05:51.85 Dave My name is Dave and I'll be here host for this episode I am joined today by Leonard. How's it going Leonard. 05:59.46 Leonard Um, it's good I'm ready to talk about um cold places. 06:08.13 Dave Um, and Cameron's also here how's it going cameron. 06:10.14 Cameron Hi everyone I'm back again. Um you you you all figured I was going to be intermittent when I said I was getting married in like a month or half and now it's like a month so yay I'm doing well. 06:19.92 Dave Yeah, it's all it's this month just the last two months to be fair last two years I don't know time has flown time. Yeah, it's is it real I don't know. Yeah. 06:27.40 Cameron Yeah time, Yeah, it not sure studies yet to show. Ah yeah. 06:37.47 Leonard Um, the ah man. 06:38.69 Dave It's almost September um, that's a surprise for everybody. 06:43.94 Cameron Oh god. 06:46.68 Dave Ah, yeah, it's going to be a busy so I think on all maybe on all fronts we got we got stuff that we're taken care of too also at the same time. Um, yeah, so we are we are back to Eldon ring. 06:58.54 Cameron Yay. 07:05.54 Dave Um, sadly ah the time that you were super busy cameron. We had to say goodbye to the blue bogan and. 07:09.75 Cameron Yeah. 07:16.57 Cameron Ah, well it rides in my dreams. So. 07:19.55 Dave Your yes ride on you Shiny Diamond spider. 07:25.32 Leonard It'll it. It'll it'll exist in a more pristine state than if you had actually witnessed it with your eyes so hold on to those hold on to those dreams. Yes. 07:30.46 Cameron So that's fair, those those beautiful dreams. 07:35.50 Dave Yeah, it's just like the little outline of spider waving in the sky. 07:41.90 Leonard They can go. 07:45.42 Cameron Ah, ah well this life? yes. 07:47.72 Dave Yeah, it is what it is. It's it's done is the the thing. Um I'm so excited. It's over that I had to bring it up again just to just send it off a second time. 08:00.90 Leonard Yep, see see a bogan cowboy. 08:04.13 Dave Yeah, yeah, I feel like there's another sea of bougin Bogugan like what see you later Bogans Ah, ah. 08:07.44 Cameron Ah, ah yeah, probably yeah, see a space bogan doesn't fit though. So yeah. 08:10.37 Leonard The. 08:21.82 Dave Yeah, so we're back with Eldon ring this episode we are. We are tackling the mountaintops of the giants and the the wonderful lead up. Um. 08:22.56 Cameron A. 08:35.44 Dave Of the Forbidden lands after after we have defeated um that guy I don't know why isn't it you yeah the fellowa he's he's the fellow. Yeah, he's O King Ya yeah because he's he's he is. 08:35.47 Cameron I. 08:42.52 Leonard More got the fail omen that I'm sorry more got the or I'm sorry Omen King yes Yes, yeah yeah, he 08:47.21 Cameron And Omen King he's he is both to be fair. 08:54.66 Dave He's not marg. He's morgo this time he just took his mustache off. 08:55.74 Cameron What a fantastic disguise. 09:00.76 Leonard Yeah, he he's he he stopped he stopped wearing the the skin of that commoner out in the in the fields and and decided to put on a crown. 09:06.70 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 09:13.26 Cameron Ah, Margaret the fell omen more got the omen King who could have guessed I do love that guy. 09:18.38 Dave I was a King all along foul tarnished. 09:21.60 Leonard Yeah, that's that's how that's how I was able to talk to you so long after you killed me the first time because I wasn't really dead right. 09:28.26 Cameron Yeah, we don't touch voice chat until the very last moment. Yeah yeah. 09:36.79 Leonard And they don't even have the metal gear revengeance excuse of it's an ai brain talking to you after you've cut them up into a million pieces. 09:44.15 Dave Yeah. 09:46.95 Cameron Yeah, oh well. Yeah, we've gotten through the capital and now we get to go to the super secret northern area that you've been able to see the entire game because there's that peak right up near the Earth tree. There run looks like looks at and goes Wow That's real high up there. 10:01.20 Dave Yeah, you can't see that for the glow. The the tree is all don't go there. It is verboten and with you you It's very taboo you shouldn't go there. There's. 10:04.19 Cameron M. 10:04.48 Leonard The yeah. 10:08.71 Cameron Yeah, yeah, Ist verboden. 10:14.18 Leonard Yeah, these are from the before times like pre Covid so you do they? they're not even remotely interesting to you or applicable to your life in any way anymore. 10:22.89 Cameron Yeah, none anymore. 10:23.46 Dave Not anymore. Yeah, there's only the all per all pervading the watch fly. Yeah I don't I don't know what the analogy would if there's not 1 anyway. 10:32.48 Cameron Whatever the tree stands for in this year no yeah yeah, but yeah, hey the the tree doesn't want you, you're terrible. Go away thorns everywhere. 10:43.95 Dave Yeah, you go sit in the corner over there. Yeah say you have to travel through the Forbidden lands to get to the lift that will take you up to the mountaintops because they're up on a mountain. They're high on a peak. 10:46.70 Leonard Um, right. 10:57.46 Cameron Yes. 11:02.82 Dave And the the forbidden lands are not only Forbidden they are boring and you are snowblind because that's just have a giant freaking blizzard. 11:11.44 Cameron Yeah, yeah, pretty much I Yeah yeah like the the vaguely interesting thing about it is like that weird red. 11:14.76 Leonard It's very foggy. It's it's foggy down there. It's obscure that their forms are doth obscure it from us. 11:30.51 Cameron Gray light that occasionally shows up in the fog but apart from that it's not really anything going on here apart from vagrant Militia if I remember correctly and. 11:38.45 Leonard Yep yep, yeep the small people and because being small and huh. You know what? I just thought about something I'm like is sir Gideon like roughly the size of like a vant. But like vagrant militia because he's like the shortest mpc that's ever been in like a frosof game other than like melty guy from blood born but he was like melted into the floor I know he's hunched over I know he's not actually melted. But. 11:59.50 Cameron Guests. 12:06.80 Cameron I Ah yeah, it's his secret strength. He's so little. It's hard to see him. 12:08.26 Leonard Like he's shorter than the player character which is highly unusual for or from soft game. Yeah, yeah, then when you do you just want to ignore him most of the time be perfectly. Honest, um I did I just I just realized like I'm like. 12:19.61 Cameron Yeah. 12:24.69 Dave Um, yeah. 12:27.66 Leonard Oh maybe no because they're still smaller than him. But yeah. 12:30.96 Cameron Yeah, even smaller? Yes, Ah, he's a little weirdo in the late game. 12:32.87 Dave Yeah I don't know Gideon's being pretty furtive to me. 12:36.56 Leonard Yeah, yeah, there we go? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, only in the late game. He's not. He's not weird or unpleasant or somebody you want to punch in the throat at any other point in time. 12:44.37 Cameron So well. So. 12:51.11 Cameron So you know what? that's fair. That's fair I'll eat that one. Oh man. 12:53.70 Leonard Throughout the gay. Ah. 12:59.56 Dave But yeah, so you you make your way through the the Forbidden lands and run into one of the I thought this is a pretty annoying fight but I have tackled most of this game horrendously like not quite leveled enough. 13:10.45 Cameron And. Be a. 13:18.70 Dave Um, Leonard what's what's this figure that guards the lift. 13:24.77 Leonard I Think it's ah the um like malicchis ah black Blade kindred there. We go is a yes with the black corpse or wack. So you know that they're aligned with malicchith. 13:30.35 Cameron Yes, the special gog oil. 13:30.91 Dave Yes, yeah, they do have the yeah. 13:39.60 Cameron Yeah, it is interesting. These guys are scattered around and I'm not sure a hundred percent of what this one is doing here and I got a couple guesses and. 13:50.74 Leonard Ah, probably keeping probably keeping people from going to the mountain tops of the giants where all the dark secrets of the past are hidden. Yeah. 13:50.85 Dave Dart guarding the lift. 13:55.14 Cameron So yeah, true, fair enough fair enough, you convinced me. Ah, yeah, this guy comes out of nowhere and man I didn't like fighting him. Not just you. 14:10.70 Dave Okay, it wasn't just me then because this was this was bad. Um me it it. It took less tries than I thought it was going to maybe like 3 2 or 3 wasn't it wasn't horrendous but it just like I didn't enjoy it. 14:13.72 Cameron The black blades are tough. Yeah. And. 14:24.50 Cameron Okay. 14:26.47 Leonard Um, it was fine because I had I summoned millicent because if you progressed her quest line enough. Um then her summon sign will be there and I asked. 14:31.37 Cameron Ah. 14:35.85 Cameron So that's actually very cool. 14:39.63 Leonard And I also had my fully upgraded dung eater puppet as well. So um, yes, but I can absolutely understand how annoying this boss would be in any other circumstances because. 14:42.53 Cameron Oh yes, of course. 14:57.20 Leonard Dark oils aren't fun to fight. They're not fun to fight. Um and the only thing that I take so in is that I see their sad pitiful desiccated forms spewing ah perfume out of every orifice in select locations in the game. 14:57.21 Cameron No, no, no. 15:09.97 Cameron Yeah. 15:15.28 Leonard Um, because that's what they should be doing. But yeah, the it's just Bizarre Once again, the gargoyles are also super bizarre because it's like they're rotting but they're patched together with corpse wax and I'm like wait but that like everything indicates that. Like nothing else is was this a thing like going on before the shattering. What? What's what's going on with the garb, especially if they're like ones that are apt actually dedicated to like malicath. 15:37.21 Cameron And. 15:48.58 Leonard It makes me like wonder like what was is this like with the corpse wax to like keep them from dying I mean I think it was ah zuli the witch video that did a close up and their heads are actually like two half faces fuse together. 16:03.85 Cameron Yeah, yeah, they're weird looking. 16:07.93 Leonard Yeah, they're deeply unpleasant. They are the most unpleasant looking gargoyles that from Soft has as thrown at us. Yeah. 16:15.28 Cameron So yeah, to be fair this this game has a lot of the most unpleasant version of X in it. So. 16:22.50 Leonard This is true. 16:27.31 Cameron Yeah, but yeah, you fight him and it's another Grand Lift Hooray Um I don't remember if we have a talisman for this one initially do we or is it just automatically go up. It's a talisman one again isn't it. 16:29.94 Leonard Yes. 16:39.81 Leonard Ah, where're get yeah, we're given 1 by um melna. She just? yeah, she just hands it to you when she's like oh. 16:41.38 Dave Um, it's yeah. 16:44.40 Cameron Ah, yeah, good. 16:48.71 Leonard I Guess I have to reattach myself to you like a vestigial limb here's ah, here's a medallion and go go to the mountaintop so we can burn their tree. 16:53.38 Cameron Ah, yeah, yeah, I'm like a spirit thing so I was able to get in the Earth tree and see what's going on but you're going to need to get in there yourself to fix this off your pap and we ride the lift up. 17:06.12 Leonard Um, right. 17:10.83 Cameron Hooray. 