07:21.00 Leonard Today ah it's a full house here on the podcast I am joined by Dave. 07:29.25 Cameron Yeah. 07:36.00 Leonard Cameron and Matt how are you guys doing. 07:41.30 Dave I'm doing pretty good since you named me first. 07:43.79 Cameron I I was named second so I'll say I'm doing very well I have the first permanent piece of monster dear monster history on my person I I got I got a tattoo of the tantanal the tiger yes to say so. 07:59.81 Matthew At least beautiful. It's a thing of beauty. 07:59.87 Leonard The statistics. 08:03.16 Cameron It's it's got gorgeous I love it. It's got glowing eyes and I believe in some janky script underneath and it's very apropos because the pub. Ah the tantanola tiger hotel was shut down yesterday for not paying its rent. So. 08:20.60 Cameron Got that right on time striking while that iron is dead cold. 08:22.56 Leonard They will now come to collect on you cameron. Apparently. 08:26.64 Cameron So yeah, I'm going to lose a flap of skin. 08:28.88 Matthew Um, know the merchant of Venice reference there give up your pound of flesh. Yeah. 08:33.79 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not that big a taer. It might be like half a pound how you doing Matt yeah. 08:41.15 Matthew Oh well. 08:48.30 Matthew Yeah, just like a gym class and days of your I was named last um I was ah I'm doing pretty good. You guys will never believe that it's snowing outside right now. Um, so the world is very quiet I know right? weird It's springtime. 08:51.84 Cameron So. 08:58.35 Cameron Really who could have guessed what. 09:05.26 Matthew Um, it was 40 the other day and it's like t-shirt weather and I was loving it and now it's back down to freezing so that's all right? But other than that doing great I'm happy to be back I missed you all last week and um, yeah. 09:05.62 Dave It's like ° here like trade you some I don't know any of the snow. But. 09:19.68 Cameron Oh. 09:25.30 Matthew I I love that these 2 episodes coming up are both lovecraft adaptations. Um for better or for worse and I don't know I got to see my boy brown Jenkin like anytime I get to see brown Jenkin I'm very happy about it. So. 09:35.83 Cameron Yeah, that mean, yeah, that's fair, yeah. 09:43.15 Leonard And ah for me, it finally stopped raining in California for whom who knows how long I have no idea but it's it's dry for the moment which I am personally grateful for um. But we're not here to talk about inclement weather. We're here to talk about ah gimma de toro's cabinet of curiosities ah episode 5 and 6 which as Matt pointed out earlier are two love craft adaptations ah Pickman's model and dreams in the witch house. Ah so ah, Dave ah give us a summary of ah, Pickman's model 10:26.59 Dave All right for a summary of Pickman's model you can go all the way back to episode 21 of Monster Deer Monster where we covered the story for the first time. 10:33.70 Cameron I. 10:35.89 Matthew Well good night folks. 10:37.54 Leonard Right? right. 10:40.68 Cameron Alltata Atta and. 10:41.64 Dave Ah, ah, but this has almost nothing to do with that. Ah because this is they've ah they've made an adaptation while fleshing out another story and more characters. It's ah fully so is a standalone piece I mean yeah I think you could read the short story and then get a different thing than you get from watching this Tv episode. 11:15.64 Matthew I feel like both of these episodes are like that they wanted to flesh out the characters more or give. Yeah, add an extra half hour onto there. Um, yeah. 11:16.22 Leonard Um, ah. 11:20.80 Dave Um, yeah, this is an hour long so it's it doesn't um it is and I don't think it overstays its welcome it. Ah it paces itself pretty well. 11:28.90 Cameron It's weighty no no. 11:31.35 Matthew Oh no. 11:35.12 Dave So it's basically the life and times of one will thurber and he is an art student at Misskatonic University ah he's one of the top of the class. He has a promise he has. He's showing a promising career. 11:43.37 Cameron Stop. 11:54.74 Dave And Lo and behold. They get a new student ah to the class and this is pickman pickman just shows up one day and he's been traveling europe and the globe and he wants to learn. 12:00.82 Cameron Mm yes. 12:13.91 Dave Something new like learn some new skills some art skills. Yeah yeah, they they? Yeah, he's he's from money. Um, he just enrolled himself into this prestigious university but he's like. 12:14.99 Cameron So yeah. 12:16.11 Matthew Is he supposed to be like old or like they they mentioned the fact that he's old already. Yeah. 12:21.28 Leonard Um, yes. 12:26.45 Cameron I Much older than this regular students. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no. 12:32.10 Dave 20 years yeah I mean he's he's more than 20 years older than these other students but he's at least 20 years older than the students but not still not quite as old as the professor but somewhere or somewhere in the middle and probably closer to the professor's age and um. 12:33.84 Leonard He's like for yeah, he's 40 He's 40 12:35.31 Matthew Right. 12:42.32 Leonard Now. 12:47.43 Cameron Ah, yeah, yeah, push push push back. 12:52.10 Dave He is pickman rather is unique in his his sense of ah art and vision and the the instructor asks they're doing um, live studies so they have um, um, a nude model or nude model. 13:09.40 Cameron So. 13:11.40 Dave Um, they're doing life paintings or sketches and ah Pickman's vision of that and the the instructor takes the time to go paint you know paint what you see don't just make make shit up and his what he sees is his like a grotesquery. Ah, multi-limbed decomposing figure. It's it's really cool looking. It's very metal. 13:30.89 Matthew It rules. It's so good I'd have that picture in my home. Yeah like I've got I've got like bakshinsky paintings in my house and I would yeah I would definitely. It's like that. It's just like oh what is this guy looking at. 13:34.51 Cameron It's so Good. Oh yeah. And. 13:42.55 Dave Um, man it's like that. Yeah, not not quite like that hardcore. But it's it's it's you know he's he's making his way. Um, but this ah Thurber's like kind of. 13:50.31 Matthew Um. 13:58.37 Dave Challenged on this. Oh there's a new student and this it's older older guy and you know got to see what his skills are so he sneaks a peek at the um sketch that they're doing and he's just like blown away like you he he hates and loves it I think. 13:59.76 Cameron Button. 14:07.40 Cameron And. 14:13.52 Leonard Yes. 14:13.58 Cameron And yeah pickman is like incredibly skilled and obviously talented but the subject material drives people away. Well. 14:13.74 Matthew Yeah. 14:16.48 Dave Um. 14:21.63 Matthew A. 14:23.10 Dave Yeah, and it's also like not what he was supposed to be doing but that is what I think Well, that's what gets Herber He's like you see something. That's not what we see like you're like what do you know? what do you? you like. 14:26.96 Cameron I Mean if that's what he sees? yeah. 14:35.90 Cameron No no. 14:42.65 Dave Got some choice stuff What what's going on here. What how are you. 14:43.26 Cameron Yeah, on drugs in the middle of class. There we go. 14:53.65 Dave And yeah and he takes it. He hears that pickman kind of like goes out to the graveyard and gets his inspiration and sketches out there so he creep believe goes to check on him. Um. 15:06.39 Matthew Yeah, a graveyard with moving Earth and a dead cat and it's like all all the other out. Yeah and a weird little guy like it's all the other graveyards from the series so far. It's just like don't don't go there guys. 15:12.35 Cameron Just a weird little guy. 15:13.71 Leonard But at. 15:14.10 Dave Yeah, where do I love. 15:21.70 Cameron So. 15:23.47 Matthew It's not good. So. 15:23.48 Dave Do it doesn't look safe. No and the and in and the dead of midnight. Um. 15:25.92 Leonard Um, there he Also they're also in the graveyard is a really annoying name that anybody would be irritated to receive from another person which is dicky. 