But I I believe you. 07:25.90 Dave Oh there wasn't 2020 years passing in between the 2 things. 07:31.35 Leonard Well. 07:32.98 Cameron There's 20 years passing in between the 2 things. But also there's just 50 concepts that they name and expect you to understand what they are and why I didn't read the the world building manuscript. The scriptwriters got I don't know what's going on here. 07:44.77 Leonard Oh you mean the thing that didn't exist and that they didn't take into account even if it did because hey Cameron remember Willow the film was baby's first d and d campaign where the d him decided to not write any. 07:51.27 Cameron I mean. 08:03.18 Leonard Learn World War whatsoever. 08:06.85 Cameron Yep yep, they've they've kept that proud tradition of I'm going to take a name or a place now I'm going to say it like we all know what it means and we're all going to Nod and the scene is going to continue. No one is going to ask who the litch is. 08:17.89 Leonard Um, yes, well well to be fair, nobody should know who the lich is since it's not named unless you're watching it with subtitles on. So. 08:23.58 Cameron Do not talk about the ledch. Yeah, but those exist those are um, those are diagetic subtitles everyone sees those. 08:33.39 Leonard There's that. Okay, yeah. 08:40.79 Dave Yeah, so the the novels were um, written by Klis Chris Claremont and they are the the chronicles of the shadow war. Um I've read. 08:42.50 Cameron So. 08:56.34 Dave The first book and I think snippets of the second one they came out in ninety five ninety six and then the third ones in 2000 um these they're not great, but they're a post-apocalyptic. 09:03.16 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 09:15.96 Dave Willow as the titular character doing main character things and being kind of a wizard a little bit more than here a lot more than here he does actual magic constantly? Um, and it's. 09:25.11 Cameron And. 09:34.31 Dave Oh it's like I don't want to say it's not like game of thrones. What is the other um I'm not even saying in the book. It's ah just totally blanking the dude Joe ammbro Andro Crombie Andro Carmby the um 09:39.90 Cameron Or. 09:50.89 Cameron Oh yeah, um, Nope that they're gone somewhere that. Yeah. 09:54.56 Dave Freaking I can't think of the name of the books the law the law trilogy. It's like that or more maybe like um ah the black company books. Yeah, it's more. It's. 10:08.29 Cameron So ah yeah I do ah do like black company. Um. 10:13.61 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay yeah, the the the first law is the Abercrombie Books yeah 10:14.33 Dave Grim dark I guess is is is what those books are doing. Um, yeah, the first law. Yes, yeah, did I don't know why it's basedd on that I have it's been a Wasson's I read them. But um, it's kind of like that. Ah. 10:27.33 Cameron I Mean so yeah. 10:34.00 Dave But in ah in a way where like Willow. Um, everyone's dead and he's tasked with like ah picking up a lord and and who's ah, a petulant teenager. 10:48.24 Cameron Yeah. 10:52.89 Dave And she can still save the world from the the apocalypse he has Proc So there's stuff going on. That's like they picked up in the Tv show but died they ran with it completely differently. Um, and he's. 10:59.91 Cameron Yeah. 11:04.33 Leonard Yep. 11:09.66 Dave He's willow if Willow was like aorn gandallf he's like hard bitten and it's yeah, it's it's different I'm ah trying to like explain it without it's I can't because. 11:16.12 Cameron Ah, oh man. Ah I kind of want that. 11:23.60 Leonard Um, he he's not willow as mad max since it's post apocalypse. 11:31.40 Dave Um, kind of not really because so will um, Willow isn't strong enough like as a name and an identity and so he had to rebrand himself as. 11:37.50 Cameron I. 11:44.18 Leonard Ah, okay, ah, ah, all right? Cool cool. So this is this is this is what we're dealing with ah okay, cool. 11:45.25 Cameron All right? Oh my. Oh my God Oh my god. 11:48.29 Dave Thorn because it's stronger name and to it's that kind of yeah but it's enjoyable in ah in ah in in in a of that era. 11:58.44 Cameron So cool. Yeah yeah. 12:04.88 Leonard Um, it when when were these books written again. Okay so it is somebody roughly of our of you and I dave's age bracket who watched Willow as a kid. 12:06.83 Dave 95 12:13.39 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 12:19.66 Leonard And then turned into a teenager and they were like hey there's a market if we just make willow really really edging. 12:24.85 Dave Um, well Chris Clammons he's not he is um, he's older. He's like George Lucas age oh yeah yeah for sure now he. 12:31.83 Cameron All. 12:33.74 Leonard Oh yeah, I know but like for marketability like all all these ah all these kids watched it. But now they're all edgy teenagers in the 90 s so let's. 12:41.28 Dave Yeah I guess to give that more context Chris Chris Claremont wrote um uncanny xman from 75 to ninety one so that's his like that was he was coming from that. Um, so the books don't feel. 12:49.20 Leonard Okay. 12:50.31 Cameron Ah, yeah. 12:56.10 Cameron Um. 13:00.33 Dave Comic bookie um, but that's the demographic. He's used to writing for I think is the thing ah and he he's a he's a dafting because Lucas again had a story. 13:01.92 Cameron Um, yeah, right? yeah. 13:03.30 Leonard Right. 13:18.56 Dave Already all drafted and um it was adapted like 2 people adapted it. It was like you know it's a second person like going over and going well I can do something with this and um, yeah, it's it's not. 13:20.62 Leonard Um, me. 13:37.71 Dave It's not bad, but it's not it's it's it's the era where stuff was a little bit too long like you don't need to have a 300 page like it ends up being almost almost a thousand page epic thing that didn't really like need it to be that padded. 13:41.95 Leonard it's it's George Lucacy Okay. 13:44.37 Cameron Yeah. 13:53.70 Leonard But. 13:54.10 Cameron Yeah. 13:57.39 Dave Yeah, there's a lot of there's some cool stuff. There's some cool lower the um the the demon dogs. Yeah, the demon dogs. So yeah, they um are are people that have been twisted by Dark magic. Um, and. 14:03.20 Leonard Yes, Devil dogs. 14:03.55 Cameron So. 14:16.75 Dave Willow's first apprentice was kidnapped and it reads like what they were doing with Eric like he's kidnapped by the dark forces and he's um, implanted with like the one I think it's a crystal or something that turns you into one of those. 14:18.48 Cameron And. 14:22.48 Leonard Okay. 14:34.40 Leonard Okay. 14:34.31 Cameron The button. 14:34.96 Dave Dogs. It's a curt. It's like a magic curse and it it transforms him and so now he's like hunting willow. It's there's a lot more fun like there's more I don't know a plot and things going on anyway, nothing to do with the Tv series but like yeah. 14:40.81 Leonard Right. 14:45.25 Cameron So yeah. 14:50.40 Leonard Nope. 14:52.43 Dave I read I started reading that in preparation for the Tv series launching and I'm going. Okay, yeah, they could like if they adapted this like you could do something with it like this is still enter. This is entertaining. Um, and then that's not what we got. 14:54.92 Cameron Yeah. 15:06.35 Cameron No. 15:10.16 Dave That's this is not what they did ah they went a different direction with it maybe because it's Disney I don't know what happened a lot of things happened when Lucas lost the rights to stuff. 15:21.38 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 15:27.63 Dave Or didn't lose him but he like sold it. 15:27.76 Leonard Yeah, yeah, exactly yeah he didn't it didn't just fall out of this pocket into Disney's 15:33.49 Dave He didn't lose it. Yeah he he he? yeah it he gained something and it it was an exchange and so yeah, um, I went into this expecting that that book that Universe. Um, which was like a continuation of like the darker themes in the movie like the movie's not like it's not super kid friendly, really, especially like the whole middle where they're just walking. That's not kid friendly. Yeah. 15:51.52 Leonard Um. 15:53.96 Cameron Yeah, so. 15:56.34 Leonard Ah. 16:02.16 Cameron Yeah, no yeah. 16:03.89 Leonard No, no, no nor is it entertaining. Ah. 16:08.19 Dave Yeah, but like that when you have the um the Dragon Troll hybrid like that stuff's cool, but it's also real disturbing the way at the the way it um pans out. Yeah so that that kind of stuff is in the book like there's just a weird. 16:13.72 Cameron Martin. 16:15.60 Leonard Yep. Oh yeah, it's gross I Love it. 16:20.21 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 16:26.13 Dave Horrible things happening to people all the time and that's what I thought maybe they were going to do with the Tv series and they they did not at least I I will okay so we're covering episode 1 and 2 Um. 16:35.43 Cameron Yeah. 16:37.51 Leonard Now they didn't they did. 16:42.92 Cameron So yes, yeah, like I want to be clear I'm going to finish watching this show because I enjoy picking it apart with my wife. 16:45.75 Dave That's all we will be covering because we are in unanimous agreement that we don't enjoy watching this show. Um. 16:46.50 Leonard Here. 16:52.82 Leonard Nope. Same. 17:00.99 Cameron But I don't want to talk about it on this show? Yeah yeah. 17:01.75 Leonard No. 17:04.24 Dave Um, no because we're just MST three king it and it's not I think not even that like it's not even that I can't even enjoy doing that with this show. It's too long is the problem. 17:13.29 Leonard Now I I think out I think out of the 3 of us I'm the only one with the stomach to like actively like talk to somebody and record it to shit on a tv show like this. 17:13.34 Cameron Yeah, no, yeah, it was half hours 17:30.61 Cameron And. 17:32.44 Leonard Um, and ah, you guys are not the guys for me to do that with So we are not good nor is this the forum for us to do that too. 17:43.00 Dave That's that's the thing is I don't mind doing that. But that's not what we do on the show So we'll just not even that it has to be positive I Just need something to like work with and this isn't it. 17:47.00 Leonard Know we're a mostly positive show. We like to talk about things. He. 17:47.67 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 17:56.58 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 17:58.63 Dave Like we we've watched plenty of things and read stuff. That's just not. They're not great. Um, but there's something in them that we can like dig into this doesn't have that. 18:06.87 Leonard Yes, we we always try to be fair with the media that we cover on the show and. 18:07.56 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 18:14.24 Cameron Yes, yes. 18:15.35 Dave Yeah, and there's been times where we had terrible things and we were like we found enough things to go. Oh okay, yeah, maybe I'll reconsider that in my mind doesn't mean I'm going to rewatch it or whatever. But um I can come away from this having like developed. 18:22.67 Leonard Yes. 18:25.80 Cameron Yeah. 18:30.94 Dave And appreciation for someone else's appreciation of a thing like I see why you like that. Whatever it is yeah. 18:33.15 Cameron So button. Yeah yeah, all right willow episode 1 18:35.26 Leonard Um, yes. 18:43.68 Dave Um, yeah, well up one? Um, what the hell is going on in in the twenty years Twenty five years that have passed um in willow time not in real world time. Oh. 18:53.90 Leonard Ah, ah, um I Dave I just set to correct you. It's ah 200 moons thank you very much. 19:00.15 Cameron Oh God hold on. Yeah. 19:00.51 Dave Ah, yes, yeah, oh some lore some some exposition. We know that the the time is measured in moons. But what does that equivalent to we don't even know what that equates to. 19:07.50 Leonard Yeah I tried to do the math and none of it worked out and I said Nope not worth it. 19:07.22 Cameron So like fifteen and a half years yeah, like like if it if it if it matches up to earth full moon cycles. It's about fifteen and a half years but that that doesn't feel long enough for some of this stuff. 