17:12.80 Dave Um, yeah, it's surprising I mean the lifts are because of the the way. Everything's kind of stitched together The liftft rides are really long like there's a lot of actual verticality here that you don't think about. 17:19.49 Cameron There. 17:26.99 Leonard Yeah. 17:29.50 Dave Because everywhere you go it ends up being kind of flat again, but you have gone up somewhere. They're up there. Yeah. 17:32.14 Leonard Yes, yeah. 17:33.77 Cameron Yeah, yeah, these these mountaintops they are kind of crazy high up getting up near the peak of the Earth tree um not quite. 17:42.42 Leonard Yeah, they almost challenge the the height of the Earth tree but not quite because the Earth tree must be the only thing that anyone looks at at any point in time ever. 17:54.54 Cameron So yeah, yeah, and I mean yeah, it does specifically like we said earlier can't see the mountaintops for the light of the tree it does kind of obscure this area pretty heavily from most places. Um, which could be semi-intentional. 18:07.52 Leonard Ah. 18:10.12 Cameron Ah, not just that in. It's a secret zone because the map they did that great thing where the map unveils piece by piece and literally stretches to accommodate the new stuff you put in it. Um, but yeah, this zone is really high. It's really up there and it's kind of really fun. Lawwise little less fun. Gameplaywise is my overall impression. It was very pretty m. 18:33.19 Leonard And it's pretty too. They're like so they're like ghost trees which hey you know out of all the things that I've out of all the ghosts that I've seen in my nearly four decades on this planet a ghost tree. 18:47.66 Cameron Yeah, yeah, fair enough. 18:50.82 Leonard Is is actually new I have in fact, never seen the ghost street before but all the animals all the all the endemic wildlife are are ghosts that you can't hunt just liffing. Um, actually they're like the ah they're like the animal like the ghosts. 19:00.63 Cameron I. And in the ancestor areas. Yeah. 19:09.27 Leonard Spirit animals in. Yeah yeah. 19:09.79 Dave Yeah, well I mean these are all thecestra spirited animals and we found out where the entw wives went to ghost trees. 19:17.19 Cameron It? Yes, yeah yeah, it. It is absolutely very pretty I had been waiting the whole game for a snow area because I'm one of those people who loves crown of the Ivory King more than they should even the terrible bits. 19:18.41 Leonard Yes. 19:37.10 Cameron Ah, it's not even real snow in that case, Um, and yeah like this area Absolutely is gorgeous. It has some of those like scenic things. 19:38.57 Dave Um, and that's an end up in real snow. 19:51.20 Cameron I think are really fantastic like you know, riding along the giant chain and emerging from like curling around a peak to see an even higher peak in front of you that you've got to get up on. It's got all that kind of great stuff. Um, and then there's just not. 20:00.48 Leonard Yeah. 20:09.73 Cameron A ton of zone stuff going on here like this. It's a big area. It's not dense. Yeah, it's sprinkled which I mean fair, you know is we're sort of getting into the late game here. Kind kind as sort like this back off barely. 20:13.71 Dave Yeah, it's sprinkled little sprinkles. No. 20:28.27 Cameron Um, because this game is weird and huge and omnidirectional. Ah, but yeah, things are sort of more sprinkled around. Um, there's only a few catacombs and other things to sort of find off off the off the beaten path as it were. Ah yeah. 20:43.63 Dave I think there's just 2 20:47.58 Cameron Exactly for such a big area. It's kind of wild. There's only 2 extra caves basically um, but the the stuff here is pretty interesting because the first thing you really find when you come up the lift is someone whom if you've been doing their quest has been dead for the last. Twenty thirty hours ah it's it's your samurai pal with his with his big woven hat and super long sword and but it's not also um, we get to meet. Ah, what is it shabriri. 21:24.44 Dave Yeah, shariri the the the myth the man the myth for the legend. 21:24.67 Leonard Yes. 21:26.83 Cameron Finally, yes, the man the myth the legend. Yes, yeah, yeah, no longer is it eura it is Shebreri who is essentially a ghost topping bodies at this point. Um, and yeah, he's here to give you a warm up like hey don't worry. 21:29.83 Leonard The smirk. Yeah. 21:46.56 Cameron This guy wasn't using his body anymore. So I just borrowed it. Um, hey you you like Melano right? But you've been talking with her at all the churches and she's been letting you level up and you were glad when she came back and kind of sad when she went away earlier in the capital like yeah, yeah, cool. Do you want her to not die. Listen to me I'll teach you how to destroy the world but save the woman you love and I went I'm not so sure about this actually. 22:11.60 Leonard Yeah, he he he literally he literally just palpatines you. He's like you know Anekin I could now you know you know you know future lord. 22:22.12 Cameron This is a. 22:26.50 Leonard I'd once heard that there was a way to keep pregnant women from dying and it's basically yeah, he just basically palpatines and Pat pays you to which I said. 22:31.89 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, go. 22:40.64 Leonard Well to be fair to which I said no I no I I don't actually because somehow my my all my venturing around broke mellon has ah give me info on stuff ah thing. Um, so I didn't even know that that was a thing ah for most of my first run. 22:49.69 Cameron I Honor a and ah man so she just kind of didn't talk to you at all really. 22:59.99 Leonard So I was just do she just didn't do anything ah and then in my second run I was just like you know what? I'm just actually going to aim for her ah home the ah the ah flame of of of of chaos. 23:04.72 Cameron For. 23:14.62 Cameron So yeah. 23:16.73 Leonard So by the time I got here I had already become the lord of the flame so he was so he was just dead. The body was just there and I picked up his stuff. Yeah, he doesn't even give you a smiel. He's just already like up. Well. 23:25.78 Cameron Oh oh interesting. So. 23:34.28 Leonard Um, already got what I wanted then collapsed to the floor. 23:38.70 Cameron He fair enough he knows what he wants and um, the hey I'll give credit to the voice actor here. He's putting in the work. Let Chaos take the world. It is on and on and on going absolutely nut. 23:44.29 Leonard Yeah. 23:53.55 Cameron About how the coolest thing ever is that big Yellow fireball that kept killing you when you tried to walk up that one Hill ah. 23:57.81 Leonard Um, yep, good. 24:02.47 Dave Well I mean he's he's gone insane years and years and years and centuries ago who knows yeah, it's probably been a long time. He was use a bonkers a while. Um, and yeah I didn't even realize that that's. 24:03.43 Cameron I Yeah yeah yeah I yeah. 24:07.27 Leonard Century probably Millenn Millennia to be perfectly. Honest, yeah. 24:20.34 Dave Didn't think that that's who he was referring to I thought it was the um maiden that you help by feeding her the the shaburi grapes because she's she is also. 24:27.76 Leonard Um, yeah. 24:27.90 Cameron Oh the the grapes his ah his old eyes. Yes, yeah. 24:36.70 Dave Another person who has like taken over a body because she took over the body of the first maiden you run into or the potential maiden. 24:37.60 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 24:46.00 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 24:50.64 Leonard Of the what's is the captain at ah Castle Morton's daughter is that what's going on I you know I never actually went but okay I never actually what yeah because they look exactly the same and I just assume. 24:54.20 Dave Um, yeah, yes, as far as I could tell. 24:56.95 Cameron And that makes a lot more sense and. 25:03.32 Dave Yeah, it's it's her um, having usurped that body in order to go guide the frenzied Lord which is you now that's my understanding of it. 25:12.87 Cameron And oh oh, that's crazy that makes that even more tragic in hindsight. No, that's very cool I like that even if it's wrong I'll I'll ascribe to it. Um, that's really cool. Yeah. 25:12.98 Leonard Um, oh. 25:26.40 Dave Yeah, I'm thinking that she really is like oh you know you've been guiding her and then you fed her my eyes I mean there's technically other other people's eyes. But um, because you have to give her ah ah the fingerprint the wall the fingerprint grape. 25:31.82 Cameron So yeah. And 3 of the grapes and things. Yeah. 25:40.30 Leonard They have the fingerprint that you get from vike vike. 25:43.87 Dave And that's that that's um, var No no, no um bike That's vike's I who's become free. He he wanted to become the Elder Lord and ended up going down the wrong path or down the frenzied path and. 25:46.72 Cameron I Like yeah oh man. 25:58.50 Cameron Man. Yeah. 26:03.37 Dave By giving ah her so she can see she's being led by Grace to go do her what she thinks is her job. But once you once you tell her what she's eating. 26:11.23 Cameron I Yeah yeah. 26:22.43 Cameron You that grapes. Yeah, something like that. 26:22.72 Dave Because she just thinks they're something like you know I don't think they don't think she thinks are specifically grapes but that's what they're called and so she doesn't cheek's blind. She can't see them and she just keeps eating them and she's like that's why they're making that funky pop or whatever in my mouth and um. 26:29.12 Cameron So yeah. 26:40.00 Cameron Oh God ah. 26:42.60 Dave Because she you tell her what she's eating and then she's like okay, can you I need another one because I these help me see where I'm supposed to go because I'm I'm blind but I can see like a light when I eat them? um and I just I just walking toward it so you give her ah the fingerprint I. 26:47.46 Cameron Yeah. 27:01.90 Dave And then she can see the frenzied flame. That's what she's being guided toward now because you gave her that cursed 1 27:04.78 Cameron Ah, yeah. 27:08.52 Leonard I Thought she was always being guided by the the frenzy flame because all of the all of the um, all the ghosts that talk about um like ah. Come out of the dark and give give the maiden your grapes are all the same character model of like the Frenzy Village. Um. 27:28.40 Dave Yeah, yeah I mean that that that that one though is the the penul but penultimate one. It's it's because it's a tarnished insane Tarnished Lord I That's the final beacon. 27:32.78 Leonard Oh yeah, the one that yeah. 27:40.84 Cameron And. 27:43.71 Leonard Right? right. 27:46.94 Dave And so I thought Shariria was telling you to go like to you know, take her place so she just doesn't get burned. You know he it's it's not like he's not specifically saying hey that's what's going to happen but he's telling you. That's what's going to happen. 27:50.74 Cameron I. 27:59.26 Cameron Yeah. 28:04.19 Dave So you go okay I will go meet with 3 fingers and do this thing. 28:06.79 Cameron So man. 28:11.24 Leonard Yeah I just assumed that it was melana specifically because of um, how um, an area later on at the at the top of the mountaintop plays out depending on whether you. Taken on that mantle or if you're still on your way to becoming the Eldon Lord because there are 2 distinct different ways. Yeah well no I mean specifically um, like ah because we're trying to reach the the I want to say the kiln of the first flame but it's like the. 28:32.50 Dave Yeah, different endings or different paths. 