15:26.94 Cameron And. 15:37.46 Dave Oh yes, Richard Dicky Pickman 15:37.56 Cameron A yes. 15:44.24 Cameron Was a different time. 15:45.40 Matthew Ah. 15:46.51 Dave Well, the thing is he when he says it. It's not an endearing term. He says it like he's being an asshole. So yeah, like yeah dude come on just like. 15:48.57 Matthew I've known 2 guys with it and that name. yeah yeah yeah I think it's because he knows he's for money and he's trying to like knock the prestige out of his. 15:53.29 Cameron Oh yeah, so. 15:54.95 Leonard Right? What to do when dicky and I'm like ah can we not please. 16:04.21 Cameron M. 16:04.86 Leonard And. 16:05.13 Matthew And of his name like oh you're you're not Richard you don't you're you know you're one of us your plet just like the rest of us even though this guy is chasing money with that with that girl and is trying to marry rich and stuff. So yeah, he's he's he's no saint either. 16:05.37 Dave Yeah. 16:09.90 Cameron Snap you dicky picky. 16:11.98 Leonard Um, but ah. 16:12.78 Dave And. 16:18.15 Cameron Oh yeah. 16:21.39 Dave Yeah, and that helps situation was like it. It was like well we'll we'll circle back around dear this is just like the quick the supposed to be quick summary. Um he gets a ah gander at um, Dicky's sketchbook and it's full of like. 16:25.42 Cameron And. 16:35.56 Cameron Yeah, oh yeah. 16:39.41 Dave Really cool sketches and he he never he takes it all as if not that they're just regular sketches but then he's like he's he must be looking at something and then making them. 16:42.45 Matthew Ah, here. 16:58.63 Matthew Ah. 16:58.79 Dave Because he's impressed by like that like that vision and but he doesn't ever say what's the model of it just I just wanted you know I wanted him to say that he doesn't bother because he he starts getting like upset not at pickman at this point but just at himself. 16:59.00 Cameron Um, yeah. 17:06.30 Cameron First yeah. 17:13.14 Matthew Um. 17:14.21 Cameron Yeah. 17:16.78 Dave Like my art sucks I don't have this vision or whatever I'm I'm I'm too by the numbers to rote and and pickman's like you should come and check out my my my you think this is guy I have some stuff at home. You had to come see my paintings come. 17:30.57 Cameron Oh yeah, yeah. 17:32.83 Matthew He just wants so bad to share. Yeah, like let's get into it now Chris mc glovers accent and this heat. No, it's it's the 3 stooges. 17:35.16 Dave Check them out or whatever I can't I can't not mimic that accent. It's too wild. It just goes places. Yeah, it's like a lung Shoreman but then something else. 17:37.36 Leonard Death. 17:41.26 Cameron I've seen some things. 17:47.17 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 17:51.78 Matthew He says woi and wild and like it's it's like a silly like not quite Boston not quite like New Jersey in between and it goes no it vasciates wildly and yeah it it actually pulls you out of the scene a little bit too much I think. 17:57.65 Cameron Yeah, yeah, oh. 17:58.78 Dave Yeah, but it but it doesn't It's not consistent and like shifts. 18:04.54 Cameron So. Maybe. 18:11.63 Matthew That Yeah, um, that like we that would make sense I mean he's also a super weirdo. Yeah yeah, super weirdo. 18:12.76 Dave I Think it's because he's been traveling and that just like fucked up his his acts I mean I I can I can vouch for that like learning a bunch of different languages goofs up your English and he's real weird. He's just a weird guy. 18:15.47 Cameron Just got a messed up accent. Oh yeah, yeah yeah. 18:30.67 Matthew Yeah. 18:33.32 Dave Anyway, and Thurber goes and checks out the ah vault of horrors. The the wonderful magical paintings. He has that um, they all if I have if I have like 1 thing that I didn't like about this. Entire thing this this episode was the um, the weird. Let's make everything move like on a picture I didn't like that effect. Yeah, it's not it. It made me not want to watch it like I that just was. 18:57.46 Matthew Like a motion comic. Yeah I hate that motion comic effect. 18:57.64 Leonard Oh yeah. 18:59.10 Cameron Ah. 19:10.61 Dave No good. Um, like like you can keep the weird sound effects. You can keep everything else and and just maybe zoom in on it or whatever to op. But the thing is like wobbling and stuff and it's like oh it just doesn't look good. Um because it looks cheesy. 19:18.33 Cameron Yeah, have a draw the I in. 19:19.26 Matthew Yeah. 19:25.61 Cameron Yeah, so. 19:27.59 Matthew Ah. 19:30.38 Dave And then I'm like why are you getting all upset about this thirdber if you had just goggled at like these very detailed horrendous subject matter paintings like that would have been okay except for the subject matter wasn't like I don't know Maybe we're just jaded like I'm trying to. 19:41.40 Matthew Ah. 19:49.55 Dave Think of like if you saw this weird stuff but it was like nineteen oh six. Then yeah, maybe. 19:50.00 Leonard Um. 19:53.18 Matthew So we actually had this conversation while we watched it my partner and I and I was just like no I don't think so because like in 1823 Goya painted saturn devouring his son like right. 20:05.95 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 20:08.30 Dave Oh yeah, and they're well they're like they're lambasting um czanne and like other like masters that did like weird stuff too. So yeah, it's always it's where people we make weird shit. 20:12.86 Matthew Ah, right? So like Horrific Imagery has been you know in? Yeah, exactly horrible scary things so you know and we were talking like you know. 20:23.75 Cameron Um. 20:27.70 Dave So like think of like bosh all of bosh that's old. Yeah. 20:28.17 Matthew Were there artists at that time creating things like this exactly and yeah, so at this time Absolutely people were were creating horror somewhere I don't know how much of it is cataloged that might be an interesting search in the future. But um, yeah. 20:30.33 Cameron Oh yeah, oh. 20:45.80 Matthew This this kind of stuff definitely existed. 20:46.55 Dave Yeah, there's yeah so it's they're trying to do something they're trying to convey like it's not just the subject matter. It's it's the witchcraft like woven into the paint I don't I don't know. 21:02.92 Matthew A. 21:05.77 Dave Um. 21:05.80 Leonard It's it's the it's the it's 1 my favorite lovecraft con seats which is like the creeping corruption that ruins everything that it comes into contact with only it's it's paint and canvas and it makes everything worse. It's very much. 21:05.97 Cameron Um. 21:10.50 Matthew Um, yeah, yeah. 21:21.00 Leonard It It reminds me. It's a minor part of ah in the mouth of madness but the constantly changing paintings in the mouth of madness. That's the effect that they're try I feel like they're trying to convey with this? Um, yeah, yes. 21:24.40 Matthew Um, yeah. 21:34.61 Matthew Um, yeah I love that that contagious madness thing that if you see it. You have to you know, paint it or create it and then it spreads and spreads and spreads and this was like I'm watching Jojo's bizarre adventure right now. So of course I'm gonna compare it to that. 21:34.71 Dave Ah, they they just didn't do a good job of the effect. 21:46.94 Cameron Um. 21:53.80 Matthew But it's like when they do a reaction shot and they just pan across the still image and everyone's screaming. It felt a lot like that like that anime like way to cut corners or something. 21:55.94 Cameron So yeah, exactly yeah. 21:59.68 Leonard Um. 22:08.10 Dave Yeah, so he gets he gets disturbed um enough so that like he's having bad dreams but it it just wrecks like his next several years but more more immediately his next day because he's he's supposed to go to a party for it with his. Um. 22:20.28 Cameron Yeah. 22:25.32 Dave I Don't think she's his fiancee I think they're just dating on the low. Yeah and this was this was the attempt to like try to introduce him to her father and like. 22:29.14 Leonard Yeah, yeah, because. 22:29.38 Cameron Lover Yeah, unofficially. 22:31.44 Matthew Um, because he has to sneak out. He has to sneak out. 22:42.19 Dave Make way for them to maybe announce an engagement or something. 