19:18.19 Dave Um, ah it wasn't 16 years in child time. 19:26.25 Leonard Um, okay, nope. 19:26.62 Dave Still not enough missing 10 years no 19:34.81 Cameron 20 years feels better. Oh god yeah, um, yeah, so ah, they yeah the the kingdom of Tyra lean was rejuvenated went through a renaissance and then entered its. Wall off the rest of the world phase real quickly. There's just there's just a giant soap bubble. Yeah, they did forget to wall off should we start with costume designs just get that out of the way. 19:55.80 Leonard Yep. 19:58.00 Dave Um, but they forgot to wall off the fashion. 19:59.48 Leonard Yes. 20:03.69 Dave Yeah, let's start with costume design because that's like that. That's what the show leads with it. It lets us know that there is no cohesive costume designer like everybody gets their own personal costume designer in this show. 20:08.90 Cameron Yeah. 20:17.69 Cameron Yes, there's man I mean that that's one way to use your budget. Ah God Yeah it it. It is like a grab bag of the original willow aesthetic which was this. 20:24.47 Dave Um, yeah. 20:33.42 Dave You know it's very broad. Yeah. 20:35.50 Cameron To be fair, very generic eighty s fantasy that was very broad. It's a grabbag of that with just random pieces of modern day clothing from the 90 s onwards thrown into the mix. Um I don't know what to make of it. 20:36.45 Leonard Yes. 20:49.88 Leonard Ah. 20:53.58 Cameron Honestly Beyond it just does not jell. 20:56.11 Leonard I Will just say this that um, um, the dyes that Terrace Leanne ah produces given the fantasy time period that this is set are amazing since they're all consistent and ah and cover everything. 21:01.63 Cameron So. 21:09.22 Cameron Um, yeah I. 21:13.57 Leonard Evenly because anything that is died in this show looks like it fell out of the forever 21 this is true. 21:23.30 Cameron I mean it might have got to save money somewhere. Ah. 21:30.52 Dave Um, well the the fashions themselves are they don't lend themselves to like a single culture. So I feel like tear lean. There's they're like Runway showcasing wealth. 21:37.52 Leonard Nope. 21:37.60 Cameron Yes, yeah why yeah um yeah I mean wherever and wherever unnamed country number 5 21:46.92 Dave Like hey we have the finest silks from whatever I don't I can't even think of and yeah, which could have they could have used that to go Oh you have the latest fashions from wherever and yes, you're name dropping but at least you're going. Okay. 21:55.29 Cameron Ah, yeah, yeah. 22:05.62 Dave We know that XYZ culture produces this sort of fashion. So like it's giving you something. 22:07.72 Cameron So yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's either that or like tear is lean was a nation with no people at the end of Willow the movie. 22:09.64 Leonard Yeah, no wait wait. 22:21.97 Cameron And this is like a result of 20 years of different diaspora of people not wanting to gel their different cultural dress and just all arguing over who should wear what for 20 years oh 22:33.41 Leonard To to go back to what Dave was saying but if they if they like use that to exposit then there would be exposition and as Cameron and I have covered there is no such thing as exposition in the world of willow. 22:42.23 Cameron I. And allergic to it. 22:53.44 Leonard Allergic. 22:55.51 Dave Yeah, that's what I wanted them to so like if you just give me that just just give me this little something and then I can. 22:56.52 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 23:06.44 Leonard Um, anything. 23:07.88 Dave Ah, not ignore this garish fashion. But at least I can understand why it's there. 23:12.34 Cameron Yeah, but then then even on the like the the import export side of things Ti is lean is literally in a bubble and every conversation about what's outside the bubble implies that it's mad Max universe out there. 23:28.73 Leonard Yep, so. 23:29.16 Cameron So I don't know where they're getting these fine silks from true. It is a very big bubble. It's like a full day's ride of a bubble maybe sort unless you walk in which case it's about 2 hours yeah 23:30.62 Dave Um, the bubble is real big. 23:31.79 Leonard It is a really big bubble. 23:38.16 Dave Um, yeah, in one direction I mean the bubble may not be even maybe it's like a o like ah oblong. 23:41.90 Leonard Um, yeah. 23:48.35 Cameron Yeah, true who knows that the thing is they don't give us a map I can't tell dear is lean could be like the size of a small suburb with 1 big castle in the middle in the bubble around it or it could be the size of Southeast Asia I don't know. 23:54.50 Leonard Nope. 24:00.30 Leonard I mean it I mean it's presented like the size of a small so suburb with a big castle in the middle given the center design of the town that we are shown in the first episode. 24:16.57 Cameron Yep, that there's the 1 town square with its 5 buildings and there's the castle that that's a that's a city. Yeah, ah if them even yeah, yeah, more than 20 people that's taxable. Ah. 24:22.91 Leonard A fiefdom. Yeah. 24:34.53 Cameron Yeah, um, ti is lean is the nominal city at the center of the world kind of place. It does have that aesthetic sensibility of we've just got everything going on here. Ah, but yeah, like like every conversation is like everything outside the bubble is hell on earth. It's fine in here. We're all good. We are going to send you away to train with someone like how far away do they train outside the bubble again. They won't tell us we're never going to find out. Ah, but yeah, things things have shifted a lot of the shift. From the from the sector of the show is sort of centered around sacha and her family she fell in love with Mad Marigan in the movie. They ended up getting married they had twins then he went off an adventure and died because ful kilmer is too sickly to act which I am sad about. 25:22.77 Leonard He he he might have died. They keep floating that he might be alive and I'm like you should have actually just killed him because that would be more respectful to like Valmer's current state. Yeah. 25:30.32 Dave They. 25:34.39 Cameron Yes, yeah, yeah. 25:37.23 Dave So yeah, so ah I did I was following up on like the behind the scenes stuff a little bit before they were doing like actually the show was airing um and the. 25:44.54 Leonard And. 25:44.78 Cameron Yeah. 25:54.71 Dave There's the show creators um, kept because this is a long production like this wasn't made last year they've been working on it for a while ah they were working with Val Kilmer and 26:04.40 Cameron No, no, no, it took its time. 26:04.18 Leonard Now aha. 26:10.98 Cameron Yes, yes. 26:13.92 Dave Um, he was ah because of that they gets like throat cancer and some other things He can't like talk but he can still act. Um, so they had him and they were just going to just have like come up with some reason for him. Not a talk or or. 26:19.65 Cameron Yeah, yes. 26:20.98 Leonard Right. 26:31.20 Cameron So in in. 26:32.81 Dave Computer in his voice. Um, but when they were doing principal photography that was in like 2019 ah and covid hit so um, balcomer's not in any kind of condition to like get sick extra. 26:39.62 Cameron Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Oh absolutely, not? Yeah yeah. 26:51.56 Dave So he was like yeah I can't guys think that it's not going to work. Um, but banking on multiple seasons. They kept him or mad Martigan in the script to surprise oh he shows up, you know in season 2 or 3 or something. 26:55.24 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 27:08.40 Leonard Show her okay still feels kind of gross though. 27:08.49 Cameron Yeah, yeah, cool of yeah yeah, he he's still alive and able to consent to the idea. 27:10.43 Dave Like they're just holding that back just in case. So ah yeah I mean they were specifically working with him So I understand that yeah I mean he's still acting. He just did um the top gun but just you know. 27:23.67 Leonard Right. 27:27.52 Cameron yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean you know they could do another season and yeah turn train an ai voice to speak like Mad Margan and after a couple of days on the original script. It'll just say pec all the time. 27:30.61 Dave Cameo Basically yeah. 27:44.80 Cameron And won't say anything else. 27:50.48 Dave Um, it's just delivering insults. Um, but yeah that that's why they like they're keeping that option open or they were um. 27:52.70 Cameron Um, yeah. 27:57.26 Cameron Um. 27:58.16 Leonard Open. Yeah. 27:59.67 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 28:03.62 Dave I Really don't I don't think this was greenlight for a second season. Yeah. 28:05.92 Cameron I Definitely not so far I think I've not heard. 28:11.70 Leonard Ah, but but but wait we see Flash Forwards of the end of a big battle that that will be very important in season 2 So There must be another season coming. Otherwise why would you do that? He said as sarcastically as humanly possible. 28:30.85 Dave Yeah. 28:31.85 Cameron Ah, it's look is 2023 things don't get a second season unless they're the last. 28:36.52 Leonard Yeah, right right? off right out the gate. 28:40.23 Cameron Ah, yeah, yeah, um, but yeah, so yeah, source saer and Mad Marigan got married they had twins which they frustratingly choose to name Eric and kit. 28:51.52 Leonard A. 28:54.59 Cameron Neither of which are particularly great names for royal lineage and I think I expressed my frustration with the name Eric sufficiently on the last willow episode episode because it physically hurts to say at this point. 29:03.47 Dave It it? Yeah, it's not a great name. But at least it's like ho March to his best buddy like we understand why it's there that that's fine. It's that doesn't change the name not being great, but it has a significance. 29:09.50 Leonard Yeah. 29:09.43 Cameron But yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah, yeah, yeah, could could have made good. He could have made it ah made it just the same the same level of homage to his friend. But made it infinitely more palatable by switching the middle 2 letters make him aric I would accept aric over Eric? um, yeah, yeah, yeah, just call him eric. 29:27.90 Leonard So. 29:33.31 Dave Um, Eric the the great thing is everyone says it like Eric did say Eric why don't you whatever let's call him eric. 29:36.52 Leonard Right. 29:43.40 Cameron There's a long tradition of fantasy characters being named Eric. 29:44.31 Dave I Mean they do they just call him eric. 29:47.71 Leonard Ah, and to be completely fair out of the twins Eric is the least offensive of the 2 29:52.61 Cameron So I like Eric I like Eric he's great. Yeah yeah, not a lot of them. Um. 29:55.78 Dave Um, case wine for as much as we see him. So yeah, he's um, we'll we'll just pause and talk about the twins a bit or at least we'll talk about Eric and he has the mad Marigan like. 30:04.26 Cameron So yes, Yes, yeah, yeah out with there face look Yeah, he's he's the um, he's the the the. 30:12.34 Dave Can't even say that Mad Margan's a Playboy but that's the feeling you're supposed to I think have gotten. He's the rogue to to yeah and so Eric got that like as a trait that he just. 30:16.61 Leonard If. 30:22.14 Leonard Yes. 30:22.84 Cameron Flirtish rake. Yeah yeah, yeah. 30:29.24 Cameron Yes, yes, yes. 30:32.23 Dave Has um and he's so tears Lean isn't a big place and he's had dalliances with like most of the available women in the town of it in his age range. 30:36.28 Cameron No. 30:46.26 Cameron And his age range at least? yeah he he's known to get around. 