28:42.67 Dave To crucible crucible of the giant firedite. 28:44.17 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 28:45.87 Leonard Yeah, the crucible of the fire. Yeah, the fire giants and if you have taken on the ah frenzy flame lord ending um Melana abandons you immediately as soon as you sit down at a side of Grace. So when you get to the crucible. It is. The actually the frenzy flame that um ignites the earth tree as opposed to using her as kindling. 29:15.30 Cameron That's pretty cool I'm I'm finding out still so much stuff I never knew about this game? Yeah yeah, like. 29:22.31 Leonard Yeah, yeah. 29:22.90 Dave It's just so big. Um. 29:25.61 Cameron I got into the catacomm under lanedell that eventually leads down to the frenzy flame area but I never found the way from there further down and I just gave up eventually and when played the rest of the game and act totally forgot about it. So this is all news to me. 29:45.48 Dave Yeah I went down there and um because I've been kind of following ah the optimal path that's with big quotes because it's like not I don't think um. 29:54.37 Cameron Yes. 30:02.68 Dave And that's that all way that keeps putting the ah secret underground passages um toward the like the last thing you do like 1 of the last ones just because of the difficulty and I would just periodically go back and check I'm like Nope these omens are still just. Kicking my ass like I can't fight them regularly like even now and it's like I mean I'll I'll to go back and try Again. It's been a few level I've I've had a few levels happen since the last time I went down there and I respect completely to Using. Um. 30:24.56 Cameron I. 30:30.74 Cameron I yeah. 30:40.94 Dave Am I even using now I am using? Oh ah, the um, it's not as dal. It's the other guy. 30:53.70 Cameron And and the other asto. 30:56.87 Leonard Oh um, ah the yeah, the stars not the wing of Thattel but the the boss weapon bustle remembrance weapon. 31:02.81 Dave Um, yeah, he's yeah, it's yeah it says like Mandible because it is a is a ah great spear I guess but you can it does. 31:09.37 Cameron And. 31:18.12 Dave Does crushing and piercing I think but um, the the secondary attack is um, gravity lightning like that strikes a one like just keeps hitting down ah and that because I've been using. 31:26.37 Cameron You? Oh yeah. 31:38.55 Dave Um, the Wow I Never remember that name it records hungry sword. It's full of tongues. Um, yeah, the vosphemous a blade. Yeah yeah. 31:46.11 Cameron So yeah, the tasty blade there we go. 31:47.17 Leonard Um, the blasph the blasphemous play. 31:57.65 Dave Because I've been using that the whole time I'm just all I'm used to have like that's my 1 ranged thing is that fine so swapping it out is it's a similar move set and then gives me pretty like a slightly longer distance a big attack. 32:02.41 Cameron And. 32:12.30 Cameron And. 32:15.40 Dave So I I S switched over to that. Um, because the damage is they're roughly equivalent. It's I don't know 50 points off of 1 or 1 or the other ah and I don't remember why I Oh oh I haven't gone back down into the those. Sewers with that weapon because the the Records Bus Miss Blade just wasn't It's too slow so that might be my issue is like the omen guys are really fast and by time I I can't do multiple hits like it's just not. 32:40.94 Cameron And. Yeah. 32:53.37 Dave Working they turn and do their word superdash thing and one shot me So I'll I'll try it again. Maybe it'll go better at this time. Yeah, ah I do have I I when I respect myself I've put more so. 32:59.39 Leonard Oh yeah, their command grab. 33:10.65 Dave More points into endurance. So I can actually wear some kind of armor now. So I'm not not immediately squishy. But unfortunately that weapon is so heavy that I can't put much else on. So. 33:19.45 Cameron And. 33:27.33 Dave We'll see how it goes Um, but yeah I wanted to go down and and do all that part but it's not really going to matter because I've already passed the the crucible section. But um, yeah, so. 33:34.18 Cameron Yeah. 33:40.52 Leonard I mean you you can you can still do it. You can still and you'll just miss some stuff because you know I ended up doing it with my first run because I was trying to get all the I was trying to get all the endings in one shot via save scumming so I ended up. Going down there and taking it on anyway. Myself. 33:58.63 Cameron And. 34:02.45 Dave Yeah, well, that's the end I was aiming for and in the initial time and I was like well the guide says to kind of do this? Um, and so it it put that way toward the end when I. 34:06.93 Leonard Ah. 34:16.16 Dave I I did run down there a few times trying to do like um the dung eater and some other stuff and just you know suicide ran to do whatever it was because I I couldn't let anything touch me yeah those that went bad every time. 34:27.82 Leonard Bright. 34:29.69 Cameron Yep, got those shramp down there. You gotta watch out for. 34:36.50 Dave Um, but yeah, so that's shabruri and I I think he's one of the more interesting Npcs that we've had like in this particular game I like everyone's weird. Everyone's weird and little. 34:51.50 Cameron And. 34:54.97 Dave Cackling people. But um, the the fact that not only he but also the the maiden have like usurped living bodies or fresh bodies in some cases and and come back to life in order to go do something that's. 35:07.27 Cameron And. 35:13.90 Dave That's cool like that's not we don't normally see that. 35:14.91 Cameron Yeah. 35:19.64 Leonard And and it's it's interesting because in my first playthrough. Ah Saberri Shaberri ah as yoa ah, in Euria appeared but I didn't know that ah you. Eura had died. Um I never found his body in the like the the that church. Yeah um I so I it was to me. It was just like oh and then he was just suddenly possessed and then in the second run I was like. 35:38.53 Cameron I. 35:42.37 Dave It's the yeah, the second church of America I think. 35:54.72 Leonard Oh he was killed by that bloody finger that he might have had a relationship with once Blah Blah Blah Oh that makes that makes this possession thing make more sense. But yeah, um, it was interesting I think it's interesting because like not. 36:00.98 Cameron And. 36:13.54 Leonard Finding things are not seeing things in Eldon Ring impacts quest lines less if you've progressed them far enough I think. 36:24.19 Dave You can? ah so what? what? it seems like they've done is you can screw up. There's a lot of questions you can just goof and not see the the lore content. 36:39.30 Leonard Yes. 36:40.94 Dave Like you don't get to see the what's happening or or really, you're not getting the dialogue I guess is what you know you're missing but whatever the rewards are portions or the whole thing of that. It's still available because it's just like left on a body somewhere. 36:44.53 Cameron Yeah. 36:54.00 Leonard And right. 36:56.14 Dave And good luck finding that because it it was in one of the 5 spots you the last place you talked to somebody is where their body probably still is but you don't know because we backtracking in this is. 37:03.65 Cameron And. 37:09.61 Dave Hard because there's so much it could be on any one of these places and if you didn't remember where you found somebody or you know weren't using the um the tokens on the on the map. So because now you know when you when you look at the map. 37:14.76 Cameron And. 37:22.73 Leonard Right? Yeah, exactly. 37:28.40 Dave It's showing you where an alive Npc is sitting. You can see their icons but if they've died there. There's nothing there. So good luck tracking down where they might be unless you memorize Allpha spots or you know can track down some screenshots or something. 37:33.58 Leonard Um, yeah, exactly. 37:47.34 Dave But um, yeah with you're ah his his quest is interesting because he's he's hunting the bloody fingers. Um, but it looks like he he's.. It's a case of like oh I can't beat this thing So I'll just also do that thing So I can get stronger to beat it because he's using um magic as if the bloody fingers are using and I think it's on his either his armor set or on his. 38:10.90 Cameron And. So yeah. 38:23.90 Dave Character model but he has 1 of his fingers off so he's doing that. That's why he ends up dying like he's using the the blood magic and it it's not doing. It's not enough and he gets killed by the the one he's hunting the lady. 38:25.40 Leonard Oh that's interesting. 38:33.12 Cameron And. 38:39.40 Cameron Yeah. 38:42.96 Dave Their twin Twin blade. 38:45.38 Leonard Yeah, turn yeah, the hit hit the darth mall of ah Eldon ring. 38:47.81 Dave Yeah, yeah, and she is interesting because she not only she's I think the one npc in the game that is using all of the forbidden. Arts because she's using arcane and she's using um the the dragon arts. Yeah yeah, she's using all the stuff you're not supposed to be doing which is also how she killed Europe. 39:06.32 Leonard Oh that's interesting. 39:13.23 Leonard Oh she does use yeah she does use Dragon Dragonite abilities 39:25.30 Dave He's like I I know I'm using your blood magic too. She's like I trick you I also have dragon magic and and you murdered murdered him so the night I want to know how like the resurrect so as a. 39:29.89 Leonard Thriffe. 39:44.99 Dave That's harnished I mean you just they gamify it of course but you keep coming back to go do your quest but some people are dead dead permanently and some people are like forced ghosting coming back and possessing bodies like why? What? what? lets them do like that's so weird like. 39:48.42 Leonard Right. 39:57.76 Cameron I yeah. 40:04.37 Dave How did they do that and why is it only 1 or 2 people and it will so what it looks like is that ability is something heretical like they're they're doing that are they're able to do that because they're going against their tree. 40:05.60 Cameron Um, I mean because the. 40:13.80 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 40:19.58 Cameron So yeah, yeah, because there's there's a whole bunch of stuff about you know the way to be laid to rest is to have your body and spirit returned to the Earth tree. So it's potentially they just literally inaction against that. 40:34.49 Dave Aren't doing that. Yeah for. 40:36.00 Cameron Aren't doing it and so they're able to body off around. 40:41.19 Leonard Um, so I will say just having having completed ah the game and and all the endings. So the the the thing with the chaos flame and its prime objective is. 40:47.37 Cameron And. 40:56.62 Leonard Hey all this individually individuality all this separate entity stuff that that's garbage that that that was the mistake that the greater will made which is it fragmented itself and it's it's slowly because like every iteration smaller fragment is weaker than than. 41:02.10 Cameron And. 41:16.16 Leonard What it started out as the flame is just going to burn everything ah back into one solid melt everything back into one solid hole and so I'm thinking that if it's a body hopping thing. It's probably tied to like the ability like. Well,, there's no distinction between like my spiriting your body So I'll just take your body. 41:43.77 Dave Yeah I could see that if they're if they're saying that everything was everything was once part of a hole. Um, then what's instead of returning you to the Er tree which is it's undoing that will just. 41:58.25 Cameron Yeah. 42:00.41 Leonard Right. 