22:44.54 Matthew A. 22:45.71 Leonard Yes, because he's an artist and artists are scum just like ah actors theater actors, television actors. Well Tv didn't exist but like all those artsy people they're all reprobates and and horrible and you can't. 22:47.64 Cameron So. 22:50.56 Matthew Yeah course. 22:59.18 Leonard Marry them because I'm a sugar baron and ah something something capitalism. So. 23:03.10 Cameron Oh. 23:03.97 Matthew Exactly oh and right before this is when he he gets his kaehurst summons and the carriage shows up and he gains his first point of insight and starts seeing you know some undead boobs and all sorts of crazy crap. 23:05.88 Dave Um, yeah. 23:09.34 Dave Yes. 23:10.72 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 23:17.13 Leonard Some hairs hairy undead boobs. It's very shining. It's very ah guy in suit guy in dog cost to whom the shining Actually maybe yeah every yeah. 23:20.48 Cameron Harry. Um. 23:21.36 Matthew Yeah. 23:27.47 Matthew I have. 23:29.44 Dave Except for instead it's your fiance's father. Yeah. 23:30.10 Cameron Button this this this system. 23:32.57 Matthew Yeah. 23:37.20 Leonard It's all bad. It's all bad when you look at his art. That's how you know good art, good art is the kind of art that makes you hallucinate after you look at it. 23:38.14 Matthew Yeah. 23:40.40 Cameron W. 23:40.61 Dave It affects you? Yeah yeah, so he finishes his you know terrible acid trip and he just totally wrecks the party and this is like though so he makes. 23:44.79 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 23:58.59 Dave Like yeah he he's kind of making a spectacle spectacle of himself at this party but he didn't do any like we don't see him do any other thing that would be like not appropriate and then his girlfriend is just like you're I can't believe you would do this and just ruin everything was like. 24:15.67 Cameron I mean you know Miss Miss most of the party. Yeah. 24:18.47 Dave I Mean your high society I guess he had to have done other stuff like. 24:18.87 Matthew It It makes me think he had a history or something. Maybe. 24:22.82 Leonard Ah, yeah, ah that there's There's also an implication that he's like a functional alcoholic as well. 24:29.21 Matthew Yeah, there's a reference to that later because after they're married. She's like you're not drinking again. Are you? so. 24:30.60 Cameron So. 24:40.94 Cameron Yeah, so. 24:41.20 Dave Yeah, so yes, they um it just flashes forward like 20 years 24:46.99 Cameron E Yeah yeah, Mm skip that. 24:51.63 Matthew Ah, critically through World War one um and because he yeah he he mentions that he mentioned shellshock later that he is a shell-shocked person so we are to assume that he fought in World War one and that is what and. 25:04.48 Cameron So. 25:07.87 Matthew Maybe that's some of the horrors. He's been carrying with him but it's never really expanded upon other than like a single sentence. 25:12.27 Dave Yeah, they don't Um, they don't address it and it doesn't like that would be important to know ah but without them like physically addressing it and showing that other than now he's part of a um. 25:17.94 Cameron Stop? yeah. 25:20.23 Matthew Ah. 25:23.78 Matthew Yeah. 25:29.88 Leonard Interesting. 25:30.38 Dave Intelligentsia like high society. Yeah yeah, but it's it's like only one duty new and then everybody else is just. 25:34.00 Cameron Yeah, he's part of the high arts committee or something. Yeah. 25:34.57 Matthew He married rich like yeah, ah. 25:37.17 Leonard Yes. 25:45.18 Cameron Um. 25:48.10 Cameron Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. 25:48.85 Dave Fancy people. 25:50.41 Matthew Um, put a bunch of guys that laugh like ah but those guys. Yeah, exactly. 25:52.86 Dave Yeah, indubitably quite charming. 25:56.51 Leonard Um, right? they spend a lot of time in the parlor. 26:01.40 Matthew Yes, oh yes. 26:01.71 Cameron Yes, so much time. 26:03.80 Dave Oh yeah, oh yes, yeah, and so yeah, they're um, he's part of this and then ah his it's kind of like nemesis buddy think your're your friend. 26:17.75 Cameron M. 26:19.63 Matthew Friend of me. 26:21.50 Dave But they're competing with you for like a position at the the big table um has brought in a new new potential um member of the circle and it's it's pickman has shown back up. 26:21.97 Leonard Yes, yes. 26:26.74 Cameron 5 26:36.88 Dave And Pickman who looks exactly the same as he did twenty years earlier down to his fancy hat. Everyone had a little fancy derby they were nice hats. 26:38.82 Matthew I have. 26:41.89 Cameron Yep, ah man they're lovely hats. 26:44.43 Matthew I Read such good hats in this. 26:55.89 Matthew Away is it that Joad who brings Pickman Joe Joe Minot yeah every time they said Minot or Joe I would say his full name in my head and I couldn't help but think about that. 27:01.60 Cameron And yes. 27:03.60 Dave Yes. 27:14.52 Matthew Scene from bad santa when he finds out the kid's name is Thurmond Merman it's like your name is Joe Minot Jesus Christ dude no wonder everyone picks on you sorry. 27:16.46 Leonard With that. 27:25.35 Dave Are. 27:27.84 Leonard Um, ah. 27:33.70 Cameron That's where um, but yeah, yeah, it' it sort of does say a lot that he went through World War one and seems to be you know he's he's suffering shell shock or what we call ptsd but he seems to have established himself fairly well managing himself fairly. Well. 27:46.91 Matthew Um. 27:50.17 Cameron And the second someone Mentions Pickman's back in town. He completely starts falling apart again like that that deep rooted seed of trauma from that weird stuff he saw that 1 time appears to outweigh. 27:55.49 Matthew Yeah, ah. 28:04.79 Cameron Fighting in World War one in terms of its toll on his immediate mental health which is wild and. 28:12.80 Leonard It's it's that motion call make that pickman was like take a look at this motion. Um, there's There's a there's the I was I was gonna say there's. 28:13.29 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 28:13.57 Dave Yeah, it was making me mad and I was only seeing it secondhand. 28:17.52 Matthew I know. 28:18.80 Cameron Get a look at this. You're not good. You're not going to understand but your kids are going to love it. 28:23.32 Dave I think. 28:27.47 Leonard There's a part of me that wants it to be like ah remember the um, kind of hollow inserts that you'd sometimes get in comics and um, um, like trading cards where if you turn it. It looks like it's moving things like I. 28:33.35 Cameron M. 28:41.40 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 28:41.52 Dave Yeah, the lenticular and lenticular stickers and stuff. 28:42.50 Matthew How. 28:45.16 Leonard Pigman's just like I've developed and I've developed a new way of painting and he's just reacting to like moving the canvas back and forth and he's like this is terrible. Yeah, exactly. 28:55.43 Matthew First lenticular comic. Yeah, ah. 28:56.00 Cameron Um, yeah I've found something dark beneath the Earth. Yeah. 29:01.85 Dave Just gave him most sickness just all. 29:03.20 Matthew And it's one of those mad Magazine Fold ins. 29:03.80 Leonard Um. 29:06.30 Leonard Um, yeah, exactly. 29:13.49 Dave Hickman's magazine 29:14.95 Matthew Yeah, if you if you hold it right side up. It's a beautiful woman. But if you turn it upside down. It's an old crow. Oh God my mind is being destroyed what madness have you unleashed. 29:15.71 Cameron Ah. 29:15.89 Leonard Um, man it's ah. 29:23.41 Cameron Ah, no. 29:26.66 Leonard Um, ah. 29:30.50 Cameron Man yeah, that's too fair if Lovecraft had been born like fifty years earlier that's exactly what all of his works would have been by all all all all this stuff is like these machines they're taking over the air conditioning its evil like fifty years earlier would have been like. 29:37.84 Matthew Oh totally. 