30:51.74 Dave Um, yeah, yes, but it's played I don't know that's that's it's not great. Um, but he like at least he owns up to it. 30:59.96 Cameron No, but yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's an open not even a secret people just like yeah the prince is a massive flirt but he hasn't seen to massively hurt. Anyone emotionally or physically so I guess he's just like his dad 1 of those rakish 80 s charisma men 31:21.44 Dave Um, yeah, yeah, and he's we get just enough time. Ah where he's like growing up. 31:29.74 Cameron Um. 31:34.97 Dave And fully like deciding to take responsibility for his action like that. That's there's character. There's some kind of character building going on. Um, and yeah, like he he's He's making a decision. 31:36.45 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 31:36.63 Leonard Yes. 31:41.92 Cameron Yes, he's getting ready to settle down at 16 and yes, yeah, Absolutely oh yeah, he's been having a dalliance with one of the castle staff. A blond-haired young lady whoms. He only refers to as dove because he's doing that terrible thing Young men do where they all think they're the next great poet of the age and human names are too good for them or not good enough for them rather. 32:10.62 Dave Well yeah, he doesn't remember her name. 32:11.62 Leonard I Think it's actually because he doesn't remember what her written name. 32:17.70 Cameron If she ever told him he would remember because I I can't remember this in the first 2 episodes she does tell you what her actual name is and it's bad. She's bru healed. 32:31.47 Dave Yeah, and he's just like so we'll just go with dove. We're gonna. 32:33.85 Leonard Um, ah right. 32:36.39 Cameron What dove works. Yeah yeah, um, but yeah, dove is this very pretty young blonde woman and very importantly, the only blonde character in the entire cast I wonder what that could mean. Um, ah, but yeah, he's he's getting ready to commit like he he's trying to impress upon her that you know he's been been around town and all that kind of thing but he's ready to really call this. For what it is which is a more serious relationship and she seems very happy with that. So we can't have that for a long time at least? Ah, yeah, it's important these 2 have their relationship formed early on because we don't see much of Eric um. 33:21.00 Dave Um, yeah. 33:29.12 Dave Um, no, he's he's spirited away like rather abruptly which is a shame because he's like the only character that was any fun. 33:29.74 Cameron Us this point. 33:34.65 Cameron Yeah, yeah, um so I mean look just switch this switch this ah shows twins roles and I think that could be pretty fun at least with the first couple episodes. 33:48.99 Dave Well they they do play a fun reversal about time because it's ridiculous, but it's like let's just we. We've kidnapped the Prince um and not the princess. Okay, that's that's fun now. Okay, you're. 33:51.48 Cameron That yes, that is True. It sort of leads leads in with willow as the series being a little more femininely strong. As it were in terms of like characters and potential tropes surrounding them. Um. 34:15.20 Dave Um, yeah, um. 34:19.40 Cameron I But then it can it be more fun. It would be more fun if we had more eric. 34:20.82 Dave Um, so yeah, just it. Yeah I can always it'd be fun if we had like more willow in the show called willow. 34:30.51 Cameron So willow God could you imagine. 34:35.52 Dave And he's just this guy. He's just been dumped on like badly and it's just what is what is happening. It's been so many years and he's just in the same. 34:40.52 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 34:50.94 Cameron There's a lot happening. 34:54.00 Dave He's It's not even the same. He's like downgraded. 34:55.41 Leonard Yes. 34:57.45 Cameron Yes, yes, willow has ah not moved past where he was in society by the end of the film willow but the society itself has gone downhill. Yeah, but he was already on that track. 35:04.74 Dave Well I mean it's weird he did because he's technically is high aldwin So in no one society he did otherwise no, in fact, he's it's worse like they won't He's been like banned tearfully. 35:14.64 Cameron Yeah, yeah, mm. 35:20.62 Leonard Yeah, yeah. 35:22.95 Cameron Well yeah, look ah an older man even if he's ah even if he is a now one showing up and talking to a toddler like oh I've got these kids at home I Think you'd really like them. You should come with me like liable to get you thrown out. 35:34.73 Dave Yeah I've brought some candy. Yeah no I mean it's it's it's bad behavior. Um, and so the other thing that will be the looming sentiment looming specter. It's just like. 35:52.51 Dave Ah, the Gump in this show is the humor is very poorly chosen. Um, and so yeah, willow we get flashbacks of him like. 35:55.53 Cameron Oh man. Yes. 36:08.52 Dave Trying to basically kidnap Ellora Denen as a baby or as a young to little toddler. Um, not not for like anything nefarious. He's like actively trying to just train her and make sure that she can be the force. She needs to be to. 36:12.70 Cameron Yes, yeah, yeah, so. 36:24.89 Cameron Um, yeah, yeah, she has to nurture her power to have it actually be of any use in the future which fair point honestly. 36:27.76 Dave To Battle evil like to fulfill her prophecy. Yeah yeah, no I mean it's like he has a point. Um, he goes about it in like the worst way possible mostly because he's already been blacklisted. Um because he's not taken seriously. 36:42.17 Cameron Yes, oh absolutely. Yeah, it's not taken. Yeah. 36:47.36 Leonard Um, yeah, so. 36:47.40 Dave And so he has to resort to like stupid things and then he in hindsight is like yeah I made some mistakes but that's the they're making it like they're trying to make it funny and it's not. It's like sad and. 37:00.33 Cameron Yes, yes. 37:03.12 Leonard That that there's so. 37:06.33 Dave He's just you know they're going like oh yeah I made a blunder or said something I don't know what the the dialogue was he said something real weird. It's like I regret my stupidity or something I don't know that would have been better than what he said I think he said didn't say that. 37:17.79 Cameron Yes. 37:19.19 Leonard There There's a lot of weird character assassination of the old characters in this show given what they experienced in the film when they banished an evil witch outside of the universe. 37:29.94 Cameron Um. 37:38.26 Leonard To keep the chosen prophesized child safe and no and like everyone's just like yeah okay, we're gonna ban magic because ah, that'll keep a Nora safe. Um, but ah, only after we have them. Put this magical barrier over over our our kingdom also Willow. You're not a magician you're not a source where you're a loser What are you going to make a pig disappear I'm like what is go. 38:00.29 Cameron Um, yeah, yes, so. 38:12.56 Leonard Why are why is everyone being an asshole to each other after you save the world This is baffling. 38:22.73 Cameron Just like absolute power corrupts absolutely Sorcry got that crown and I mean we know how her mother turned out um not quite that bad. So. 38:27.70 Leonard Um, you yeah which was look which was literally the only joke that I laughed at in the first episode when she referenced her mother I was like oh that's actually that's a good joke. That's. 38:41.23 Cameron No yeah, yeah, yeah, like yeah yeah I think that's pretty much it they're like magic Super dangerous Look what magic did. 38:43.36 Leonard Actually a good joke because it references something that was established. 38:56.40 Cameron You got to remember these are prejudices like the entire governing body of tyras lean was turned into pigs for a solid 20 hours like they they got they got some they got some biases against magic. 38:59.74 Leonard You And fair. 39:06.70 Dave They have a grievance. It was valid. 39:09.56 Leonard But also to be fair, It's like yeah you band it inside the borders of your kingdom but you know that it's hell world out there. You don't think that they're going to be apostate mags weaving spells. Ah. 39:23.99 Cameron No, why would they? it's illegal. 39:27.40 Dave Oh. 39:29.71 Leonard Ah. 39:31.59 Cameron No, one's allowed to do magic in or out of Tira's lean that's the law we wrote and it should apply no na yeah, exactly like everything. Everything's fine will build the big beautiful soap bubble and will be safe and happy forever. 39:36.77 Leonard Even though we never leave tears lane to enforce Whatever Okay, cool, cool. 39:50.46 Leonard Ah. 39:50.57 Cameron And nothing will ever go wrong, especially if we piss off the 1 person with any knowledge of the arcane who's going to live past the next five years because Fin Relle isn't going to make it much longer. She's walking around on her deathbed after after the first day she is in the film. 40:03.43 Leonard Nope. 40:08.54 Leonard Yeah, they literally referenced right? They literally like it was literally like yeah we had them build this wall and then they just died. 40:08.77 Cameron Not going to make it 20 and she didn't yeah. 40:21.49 Cameron It took the last of chilindri and Finrael's strength to raise the wall I'm like you really could have done something else with that. You could have built a normal wall and maybe trained a cartre of sorces under your command or something anything but ah yeah, yes. 40:33.61 Leonard Um, yeah, yep. 40:39.16 Cameron That's that's sort of the state of the world. Um, there's Eric there's Eric's twin sister kit. Ah, who is all of Mad Mariggan's other yeah yeah, Eric Eric is the flirt. 40:45.72 Leonard Mean. 40:52.41 Cameron The the flirtish rakish roguish side of Mad Marigan and kit is every other part of Mad Martican Made Manifest yeah yeah um he 40:55.75 Dave Um, yeah, it's like the movie twins. 40:56.47 Leonard Yeah, yep, yeah, yeah yeah, you know what she is the Danny Devito of Willow I'll go on record and say yes. Kit is. In fact, the Danny Devito of Willow. 41:14.98 Dave I would have rather had Danny Devito in a wig playing kit than what we got. 41:20.72 Leonard Um, I mean I mean the line delivery would have been significantly better I think. 41:22.10 Cameron Ah I really could have worked with that that would have been pretty good but the man has serious chops. Ah he good actor. But yeah kit is yeah that that sort of overly. 41:30.83 Dave He's good. He's good at what he does. 41:31.10 Leonard Yeah. 41:37.29 Cameron Self-important self-confident and oblivious side of Mad Marigan combined with saha who was also in a youth like a really fiery brash aggressive person. Um kid is all of that she knows she's the best because she's won every fight she's ever had with her bodyguard. The person who's. 41:43.14 Leonard Ah, so. 41:56.76 Cameron Paid not to hurt her. Um and you know her life is terrible because a she's a teenager but B she's also a queer teenager who's being forced into political marriage which hey I can understand how that would make you. 41:56.77 Leonard Um, yep. 42:15.26 Cameron Very pissed off and touchy. But also you saw it coming. You could have run away before this point. Um, yes you oh yeah. 42:21.48 Dave I Mean if your brother's allowed to like potentially marry the the color he made then you can kind of do whatever the the rules seem very lax here. 42:26.47 Leonard Ah, a scullery maid. 42:31.17 Cameron Well I think that might be because like willows societies are traditionally matriarchal so kid is actually in line for the throne whereas Eric is like the the second son not important. 42:43.38 Dave Yeah, he's just like not it's the it's the second Prince or whatever you know that doesn't actually have any power. 