42:01.27 Dave I'll just take you. 42:07.64 Leonard Least that's what that's what I get especially with the revelation of um of the 3 fingerer Maiden being actually legitimately being the corpse of what's his name's daughter which is something that. 42:19.39 Cameron I. 42:22.62 Leonard Ah, once again I simply assumed that it was just another woman that looked exactly the same only because there's such such a close proximity between Castle Morn and that very first frenzy flame village that you can encounter at the top of the hill. 42:25.78 Cameron So yeah, so. 42:28.72 Dave Um, yeah. 42:34.27 Cameron Yeah. 42:38.74 Leonard I was like oh are they just breathing like three finger maidens up here to like send out into the world for and seduced. Nope. 42:44.64 Dave No I don't I don't think so um and that and that's been ah, an ongoing thing where the the character outside of enemies. The character models are pretty distinct. Um, it's a robust. 42:58.92 Leonard Right. 43:00.67 Dave Creation system and a lot of times. Ah in I'm trying to dark souls 3 maybe um, they lock out aspects of the character creation. Um deep system like you. There's stuff that. 43:14.74 Leonard Yes. 43:18.28 Dave Developers can do in there that isn't part of like the the sliders isn't fully accessible so they can make everything like completely unique. Um, and there's because of that there's not a reason to like reuse. 43:24.95 Leonard Um e. 43:34.92 Leonard The right. 43:35.64 Dave Assets for Nbc's 43:36.85 Cameron I. 43:41.30 Dave Or I mean that's why even? Um, when people have gone into the the data mining and go and there's characters that you never like there always have a helmet. You never see their face but they modeled them what they gave them head. 43:53.54 Cameron Yeah. 43:55.96 Leonard Right? Yeah, right? like have they made ah blackguard Ridiculously ah Handsome for no good reason. 43:56.40 Dave Like they have faces. They weren't just modeled with the mask. 44:02.98 Dave Yeah. 44:05.11 Cameron You. 44:07.00 Leonard And made a dung eater look like Ron Perlman from the beauty and the beast eighty s tv show. 44:14.50 Cameron Ah, oh God Why is that accurate. 44:17.96 Leonard That was the first thing that I so I was like a just looks like Vincent from beauty and the beast why does dung eatter just look like Ron Perman from that Linda Hamilton soap opera prime time show. Um, yeah. 44:19.63 Cameron I. 44:28.52 Cameron Ah. 44:32.64 Dave Yeah, so that's that's ah shabbri. Um, and that puts us at the foot of these zemor ruins which when I got there I was like oh I don't want to go into that weird. It looks way bigger than it actually is. It's not. 44:34.67 Leonard Yes. 44:48.36 Cameron Yeah. 44:48.96 Dave Very large. It's it's the ruins and they're they're small but they are it is filled with the annoying Knight of zemor enemy ah that I came back later and was just still getting my butt kicked if there's like 3 of them. It's they're just. 44:50.92 Leonard Um, in. 45:03.44 Cameron Oh yeah, they're crazy. 45:08.60 Dave They move very fast and use. 45:08.60 Leonard Oh yeah, it's it's it's and honestly I think it's just more of the frost Damage Debuff um damage nullification debuff than anything because frost is is ridiculous in this game. Um. 45:26.17 Dave Well um, almost ah, almost any of the status effects status effects are terrible. Um, in this they don't um I hate using the word Proc They don't set on you um, quite as quickly. 45:29.43 Leonard Yeah, that's fair. 45:38.34 Leonard Um I don't I'll say it mm. 45:40.40 Cameron Ccp. 45:43.56 Dave Ah, aside from Scarlet Rot which is like too fast and. 45:45.32 Leonard Right? depending on where you are being scarlet Rod It's but right. 45:54.13 Cameron Is written. 45:56.53 Dave Yeah, or what you're wearing or have bolus or something. Um, anytime like again, most of this game I played through I've just had cloth on. So um, anything hitting me just immediately. Whoops I am now poison poison's bad. It takes it takes a while to hit you. But um, it just doesn't last for so long. Ah, and I was rolling like 18 vigor for a very long time so I would just die from. 46:28.19 Cameron Yeah. 46:30.86 Dave Like a paper cut in this game. But yeah, the nights of ze were so this this little town. It's not a city It's a little town and they were the night the arch enemies of the giants and they during the the giant wars I guess ah they they were they won great renown battling the giants with air with their frost spells. 46:53.70 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 47:01.60 Cameron Yeah. 47:03.81 Leonard Yep. 47:05.90 Dave And they're still they're still at it still rolling around and jacking people up with ice magic. 47:10.64 Leonard Except for that except for that one that just that somebody decided to put in never gel. It's almost like as soon as you're no longer useful to America and the greater will then she'll lock you away in an uliette forever. 47:17.89 Cameron And. 47:27.98 Cameron Yep. 47:29.53 Dave Yeah, well he was the the best of them and he gets locked into like 3 then that's um, that's so so the way the ever jails work is because they're in another like little dimension like it's a little void. 47:30.90 Leonard Right. 47:40.74 Leonard Yeah, they're like face your face shifted in like in the same place but just out of phase with. 47:49.96 Dave Um, yeah, and it seems like how that works because they of course fromsoft itself is is is ah reusing assets. Um because it's easier that way. 48:00.99 Cameron Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 48:06.28 Dave And so a lot of the enemies you'll find you'll I think it's like a little kind of a rule of 3 like you fight them 3 times is what it seems generally so with the ever jails you'll find like 3 incarnations of like a boss or who you know would that the prisoner in the. 48:11.30 Cameron Yeah. 48:21.30 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 48:25.51 Dave The Jail Um, and the yeah, the final one seems to be like the like them at their prime or the actual one and the other the others are maybe some sort of ah echo. 48:32.50 Leonard E. 48:37.48 Cameron I. 48:41.40 Dave So I don't know how lower wise how that works but I don't think there's 3 different you know folks I think it's just 1 person and you're just running into like versions of them. 48:55.18 Leonard I Mean yeah I mean that happens in the main game as well because I will I will say well like yeah to use an example that we've all experienced like market or more God that there are. 49:06.29 Dave Um, yeah. 49:07.33 Cameron And. 49:12.23 Leonard Different iterations of of the of the fell twins Duality Mol Multiple aliases seems to be a big thing with the the narrative and the plot as a whole. So it's not and I. 49:26.95 Cameron Forgotten. 49:31.27 Leonard Absolutely believe that that's probably accurate Dave. 49:36.50 Dave Um, yeah, and and the the lore we're getting um is wholly dependent on like who's telling it. Um, so if you're looking at like the golden order or. 49:45.13 Cameron Yeah. 49:45.62 Leonard Yes. 49:52.50 Dave Really any any of the the large um organizations like the little the names excuse me. Um so anything like the gold order. They're the thing that they're telling adherents. Um. 50:07.95 Cameron And. 50:10.84 Dave Is of course just stuff to get more people to join whatever they're doing but isn't actually like what's going on behind the scenes and I believe um Adam mentioned ah with the statue. 50:12.72 Leonard And right. 50:27.57 Dave That is actually America instead of um, ah Godfrey god god got ridagon no right gone. Okay, yeah, yeah, um. 50:34.75 Leonard Radagon yeah Godfrey was the first husbanddo. 50:37.95 Cameron Yes, yes. 50:44.69 Dave There's a lot of like Bait and switch stuff going on as far as going here's um, here's there. It's all it's all the victor writes the history. You know all the time and I mean that's the whole. 50:46.36 Leonard Um, yeah. 50:56.49 Leonard Oh yeah, absolutely it. 51:04.10 Dave Point of the Earth tree is hey this is the one way. There's never been anything else. Don't don't look um, don't look down that well you know there's not ancient civilizations down there. Don't go to that mountain. There's nothing to be seen there. It's it's that um. 51:13.28 Leonard Right. 51:15.99 Cameron But yeah. 51:23.85 Dave Just a perpetual like to her tree lighting. Yeah. 51:28.98 Cameron it's yeah it's it's all big propaganda. This system is the only system that works. It's the only one that's ever worked. Please don't look you know 100 years in the past. Um. 51:38.46 Dave Yeah,, don't don't like why in the curtain. Um, but that that things are being built on the ashes of what like previously existed and ah just that general um obfuscation. Of things I think plays into why there's multiple versions of of folks is you're you're given like that or there's some time you want me stuff because. 52:01.23 Cameron Yeah. 52:01.79 Leonard M. 52:12.49 Cameron Written. 52:12.61 Leonard Right. 52:12.94 Dave Everything's jacked Up. So I think it's also different points in time like because you're going through these lands and say in particular with some of the bosses and the ever jails you're running into. Ah, version of them in each like area and the areas are kind of they're kind of stepped and hierarch like hierarchical like it's getting that was literally getting higher up. But um. 52:32.49 Leonard E. 52:32.66 Cameron And. 52:47.29 Dave Those versions are I think maybe the jails are tiered in lands and it's it's you're running into the same thing but it's um, aged like you're going. Ah. If you're going backwards but you're going deeper into time as you're going to find like their tree. 53:13.12 Cameron Yeah. 53:14.67 Dave Say you're running into older or like the original versions of stuff. 53:23.77 Leonard Right? And and just to to speak on that point that you made of history being written by the victors. Um a lot of Eldon rings narrative and we. You and I dave were talking about this before we start the recording proper which is one of the things I appreciate about from software and their games is their iterative design. Ah from title to title. There's enough overlap. 53:49.46 Cameron And. 53:53.20 Leonard Ah, between there where it feels familiar yet different and really Eldon ring really kind of feels like the refinement of what I think they wanted to impart with ah dark souls one which is hey surprise your creation myths a lie. The creation myth that we tell you the first thing that we tell you it's a big old lie It's a big fat dirty lie and everything about Eldon ring and like oh man, nothing existed before the earth tree. The earth tree is all powerful and it's like no, that's also a super big dumb lie. But. 54:11.41 Cameron Oh yeah, so. 54:26.91 Cameron So. 54:29.38 Leonard The the more interesting aspect is that the way that the urd tree became like became the victor broke like fundamentally broke the system of this world and then when America went. 54:37.87 Cameron Yeah. 54:48.30 Leonard Ah, when when when ah, um, ah the I mean at this point I think it's like we there have been enough item details where it's like yes America's the one that shattered the Eldon ring ah and and and so. 54:59.68 Cameron Yeah, oh yeah. 55:05.14 Leonard What she did was ultimately take a broken system and then break it even further. So it's like this is the most messed up version of reality that from Soft has ever presented. 