29:39.77 Leonard Um. 29:48.80 Cameron The printing press has allowed us to make pictures that move if you quickly flick through this book of them by God It's like they're leaping off the page to assault me. 29:57.49 Matthew It's It's very much that like a single sour patch kid would kill a Pi ah kill a pilgrim kind of logic like it just it's too advanced. They can't handle it. 30:02.28 Cameron Oh yeah, for sure. 30:05.95 Leonard Um, he. 30:08.80 Cameron You live off bread and salt your entire life and someone stuffs so fucking sour warhead in your mouth and you just go oh that's it Ted. 30:13.31 Matthew Yeah, that's it I hear the angel singing it's time for me to go sorry Dave. 30:24.31 Dave Ah, the Devil's fruits. 30:24.91 Cameron Ah I mean you know? Yeah, but that yeah, that's that's like that's the root of this fear of the unknown it's it's unknown we can't comprehend it yet one day. 30:25.98 Leonard Um, what's that. 30:31.64 Matthew Yeah. 30:33.98 Leonard What's that what's that. Ah, what's that colony that just vanished over overnight was it Roan oak somebody a time traveler just showed up to roanoke with a Cinena bun and the whole thing was over. 30:36.79 Cameron Oh yeah. 30:39.13 Matthew Roanoke Roanoke yeah 30:39.58 Dave Roanoke. Yeah. 30:49.99 Cameron Ah, yeah I can imagine that. Ah oh my god. 30:52.28 Matthew They had finding dory on Bluray and they just like everyone started tearing their eyes out. 30:56.94 Leonard Ah, just Dr. Ah now they all just they all just packed rocks into all their pockets and brought walked into the sea. 31:05.71 Matthew And they just kept saying just keep swimming just keep swimming just keep swimming. 31:08.10 Cameron Just keep swiming oh god but yeah, pickment pigment's back in town. That's where Dave take it away. Yes, yeah, he sends a terrible gift. 31:15.21 Dave Um, yeah, he's back in town. He sends a gift and it's yeah, a lovely giant photo not photo painting. Yeah and um, Thurber's like 31:15.55 Matthew Yeah, yeah, yeah. 31:26.69 Cameron Ah. 31:32.20 Dave Little child. Um, yeah, he E like he's yeah, still this little ah sport. Um. 31:34.00 Cameron The is some yes. So. 31:34.91 Matthew James his little James oh. 31:37.13 Leonard His his baby child. 31:39.36 Cameron His baby child his infant baby son. Yes, yes. 31:50.93 Dave Like he's drawing pictures to his dad's just like he knows me artists just like his dad. Um, yeah, he either. It's late at night and the kid can't sleep so he sneaks down and like takes a peek into the photo the at the painting and like. 31:53.21 Cameron You want to be an artist. Yeah, a sweet. 32:09.81 Dave Ruins his entire future. 32:12.58 Matthew Ah yep, and this is when he like has the flashback or vision or what there's a lot of time hopping in this right? Yeah, when he goes to that. The. 32:13.83 Cameron Ah, yeah, just one little look. 32:17.54 Cameron So. 32:20.90 Dave Um I I think so he does it a couple times so it's a little bit confusing on the timeline. Um, so he yeah he he was told by pickman that pickman's great grandmother relative. 32:27.96 Matthew When he goes to the dinner. 32:30.30 Cameron Um, mm who. 32:35.67 Matthew A. 32:38.00 Cameron Um. 32:38.20 Dave His great grandmother um was one of the wotleys. Um, ah the the Lavinia Wotley um and she held ah masses beneath the ancestral home. 32:43.37 Leonard Yes. 32:43.47 Matthew He. 32:43.54 Cameron And. 32:56.42 Cameron Yes. 32:57.80 Dave Um, and in the angelster home and then she was making deals with demons and ah killed and and ate her husband and served him to her like coven and so that was one of the the subject of the final painting. Um that pickman had shown thurber. 33:07.98 Cameron Yes. 33:10.75 Matthew Ah. 33:17.54 Dave And now Thurber is having like weird time traveling dreams where he travels back in time and place to um, the heyday of the ah ah Pickman how home. Ah, and. 33:26.93 Cameron And. 33:36.91 Dave Finds himself at that particular dinner party and I think that's where he isn't know where he gets his chest scratched and it like damages his shirt in real life was that that second time that was the first time. Okay, yeah. 33:45.18 Matthew No, that was the carriage that was yeah that was the first time it was the carriage. Yeah, this time there's like just like a bunch of live sea life like lots of crabs and stuff which is really great because the association with yog thought off? Yeah yeah. 33:48.39 Leonard Um, yeah. 33:50.56 Cameron N. 33:56.23 Cameron And. 33:58.61 Dave Um, yeah, it's very dagan which is weird because it's yas off off so they've they've mixed a few of their elder gods together. 34:04.49 Matthew It's a little confused but ah it yeah it brought back a lot of memories from me because ah, having lived in Massachusetts for a long time previous to living in Vermont um, ah. Oyster crabs were all over this table have you guys ever had those before they are little crabs that yeah they live in oysters and they like like yeah so when you get oysters when you're cleaning them. They'll just these little crabs come out everywhere and individually. They're really, they're also called pea crabs sometimes. 34:24.38 Cameron No, are they good? Oh um, yeah. 34:26.40 Dave Um, no I've seen them. 34:39.54 Cameron Okay, I've heard of that. Yes, so. 34:39.70 Matthew Individually They're really like yeah they're they're tiny insignificant things. But if you get a ton of them if you like really cleaning a lot of oysters. They make an amazing salad and like I don't know why but like it's the scene where they're like serving a human head and there's a hand there and I'm just like sitting there going? Oh man I can really go for some oyster crabs. But. 34:56.16 Leonard And. 34:59.68 Matthew Ah, this isn't healthy I need to evaluate this? Yeah right? I mean I can I can eat around that right? That's it'd be rude not to have them. Yeah. 35:00.32 Cameron Ah. 35:01.67 Leonard Frequency. 35:01.69 Dave There was there was a foot in a head and yeah. 35:08.49 Cameron Yeah, as long as the crab hasn't directly touched it. Yeah. 35:13.33 Leonard I I mean I mean I mean the head did have a ah Jaunty little octopus hat. So there's that as well. 35:18.27 Cameron M But he. 35:18.82 Matthew Yeah I mean they're having fun with it and that's what's important you know it's real Olive Garden rules when you're there your family. Yeah. 35:27.44 Dave Just was tabled table dressing. It's It's the it's the um, they're not the order of what the heck is a thing that you put on the side of it That's ah you know little spri. You's Justt supposed to eat it. 35:28.23 Leonard Um, it's it. 35:41.14 Matthew Oh a garnish. Yeah, a gar a garnish. Yeah yeah, we definitely could no. 35:42.90 Cameron So. 35:43.11 Leonard Ah, like Parsley garnish. 35:45.12 Dave Garnish. Yeah, the head was just the garnish is you know you don't eat that it's just the decorative. 35:48.22 Leonard That that that coven that coven party was the the ultimate version of everyone's vibing not of cell phone in sight. 35:59.87 Cameron Um. 36:00.60 Matthew Ah, exactly we just needed a scene of a cloture opening up to something nasty underneath it? Um, but that would have been way too much. 36:04.78 Leonard Mission. 36:08.35 Dave Yeah, so yeah, the kid sees the the photo or the painting and um, no one knows about it. They didn't know that their kids saw it and thurber of course the next morning he tells his servant big assistant guy. He said. 36:25.40 Cameron Find it. 36:27.58 Dave Go send this back to wherever it came from. He's like I don't know where it came from just get rid of it basically like make it disappear. Um, and then he ends up running into pickman because this is where he's told that oh pickman's going to be um. 36:30.88 Matthew A. 36:45.40 Dave Displaying at the gallery like use has a tes a gallery up and he's like yes, nobody should nobody should look at that and and he ah ends up all right? Did you think he's just to go home. He's mad and then he gets home and pickman's already there. 36:45.61 Cameron And. 36:53.41 Cameron 50 37:03.42 Dave Like talking to his wife and drunk and just hanging out. 37:06.19 Matthew Yeah, will's got a real like let someone else take care of this I'm just gonna get mad and leave kind of attitude like yeah, all the way to the very end. He's like that I'm like dude you need to like do this yourself. 