42:50.25 Cameron Yeah, yeah, he he can do whatever he wants as long as kit is alive if she died he'd have to do something important and not marry a scullery maid. 42:57.52 Dave Probably which is really weird because like the the lineage in this is strange like they just kind of inherited the kingdom but like not in that yeah because that's yeah, that's that's that's that that that has happen that. 42:58.35 Leonard This is. 43:03.50 Cameron Oh yeah, they were there. They had a bunch of swords it was their kingdom. 43:05.30 Leonard Um. 43:09.53 Leonard What. 43:17.21 Cameron Yeah, and like the the other kingdoms do still exist because kit is engaged to the crown Prince of Galledorn ah hey throwback willow. Yeah, that's one of the nations that Bav Mortar conquered. So I guess. 43:17.34 Dave That's a way to go about it. You know my conquest. 43:24.81 Dave Yeah, which was like name dropped in the movie but that was it. 43:34.24 Cameron I guess saha wanted to still be royalty but didn't want to go over to galledor and take over a conquered people and so just built Tira's lean backer like no one was living here. They're all dead in crystals I'm sure we didn't solve that I think we just probably threw them into a mine shaft or something. 43:51.10 Dave We don't We don't truck with magic here. 43:53.40 Leonard Yeah, right? we and we had to get rid of all the trolls and then we cleaned up all the troll shit and then we settled here. 43:54.10 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, you know try to mine out exactly 1 crystallized tyest lean citizen and said you know what this is too much work just take them off the castle grounds. It'll be fine. 44:08.45 Dave Yeah, it's like I'm technically the queen of like Knockmar but I'm just going to take tears lean because no one else is everyone else is dead or they're crystallized others sleeping will have to just. 44:13.73 Cameron Ah. 44:16.64 Leonard Um, yeah. 44:17.30 Cameron Yeah, no one No one wants Knockbar This is. 44:25.52 Dave We can't We can't resurrect them. We'll just have to take over this. 44:26.20 Leonard I I mean I mean honestly if I was in her place I'd be like hey I helped killed my evil which Queen mother everyone's in Crystals you want to just gim me gimmy and I'll be benevolent come on. 44:34.56 Cameron Yeah. 44:43.84 Cameron Yep, yeah, it's fine. 44:44.70 Dave I Mean there was a prophecy. 44:47.91 Leonard Yeah I got this prop. She's like holding she's like waving and eleorra. No ah Heleorra around is like I got this special baby I got this magic baby. 44:50.25 Dave Yes, the scroll. Oh I've got the I've got the special magic baby. 44:52.34 Cameron Yeah. Yeah, even though the child's Prophecy has already been completely fulfilled is oh God Do it that this is. 45:03.55 Leonard Oh no, it hasn't because there's another prophecy because there's always a secondary evil just lurking behind the previous evil. 45:12.64 Dave Yeah, she she was dragon bald. There's always a bigger enemy. 45:17.16 Cameron Yeah, this this is actually my least favorite part of willow the tv show is I loved in Willow the movie. The fact that the prophecy is completely fulfilled within the movie elorra down in the baby leaves Knockmar and the prophecy is when she returns. 45:22.88 Leonard Um, yep. 45:35.75 Cameron Ba Mor is going to be destroyed. The baby is carried back to Nokmar Bav Morts destroyed that is the entire prophecy. It's done I want I wanted willow the Tv show to be like an adventure with a new threat and a Laura downon can be there but she's not like a central. 45:43.50 Leonard Yep. 45:53.32 Cameron To the to the prophecy plot characters. He's just a new mag or something would have been cooler but no big, big big other prophecy about another nebulous fit feminine evil that Ellora Danen will defeat. 45:58.92 Leonard Yep. 46:05.56 Leonard Ah, we could we get? we get to. We get to revitalize our surly um ah seer character Cameron who wrote down and a secondary prophecy that he didn't share with. 46:13.21 Cameron Yes, yes. 46:19.15 Leonard Baborna because he didn't listen to her about Sercy betraying her is like I'm just going to tuck this into my robe sleeve and fuck you all right? cool. 46:29.10 Cameron Um, second prophecy is pit oh god um, yeah, yeah, ah, there's there's a lot going on there. Ah, but yeah, ah Galledron is doing fine. Ah. They they have their crown Prince Graydon who is spider-man's best friend is actually probably my favorite character in the show. 46:48.35 Leonard Oh wait wait is that is that flash is that flash thompson from the Spiderman oh I didn't even realize because he had that super smart beard and mustache. 46:52.14 Cameron it's it's it's it's it's it's Tony Revellori he is spider-man's best friend. 47:02.63 Cameron Yeah, he looks. He looks very regal and I actually really like him as the the Royal Politician kind of character who is actually just that and doesn't want to have any truck with this adventuring nonsense. 47:17.10 Leonard Nope. 47:18.21 Cameron It plays a really good straight man to the rest of the cast. 47:21.40 Dave So yeah, he's he's great. He um he doesn't want to be there like at all. But yeah, he's he's like obliged to just do to his position. Um. 47:25.39 Cameron No, but he has to yeah the rules of Chivalry say ah you must accompany your wife to be to find her lost brother Yada Yada Ya yeah and this is a lot. 47:41.60 Dave He's like Wow Yeah, this is not great I don't even want to marry her what what is going on. 47:45.20 Cameron I Don't know how to use a sword I Know how to read That's yeah yeah, that that guy has it rough you know? ah. 47:53.90 Dave Like she's clearly has other interests. 47:56.93 Leonard And she's mean to literally everyone So no, no thank you. 47:57.93 Cameron Yeah, yep, exactly? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, ah no, it's not um, but you know he's He's got like the. 48:04.31 Dave Yeah, and this this isn't that kind of story. 48:14.10 Cameron He's got the long game in mind which is one day a Laura Downen's going to come back and I won't have to be in charge of this kingdom because she's the the real empress so this is just like a political marriage until then I'm cool with whatever you want to? do? Let's just not try to embarrass our parents in front of the entire. Like ruling party of this country. 48:33.59 Leonard Yeah, no I refuse I'm upset me like she it's she's like mean Disney Princess and it's like intolerable like yeah, let me throw a knife. 48:43.45 Cameron So. 48:46.26 Dave Um, let me let me shoot this Apple off your head or yeah thought. 48:52.28 Leonard And and and hit a pumpkin off of your head brother and I'm like what is this is this metal gear Solid What is was this going on was she because okay. 48:59.23 Dave Well, she's drunk for one. So not that yeah she was but so that's not an excuse but that's definitely like adding to the problem is the is the thing. 48:59.60 Cameron Yeah, is an explanation. Yeah like I will say she begins to mellow out. 49:10.24 Leonard Um. 49:16.88 Cameron It happens 2 episodes too late for me to really like her she she does start calming down in like the the back half of episode 3 but it takes that long. It takes two and a half hours basically it takes it takes a full film which is too long. 49:17.56 Leonard No okay. 49:30.52 Leonard Yeah, and that's yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely intolerable like I'm like I and I one that so I had some really weird just ah, just ah. 49:45.80 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 49:45.14 Leonard Bring it down a little bit I had some really weird feelings about this because you know she's lgbd Q representation on the show and it's like set in this kind of fantasy world. That's like you know medieval and women don't have a lot of agency and there's a bunch of stuff like that. Going on floating around even though it's super anachronistic for the sake of being Anachronistic. Love time I'm just like should I be as upset with this character as I am given what. The shows presenting ah me with her and I'm like yeah because she's just a jerk. She's like right. 50:28.15 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 50:29.98 Dave She's not likable. So that's the issue you can you can be wo whatever kind of person you want to be. But if you're a jerk then that like that just burns a lot of Goodwill. 50:35.19 Cameron So yeah. 50:41.10 Leonard Um. 50:42.70 Cameron Yeah, yeah, there are there are other queer characters in this show that are significantly more likekable and are unfortunately much more short lived um is what I'll say on that. Ah, but yeah. 50:50.47 Leonard 2 50:57.74 Cameron Look I like having more or less the actual protagonist here because let's be honest, willow is not the protagonist of willow. Ah the Tv series he was the protagonist of willow the movie good for him there kit is like the the one. The story is primarily following here like. 51:14.85 Leonard Yep. 51:16.80 Cameron They've they've got their merry band but she's the focus. She's the driving force and it's very cool to have a queer lead like that. But it's be even cooler if they were not terrible. Yeah, but they can they can. They can have a personality traits. But. 51:26.52 Leonard We had it. 51:27.25 Dave Um, likeable. Yeah, you can have like depth of character and and yeah. 51:34.68 Cameron Put something in the first episode to make me like her I start liking her more in episode 4 and that's way too long to start liking your lead character. No matter how much you're trying to empathize with them. 51:45.23 Leonard Yeah, especially in an 8 episodes season. 51:45.96 Dave Yeah. 51:51.73 Cameron Yeah, yeah, it's a lot. Um, but yeah, essentially everyone's gathered together to get this wedding going. You know, got to get things going kit isn't having any of this her bodyguard has also told her that she is. Leaving to go train with Knights not from Galladon from somewhere. So she's being separated from the person. She's in love with and so she goes to sneak out in the middle of the night I'm moving this moving this along. Let's get to the actual interesting bits. 52:21.80 Leonard This is. 52:23.48 Cameron When a mysterious fog sweeps across the kingdom of tyralene in the dark of night and and um the attack of the monsters begins this is where it gets cool and interesting. We get the gales attacking the castle which is a terrible name for a group of. 52:35.83 Leonard Yep. 52:42.61 Cameron Weird monsters. No they're they're just a wind like you know what crib from Metal gear rising call them the winds of destruction and have each of them have a different cool wind name. But no, they're called the gales and they. 52:46.80 Dave Um, it's not very like fear-inducing day gal said. 52:56.92 Leonard Yep. 52:59.54 Dave Um, they could have they could have pulled from like ninja scroll and been like the 5 devils of the crone I mean you could have said that and I would't like the the like okay that's cool. That's weird I mean because now I'm curious who's the crone and these 5 devils and you know that gives you something like the galels. 53:01.65 Cameron They? Yeah yeah, yeah, that would have worked I would have worked better because they cook. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 53:02.86 Leonard Oh yeah, the flat devils of the crown. Yeah. 53:16.30 Cameron Yeah, well yeah, they're they're called the gales but then the actual creature's names are like the scourge the doom the Lich the dag and like no one's scared of the dag and also these are not wind related. 53:16.97 Dave Ah. 53:24.27 Dave No, one's scared of the dag. 53:32.85 Leonard Um, yeah. 53:34.98 Dave Ah, like its yeah, it's they just dropped the ball on that one. 53:45.70 Dave Now they just sound like kill their instinct characters. 