55:12.87 Cameron So. 55:20.79 Cameron And. 55:22.86 Leonard And it's kind of a reason why I think a lot of the things don't make sense because like there was a whole system of stuff that the Ur tree and Golden ah order Fundamentalism has literally erased like off of the planet like. 55:36.97 Cameron So yeah, yeah, so. 55:41.22 Leonard You know they're like there's the death birds. There are the the the the godskins there are all these little bits and pieces of the way that this world used to be before it came to prominence that they have deliberately tried to obfuscate and then by. 55:51.81 Cameron And. 55:59.28 Leonard Causing the shattering has thrown it even farther back and mixed it in with a bunch of different stuff and different nonsense from an already inherently flawed System. So It's it's. Almost like it's deliberately impossible to piece anything together because there are 2 layers of absolutely broken world systems running in the lens between. 56:24.41 Cameron I yeah. 56:31.65 Dave Yeah, so I thought the Godskin nobles um came after death was reintroduced to the gods because now they're able to flay them and use their. 56:33.99 Cameron And. 56:49.49 Dave Much more impervious bodies as ah as their like armor. 56:56.70 Leonard I I was honestly ah under the impression that they were before and might have been the like the the impetus of hey I need to remove America to like say hey I need to remove death from the equation. 57:11.97 Cameron I Yeah yeah I could I could see it either way. But I think that one definitely makes sense. There was a threat. 57:13.49 Leonard Ah, because otherwise we're all targets and it's very unbecoming for God to be able to die. 57:29.33 Cameron Grave enough that yeah okay, we're going to do it. We're going to mess with reality and remove the concept of death physically from the space and. 57:36.70 Leonard Yeah, because like not only that like that the the godskins aren't aren't the only like purveyors of the concept of death. We've once again got the deaf birds and death right? Birds there were a lot of versions of death. That just kind of got glommed and solidified into um destined death and then removed from the Eldon ring completely. 58:02.92 Cameron I yeah. 58:06.86 Dave Well I mean yeah, that's the the subterfuge of the Golden order is. We're trying to get rid of anything that's preserving death. 58:23.74 Cameron And. 58:25.27 Dave Like those who live in death we have to get rid of them because there's they're um, they're growing or they're yeah they're using the death route to further their own power and. That means they're not returning to the Earth tree and it's it's It's the same idea I guess behind Shaburi and anyone else that just bucking the system like that that anything that's heretical is just anything. That's not towing the line I mean by kind of definition. 58:58.32 Cameron Yeah. 59:02.29 Dave Um, but those are the things that are more concerned with um, maybe not the truth but like a truth like finding finding whatever is behind what third tree is like spewing. 59:12.18 Leonard Um, yes. 59:12.87 Cameron And. 59:17.93 Leonard Um, right? because it's It's also like ah like yeah explicitly stated that like hey get stuff gets at. 59:18.63 Cameron So yeah. 59:22.19 Dave Yeah. 59:32.84 Leonard Like once upon a time like concepts used to get added to the to the golden order all the time that were like once considered heretical like Miriam um ah miter miter Pope Pope Turtle ah is is like hey because every time you give them us. Ah. 59:42.61 Cameron Yes. 59:51.86 Leonard Ah, spellbook are um yeah spellbook. He's like yeah, any book. He's like yeah you know what they're like it's not. It's not a. It's not a. It's not a bug. It's a feature ah like this is all integrated into it and like there's no. 59:56.32 Cameron Yeah. 59:56.44 Dave Um, in any prior any book. 01:00:10.43 Leonard Actual real heresy because as long as it benefits the urge tree and the golden order it is going to you know, take it and accept it at 1 point at some point. Yeah, maybe. 01:00:22.13 Dave Um I I think it's more that it works is how I Rob always took that to be and what Miriam is he's like let's just everything's wonderful like. 01:00:28.60 Cameron And. 01:00:40.18 Dave As far as it causes Wonder not that it's good. Um, and it it doesn't matter because it all exists and that's because it exists and it's there. Let's take a look at it like he's just curious and having fun with. 01:00:41.70 Cameron Yes, yes yeah. 01:00:43.21 Leonard You're right? yeah. 01:00:58.42 Dave Studying weird shit. He's a bored big guy. 01:01:00.77 Cameron Yeah. 01:01:02.74 Leonard But that's fair I think I read it I read it through my interpretation merely because of um, the connection between ah Renala and radagon and how. Like oh man, it was totally cool that like moon like moon sorcery and like golden order were like cozy, cozy for a bit until you know he he he divorced her and then ran off and and married himself. Ah so. 01:01:31.62 Cameron The. 01:01:35.72 Leonard Um, yeah I mean yeah and you know I'm not going to say I you know I think I think ah I think there's there's validity in in both of our reads of of that. Um, which is once again, 1 of the great things about these games because. 01:01:47.65 Cameron So. 01:01:53.31 Leonard Unless Miyazaki like knocks on my door and says no this is what this means I just kind of choose to believe what I want to believe. 01:01:58.33 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 01:02:02.60 Dave Well nothing, nothing spelled out a to Z so we're having to like put together these bits from ah a busted up puzzlele quite literally. Yeah. 01:02:03.62 Leonard Right. 01:02:10.87 Cameron So. 01:02:12.20 Leonard Um, yep, you like with with so many missing pieces that will that we will never find. 01:02:21.64 Dave No, no. But yeah, just looking into how all the organizations sort of fit together and and that's something that even as heretical and taboo Forbidden as the um. The what the fire giants have going on with their crucible. Um, what that can do um has its own adherence. So We have all of the fire priests that are like so they're they're there to maintain the the crucible like the embers of it. 01:02:41.78 Cameron And. 01:02:50.49 Cameron And. 01:02:54.46 Leonard Um, right. 01:02:57.16 Cameron Yeah, that they were the watchers but they watched too long and the ah the abyss stared back and the abyss in this case is a really cool big fire and they went Wow That's neat. 01:03:00.18 Dave Yeah. 01:03:07.55 Leonard Yeah, think yeah if that somebody but 1 of them said hey somebody built a really gigantic lord vessel at the top of this mountain and there's some some some real sweet embers in there. Maybe we should just. 01:03:17.31 Cameron And. 01:03:25.97 Leonard Dedicate ourselves to fire magic. 01:03:28.17 Cameron Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. 01:03:30.23 Dave Yeah I do like that the misbegotten are people that went in just like they got too curious and touched the crucible you're like not supposed to be doing that and that that warped like as punishment warped their bodies into the weird hoppy flapppiy. 01:03:38.47 Cameron So. 01:03:45.38 Cameron And. 01:03:49.33 Dave Ogre looking low guys. 01:03:51.93 Leonard Ah, that's interesting because I always from from item descriptions I was always under the the impression that like that was like the original state of like I. I'm I'm I'm remiss to say man but like the entities right? Well because right? because ah because you know we find the um, the crucible like knot and feather and everything and it's like yeah, everybody used to have like wings and tails and all that. 01:04:07.98 Dave Um, it's a race. It's like. 01:04:08.37 Cameron The specie. 01:04:19.30 Cameron And. 01:04:26.26 Leonard Um, um, before like the age of the earth tree and 1 thing that I so I almost never look at um, the race um like the character background descriptions for the creative character. And it stated numerous times that America was a newman um and Newman is a background that you can choose for your your your character and it just straight up says like yeah Newman kind of came from space like they came from. Yeah they came from space. 01:04:57.72 Cameron Okay, yeah, outside Yeah so. 01:05:01.30 Dave Yeah, they're their new type. 01:05:02.54 Leonard Yeah, yeah, they're to know they're aliens. They're just straight up aliens and that like once upon a time everything just used to be like feathers and claws and lizard tails and talons and they were like you gross. We're pretty and perfect. We need to change this hey Greater will. 01:05:16.31 Cameron So. 01:05:22.40 Leonard And us and send us a big old tree to put these gross heathens in their place. 01:05:28.70 Cameron I Don't know what I'm looking at and I don't want to look at it anymore tree. 01:05:31.95 Leonard Right? right? tree more more of us. Please. 01:05:37.62 Dave Yeah I think it's more that the the misbegotten are that the form they're in now is a transformation like they're twisted into that like hugue master hugue is also a misbegotten so he's. 01:05:47.16 Leonard Um, okay. 01:05:49.80 Cameron And. 01:05:54.69 Leonard Yes. 01:05:54.85 Cameron I yes. 01:05:57.59 Dave He's been literally punished um or both the inform and now he's just chained to the um hold or the the weird dream space hold. 01:06:07.12 Cameron And. 01:06:08.25 Leonard And they yeah um, yeah hold um, ah so the fun. The craziest thing about Hugh and his character model is that he's just a basic misbegotten. But they just removed the hair and gave him a beard. Um, which the beard is is a brilliant design decision because he still has the big gross super wide Glasgow smile mouth that all misbegotten have. 01:06:25.82 Cameron Yeah. 01:06:37.12 Cameron And. 01:06:41.62 Leonard You just can't see it because he's got a beard. 01:06:49.83 Dave That Yeah, ah, the the the path past Zimor brings us to the was the shanty shanty ruin the the shack of the Loft I called shanty. 01:07:01.91 Cameron Yes. 01:07:07.26 Dave A shack of the lofty and we find one ah Maiden had went the wrong way like I guess going to the the the wrong light. 01:07:21.57 Leonard Um, not um, it's entirely possible that the grace just guided guided her there that died be found later I. 01:07:30.82 Dave Well that and you can literally just like make up graces. So yeah, there's just like fake ones and. 01:07:39.98 Leonard The right you write with Grace mimics. Yeah, um I was ah because ah when you said that I was like oh yeah, that's right like white and like Valerie. Is just like yeah grace will lead you to wherever you're supposed to be even if it's to your death and I'm like oh that's right and like sometimes it might just say you like you're useful as like an example like you're more useful to to me to to the the. 01:08:04.80 Cameron I. 01:08:10.91 Leonard Greater will dead than alive. 