37:12.28 Dave Yeah, no I mean that's how he does his life I think. 37:13.14 Cameron E. 37:21.30 Cameron Yeah. 37:23.72 Dave Yeah, a lot of things could have been solved if he had like handled it on his own. 37:26.72 Matthew A. 37:29.52 Leonard There is this really kind of interesting aspect to to this interpretation of pickman though which is like will is constantly like and very open and earnestly like kind of disgusted by his work but like. There's that little bit of fascination in like the process and what he is actually creating to the point where pickman kind of sees him as like ah like a contemporary and a companion. 37:48.81 Cameron But. 38:01.91 Cameron So. 38:04.86 Leonard Possibly understand what he's trying to do so it's it's like this very 1 sided friendship where pickman doesn't realize that will kind of hate him and is disgusted by him ah because he also understands that will is fascinated by the art and the process and i. 38:05.65 Matthew Yeah. 38:21.66 Matthew Um, it's like. 38:21.82 Cameron Yeah. 38:24.65 Leonard I Like that dynamic a lot honestly. 38:26.67 Dave It. 38:27.98 Matthew It's like he knows that that will is the only other person who can see this and not completely subccumb right away and that yeah like a total kindred spirit kind of he's like oh you see them and then you can talk the next day and haven't gouged out your eyeballs with a melon baller. So obviously like. 38:33.71 Leonard Yes. 38:34.17 Cameron Yeah. 38:44.71 Cameron Um, yes, yeah, doesn't understand ah will hasn't had quite the same level of exposure as him but still gets a little freaked and. 38:45.45 Matthew You know we're bros now come to my house and check out my paintings. 39:00.64 Matthew But yeah I think it's It's a little bit later in the graveyard. Ah, where pickin just becomes wildly desperate for will to see the paintings that it's like it's like a lonely desperation like he's almost crying. It's it's. 39:09.20 Cameron Mm Yeah, so. 39:15.30 Cameron Oh it's so sad. 39:15.50 Matthew Very good. 39:17.80 Dave Um, yeah I don't I mean the paintings are his I don't think he has a choice like I think he has to make them like it's a compulsion. Yeah. 39:21.78 Cameron Yeah. 39:23.27 Matthew Yeah, and he has to show someone? yeah. 39:25.58 Leonard Um. 39:29.31 Dave And he needs. It's just somebody because he can't just like he's been absorbing this himself only yes and yeah, he's like like just come check out the painting and then I'll I'll like I'll leave you alone I will never see your family again I'll I'll. 39:32.24 Matthew Right? art art exists when it is observed. 39:35.42 Cameron Yes, yes. 39:48.25 Dave Burn everything or I'll let you burn it or whatever you know you can destroy it all I Just need you to see it. Yeah, it's like I'll pull out of the exhibit I mean I won't I'll just go away. You won't it would be like I was never here just please come look at my I need someone needs to see this thing. 39:49.77 Matthew Yeah I won't exhibit. 39:53.35 Cameron Yeah. 40:03.26 Cameron And yeah. 40:06.70 Dave Yeah, and Thurber is like you know, whatever fine you'll you'll destroy it or whatever like that's go you know I'll just all 1 quick peek and yeah, we'll get rid of it. Yeah, just a little just a little peek. 40:19.80 Matthew That's it. Everyone else and went nuts but I'm built different. 40:24.50 Dave And. 40:27.15 Cameron Ah, yeah. 40:27.57 Leonard Well, it's all it's all under like the pretense of like a man. Okay, cool I'll get to his gallery and then I'll just ruin everything because this stuff is sick and this this man needs to be stopped with his art. 40:36.46 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 40:38.90 Matthew Ah. 40:44.96 Leonard His disgusting disgusting art and I am the moral authority to do so. 40:49.59 Cameron Oh yeah, yeah, so. 40:53.45 Dave Yeah, and so yeah, they go to Pickman's house or the the pickman place and me sees that yeah he sees like this super ornate door and he's just like yeah probably shouldn't go in there. 40:59.20 Cameron Yeah, Grabs his gun on the way. 41:03.54 Matthew Yeah. 41:07.69 Cameron Mm That's the bad place. 41:09.87 Matthew Yeah, and if you thought pickman's dorm was trashed. Holy hell this house man. 41:11.67 Dave Yeah. Yeah, was just like yeah they cut off the electricity and I don't have you hear some candles like let's make this real spooky. 41:21.60 Cameron Yeah. 41:22.91 Matthew Ah. 41:24.49 Leonard There there's a part of me that's like a man is that like ah is that the the state of his his ancestral home like a vague like reference to Crimson Park peak because. 41:36.36 Dave Um, it looked kind of like it. 41:36.40 Cameron yeah yeah I could see that that that obviously a 1 ne-time very opulent lovely home in just such absolute disrepair. 41:38.10 Matthew Aha. 41:46.58 Leonard Yeah. 41:50.58 Dave Theres like there's a hole in the ceiling. But yeah, they go through the winding back section of the house and it's It's like little corridor just filled with. Horrifying little sketches. They're not even paintings. These are just sketches at this point they just yeah, it's bad vibe. Um, and there's like rats and stuff scuttling in the wall and pick them just like yeah there's rats they they come out of the field and they're just like I don't know what the hell they eat but they're here. 42:08.15 Cameron Oh yeah. So. 42:25.22 Cameron So yeah, actually. 42:25.41 Matthew There Nah they're coming from the graveyard. We know what they eat. 42:25.51 Dave Each other I guess who knows yeah and um, yeah, so pickman they gets to a door and pickman just like um I'll be right back I just got to straighten up some stuff just hang out here for a second. 42:42.51 Cameron So. 42:44.97 Dave Don't don't listen to close to thor. 42:46.68 Matthew He's doing what I have to do at the shop when someone new comes in and I'm like I need to go hang on to the dog for a second just to make sure he doesn't freak out. He's doing that exact move. 42:52.40 Cameron What the doll doing. Yeah. 42:55.40 Leonard Um. 43:00.21 Leonard It's either I Let me make sure that my dog's cool with you or hey I need to make sure that my roommate mates not being a weirdo. Ah so. 43:07.57 Matthew Yeah, yeah, so that's more like it. Yeah have we just get back in your well for like 10 minutes please 43:07.60 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 43:10.86 Dave Did you put on some clothes come on God Guess or. 43:15.70 Leonard Well yeah, exactly. 43:19.99 Cameron Be cold, be cold as my friend from school man. 43:23.90 Matthew Yeah I've been trying for 20 years to get him to come over just please be cool. 43:25.30 Dave I Mean that's the dialogue. It's really good. 43:25.61 Leonard Um, yes, actually I. 43:31.78 Dave It just you just sit in the other room for just a little bit come on. We're just gonna look at some books. 43:34.83 Cameron Ah, we were going really well and World War one happened. 43:37.16 Matthew So yeah. 43:44.00 Cameron Yep, some paintings from all round the wild. 43:45.29 Dave Just we're just supposed to watch a movie. Can you just hang out in your own room this time. 43:47.11 Leonard Yeah, don't worry I'll show him your portrait that'll be the first one he sees he'll know how he'll know what he'll know what's going on when I show him that. 43:54.40 Matthew Yeah. 43:54.74 Cameron This yeah. 43:56.47 Dave So. 44:02.77 Leonard And then maybe you can like come out and get like your Ho hose and some milk. Ah, but you can't drink from the cardin. Please none from them. 44:06.47 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah, hey did you fill the can of gasoline. We just keep on the floor pay me Sir It's beg pardon. Okay, good. 44:13.37 Matthew Yeah, oh it. It's it's turpentine. It's labeled turpentine. Yeah I can't buy turpentine in that volume anymore and it makes me upset. 44:13.76 Dave Yeah, it's not that's painting spirits. Yeah yeah, not gasoline. That's just to clean the paintbrushes. 