53:47.46 Cameron Um, ah man Yeah, pretty much pretty much. Um. 53:49.25 Leonard Um, yeah. 53:55.43 Dave Except for the dag that sounds like you should go to um, whatever that beer fest is or. 54:04.21 Leonard I Just desperately want want to hope that the dag is the one that had like the big club hands and the helmet cage because because really ah, that's disappointing. 54:09.55 Cameron No, no, no, no, That's the scourge. Unfortunately yeah that the dag is the one that looks like if someone tried to rip off the ring but wanted to make it more explicitly scary. So They just made a creepy looking Lady Monster with claws. Um, yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty. 54:27.49 Leonard Oh is she the bird is she the okay they literally could just which honestly the bird would have been then a better name than the dad. 54:28.00 Dave Okay. I Mean she's cool looking. They're all cool looking. 54:40.49 Cameron Yeah, that was the dag D Um, yeah, the skirt The scourge is very cool because yeah, he's got like the big head cage and these these big gnarly hands and he just kills people. 54:54.68 Leonard Um, yeah. 54:56.80 Cameron Um, the night nights are tearsers lean pick up their swords and they immediately get batted against walls. Scourge is cool. Love the scourge the doom I Literally don't remember I. 54:57.75 Dave It's quite the scourge. 55:10.12 Leonard Was the doom the dual witch because I know the Li is the sourcercer I'm gonna think that the doom is probably the the dual spine with guy. 55:13.50 Cameron No idea which one the dream is. Yeah. 55:25.31 Cameron Oh yeah, yeah I did literally completely forget that guy. Ah yeah, right? A terrible. Yeah yeah. 55:28.61 Dave Um, which is weird because you think that would be the scourge. 55:31.52 Leonard It's right all these and all these names are the the they were all named very poor poorly. 55:37.69 Dave Um, to get it. You could have been like the scour and like okay like when can do that scour or something. 55:42.67 Cameron Yeah, scouring wind. It's a dagging wind. 55:47.74 Dave Um, no I think it's good that dad ducal to dab. 55:51.55 Cameron Ah God Um, yeah is is it is pretty close. Yeah. 55:53.26 Leonard Yeah, it is. It is really too close to dab. That's what I keep hearing even though I know that's not what I'm hearing. 56:01.86 Cameron Yeah, I'm actually curious because this might be 1 of the faggeries of australian english. Do you guys have the word daggy in your lexicon. It's just kind of like kind of like scruffy and out of out of shape and not looking particularly neat. 56:10.90 Leonard No. 56:11.13 Dave No no. Ah. 56:19.50 Leonard Those so like a like a daggy sheep before it's been shared. Oh it's specifically for people. Wow That's weird. No no, no. 56:20.97 Cameron And that's what I got from this is. No. No, this is explicitly for Humans. You're looking kind of Daggy. They're like yeah I didn't I deliberately look as daggy I can on Public Transport. So if people don't talk to me. But. 56:25.94 Dave Um, it's for people. 56:44.31 Leonard Fascinating Love learning New lexicons. Um. 56:47.95 Dave Oh great. Ah. 56:49.28 Cameron It's it's It's one of the few radio safe words I can teach you guys. 56:53.72 Dave But ah. 56:59.47 Cameron And I mean look the the dag is quite daggy. Yeah, that was rigged the bogan. Oh God Yeah like the the gales of destruction We have the redneck the bogan. 57:02.97 Dave Where's the Bogu just bring the bogan back still Bo in the da. 57:08.13 Leonard It's the. 57:17.97 Cameron I could almost respect that as a choice. Honestly yeah, but yeah, the yeah, the gay the Gale's attack design wise these are the coolest and most consistent things we've seen because they all have the same color palette. 57:20.34 Leonard Um, ah. 57:23.53 Dave Ah, would have been a choice. Okay, yeah. 57:34.14 Dave Well they got like they got all the budget too like the effects are really good. 57:34.89 Leonard Yep. 57:36.40 Cameron They all look visually-ish unified. Oh yeah, they're great Those spine whips now that I remember they exist very cool. Some great stuff going on with them now that I can remember that the doom exists. Um. 57:39.95 Leonard Um, yeah, yes. 57:52.14 Dave Um, I think they're just bad with names. 57:52.76 Leonard Again. 57:54.77 Cameron Just really bad for names. Yeah, um, and yeah, they do get all all the budget. The Lich was the one that summoned the fog and then the lich is also a close a close combat monster because he just teleports away from everything yeah is is baning all over the place. 58:05.64 Dave You just tell for it says badass. 58:06.51 Leonard Yeah, yeah, he he he he's he he's literally I was literally about to say he's just night carer with a with a staff with a bow staff. 58:14.10 Cameron Yeah, yeah, he's great and I love him because he also looks like a litch. He's the one I can remember the most easily like he he is the traditional ledges in like an undead looking caster kind of creature. 58:17.64 Dave And magic. 58:25.90 Leonard Um. 58:31.65 Leonard Yep. 58:33.25 Cameron With his creepy skull and his staff that burns you if you pokes it into your armpit. Um, so I mean plain playing to pumps you full a curse plain playing to the fact that armor actually could potentially do something the armor did nothing because he hit the weak spot. Ah. 58:41.49 Dave Um, homes you full of curse. 58:49.26 Leonard Well, he hit the he hit the part that was like the quilted padded part of the armor which is almost all of the armor that these knights are wearing yep. 58:53.80 Cameron Yeah, that is also look. It's fashion these these are the these are the finest quiltings from far off Nazim I'll have you know. 59:06.84 Leonard Ah, and I want to imagine that like there has not been a conflict flick and Terrace lean since they put the wall up and they were just like plate mail. That's heavy. 59:12.52 Cameron Oh yeah, yeah. 59:20.29 Cameron Yeah, oh yeah, look every conflict since they put up the wall was some of those bone reeers charging the five foot wide gap in the soap bubble and them literally just holding fifteen foot pikes through the hole and no one. No one could get in. It's perfect. 59:20.60 Leonard Padded everything moving forward. 59:36.87 Leonard Um, yep. 59:39.34 Cameron It's literally impermeable. They don't need to know how to fight they need to know how ah how to hold a pointy stick level. That's all they got to do? Ah yeah I Just knock the bridge out. 59:46.56 Dave Um, I don't even have to do that. There's ah, there's a freaking like bottomless Moat You just take the bridge out and then or you know if they had made it a drawbridge be like okay look you just pull that sucker up nobody's getting through. 59:48.92 Leonard Yeah, there's a ravine. 59:57.81 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:00:01.51 Leonard That's a lot of money to spend on infrastructure different given that time period though I don't know about that drawbridge. What are we? where are we supposed to get the gold from the the die budget. 01:00:04.25 Cameron Yeah, we can we we can afford precisely one stone bridge. 01:00:06.38 Dave They give me a little gate. It's just a little drumbridge gate. 01:00:15.90 Dave No, you just you've just print more money. 01:00:16.38 Cameron Um, yeah I don't know how the economy here functions. They don't seem to have any farmland inside the bubble. Ah, ah, ah. 01:00:26.26 Dave It's like a closed economy. How would they they're like you're not going to get merchants from like out of town. 01:00:32.34 Cameron Yeah I do want to point out they ride out from Tira's lean to the edge of the bubble. It does take some time. It's all like native wilderness. There's no, there's there's no agriculture where are they getting all the that's fire. It's yeah yeah, it. 01:00:37.44 Dave Yeah, there's not 10 They aren't going through villages. 01:00:39.27 Leonard Yep. 01:00:45.26 Leonard Yeah, it's but it's it's behind the castle all of the farm like we we just didn't see it. It's like. 01:00:45.81 Dave It's from the other direction I'm telling you it's It's an oblong bubble. 01:00:51.95 Cameron Yeah, like the drone shot just rises up and you see an infinite like sweatshop style farming district laid out behind the castle. 01:01:02.16 Leonard It's it's like sim City if they put the farms next to the next to residential area then it makes everybody unhappy so they just it it the I the concert hall. 01:01:10.68 Cameron Ah, yeah, yeah. 01:01:15.24 Cameron Will drown out all those sounds of farming with beautiful opera god um, but yeah, the the Gale's attack everyone gets in on it because kit was up to escape and jade was up. 01:01:18.12 Dave It's behind the model. 01:01:19.49 Leonard If. 01:01:21.62 Dave Yeah. 01:01:33.61 Cameron Stop kev from escaping and Eric was up because he was trying to get it on. Ah and so everyone joins in the battle except for Graydon who watches from his bedroom window which is a choice I admire you know you know exactly what you're about. You are not a fight or my man. 01:01:47.50 Dave He's just smart guy. 01:01:47.17 Leonard Yep. 01:01:51.63 Cameron Stay up there and watch what's happening and in the confusion several things happen the lich burns the Knight Commander Ballantine with his staff to the armpit. Very badly, very badly disable that arm. Um. 01:02:05.34 Dave Yeah. 01:02:11.52 Cameron Saha nearly gets killed by the doom but manages to Jewelle him off. They release Thraxus Boreman which what a name for such a beautiful guy. Ah they release thraxus boreman from the prison to help fight the gales. Ah, because he is a good warrior I guess and he is in prison for something unspecified at this point and yeah, yeah is is like a big cleaver with a short ish 2 handed handle. Yeah. 01:02:38.71 Dave Just give him give him his ah not even Axs was it halberd. Yeah I think that maybe they just to call it a cleaver. He said give me my cleaver. 01:02:50.54 Cameron Yeah, my my lever that's played played by Ama Charter Patel this guy is gorgeous and he's fun to watch. He's got some great hair especially for being in prison for like the last ten years ah 01:02:56.76 Dave He's a good looking dude man with some nice hair. 01:02:59.26 Leonard Yep. 01:03:01.79 Dave Oh yeah, no, he looks really good. He looks like it's way you know it's the mad Mardican effect you just splash a little water on and you're like oh Panine Pro v. 01:03:06.55 Cameron Yeah, true hundred percent hydration 01:03:11.82 Leonard Ah, also he also he's he's friends with with the Queen So she she sends him some conditioner. 01:03:19.72 Dave She treats him. Well I mean I think I think it's like the best you're going to get being a prisoner but you're still getting like first class digs aside from like the the prison cells still like we only got the one dungeon but we'll bring you like food and ah. 01:03:19.89 Cameron Yeah, well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:03:35.40 Cameron Yeah, yeah, exactly yeah um, and then yeah in the middle of all this battle the gale suddenly retreat and everyone's mostly fine except for Ballantine who's terribly wounded and wears Eric. Everyone. 01:03:37.11 Dave Hairbrush. 01:03:51.33 Cameron He's gone. He's disappeared and yay ah, Graydden knowing exactly what he he was doing saw it all from the bedroom window wisely not participating in the battle. Ah, but. 01:03:51.86 Leonard A big bird picked him up and dropped him into Mount doom. 01:04:07.10 Dave I mean you would have died. So. 01:04:10.83 Cameron Would have died exactly he did. He did his job which was to learn things and get information. Um, so yeah, see they see that um Eric's being kidnapped. Obviously we got to go get him. They're taking him somewhere who knows where somewhere outside the bubble. Very scary and so kit is determined to rush off when she's meant to be getting married in the morning but you know I've got to go save him is followed by takes borman with a grade and has to go with her because it would be extremely bad publicity. For the future king of the country to let his soon-to-be wife go on a dangerous quest alone. Um Jade Kit's body but bodyguard comes because she's kit's bodyguard um and Ballentine wants to come but is. Replaced last section last second by Jurgen case one of the other senior knights just a bunch of old games of thrones game of Thrones looking guys. Um, and they they go off on an adventure. They got to leave the bubble. They got to find willow to figure out what's going on. Ah, because sache's been having like nightmare dreams where willow is whispering to her about stuff and it's not clear if that's him actively doing that or if that is her own like innate prophetic gift or something. 