01:08:13.90 Dave Yeah I think in this instance, this is in a section that's already passed the forbidden part so that would have made more sense if it was um, prior to getting into the taboo area and like hey here's just the dead. 01:08:18.72 Leonard Right. 01:08:28.37 Leonard Um. 01:08:30.48 Dave Dead made it. Yeah, don't go that way. That's more of a ah that would be more signposting like hey this is not great versus oh you made it halfway in. Oh there's said someone died that you weren't even supposed to be there. So I think that that's more of they were. 01:08:46.77 Cameron I. 01:08:48.35 Dave I Don't want to say just misguided but guided this way potentially ah by a false grace. 01:08:51.47 Leonard Um, it. 01:08:59.80 Leonard Right? It It is also entirely possible that um, you know because it is the shack of the lofty and if you you're doing ah the volcano manner. Um. It is entirely possible that she might have been the Mathan of of the target here. 01:09:16.37 Cameron And. 01:09:18.52 Dave Yeah, that that was the other read was that I mean Juno Hoslow is right here? Um, so yeah that that she may have been his maiden and this is where he went once he. 01:09:20.76 Leonard Um, yep. 01:09:35.36 Dave Broke ties with um the volcano manner like he was. He joined him and then he was like well this is this gig's not for me. Um, but that would have already taken him out of the running for Eldon Lord because that's already heretical to. 01:09:38.50 Leonard Yes. 01:09:53.16 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 01:09:54.41 Leonard And right. 01:09:54.97 Dave To join volcano manner and in turn that would have maybe maybe set ah the grace as like false guidance and then just got them stuck in this crap field and she died. 01:10:03.10 Leonard E. 01:10:07.52 Cameron So. 01:10:13.98 Dave It's ah it's all supposition but that like I feel like that makes sense in light of what he was doing and what's going on I mean that's that's all the name of the game is stuff's put in places for mostly um, not arbitrarily I feel for. 01:10:26.98 Leonard Um, you're right? ah. 01:10:27.10 Cameron Yeah. 01:10:31.53 Dave But yeah, the Ha the hoslow fights fun. That's a he's a fun little Castlevania guy. 01:10:34.26 Cameron Yeah. 01:10:36.57 Leonard He was he was I remember him being really easy when I was doing my first run and I had a shield and he was an absolute nightmare for my second one run where I was just using moon veil with. 01:10:54.89 Cameron Yep, and yep back. 01:10:55.10 Leonard With no shield I was just like this is this is a pain and I'm going to like break your e a I on geometry to to to chees you out because I've done this like 20 times in a row and I'm kind of tired of it. 01:11:10.89 Dave Yeah I just backed him up against a rock and kept blassphemous blating him because the fire thing would. 01:11:11.20 Cameron Um, yeah. 01:11:17.85 Leonard Now. 01:11:22.19 Dave You could space that out enough where it kept knocking him down as soon as he stood up because of the Knockdown the staggers real high on that and it took several tries though because he's his um, quick his quick step move sucks. 01:11:27.84 Leonard Right. 01:11:32.34 Cameron You. 01:11:38.22 Leonard Yeah, yeah. 01:11:40.26 Dave And he kept he kept piecing out of like between rock and a hard space. He just didn't want to be there like okay fair, fair enough stop at me with your bleed whips. This is bull crap. Yeah, it's cool, cool gear though. Unfortunately, it's far too heavy for me to wear. So. 01:11:50.93 Cameron And. 01:11:57.48 Cameron New. 01:11:57.63 Leonard Yeah, he feels like he feels like this games version of the bloody crow of kanehurs like no no nowhere and. 01:11:59.65 Dave Couldn't dipper put it on. 01:12:06.17 Dave Um, yeah, yeah, that's a that's a fair like he's doing the same. Ah Hunter's bone gig. 01:12:16.19 Leonard Yeah, and just like just the damage output from that from the Rose Pedal webs is just like obscene on top of the the bleed effect as well. 01:12:26.17 Dave Yeah, that hits you like oh well I just lost in my case, it was like yeah like three force life just boop Okay, dead. Yeah, and yeah, and that that. 01:12:32.47 Leonard Um, yep. 01:12:39.85 Leonard Good thing is brothers such a loser such a sad sack loser. 01:12:46.86 Dave Yeah I lost track of him like I went to the little um the village of the the do edge arburg or the village of the pots. Um Jarburg and then he was there and then then he wasn't and. 01:12:52.66 Leonard Jar Jarburg yeah. 01:12:54.12 Cameron So. 01:13:03.75 Dave I Think maybe he climbed into a pot I don't know he's gone. 01:13:08.92 Leonard Don't Worry. You don't worry, go back and you you you g go back in and you can you? You'll see what's up you haven't I don't believe I think they they fix that quest so that it actually exists and then you should be able to complete it with no as you. Just pop back in there every once in a while and. 01:13:26.39 Dave Yeah, yeah, I'll have to go back and check I I finished a later quest and um, the jar bairn is he went in his merry way. 01:13:41.85 Dave Logo little guy go on your little adventure. Yep, go go punch some fools. Yeah so yeah, umhalo it was. It's a it there. 01:13:42.28 Leonard Now Yeah, become a big strong jar like your uncle. 01:13:49.44 Cameron Yeah. 01:13:58.54 Dave Fun little fight. Um, yeah, again, they spaced out the volcano manner stuff so far. It's like I I don't even know how you would naturally get to this point and then be like oh I didn't finish volcano manner. Let me defeat this guy and then go get teleported in to go visit the lord of the Manor. It's like no I didn't have an irony. He's already dead. 01:14:24.19 Leonard Um. 01:14:27.91 Leonard Yeah I only went I went far enough I went far enough in the manner to be like man. This place is really messed up really really, you didn't know any of this was going on. Well I mean you're constantly looking at the Ground. So I suppose that you're not you you did lift your head up I enough to know that that um, ah outside of like the nice 3 I'm sorry. 01:14:47.28 Cameron But. 01:14:56.95 Leonard 6 rooms red lit rooms and and your mom ah that that there's a big growth tortured dungeon like fiefdom attached to this place so all right. 01:15:09.93 Dave Well yeah, she also wasn't like in the manner a lot I don't feel I think she's just out adventuring and looking for people descend to the manor as snacks. 01:15:11.90 Leonard I'm still gonna be nice to you because you're a sweet soul but you you don't seem bright. Yeah, she was going out. Yeah, get yep, unbeknowns to her. 01:15:17.45 Cameron And. 01:15:27.38 Dave She didn't know she's a sweet summer child. 01:15:30.96 Leonard Yeah, she like actually actually like legitimate sweets. So like to the point where like even though like the second the second character run that I'm doing I'm like yeah I'm gonna take the frenzy flame I don't care about using madness I don't care about nobody. 01:15:47.14 Cameron And. 01:15:49.19 Leonard Ah, because I'm playing because I'm role playing as Virgil from devil may cry and all I want is power and then I'm like I'm still gonna be nice to the snake girl though I can't be meet I can't be meat to the snake girl I don't care about anyone else. Absolutely not. But I'll still be nice to the snake girl. 01:15:55.60 Cameron But oh yeah, you gotta no. 01:16:04.66 Dave Yeah I mean I went out of my way to make sure that I got her to me the best end like let her go on adventures. But yeah, so after oh yeah, after Shaka Del lofty. 01:16:11.72 Leonard Um, yeah. 01:16:23.37 Dave Um I think it's the bit where yeah you have to make this stupid long track around but and you can get to the Star Gazer ruins and have the other. Ah maybe the most wholesome small little side Quest and you you you run into a. 01:16:26.64 Cameron And. 01:16:33.14 Leonard Um, yep, yep. 01:16:41.63 Dave Ah, a little jelly and she's you hear some ghost voices of two little kids going like ways we want to go see the stars and he's like why would you ever go to this place here like ah once upon a time this must have not been like this but it's real bad now. 01:16:59.28 Leonard Oh yeah, yeah. 01:16:59.56 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:17:02.42 Dave It's real bad and you can you can bring out your um, ah Jellyfish Summon and they they read the sisters reunite and and. 01:17:09.44 Cameron I Chellyfish summon. Yeah. 01:17:21.53 Dave Go to jellyfish heaven and I I technically I don't think they're jellyfish they're little kids because there's a yeah, there's there's 2 gravestones you can look at and it it says it's like annaise or something in her sister. 01:17:25.39 Cameron They Yeah, they're like the spirit of children and. 01:17:33.79 Leonard Yeah, they never got to. They never got to see the stars which is like man that's real depressing the put on like 2 children's gravestones like really like you couldn't have worded it. 01:17:39.41 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 01:17:45.34 Dave Um, well they they couldn't they couldn't have seen him because you um radagon had stuck them all in weird spot. Yeah Roda and radagon ra r r r r. Thanks. 01:17:51.46 Leonard Yeah, Redon yeah yeah, all the names it's it's it's yeah you right? Thanks George yeah, that's that's I hope that payche inspired you to finish that last book I know it didn't but whatever. 01:17:52.87 Cameron That yeah Brian ah ra ra ra. 01:18:00.93 Dave Thanks George R R R Martin 01:18:01.80 Cameron I. 01:18:07.33 Cameron So it did not for sure. 01:18:11.34 Leonard Um, and then you get a talisman that's like man sorcerers like sticking ah glenstone blades into their heart. It kills them but it makes more powerful and I'm like what is what is this narrative? What? Ah maybe it might actually be. 01:18:17.44 Cameron I One is that a is that a hunter Hunter reference. Yeah. 01:18:28.35 Dave I Mean they already referenced frozen. Why not. 01:18:29.83 Leonard Um, yeah I mean they also reference soldier boy. So um, at this point man. 01:18:35.19 Cameron He anything's fair game at this point. Yeah. 01:18:36.40 Dave Um, yeah. 01:18:46.26 Leonard Like I don't know how to feel about like the real world meme stuff creeping into my from soft games I'm like I'm like this feels like this is just localization. But I better be because I'm shaking my fist at the clouds and screaming. 01:18:48.46 Cameron So. 01:18:56.80 Dave I mean it could be. 01:19:05.25 Leonard Um, because that's how old I Um, but yeah I was just like man that's like the grave and like the the Jellyfish sisters and then you get this weird Tasman Although there's a part of me because like astrologers don't exist. 