44:24.20 Leonard Um, and. 44:24.44 Cameron Yeah, now they get just. 44:25.75 Dave Really I thought you could still. 44:28.45 Matthew We used to be a real country. Yeah, not without like ah you have to get dispensation and stuff to go over a certain amount. Yeah, maybe different in Texas my friend but we've got a big. We've got a big beautiful lake here. We're trying to keep safe. Yeah. 44:32.71 Leonard Yeah. 44:32.81 Dave But I thought I saw it at the art stores could be could be I bet I bet you there there State State law State by State Yeah cause I got a sore I saw big mineral spirits cans. 44:36.75 Cameron Thats starts dangerous. But I mean yeah. 44:41.44 Leonard Ah, definitely different in Texas. 44:46.45 Matthew Yep. You can get I think a gallon at a time but that that's like that's like a five gallon ten of whatever they had. Yeah, just just a podcast about boys talking about hardware stores. 44:49.90 Cameron Yeah, okay. 44:57.36 Leonard Innocent. 44:58.36 Dave Yeah, that was a big and I think I've only seen a little gallant ins Anyway, um what you're here for so ah at content um not content. Um, we don't use that word. 45:07.94 Cameron Um, oh yeah. 45:08.70 Matthew Yeah, this. 45:14.98 Dave Yeah, so he hears the the weird conversation like the 1 ne-sided conversation going on and he's just like look I I got business to do I got we got to get rid of these stuff so he hops in and he's like pick me and where yeah, show me your stuff so we can. 45:24.59 Cameron Yes, yeah, okay. 45:32.46 Dave Get on with this and we can get on with our lives and I got to go and this place looks like it'll burn very well. Ah, and it's like. 45:40.11 Cameron Yeah. 45:47.36 Dave This part was genuinely sad because Pickman's like super happy to like have thoroughber here and he's he's just really wants to show him horrifying things ah to be sure. But um, he's just like yeah the art and I I like I love it and he goes to grab. 45:50.92 Matthew So yeah. 45:50.96 Cameron I Know what he's been working on. Yeah, so. 46:04.95 Dave Remember where he was grabbing. It was something innocuous. Ah. 46:07.66 Matthew He was grabbing. Ah ah what was it paints and brushes and stuff he wanted will to paint. Yeah, he wanted will to paint. He's like finally ah, you're gonna paint my model you're gonna paint the thing that I see yeah with. 46:08.10 Cameron Mm. 46:12.68 Dave Um, yeah I think I think he was getting ah a palette like a palette box. 46:14.61 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 46:18.51 Dave Yeah, we'll sit and but we'll do like a little live model thing. It'll be so fun like like my roommate's just going to perch on the edge of this well here and then I got some candles This is great. So fun and. 46:25.14 Matthew With my roommate. It'll be great. 46:37.65 Leonard Yeah. 46:38.60 Dave Thber just fucking shoots him because he gets he's he's he's like amped up to 11 and he reached in his coat and he just shot him. Yeah, and he I mean so he does feel really big bad that he did and. 46:38.39 Matthew Yeah. 46:39.97 Cameron Yeah, yeah, um, yeah. 46:44.84 Matthew Yeah, and this is when he mentions the shell shocked that? yeah. Yeah. 46:52.64 Cameron Yeah, oh yeah, so. 46:57.50 Dave Thank thank you thurber like at least you have that left because otherwise he's been a like a tool the whole movie. It's like I mean you know why? but that doesn't like excuse him just being a jerk all the time. 46:58.95 Cameron That button. Oh yeah. 47:04.99 Matthew Ah. 47:12.39 Leonard Great. 47:12.50 Cameron No, how bad could it be. 47:14.38 Dave Like man you saw 1 creepy painting and that was twenty years ago how happy bad could it be how bad could this curse be and it's like it's been ruined. It's been ruining and eating in my life the entire time. Yeah. 47:18.86 Matthew Um, yeah I mean it really is this? Yeah, it really is a story about ptsd like 1 event happens to you and it destroys the rest of your life if you don't deal with it. Yeah. 47:29.53 Cameron M. Yeah, which he didn't. 47:36.18 Dave Yeah, no I mean that's what they that's what they've done with this. 47:38.43 Matthew Did she He patently did not yeah. 47:41.31 Cameron Yeah, they yeah it is. It is really sad because yeah, pickman's point of view. He just wanted a companion someone who understood the truth. Yeah well, that's pickman's whole spiel through this whole thing is you know. 47:52.14 Matthew Right? Yeah, you might as well go mad together. Yeah. 48:01.20 Cameron We We should paint the truth. What's really there in the dark under the surface all that kind of stuff and ah the reality is yeah yeah, yeah, ah. 48:03.52 Dave What's in the darkness. Yeah, he's like I've got I've got a big candle. Well we can look at it right now. 48:11.89 Matthew Um, yeah, yeah. 48:14.62 Cameron Yeah, a reality of it is a pickicman knows better than anyone else. What horrors lurk in the dark because yeah, he's got a troggolodyke ghoul for a roommate. Ah, it's gonna go I Love the gul. 48:23.53 Leonard He's got a gul and that goal and and the gul is great. It's another fantastic practical effect that we've seen ah repeatedly illustrated in his ah portraits. 48:27.15 Matthew His really good right? right. 48:34.31 Cameron Oh yeah. 48:39.11 Leonard And then to actually see the once again, Really fantastic. Practical effect creature crawl out of the well and drag her big glover as as his homestead burns. 48:49.42 Matthew Da. 48:50.40 Cameron So m. 48:54.34 Leonard Is real real good. 48:55.52 Matthew When it was little in the graveyard I Just like it was just a little guber Goblin in that graveyard I Loved that little puppet that it was just so good. Yeah, anything with big blank eyes and a mouthful of teeth. 49:04.69 Leonard The decision. 49:08.51 Cameron Ah, it's a great puppet that. 49:09.90 Dave I was just like poking out behind the graves like Hello I Love cats. 49:15.50 Matthew So good. Yeah. 49:15.86 Cameron Yeah, it's a friendly. It's a friendly little guy. Yeah yeah, he does love cats. 49:21.30 Leonard I said. 49:27.40 Cameron It's a great great piece of practical work which is is like the main linking thing I found in all these episodes so far as being like yeah we got awesome practical X work running around. Um. 49:34.99 Matthew I think because Deltoro spearheaded this entire project is why it doesn't look like something that like in a few years will be like oh man, you can really see the seams on all this cgi or whatever because Del Toro has 49:49.17 Cameron Yeah. 49:53.12 Matthew Like consistently blended practical effects with the minimum amount of Cg needed to hide the strings and that's it. And yeah, you're right every one of these episodes is is just they're beautiful that they all They all look great. 50:07.40 Cameron Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, every time. 50:08.28 Dave Look Puppets puppets for the win. 50:11.14 Matthew Yeah I mean I know this new season of the mandalorans and getting a lot of flak but every time a ppppet shows up I'm just like laughing and clapping my hands like a dumb little kid again. It's just like I was just having a great time with it. 50:26.30 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 50:31.77 Matthew Anyway. 50:33.93 Dave Yeah, and so they he gets sucked down the well or just dragged down the well really with a big blood trail. Potentially maybe he's eaten. We don't know we don't know what's going on with a little ghoul buddy. Um. 50:40.24 Cameron Yeah, so. 50:46.18 Matthew No no. 50:49.84 Dave And we say a little. It's It's really big. It's like bigger than a person. Um in this adult form. 50:50.26 Cameron Yes, oh yeah, so. 50:51.40 Matthew Yeah, is it is it the same one consistently like it's always been this little thing following him around and he's been drawing and be. 51:04.67 Dave Um I don't I think there's probably more of them because he had the giant picture with like the ghoul feast with like eating children and there was like 20 of them so there could be little ones and big ones. 51:10.56 Matthew Oh yeah, you're right? Okay, all right fair. 51:10.89 Cameron The family. 