01:05:33.45 Dave He's like to gales. I yeah I don't think it's willow I mean it's Willow's voice but he's not doing that he doesn't know what he doesn't know what's going on. He didn't get like a the memo. 01:05:41.86 Cameron But it's just her her her mind interpreting it. Yeah no no. 01:05:48.30 Leonard It was. It was so weird because it's because it happens like 3 times before the gals attack and I'm like oh what's this like evil like whispering thing going on I'm like oh it's the gals and then she's like it was willow talking to me I'm like what is. 01:06:06.47 Dave Um, but so if you have this like I watch this with the subtitles on because I was using watching it on my phone and um the stumps I will just say is willow and then it has like the little colon thing and it's like. 01:06:06.65 Leonard What is happening. 01:06:07.86 Cameron Yeah. 01:06:17.10 Cameron So cals. 01:06:20.80 Dave And it's like was that willow though because that's not what I'm hearing I'm just hearing a spooky voice going but just kept saying Willow like the show. Yeah, the show is saying it I guess. 01:06:22.74 Leonard Right. 01:06:23.18 Cameron No, it doesn't sound like him. Yeah, be it'd be more nasally if it was willow van gal that's the name of the overall narrator not to be confused with Willow the character within the shop. 01:06:31.55 Leonard Um, instead. 01:06:42.99 Cameron God um, but yeah, off off they run on their merry way to have an adventure and on the way they're joined by dove who's also coming with them because she loves Eric and Eric was ready to commit and she needs to lock that down immediately. Um. 01:06:43.59 Leonard Um. 01:07:00.83 Cameron It's it's sweet. She loves him. She's not of much help. But she's also the only person who knows how to cook in the whole hole in the whole party and she's great at it exquisite really people people Undervalue having someone who knows how to prepare food on a long journey. It's really important. 01:07:03.62 Leonard Yeah, and and is good at it too. 01:07:16.35 Leonard Yes, um, and I I actually really like her like out of every like I was like I was like Borman ah is cool I'm like we all know how I feel about kit. Um. 01:07:19.74 Cameron Ah, she'swan. 01:07:33.60 Leonard Ah, but I was just like oh she's she's bright and bubbly and like very committed and like seems confident I'm super into this character joining even though I know she has to join because I know exactly who she is but. 01:07:42.27 Cameron Um. 01:07:48.51 Cameron Yes, what do you mean? she's brunhild. But yeah, she joins in so presumably only for the night before she's to be sent back to the castle but hey might as well have someone cook for you on your first night out in the wilderness and. 01:07:53.51 Leonard Yes. 01:08:06.31 Leonard Yep. 01:08:07.60 Cameron And in the morning she's gone because she's got to got to go on foot to keep in front of the horses I guess um and off they go having a merry time they cross small bridge come to the to the keyhole in the soap bubble and step out into the. Not monochromatic hell world out there. It's just nice. It's New Zealand and like wow look at all this wilderness. It's maybe it's not so bad out here at which point a crossbow bolt immediately kills the Knight that was with them. 01:08:38.80 Leonard Yep. 01:08:39.60 Cameron And they're they're looking at us like Wow It's not so scary outside the bubbles. The dialogue is something to that effect and the guy immediately gets murders. 01:08:43.73 Leonard Oh he he's he literally he literally gets Sam Jackson's from deep blue seed where he's like you've got to pay attention to everything that's going on around you and then he's immediately dead and I'm like oh. 01:08:51.18 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 01:09:00.10 Leonard That's actually really kind of annoying. It would have been nice to have like an older sagely figure on this adventure. But what of yeah and and and the kids only every one thirty and up get G T F o. 01:09:01.00 Cameron Yes, yes. And in it's an adventure for the kids. 01:09:09.78 Dave It's an adventure for the kids. 01:09:18.64 Leonard This is not for you. Do you. 01:09:20.68 Cameron Yeah, um, bo man is close to that limit. He's turned in 30 in like four days but as long as we can start the adventure with him under 30 He's good. He oh yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 01:09:27.12 Leonard Right? And also and also there's so much dad energy from him that he he's got the plot armor the dad Plot armor. 01:09:37.91 Cameron He's he's he's got great dad energy for someone who clearly hates children. 01:09:39.64 Leonard Yes, as do most people who have really great dad energy to be perfectly. Honest I. 01:09:48.90 Cameron I mean look that's fair I make a living off of that kind of energy I think so ah yeah, that they're attacked by bone reers who are mad max people without access to gasoline powered vehicles. So instead they have horses. Ah. 01:10:05.85 Cameron Just chasing them across the plains and herding them towards a cliff much like the mammoth hunters of old Borman bravely directs his horse to leap off the cliff into the water below like urging it on with this phrase in another language. Go go go go they all leap off the cliff on their horses. Swim out but swimming out of the river on the other side and kit goes that was incredible. How did you make your horse really like I was trying to tell it to stop just the perfect perfect dad energy. Ah meanwhile ah dove. 01:10:33.10 Leonard Yep. 01:10:43.22 Cameron On foot has crossed a fallen tree which is crossing the infinitely deep moat ah weird sure. Whatever don't know why there's a random fallen tree here and an earthquake knocks it into the abyss just as she makes her way across. Then she just walks through the magic barrier. That's meant to be impenetrable. It's this is fine. Nothing weird going on there. Um, actually you know what we we did exactly what the characters did Leonard that you were complaining about earlier. 01:11:12.97 Leonard Yeah, we walked right by the the big note written in blood on a stone wall. 01:11:19.86 Cameron Yeah, we we ignored that blood writing we ignored. We ignored the full essay written in blood in the dark script I totally forgot about that for a second I Thought we'd already discussed it. Um, yeah. 01:11:31.35 Leonard So. 01:11:34.71 Cameron There's there's the remains of a village they pass through on the other side of the bubble and there's like this full like floor-to-ceiling essay written in blood. 01:11:44.53 Leonard It's so stupid it It made me so angry when kit was like hey everyone look at this and it's up. It's it's it's up manifesto written on a stone wall. 01:11:54.30 Cameron Um, yeah. 01:11:58.20 Leonard That everyone else just rode pass and paid no attention to I was like I can't I can't I can't with this show I can't do this. 01:12:01.98 Cameron This is normal. Yeah yeah, yeah, Graydon proves his value here by being able to sort of read this because he's he's a learned child. 01:12:16.26 Leonard Yep. 01:12:16.46 Cameron And it's all about like the deep power under the Earth and the slowly awakening monster that will show the world that we were really right? All along and praise the great worm everyone. Love love that worm with a why. 01:12:25.92 Leonard Yep. 01:12:31.30 Leonard Yep, So now we've got so have we have we been introduced to the name of the K crone at this point since I can't remember since this show's really bad at introducing names. 01:12:33.40 Cameron We're gonna get a dragon in season 2 01:12:44.97 Cameron Um I I don't think they said the word crone yet? no. 01:12:45.59 Dave Ah I don't think so. 01:12:48.99 Leonard Ok, ok, so at least we were like we've got the worm and then we're gonna have the crone at some point and I'm just like are you I'm like dying like in the desert I'm like just a drop of exposition. Just. 01:12:53.95 Cameron U. 01:13:08.56 Leonard Anything just to keep me I'm hallucinating exposition for the show. Why why is this? the only holdover from the actual movie. 01:13:13.95 Cameron My god. 01:13:22.34 Cameron A. 01:13:23.95 Leonard This is your refusal to exposit on any aspect of this world. 01:13:29.69 Dave Oh I'm sorry you didn't get the um the notes we had from Mr. Lucas's cocktail napkins this is that you know it's the the evil darkness of bavmorela. 01:13:29.91 Cameron It's so bad. 01:13:34.20 Leonard Oh god. 01:13:34.47 Cameron No, no, no, didn't get it. He lost it. 01:13:42.44 Leonard Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:13:45.26 Dave Yeah. 01:13:46.52 Cameron Yeah, ah god anyway, yeah, um, they they find dove on the other side of the barrier I really thought she was going to get the Knight's horse but that horse just ran off. Ah, that's what I thought he was killed for like wow they're all on the side of the barrier. This guy's going to die. 01:13:55.24 Leonard Um, yep. 01:14:04.28 Cameron Dove's gonna get his horse so everyone can ride as a group and like no that horse just runs off dove has to walk everywhere. Um, but they finally make it to that that um that archetypical spot that everyone remembers from the first film The ruined Nelwin Village has been. 01:14:18.14 Leonard I was so upset I was so upset when the nellwin village was just like I can't believe we're doing the like and it's root. It's all ruined because everything out here's terrible and I'm just like I. 01:14:21.47 Cameron Burned to the ground. 01:14:34.50 Cameron The burning of the shire all over again I yeah. 01:14:37.44 Leonard I was literally I was just at no actually that happened in in next episode I was like are we going to get a burning of the shire situation but I was so upset when I was just like I can't why. 01:14:50.46 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 01:14:51.89 Leonard Why are you doing this to like I don't even love this movie like I respect it but like this feels me. 01:14:59.97 Cameron Well fortunately for you Leonard they're so allergic to exposition. They won't tell us how it happened ever I think they haven't mentioned how it happened in the first 4 episodes I can tell you that much. 01:15:07.39 Leonard Nope. 01:15:12.69 Leonard Well they at f. 01:15:15.40 Cameron Like know now now when village burned to the ground. They all moved underground to survive. That's all you need to know Willow probably Willow, probably got there willow probably tried to put on a fireworks show or something and um that this's millenic. 01:15:20.41 Leonard Yep, because now they're doorves Now they're literal dwarves. 01:15:30.50 Dave I Mean this willow. Maybe. 01:15:30.29 Leonard Yeah, ah you know what? but I would I would actually I would actually really appreciate it if like that would actually be funny if that was the cause like it wasn't bone reavers or devil dogs or anything willow as. 01:15:33.81 Cameron And. Yeah, no, it's some domestic accident. 