01:19:05.76 Dave Yeah. 01:19:07.12 Cameron So. 01:19:21.66 Cameron So yeah, the. 01:19:22.52 Leonard Anymore Technically right? Ah so like this was probably like precursor like astrologer ruins precursors to like carrying the carrion royals because they're all about the moon and I think actually like directly descended from. 01:19:35.24 Cameron And. 01:19:40.60 Leonard Astrologers or that might be the glint stone ages they're so intertwined with 1 another um that yeah that I simply assume like oh this used to be like an astrologer encament once upon a time back before the air tree raised everything under. Its. 01:19:50.22 Cameron And. 01:19:59.49 Leonard Rudy fist. 01:20:04.44 Dave Yeah I mean that that checks because we find the um heretical rise which is the most pain in the ass make it invisible garbo. Um. 01:20:16.10 Cameron Cp 50 01:20:18.18 Leonard Um, yeah I use a lot of arrows to find my pat my path there like. 01:20:24.85 Dave Um, yeah because I think was I I may have been online again at that point and there was some bloodstains so you could see bit's because it curves. It's like oh that's yeah. 01:20:30.41 Cameron And yeah, they they've been tricky about it. 01:20:31.68 Leonard Well good for you I know I know. Yeah I did that with offline with no blood stains and I was just like you know what? I've got I've got all the arrows because I'm using my bow a lot just time to like take a step and fire an arrow. 01:20:41.31 Dave Um, oh. 01:20:46.30 Cameron Who. 01:20:55.74 Leonard And when it whiffs that's when I aim a different direction. 01:20:58.90 Dave Yeah, and so at the heretical rise you you at the top you get the founding rain of stars I'll just read the out of description actually for for once the eldest primeval sorcery said to have been discovered by an ancient astrologer a sorcery of legendary status. 01:20:58.18 Cameron And. 01:21:12.82 Leonard Um, yeah. 01:21:16.46 Cameron And. 01:21:17.87 Dave Ah, it's someone's a dark cloud of stars overhead and and then you get a violent deluge of star rain and it was thought to be the founding glynstone sorcery the glimpse of the um premiable current that the asrologist saw became real and the stars Amber rained down on this land. So yeah, that would just the astrologers would have precursed like all of the other magic and then you get the weird. Um I think the yes. 01:21:41.40 Leonard Right. 01:21:53.61 Dave It went sort of astrologers and then it went to azur and the other ah the the the the green guy because you get um, there's the 2 01:22:00.76 Leonard Primeval sorcers. 01:22:10.97 Dave Sorcerers that studied so hard. They just became stone. Yeah, it's I zero and I don't remember the other guy's name. But um, when you look at the ah the strongest of the. 01:22:13.24 Leonard Yeah, they became they turned into glenstone. 01:22:29.23 Cameron Yes. 01:22:29.44 Leonard Indeed Yeah, the the stone crowns. Yes. 01:22:29.60 Dave Ugly hats the masks. Yeah, it's a blue and green. So it's those 2 dudes is like their busts. 01:22:39.44 Leonard Oh right? Well I thought those were the oh were are they the twin sorcerers then is it possible that they're the twins because there there was a set there is a set of twin sorcerers like in the the paintings there that are. 01:22:47.48 Dave They might be. 01:22:48.68 Cameron And. 01:22:58.30 Leonard Position next to each other and then there's the glinnt the glenstone crown that is the 2 faces with 1 blue 1 grain. So it might oh okay huh. 01:23:07.77 Dave Yeah, I'm thinking that that's azure and the other other guy and then they were um I think what they did is because there's a lot of obfuscation in all of the branches of things and so um. 01:23:09.98 Cameron So. 01:23:18.39 Leonard Um, yep. 01:23:22.41 Dave The glenstone sorcers like were like hey we'll immortalize them as as you know these crowns and the the bus on the crown and the paintings I Thought that's these are the the great sages. These are the founders of the Academy Um, don't. 01:23:40.58 Cameron I. 01:23:42.65 Dave Go looking for the the Crystal Blobby guys like that's that's not them. Obviously you know I mean it's it's them. But it's them putting ah like a nice. Yeah, it's like a nice paint of. 01:23:47.37 Leonard Oh that's interesting, right? idealized. 01:24:00.62 Dave Ah, code of paint on a thing where the guys are technically um, heretical because they went all in on the star sorcery. 01:24:08.40 Leonard Right? That's interesting because the way that I interpreted it was so the thing with onestone that I've noticed most ah is that it kind of turns everything into itself. Um, we've got the glinnstone snails that. 01:24:20.18 Cameron And. 01:24:25.40 Leonard Hover around like are in leer and Laernia um and like wherever there's like glent stone deposits like they start turning into crystal caves and I I was under the impression that. Yeah once upon a time they actually did look like that and then they. Just were so like in love with the primeval Glen storm stone sorcery that it it transformed them into that because they're you know. 01:24:50.99 Dave Yeah, yeah, but I think that the crown did other depictions of them are the idealized. It's like this is what they were at when they were like prime at the Academy but now they're like grandpa in the attic. 01:25:03.70 Leonard Yes, okay now right when they're referenced right right? and just like. 01:25:10.59 Dave And yeah, we don't thought we don't look at them anymore. Well technically technically we're hunting them I guess. 01:25:16.66 Leonard Right? Just like the the graven sorcerer masses that we find like the one that you find in the in the ah in in the school itself is like locked in a tower and it's also soret like also transforming the entire area into glinntstone. 01:25:24.21 Dave Yeah, yeah. 01:25:36.39 Leonard And also doing the weird underground Star fake like star space thing that everything that comes from space does in this world. 01:25:47.14 Dave Um, I and I think that that's an effect of um azure's staff. That's where you get his staff so it's probably all like not will be cursed but like condensed. 01:25:52.93 Leonard Oh that's right, right. 01:26:04.12 Dave Like his power just it became like a loki of that energy and it probably like the I think that those weirdo orbs are just a bunch of dudes that was too close to it and it just you know. 01:26:20.10 Leonard oh yeah, yeah oh yeah absolutely because anyone that does like primeuval current sorcery too much gets turned into that because I guess what that's how 1 npc's quest is absolutely and. 01:26:22.74 Dave Thinged them together. 01:26:31.24 Cameron And. 01:26:39.82 Leonard Um, So yeah, yeah, it's ah it's absolutely a transformation and it's it's it's ah it once again, it feels like like kind of like kind of conceptually like blood born like hey guess what you stare too long into the elditch truth and you're gonna be a big gross. Ball of stone faces. 01:27:00.47 Dave I'm also getting a feeling that um, they just really loved linstone and it's ah, a combination of um oh. 01:27:17.38 Dave Touching stuff from outer space that you shouldn't touch and it like consumes you ah and the idea of kind of what happens in um, dead space with the necromorphs where the the original contagion was because dudes like. 01:27:20.16 Leonard Yep yep. 01:27:31.55 Leonard Um. 01:27:35.74 Dave They injected their own bodies with the necromorph tissue. Not not knowing. That's what they were doing and so this could be like the glenstone people just jamming cleanstone into themselves like a weird hellraiser. Do they just. 01:27:38.29 Leonard Right. 01:27:49.18 Leonard And yeah I mean one once a I I mean once again like the glenstone crowns have glintstone embedded in them and as I've said earlier it seems like it actually grows. 01:27:54.98 Dave Love it. 01:28:00.83 Dave Yeah. 01:28:07.40 Leonard So it just feels like hey what if we took the meteor from the colored out space and then made a hat out of it. Nothing could go wrong then right. 01:28:16.55 Dave Um, well that was the whole thing with the um, the gold de gonestone crabs and the one you the 1 you kill is like it's not wearing that it's like inside of it right? to ate it. 01:28:19.94 Leonard Right. 01:28:27.82 Leonard Nope it did yeah it it it? Yeah like I almost kind of wish that it had been a crab that was like yes, a so. 01:28:33.61 Dave Um, like a hermit crab inside of a yeah. 01:28:36.76 Cameron So. 01:28:39.40 Leonard A specialty crab where its shell had just turned into the glenstone crown because everything is gross and awful and from outer space here. 01:28:48.29 Cameron Oh. 01:28:50.97 Dave I just wanted to be 1 of the crabs that like crawled into one of the hats. It's just like wandering around that would have been great. Yeah, ah yep. 01:28:52.10 Leonard Oh into an actual element. 01:28:57.58 Cameron That would have been awesome and. 01:29:05.22 Leonard There's a dragon here too. 01:29:05.44 Cameron It Oh wow. Yes M it ambushes you. 01:29:06.69 Dave There is the dragon and this this was the first dragon that I actually fought I ran from I ran from like all the other ones because I was scared but I fought this guy so that's real weird because this one's the one you can't see. 01:29:09.52 Leonard Oh wow that. 01:29:21.12 Leonard Um, this year 01:29:22.36 Dave Like this is the one I decided to fight I don't know why. 01:29:26.97 Cameron It's a cool setup though because you're just riding across the frozen Lake and the fog sweeps in and then you hear the dragon roar and you go Oh god. 01:29:33.46 Leonard Yeah, and then you start jamming on the. 01:29:33.53 Dave Well I mean I just looked at the map and went like well there's no way this is not like a dragon or something here because this is just a open area. That's bad. 01:29:36.52 Cameron Oh yeah. 01:29:44.52 Leonard I heard hit heard the dragon yell and then immediately started jamming on the lock on button because I was like if you're John make me do this fight and like. 01:29:50.16 Cameron And. 01:29:56.31 Leonard Fog then I need to at least be able to lock on but you know that it does it actually clears up fairly quickly. It isn't permanent. It isn't for the entirety of the fight which would have been a nightmare in my opinion. Ah. 01:29:58.49 Dave Yeah. No. 01:30:10.51 Dave Yeah, it would have just been a um ah reach a further retread of um, the 2 tigers in um, the crown of the ivory king the king's pets. 01:30:17.90 Leonard Yeah, yeah. 01:30:19.70 Cameron And. Yes. 01:30:24.66 Leonard Yeah. 01:30:28.47 Dave Better invisible tigers. Um, yeah, that would have sucked even more this was fine. Ah, and as it is a case where you you get to the beginning of the the little like and it's like oh there's a stak of America and my little grave symbols popping up. So yep I can if I can summon. 01:30:34.99 Leonard Yep. 01:30:42.80 Cameron And. 01:30:47.50 Dave A summon here then it's probably a boss and this is borealis the freezing fog which is pretty badass name. It gets it gets an actual full title and yeah, you get. 01:30:56.79 Cameron It's a great name. 01:30:57.13 Leonard Yep. 01:31:04.10 Dave It's one of the named dragons. So you get a named primeval dragon power the freezing fog I think or Bor Borealis breath or something is named as like borealis breath I think. 01:31:06.44 Cameron Yeah, yes. 01:31:11.56 Leonard Yeah, you don't just get ice. Yeah, you don't just get ice breath. You get a right? Yeah yeah, he's fun. He's fine. Easy's like all. 01:31:17.33 Cameron So. 01:31:22.73 Cameron So yeah, cool dragon. Yeah. 01:31:22.98 Dave It? yeah. 01:31:27.43 Leonard All the honestly once again, like iterative design like I think about fighting dragons in like dark souls one 2 and was it a dragon in 3 Oh yeah, there were well yeah I know I don't know what I don't write. Um. 01:31:37.60 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 01:31:38.00 Dave There. Yeah, there's always a check I mean and technically these are Drake's they not even dragons. But. 01:31:46.60 Leonard And I'm just like ah every single other dragon fight throughout like their games have been kind of a nightmare and something that I dread having to do yeah but I didn't actually use the yeah. 01:31:53.32 Dave Um I think it's because you get a horse for most things you don't yeah I usually jump off. It's easier but you could. 