51:21.84 Dave I Like to think that this is that one and it's just now the big version. 51:26.70 Matthew It's a real fragle rock situation down in that. Well there's all sorts of weird ones and stuff. 51:29.45 Dave Um, yeah, um, yeah, but ah yeah, Thurber burns the place down and he gets gets the heck out of there. Um, and. 51:30.98 Leonard Um. 51:32.54 Cameron Ah. 51:48.40 Dave Everything's everything's ah fine and Dandy Um, they they open up a new gallery exhibition and um his brohams arranged the new displays and everything and it's It's all it's all great. He takes his. 52:06.11 Cameron Yep. 52:07.00 Dave Son and wife to go to the Grand opening like like like I think is a preview before it opens like let's check it out I got it all set up and finds out that from his little assistant that the other dude um. 52:13.30 Cameron So. 52:15.46 Leonard Ah. 52:15.54 Matthew Ah. 52:23.19 Matthew Joe Minot yeah 52:23.95 Cameron Joe German I 52:26.96 Dave Joe Minot Eddie money. Whatever his name is um is just like chilling at the end of a corridor and staring at what is definitely not a painting he would have authorized um to to have in this. Um. Gallery and Joe's just sitting in there repeating the ah the incantations and prayer to Yog Sat O who was the gate and the key and the other bits of the chant. 52:54.68 Cameron Yes. 53:04.10 Dave That aren't the um cthulhu chant. It's not that one yeah is a different one. But um, yeah, he's just saying weird stuff and then. 53:09.27 Cameron Yeah, they're missing the photograph and and all that yeah. 53:10.23 Matthew Um, yeah, no. 53:23.48 Dave Ah, theber turns him around and he's carved an eye out and and then he put a sigel carved into his forehead like that's the Yog soft off branding. 53:32.96 Cameron Yeah. 53:33.82 Matthew Ah, yeah, branding like a Nike swoosh. 53:39.80 Cameron And this will really boost the numbers. 53:42.72 Dave Yes, is the it's this the it's the yo south of like fig leaf or something. Yeah. 53:46.59 Leonard Um. 53:46.76 Matthew Yeah, those shoes aren't air softth offs unless they got the branding on the side you can so you can tell the ones you have are fake I'd like this that they only show it for like a couple second like we were talking about. Ah. The Traumas Bodily Traumas We all hated a few weeks ago and I feel like we're seeing all of them here. But this eyeball that's just been cut in half that is still in the socket is just like Yikes man. That's really intense. 54:10.20 Dave Yeah. 54:16.92 Leonard Ah, yeah. 54:21.99 Cameron Um. 54:24.20 Dave Yeah, and it's rough because you have to go like so is this happening is thurber just lost it like what's going on. Um because he's been on an unreliable narrator the whole time like he's just had too much weird stuff happen that we witness. 54:28.57 Matthew Yeah, losing it. 54:35.16 Matthew Right? right. 54:37.17 Cameron Yeah, um. 54:42.69 Dave Even if he's reliable in in that the things he sees are what's happening. Um, he doesn't know if that's what's happening so it makes it all like a little bit shaky. Yeah, and so he's like okay we got to go he tells his little. 54:50.00 Cameron And. 54:52.76 Leonard Suspect? yeah. 54:54.16 Matthew Yeah, yeah. 54:59.75 Dave Assistant guys like where's go go something's going on. Go get all these paintings out of here like get to destroy them. It's like I thought I destroyed all these how are they in here again and where's my wife where's my kid. And goes and finds them and they're staring at like 1 of the other paintings and he's just like okay we got to go time to get out of here and they stere at for like I don't know maybe a minute he wasn't gone very long. 55:15.70 Cameron Um. 55:17.85 Matthew Yeah, yeah. 55:19.37 Leonard Yep. 55:27.26 Cameron Yeah, if that nah. 55:32.55 Leonard I Mean it's all you need when when it's when it's when it's oops all pickman. 55:33.70 Dave Yeah, if you're not thoroughber. So. 55:36.37 Matthew Um, yeah, yeah I mean the idea of an entity that as you become aware of it. It becomes aware of you is just so good. So scary. 55:38.70 Cameron Yeah up. 55:47.63 Cameron I. 55:48.88 Leonard Yep. 55:53.57 Matthew That it's just like don't even try to look at the unknown because it's going to look back I just I look up. Yeah yeah, a placid Island of ignorance is what you must remain. 55:56.00 Leonard Yeah, don't don't don't don't attempt to learn anything. It'll be bad for you in the end. 55:56.47 Dave Yeah. 55:56.54 Cameron Yes. 56:07.86 Dave Yeah, so apparently like the the gallery stuff's cleaned up. Don't know what happened to his buddy Eddy money. Um and they go home. He. 56:14.91 Cameron And. 56:21.23 Dave Goes to I think he stays to go clean up stuff for whatever because he gets home and his wife's making dinner. Um yes chop Cho lot of chopping going on and so. 56:21.59 Leonard Yes. 56:25.30 Matthew Ah, chopping for too long. 56:26.12 Cameron Yeah, oh yeah. 56:34.33 Matthew Ah, her. 56:37.89 Dave Because this is a visual medium. It doesn't convey to you that he should have smelled something when he walked into the house let alone sitting in the kitchen talking to his wife and that's yeah. 56:48.72 Leonard Um. 56:49.60 Matthew No, he said it smells delicious when he walked in which man when we find out what he's smelling what what the rock is cooking I know that boy is overdone that is gonna be dry. 56:53.17 Cameron So. 56:59.40 Dave Well and is burnt is burned so it's like. 57:01.77 Cameron Um, yeah. 57:06.98 Matthew I don't care what kind of mural pi you put in there the vegetables and whatever aren't going to save this man like that is dry boy that is very dry boy. But if you listen if you're Goingnna have 1 unforgettable meal. You don't want to overdo it. 57:12.30 Leonard Ah. 57:14.60 Cameron Um, over down boy. 57:15.68 Dave Ah. 57:21.99 Cameron So. 57:24.24 Matthew You you want to make sure it's cooked right? It's burnt. Yeah. 57:24.32 Leonard With the. 57:27.59 Dave It's just ki is burnt. It's burnt to crisps. Um, yeah, so his wife is just like she's chopped off almost of 1 hand like diced it into little giblets. 57:29.30 Cameron 1 57:35.33 Cameron And. 57:38.65 Matthew Um, ah. 57:41.41 Leonard it's it's it's very reminiscent of um, the mother in ah Colorado space actually. 57:45.43 Matthew Yeah Colorado of space. Yep, just keep going. Yeah and the the scooping your eyes out because you've seen the thing and that's probably your yeah, it's yeah where we're going. You know we don't need. 57:46.70 Dave Yeah, yeah. 57:56.71 Dave It was vent event Horizon It was very good. Don't need eyes to see but when then she's just talking to him like she can see him so it's even worse. 57:59.66 Cameron Yes, yes. 58:01.53 Leonard Um, yes. 58:04.56 Matthew Yeah, don't need that. 58:09.23 Matthew Oh yeah I mean they like linger on her a lot a great effect like the blood on her face the smile on her face. Everything is just so good and he doesn't freak out as much as he really should be like yeah, that's sure right. 58:22.62 Dave I Mean he's seen worse things. He's seen those paintings. 58:22.94 Cameron And. 58:25.24 Leonard Um, right. 58:28.43 Matthew Yeah, so. 58:32.44 Leonard Yeah, he loses everything because because because he he wasn't He wasn't a big enough fan of his not his frenemy's art. That's the moral of the story. 58:32.47 Dave Yeah. 58:34.24 Matthew Yeah, he sure does. 58:43.60 Matthew Yeah, well it started when he was too curious and had to go over to see because he was maybe jealous because he was the former top student and so was like I got to see what this guy's drawing and it's again his own hubris his own jealousy just planned to the seed. 58:54.10 Leonard Right. 58:55.60 Cameron So. 59:03.55 Matthew But yeah, lost lost everything there. 59:06.32 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 59:06.59 Dave Yeah, and he's like where's James where what have you got in the oven. 59:15.14 Matthew I would have loved to see ending like of in the mouth of madness where like the gallery opens anyway and the stuff's still in there and you see all these people walking you know, walking by these paintings and stuff and so you just know it's going to spiral. 