01:15:46.82 Leonard Yeah, burn the village down and they're just like we live where there are rocks and no wood anymore because of you. 01:15:53.69 Cameron Yeah, you're still in charge because you know magic but we're not happy about it. You can go live on the surface. Yeah yeah, ah man. Yeah. 01:15:59.40 Dave Or it was like that was my that was my first apprentice that didn't work out I'm I'm poor at choosing apprentices and they keep picking the wrong finger I don't like that. That's a I don't man. 01:15:59.37 Leonard It's right. 01:16:03.35 Leonard Fixed. Yeah. 01:16:10.45 Cameron Um, they really love to pick the wrong finger. Ah, but yeah, they they they they know what the test is culturally and yeah. 01:16:17.79 Dave That was the worst part like they what is a gift to keep freaking doing it like they all know what it is. It's like it's not. It's not something that you do maybe for like outsiders like why are you doing this in the same village like they all know that that's has to test. 01:16:28.65 Leonard I. 01:16:34.74 Cameron Ah, willow is willows collectively wiping the entire population's memory every year who knows who knows ah god. 01:16:35.93 Dave But. 01:16:43.72 Dave Or they're not even there and it's just like the ghosts of his friends. 01:16:48.63 Leonard And. 01:16:50.17 Cameron Ah, anyway, they they come to a burned out nellwin village and they find a nell one who says his name is willow. You found me, you can go now the the most not Willow looking guy I've ever seen this is Silas I kind of love Silas Silas is great. Um. 01:17:04.67 Dave Yeah, well, he's like the stand in Bon car. 01:17:07.20 Leonard Um, yeah. 01:17:09.58 Cameron Yeah, he's Willow's new best friend bodyard kind of guy. Yeah, yeah, he's just risen to prominence whereas he was like a background character. 01:17:13.67 Leonard And and was in the original film. 01:17:25.67 Cameron The film who was sort of there but didn't really say anything to add like half a line or something but will is like no, it's all right I recognize him like how do you know? it's us like well you just kind of look like your mother did you're you're as mean as she was um. 01:17:26.80 Leonard Right. 01:17:37.69 Leonard Do your're, you're yourre, you're a deeply unlikable person just like your mother was when I met you what men I'm met her? Yeah yeah, yeah, actually. 01:17:43.92 Cameron Got that same energy and. 01:17:49.20 Dave And every time sins. 01:17:53.70 Cameron Yeah I mean look if you'd called me a racial slur I wouldn't recognize you from your father but but yeah, willow willow recognizes kit as a sourcecer sacer and bad Margan's child welcomes them as like yeah I knew I knew something bad was happening. 01:17:58.84 Leonard Um, exactly. 01:18:12.85 Cameron Some bad's always happen in the the world is evil and dark and your brother Eric's being kidnapped. He's been taken across the shattered sea to the immemorial city to see the withered crone I'm like you're saying words at me I hate it so much. 01:18:23.23 Leonard You up, you just you're just yeah and it's literally you're just making shit up Now you are quite frankly, just making it up as you speak. 01:18:35.16 Cameron I look I would love that to be the actual case and this whole thing be beer. Yeah, this whole thing being like a play this whole thing being like a play so that he can keep a Laura down and around longer to actually teach us stuff. 01:18:39.60 Dave Oh that would have been so good if he turned and you see him reading a little book like he has it in his vest. 01:18:50.00 Dave I Mean that fits that fits in in line with his other plans that were terrible. 01:18:56.45 Cameron Yeah, ah, but yeah, he recognizes dove. She's the only blonde character in the entire show. It's a Laura danon all grown up. She wasn't spirited away fifteen years ago she was given a different name and handed off to an old woman who worked as a scullery mate. 01:19:12.33 Dave Um, and for all her importance in the prophecy like they weren't even the Queen wasn't even watching her like they were like oh hey, she's gone and they're like what like that's the most that's like you're aside from your children. 01:19:12.54 Leonard Yep. 01:19:13.14 Cameron Said this is your daughter now. Well. 01:19:18.20 Cameron No sort of is sort of vaguely keeping an eye on her but barely the most important person. Yeah yeah. 01:19:29.83 Dave But for the kingdom or the world like the most important person they should you keep better tabs on them. 01:19:35.98 Leonard Hasn't hasn't she done enough. No, she didn't do anything she got carried around as a literal baby like no, she's she's she's in the Grand scheme of things she has done nothing other than exist. 01:19:38.80 Cameron She was a baby. 01:19:51.32 Dave And learned to cook really? well. 01:19:52.80 Leonard Yeah, yeah. 01:19:53.83 Cameron Isn't God Yeah, it's not like she couldn't defend herself now. She's an adult with magical powers or anything you know, maybe she wanted to do something and feel special and important. But. 01:20:03.89 Leonard I don't understand once again this in this universe Magic exists prophecies are real and everyone is like I refuse to believe this thing that I know is true and I'm like I don't what what are we doing here people. 01:20:11.58 Cameron Yeah, so. 01:20:21.10 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:20:22.79 Leonard What what? What's the point. Why why? Even divine the stars if literally nobody who who knows that magic is real is going to have listened to you about this prophecy. 01:20:34.33 Cameron Yes, ah my god. 01:20:37.60 Dave Um, I think the other part of it and it's not.. It's not like it's being said, explicitly is that if if the magic is based on like a belief system which is what it seems to be like. Believe in yourself say the words. Whatever there's some kind of that's your cantripe you use, but it's really based on your your will and if everyone doesn't believe in it then it can't really like exist as much like there I don't think that they're wrong in saying hey you'd Ban magic. 01:20:58.34 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:21:00.49 Leonard Ah. 01:21:04.84 Cameron Yeah, that could be cool. Yeah yeah, it has power out in the world. Still yeah but like. 01:21:11.30 Dave But they just forgot that oh there's other people that like still believe in it. So like that can still affect you. Oh yeah, and you don't even need anything like fancy. You can just wave your hand a couple times and you can turn the whole kingdom into animals like you had that happen to you. It's a real thing like. 01:21:14.10 Leonard Um. 01:21:21.85 Cameron Yeah, yeah, you don't you Yeah, that's that's the thing is yeah yeah, but bathmore to prove the point that it's not about like magical words and things if you are powerful enough. Magic is something you just innately do with your will and whim. 01:21:23.71 Leonard I Think yep. 01:21:41.48 Cameron Like like you're all pigs all of yous. There's not a magic in contagion like Roslle and Willow have to do all the time and which we saw earlier when a Laura just dispelled part of the barrier to walk through it. So like I really want to go this way and like I guess innately just anti magic to herself for a second. 01:21:50.72 Leonard Keep. 01:22:00.26 Cameron Walk through the impenetrable barrier. It's out there. Magic's cool lean into it. You're a fantasy world. You're allowed to have an explicitly magical empire. Oh god this was just the first episode. That's it. 01:22:08.22 Leonard Finished. 01:22:18.83 Cameron Um, the the Laura Dann reveal was fun but not particularly unforeseen as I said in the green room eraron pulled this from like the the 30 second Mark of dove showing up went I bet that's a Laura Dan and she was very happy to be proven right? Most joy we've gotten out of the entire show. Um. 01:22:31.29 Leonard Right. 01:22:39.30 Cameron It's it's just feels like you could cut 80% of the like the bickering style drama and have an episode that's half as long but tells the exact same amount of important story and. 01:22:53.16 Dave Oh you mean the same lesson they learned when they made the movie. 01:22:55.93 Leonard Yeah, which is no lesson. 01:22:56.35 Cameron So yeah, it's no lesson ever learned we we are proudly against education here in the willow in the willow Universe You're not to learn Magic You're not to learn anything of substance. 01:23:09.00 Leonard Yep. 01:23:13.37 Leonard No magic, no geography. No who no economics. Ah. 01:23:16.42 Cameron No economics. No absolutely not terously. Yeah I like the god i' know where to go with this? Um, actually I do want to know 1 thing. 01:23:18.40 Dave Yeah, at least not in Tira's lean apparently they have some kind of schooling in galledorn. 01:23:33.28 Cameron Who makes the denim I Understand that's a somewhat difficult process. There's a lot of denim in this series and I'm still confused about it. 01:23:35.35 Leonard Ah, oh man. 01:23:43.22 Leonard Ah, man what if there was a Nell Win Denim Factory and that's what burned the town down. 01:23:46.93 Cameron Um, the Nell ones famous for making this sturdy blue cloth. Yeah. 01:23:53.14 Dave From their vast Cotton fields. 01:23:55.17 Leonard Tight and interwoven like nothing you've ever experienced. 01:23:59.92 Dave It must be magical. We can't have that. 01:24:03.97 Cameron Even a knife can't cut through this through this cloth. It's like steel armor. It's like ah hey actually tyers lean Knights in full like head to toe like double layeryed denim would be a look quilted quilted denim. 01:24:06.98 Leonard Um. 01:24:14.60 Leonard Oh yeah, if they were all just wearing Canadian tuxedos like it'd be insane. Yeah. 01:24:21.96 Cameron Quilted denim padding on all the armor. Please it's hard wearing. You know it's it's a uniform color. Oh man. Um, like I could sum up episode 2 and I think 3 sentence. 01:24:32.68 Leonard Ah. 01:24:41.87 Cameron Um, so let's do that quickly just sort of cover. The the gist of that. Um, we we get a flashback of willow and saha having a falling out when willow wants to teach a Laura down and how to use her magic because she doesn't use it. She'll lose it. Ah. 01:24:42.75 Dave Yeah I don't remember what happened like nothing happens. 01:25:00.80 Cameron Then they all meet the Nell and villages including Mims who's very sweet and I do love Mims and willow getting along it is the sweetest. Yeah yeah, that would have been cool. Um. 01:25:06.30 Dave Yeah, what the Mims just should have went on the journey and like replaced kit. 01:25:11.19 Leonard Yeah, yeah. 01:25:16.88 Cameron Commander ballantine gets sent to go catch up to all of them with a few other knights because dove's gone missing and Sasha realizes ah all Laura Dan and slipped away from us and then Ballentine turns evil because he was infected by the lich in the battle when he got this. He got this. Stke stuck into his armpit. Ah. 01:25:36.82 Dave Um, it's like he well he was turned into an apprentice like that's a weird. Okay yeah. 01:25:40.45 Leonard Has. 01:25:40.94 Cameron Yeah, yeah, a disciple and apprentice that kind of thing and then willow tries to teach a Laura how to use magic for half an hour and just gets more frustrated and yells at her the entire time and I feel really bad because that doesn't feel like goodwillow. 01:25:57.24 Leonard No, but but but butdy does buddy does have a really good lying where he's like what are you doing with with your face like just be be a human being say it like a person and I'm like actually that's. 01:25:59.16 Cameron That's that's not willow off good. That's willow off bad. Um. 01:26:08.50 Cameron Yeah, yeah, that was very funny. Um and then she has a falling out with everyone because everyone's tired of her saying the same 4 words over and over again at maximum volume. Ah. 01:26:15.26 Leonard Also kind of funny. 01:26:24.14 Dave For hours. 