01:31:55.20 Cameron And. 01:32:00.89 Leonard I did not use use the horse for for any of the dragon fights and I'm just like oh man these actually feel good like the hitboxes seem fair I have to watch out for like the breath tells because those are the things that'll just. And instantly kill me. But otherwise I'm like man these are honestly like the best dragon front fights that from Software has ever produced. 01:32:27.25 Dave Yeah, you you have a little bit more options as far as how you're handling them and they're a little more lenient with like not utterly stepping on you if you're up in their grill. 01:32:27.52 Cameron So. 01:32:44.30 Leonard E. 01:32:44.72 Cameron And. 01:32:47.00 Dave You can't the the sweep of the breath attacks is big enough that you usually kind of can't run from it but you can run into it and like it'll kind of go over your head If you're if you're close enough anyway. But yeah, it's a good. It's a good little battle and. 01:32:55.77 Cameron The yeah. 01:32:57.65 Leonard You're right. 01:33:06.77 Dave There was there was this is where the other ah, there's another church America and um, there is another little dungeon or a catacomb this one I didn't I don't think I finished I think I got most the way in and ah. There's an invader or something killed me and I was like I just it's a spirit caller cave so it kind of sucks. 01:33:26.75 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 01:33:27.75 Leonard Oh is this the Spit Spirit Caller Yeah, he he? um and my favorite enemy in the game because it's so goofy. Goofy to the point that I didn't even realize that it actually has a command grab Yes, the spirits collar stale has a command grab where it jumps on you and bites you repeatedly. 01:33:57.50 Dave Yeah, they're not um, they're not too much of a problem. It's really just if you didn't see where it's at and you just get stuck or ambushed by like more multiple summons. It's like okay. 01:34:10.25 Leonard Yes, yeah, and you can you? yeah that that ah that samurai summon you can just. 01:34:10.29 Cameron So. 01:34:16.17 Cameron Here I. 01:34:18.71 Dave Um, I think that's the one that killed me because he just he like 1 to bled me I'm like okay and I think I was far enough in that I had used up all my um flasks. 01:34:24.40 Leonard Yep, yeah, don't Even. Oh okay, yeah, don't even worry about him just find the snail because it he is a he is a snail summon and will just go down when you take out thisnail. 01:34:43.19 Dave Um, yeah I think I thought he was Nbc like just nbc summon or an invader. 01:34:44.55 Cameron And. 01:34:45.56 Leonard Yeah, yeah because I don't think yeah because I don't think they've ever So yes, thus far in the game up until this point like and when you've encountered them I don't think they've ever summoned like a humanoid like enemy. 01:35:00.23 Cameron And. 01:35:04.45 Leonard Ah, so far like that this a distinct like name because it because it gets a name The the you're right. 01:35:05.51 Dave Yeah. Yeah, he gets it as is a dude. So I think that just took me off but he ran up the stairs and just I was like Wow I didn't expect that and then I didn't want to redo the other first chunk of the catacomb. 01:35:19.19 Leonard Yep. 01:35:27.15 Leonard Um, yet. 01:35:28.50 Dave So I wouldn't fought the dragon instead. Okay, whatever I'll go back there later and then I just forgot that it existed because there's 50 other things that we're doing at the same time. 01:35:38.65 Leonard Yeah, yeah, and then there and then at at like at the Tippy top There's like ah there's that ah, ah, bigger than average graveyard for for Eldon ring full of ah. Ah, those who live in death we get the giant ah spirit skeletons which ah yeah. 01:35:59.70 Dave Way too many of them. Those are just the pain in the ass because it's like I'd be looking at 1 and then it's say oh a death beam murdered me from somewhere. Oh there's like 5 freaking skeletons and they're crawling around great. 01:36:03.59 Cameron Yep. 01:36:10.21 Leonard Um. 01:36:14.96 Leonard Um, yep, Ah, yeah, there's ah, there's a there's ah it's not in the notes but there's ah, there's a mariner here. Um yep, Ah, um, and hey guess what would you beat them those those. 01:36:22.73 Dave Um, yeah to be a mariner. 01:36:24.96 Cameron And. 01:36:31.99 Leonard Ghost skeletons. Do not go away. Ah which made me real salty. Um, and then ah heading brought down towards what it's like the eastern side North like northeastern side. Yeah. 01:36:35.90 Cameron Nope. 01:36:47.24 Dave Northeastern. Yeah. 01:36:48.74 Leonard Ah, we encounter another. Ah the death right? Bird my favorite enemy because ah and because it's me and branding. 01:36:53.60 Cameron Yay! Yeah, yeah. 01:37:00.97 Dave Yeah I still have to go back and I tried this fight a bunch of times and just was not something was I think I kept getting it down to Quarter life and would get killed. But um I tried to draw it into a little lightning storm area. 01:37:05.45 Leonard Um. 01:37:05.68 Cameron So. 01:37:14.40 Cameron So it's a tough one it. Ah. 01:37:16.39 Leonard Yeah, yeah, oh it just des bonds. Oh okay. 01:37:18.49 Dave But it but it's it's leash doesn't go that far. It just sits right outside and it it just runs back. You know or it turns around it runs away and waits just outside of that area and like oh come on this looks like you should be able to just zap it with lightning. 01:37:24.51 Cameron And. 01:37:32.79 Leonard Oh I'm sure once upon a time you you could and then they were like people or will be just lead this thing into the lightning we need to shorten its range. 01:37:32.95 Cameron Yeah. 01:37:42.57 Dave Yeah, it's like why are you going to put lightning right next to this boss when you won't even let me use it. 01:37:50.48 Leonard Because it'll make it because it'll make everybody angry and then and then Miyazaki steepled his fingers and pushed his glasses up and smiled you're right? But ah. 01:37:58.86 Cameron It's. 01:38:00.35 Dave Um, and shown that devious light. Yes, yeah, but. 01:38:08.30 Leonard Past the deathright bird we end up at ah what? Ah, really kind of counts as the legacy dungeon for this area and that's castle soul. 01:38:16.74 Cameron And it's a castle. 01:38:24.80 Dave Yeah, we'll we'll tackle that next time along with finishing up the the crucible section. Ah, there's not a hole up, but there is some some fun little lore stuff with castlesole because it's it's the completely different thing that's going to go on. 01:38:25.60 Leonard Yes. 01:38:26.45 Cameron And. So yeah, yeah. 01:38:41.82 Dave Um, they're another faction. We love it. 01:38:42.61 Leonard Yeah, yeah, the the yeah the faction that we've seen all the time if we've been paying attention to the mausoleums but gets absolutely no narrative play until we get here. 01:38:45.97 Cameron Yay. 01:38:56.35 Dave Yep, yeah so I think that all that'll wrap us up. Ah for this particular episode we had it. We got a lot more lo digging in than we usually do So that's a nice little change pace and some and some theory. 01:39:07.76 Leonard Yes, well you know we had to fit. We had to fill the content and with with lower discussion because no. 01:39:13.40 Dave Yeah. 01:39:14.25 Cameron This cccc. 01:39:17.49 Dave There is no, there's no not a whole one in this zone. 01:39:23.80 Leonard We can't we can't spend 15 minutes talking about the wandering golems which still haven't been explained the flame golums that did just once again I like I really do I really? ah just kind of ah lean towards the like man this. 01:39:30.40 Dave Yeah. 01:39:41.32 Leonard World was messed up before the earth tree the earth tree messed it up and then America messed it up with the shattering like 3 like layers of just crapsack world. 01:39:52.16 Cameron And. 01:39:57.60 Dave Yeah, and and it's only going to ramp up the ridiculousness. Um as we as we get into the home stretch in the next couple episodes. Yeah. 01:40:04.68 Cameron And. 01:40:06.12 Leonard Yep. 01:40:11.13 Dave All right? So we'll do our little wrapup and then call it a night slash day call to weekend. So what we'll do Leonard where can folks find you on the interwebs. 01:40:17.49 Cameron Yeah. 01:40:23.14 Leonard Yes, people can find me on Twitter by searching at Dr Faust is dead. Ah that is my primary account where I occasionally post pictures of food. Ah mostly pictures of my cats. Ah, occasionally ah, tweet something that ah more than 1 person likes and ah will post links to ah my video essay work whenever I make a new video and if you want to skip ah having any kind of parasocial relationship with me. Ah, via Twitter ah, you can just look at my video essay work by going to Youtube and also searching Dr. Fausta's dead I promise I will make something soon I actually kind of I think I I've got an idea of doing a very short review. Video on a game I just played recently. Um, and if you are not interested in any of that but want to see what I do what I'm trying to do professionally. You can find me on Twitter also at umbranots productions that is my professional account as I am a freelance video editor and you can also find my business youtube by searching umbranoth productions as well Cameron where can people find you on the internet. 01:41:47.50 Cameron I button you can find me on that Twitter at night underscore Twitter night without a k ah I'm not tweeting a whole lot at the moment because my days are filled with wondering where my days went and also worrying about my upcoming wedding but they'll be. Photos of that in like oh god what date is it in like four weeks hooray oh god um so if you want to see photos of that you can go check my Twitter out occasionally there'll be a photo of my cat or a funny thing about Australia that's all quality content. 01:42:19.88 Dave All right? You can find our other co-host Adam on Twitter at adambuchery and there's links to his itch not io and all his fabulous tdrpgs there. And myself you can find on Twitter atyninut underscore plus if you're looking to contact us you can go on onto our Twitter at Ammon Underscored on underscore d monster I think yeah, it's been a minute since I had to use that. 01:42:46.91 Cameron I yeah. 01:42:52.25 Dave And this and other back episodes are on monsterdear.monster um yeah and there's other stuff that gets plugged in a few seconds before the music kicks in because we now have an ending music theme again. 01:43:10.20 Cameron Yay. 01:43:11.79 Dave Think I did one a long time ago, but there's an official one again. Um yeah, so this is us to sign off. We will be back next week starting Doro Hero the first 4 episodes of that. Yeah have ah have a good weekend folks and we'll catch you next time. 01:43:28.80 Cameron And by everyone. 01:43:30.00 Dave Bye bye. 01:43:31.95 Leonard Goodbye.