01:26:27.90 Cameron Walks off continues to do that in the forest brushes off gradin who clearly is like the hero worshipping at her and then just as she gets the spell ride. She gets knocked out and we fade to black and we hit the rock music because every episode every episode. 01:26:39.45 Leonard Yeah, the anachronistic the anachronistic in the music ending which drives me up the wall. 01:26:47.12 Cameron Every episode ends with indie rock and I'd like that's a choice you've made I don't think it's the right one. 01:26:51.43 Leonard That is it. It's it's a very it's a very CW choice you've decided to make for your fantasy series. This. 01:26:58.35 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So yeah, yeah, the look the lessons from these first 2 episodes are grad and cool. Silas is cool. Borman is cool. 01:26:59.94 Dave Ah, for this CW show it's what it looks like just team drama. 01:27:13.96 Cameron Everyone else I'm not particularly invested. 01:27:17.80 Leonard Nope. 01:27:17.80 Dave I'm trying to figure out like the target demographic for this because it's not no, but it's not aimed at like people that were kids growing up with this either like this is Anathema like I watch this and I'm just like. 01:27:20.17 Cameron Um, that that is also the weird thing It's not modern kids. Yeah. 01:27:30.20 Cameron No absolutely yeah. 01:27:34.76 Dave Shirking away with my entire soul like I'm like who is this for this is terrible. 01:27:35.55 Cameron Yeah, yeah, it's fine. 01:27:41.91 Leonard It's made for people who it's made for people who consume media that talk about it on the internet not talking about us I'm talking about reaction channels and and ah people Ah, and also people who. 01:27:50.96 Cameron Ah. 01:27:58.16 Leonard Want to get angry at ah modern media ruining things from their childhood that they hadn't that they had a love for. 01:28:00.97 Cameron Ah, oh man, there's that there's definitely a reaction channel that went through this entire series and went wow that was really good. We should watch the movie and the first thing of import they say in the movie react is. No one told me Val Kilma was in this, you never gonna know. 01:28:18.25 Leonard The right. 01:28:19.44 Dave Go. 01:28:24.68 Leonard Yeah, this is made for nothing. This is made for nobody. It's it was made in order to cash in on a brand. 01:28:25.29 Dave I so. 01:28:33.97 Dave I Mean maybe I guess I Yeah well I mean they brought back as many people as they could they tried to get like everybody that was still alive. So I. 01:28:35.64 Cameron I mean Warwick Davis seems to genuinely enjoy being willow but like yeah and he probably didn't see the final cut before it went out. 01:28:39.39 Leonard Yes. 01:28:47.70 Leonard Right. 01:28:48.20 Cameron Yeah, yeah, all 3 of them. Yeah, that's it's it's staying true to the roots in that way. Yeah, but also yeah, it's just not a great show. 01:28:52.48 Dave I dig that I mean that's it's good to see that they did that at least? yeah, but no, it's not benefiting anything you're like okay. 01:29:00.23 Leonard I mean I like I literally liked the only stuff that I liked was the stuff that was directly calling back to the movie which is once again a film that I'm not even crazy about. 01:29:08.31 Cameron Are. 01:29:15.59 Leonard I cannot stress it listeners if you have not listened to Cameron and I talk about willow the film go back and listen to it because I am. Ah, significantly more generous to it than I am to the show but it's not like 1 of the Leonard classics that I'd love to death. 01:29:34.80 Cameron Yeah, yeah, it's yeah. 01:29:37.87 Dave You know? well so I think what that's doing is the callbacks aren't nostalgia. They're exposition. It's it's calling. It's referencing something that actually has a context and a meaning just not. 01:29:45.60 Cameron No yes hey. 01:29:49.36 Leonard Um, yeah. 01:29:53.52 Cameron Yeah, you hey hey guys did you know about this and people who haven't watched Willow the movie will go wow that feels like something and people who've watched willow move and go. You're just telling me what you told me twenty four years ago that even along with thirty something years ago got 01:29:54.18 Leonard Right. 01:29:57.18 Dave A lot of 1 just saying what did. 01:30:08.18 Dave Yeah, thirty five years ago 01:30:11.55 Leonard Ah. 01:30:11.82 Cameron Thirty five years ago oh god that's too long. 01:30:16.38 Dave Yeah, they're like well the characters I mean the actors have aged this much. But we're not going to like do that we're going to make it half the time has passed for no reason. 01:30:26.31 Leonard Right. 01:30:26.38 Cameron You could have made it the 30 years and it really could have maybe even benefited from that not being a teenage adventure story. 01:30:32.51 Dave Well I think they didn't want to go? Oh now we have a thirty year old aloodendum we want like a teenaged hero's journey. 01:30:37.40 Leonard Nor I. 01:30:39.41 Cameron You can still have that just have thirty year old a Laura Danen is the mentor figure skip further be like a Laura went through her own whole thing now she's like the willow style wise sorcerer and willows also still here as. 01:30:49.44 Dave Oh yeah I mean they did seem. 01:30:54.37 Leonard I Mean they that there there are are plenty of things that they could have done to make this good but they decided against all of them. 01:30:57.64 Cameron Yes. 01:31:05.26 Cameron Um, again, it's a choice. It's a choice This was not accidental. 01:31:07.90 Leonard Yeah, the the poor choices but choices nonetheless. 01:31:09.38 Dave But ah. 01:31:14.49 Dave I Mean the thing is you know that this was workshopped and gone through like a writer's room and all kinds and and it's like what was the form of this before that happened was it because maybe this was like the better version and I'm afraid of that. 01:31:17.45 Cameron Ah, oh yeah. 01:31:24.52 Cameron Yeah, data. 01:31:24.73 Leonard Ah, probably good. Um I'm going to think it was's problem I I I thoroughly I thoroughly believe that at the beginning someone was like hey how about we have baffmore to come back. 01:31:30.14 Cameron Those are the 2 options we have. 01:31:40.52 Leonard And someone else was like but she exiled herself out of the out of the universe and then the first person said there's no concept of anything and how the world works in that film. We can literally just make it up as we go along and then the second person was like all right? but. It's Dawson's creek now and the first person said oh okay. 01:32:02.12 Cameron Um, yeah. 01:32:05.73 Dave But it's just okay, thanks. That was the title now where we got other stuff. Um, we will have coming up soon. 01:32:06.10 Cameron Oh God Yeah, that was willow. We won't be covering the rest of we won't be covering the rest of this show. 01:32:10.62 Leonard Um, that is. 01:32:22.54 Dave And I have to behind the curtains arrange things. But um, cabinet of curiosities is on the plate in the in um, a sooner than later fashion. Yeah. 01:32:26.85 Cameron Yeah, yes, Yay I Got to rewatch all of that again that was really good. 01:32:28.82 Leonard Yay. 01:32:33.36 Leonard It was really good and there are a couple of choice episodes that I am super excited to talk about. 01:32:38.79 Dave Yeah, and we'll have a returning very long time ago guest coming back for that which is fun. It's always had fun to talk to people like 6 years after you talked to them previously. 01:32:41.26 Cameron I'm here to talk about the Autopsy and nothing else. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh god really pulling. 01:32:55.23 Leonard It's it's It's very exciting to talk about things that you like yeah. 01:32:56.58 Dave Yeah, um. 01:32:58.86 Cameron It is isn't it I yeah I mean I I'm gonna I'm going to pull this one out I'm goingnna keep watching willow until I end and season 1 01:33:00.51 Dave Yeah, we can look forward. We can look forward to that. 01:33:08.77 Dave Till you end. Okay, well. 01:33:11.88 Leonard Um, thank you and until until this show kills me I'm going to keep watching it. 01:33:19.55 Cameron Um, yeah I'll probably once that's done do like a little short postmortem on Twitter be like hey finished willow here's what I thought it's it's gonna be short and sweet. Yeah. 01:33:26.98 Dave Yeah I mean that's fine. We'll we'll just do like a little Addendum little update on your sanity. 01:33:35.29 Cameron Yeah, like how how are you going this wheel I finished will ah I don't want to talk about. 01:33:42.97 Dave Ah, a well I think we'll wrap this up. We've we've done a whole episode length on the thing we don't like so we did it. It's done. We'll we'll mostly never have to think about this again. 01:33:43.12 Cameron Ah, oh God Yeah we have we did? Yay! finally. 01:33:59.56 Dave Um. 01:34:00.35 Leonard Um, insert evo gall on congratulations ah Gif here. 01:34:01.60 Cameron A Medata O Medata yeah admin where we find everyone on the incident. 01:34:08.40 Dave Oh I feel myself turning into salt now. 01:34:11.27 Leonard That. 01:34:17.61 Dave On the internet Twitter is is a trash fire I hate it. It's so bad. It's still there. But it's wrong and broken I don't know. Yeah, we're on Twitter and. 01:34:20.22 Cameron So. Still is still there though I'm still confused about why that? Yeah yeah. 01:34:37.23 Dave I'm on there at cin underscore plus that'll be in the notes. Leonard is also on there. He is Dr Fart is dead cameron and at os and yeah at Abernock Productions got Knight underscore to it and. 01:34:45.81 Leonard And and also at Humbernox productions. 01:34:46.65 Cameron Yep yep, Yes, can't forget forget your professionals. Yes, um yep, that's me see photos of my cat and also eventually my postmortem on willow win. 01:34:56.46 Dave That's night without a k. 01:35:00.83 Dave When that errors that'll be the the final nail in the coffin of Twitter you'll helpll put put that and it just everything just shuts down. Oh and then the podcast itself mo underscore demaster which we always. 01:35:02.48 Cameron Ah, get around to watching the other half of it. Yeah yeah, Elon Musk will shut the hole side down at that point. 01:35:16.14 Cameron Yes. 01:35:19.32 Dave Except for this week um let you know in advance what we're doing. This was a a last minute debate on what if we were going to even cover this because well you can see why you just listened to us tell you why? yeah. 01:35:22.81 Cameron Yeah, yeah, it was a week there were there was troll which isn't anything new or there was willow which was terrible. It was a hard choice. 01:35:32.11 Leonard Um. 01:35:38.86 Dave Yeah, go watch troll though on Netflix that that was fun. It's fun. It's entertaining. Yeah, nothing nothing new on the on the troll front there it it covered the mountain king and the the dover gruin and the doveder mountains so we've seen all that before. Um. 01:35:41.79 Cameron It's a good film Good film just not not anything new for us to talk about big Rocky guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:35:58.66 Dave But it was is updated a little bit. There's some star trek references for some reason but you know they could yeah why not their friends. Ah yeah, that's us signing off, we will catch y'all next week with something else. It won't it won't be cabinet of curiosities I don't think. 01:36:00.36 Cameron It was fine. Quite nice because they could. 01:36:17.58 Cameron Yeah, it'll be a surprise. Yeah. 01:36:18.69 Dave Um, but that should be coming up soon sometime in February probably um I don't know where it'll be. It'll be a surprise but we'll let you know in advance so slightly advanced surprise I don't know is late I'm I'm fading. Ah yeah. 01:36:31.53 Cameron Go to sleep Dave by everybody one. 01:36:34.86 Dave I'm it's time. It's time for sleep. So byebye folks. 01:36:40.20 Leonard Um, goodbye.