59:17.45 Cameron Oh. 59:23.39 Cameron M. 59:31.53 Cameron Yeah, so. 59:33.99 Dave Um, yeah, but yeah I was um. 59:38.39 Matthew And I don't think we talked about the the um, the great grandmother or whatever. Ah the the the daytime witch who's just like hanging out who like leaves which ghost stuff in the kid's room and ah like you know she was. 59:42.73 Dave The. 59:52.40 Cameron Oh. 59:55.72 Matthew Present but never really like an active anything? yeah. 59:58.42 Dave Yeah. 59:59.30 Cameron Yeah. 01:00:05.46 Leonard Ah, yeah, that's that's that story and that episode and I think as an adaptation. It's pretty good. It's not perfect, but it's. 01:00:15.10 Cameron Yes. 01:00:19.32 Leonard Pretty good at getting the themes of the story across. Ultimately. 01:00:23.11 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:00:23.70 Dave Well, it did and then it it. It added a few more that would have been relevant to the time period and the the grotesqueries the not knowing people when they like return Um, just the the. 01:00:28.78 Leonard Right. 01:00:41.78 Dave The seeing of something terrible and can't let it go like it's It's affected the whole rest of your life like yeah, that's if you wanted to like pick at themes and look at that. That's. 01:00:48.70 Cameron So. 01:00:48.50 Matthew Um, yeah. 01:00:58.80 Dave I Think that that's lending more to the story than the original had in it and it's identifiable like you can you can watch this and go okay I see I see what it's doing with these other themes. It's more Um, it's making it. 01:01:01.21 Leonard Yes. 01:01:02.14 Matthew Oh yeah. 01:01:02.20 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 01:01:16.79 Dave More contemporary with while still being kind of like a period piece like gets rooted in the the time period it was in but that stuff's no less relevant aside from the monsters in the well but you know. 01:01:22.90 Leonard Ah. 01:01:23.21 Cameron Um. 01:01:29.70 Matthew Yes, yeah. 01:01:29.27 Cameron Yeah, yes I mean just monsters in the ah the water water purification station now I guess. 01:01:35.83 Leonard Um, is the specific. 01:01:37.11 Matthew Was that the plot of Dream catcher. 01:01:37.32 Dave Yeah, oh goodness. But what I did um the I was very surprised that this this series this this cabinet of curiosity as a whole. It's like not shying away from like. 01:01:54.73 Cameron So. 01:01:54.74 Dave Pushing the envelope and the final shot being like the inside of the oven and you're just seeing the silhouette of James's head and um thurber like staring into it and it's like. 01:02:12.91 Leonard Oh yeah, yeah, no, but. 01:02:12.98 Matthew Yeah, well I thought that I thought that we were just going to see him like roughly stuffed entirely in there like limbs, all akimbo and like and like what I had envisioned in my head was way more horrifying than the kind of silly head in a roasting pan. 01:02:13.72 Dave That's okay, they weren't playing. 01:02:26.21 Dave Yeah, yeah, this. 01:02:31.22 Matthew With like carrots and onions around it like oh oh for sure for sure. Yeah, like it's It's the the normal made horrified. But yeah, oh trust up would have been scary too. Holy shit. Yeah. 01:02:31.76 Dave I think that they're trying to riff on the earlier dinner party. Yeah, but no I thought he would be like trust up or whatever. Yeah. 01:02:35.61 Cameron M. 01:02:37.79 Leonard Ah. 01:02:44.29 Cameron Oh yeah, so. 01:02:47.97 Matthew Those little like paper things over his feet like I broke a turkey. 01:02:48.16 Dave Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:02:52.98 Leonard Ah, um, yeah, because you know, ah it's super transgressive to murder a kid in any piece of commercial fiction. Not these days. It's all I feel like it's always been that way. 01:03:00.99 Matthew Yeah, well always I mean if if you've ever known someone who has lost their child. The last thing they ever want to be reminded of is that in any form of media doesn't matter if it's for the purpose of telling a story or whatever. 01:03:02.96 Dave Ah, these days. Yeah. 01:03:12.68 Leonard Is that right. 01:03:18.54 Cameron Yeah. 01:03:20.69 Matthew They have they will avoid it wholesale. 01:03:21.61 Dave I mean but I feel like that That's been more recent like there's a lot of kids being killed in earlier media I feel like this is like I haven't seen this kind of thing in a while. 01:03:30.82 Matthew Oh yeah. 01:03:37.45 Matthew Yeah, yeah, you're right? You're absolutely right? You haven't seen it on screen in a while I thought they were just going to show the oven show the smoke and cut to black I didn't think that actually opened the door. So yeah, you're right, they they went further than I thought they would. 01:03:39.40 Dave Where they were willing to show that on screen. 01:03:50.23 Cameron Um. 01:03:51.57 Dave Yeah, and they just keep going with that like like let's yeah, we're doing that. That's yeah. 01:03:57.73 Matthew Yeah, it goes for a while. 01:03:59.29 Cameron Yep. 01:04:05.12 Leonard And yeah, so that's a pickman's model I think ah we all agree that it's ah fairly compelling a very ah, relatively interesting adaptation. Of the work. Ah, and I suppose now is where we transition onto. Ah ah, something completely different Matt do you who want to summarize. Ah. 01:04:28.18 Dave And now for something completely different. 01:04:28.41 Cameron So si. 01:04:31.20 Matthew Ah, yeah. 01:04:37.79 Leonard Ah dreams in the witch house. 01:04:38.89 Matthew Um, dreams in the witch house. Sure um I love this story. Um, the first time I read it ah was we were going to watch the my partner I were going to watch the masters of horror version of this. Um. And I was like I should probably read it before we watch that. So I read the story and it starts off with a student driving through new england to look at the gambrel roof Barnes in New England and it just had so happened that I had just finished building one of those in on my property so I was like. Ah wow, this hits extremely close to home and that's just a very weird detail that I was like I wonder if they're even going to approach that in this and no this adaptation starts much much differently than the the book form instead of a quantum physicist. Our. 01:05:35.10 Matthew Walter Gilman character here ah is a oh he's like kind of like a reporter but not really um, but it opens with um ah these two young redheaded twins each paler than the last. 01:05:52.16 Leonard Maybe 50 01:05:54.12 Matthew Um, ah, ah, but ah, the girl with her name's ely which I don't know if that's it is that a common name back then I've never heard this name before and and every time they said it I'm just like it just it's kind of funny but you know. 01:06:01.31 Cameron Button. 01:06:01.88 Dave Upperly I have never heard that name. It isn't roll off the tongue. Yes I believe. 01:06:11.50 Cameron Doesn't doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. Yeah. 01:06:13.17 Matthew yeah anyway, yeah anyway ah yeah, ah epperli gives up the ghost quite literally and dies in her bed and becomes a ghost which Walt can see because of twin powers. 01:06:25.43 Cameron Yes. 01:06:28.86 Matthew And she immediately violently gets sucked into the woods. It's just like what is going on here. Um. 01:06:33.19 Leonard It it is it is It is very goofy and for somebody who is familiar with the source material. It is awful also quite baffling. 01:06:43.41 Matthew Ah, yeah, I'm just like wait. What are they in the witch house now because it doesn't look like they're in the witch house now and no, not not at all. Um, yeah, ah she gets sucked into the woods and then we flash forward ah to um, a. 01:06:45.49 Cameron So. 01:07:02.96 Matthew Like medium show in I forget what year this one was set in I think it's twenty five thirty three there it is a 25 was the previous one 33 um where they are um, ah like. 01:07:05.95 Dave 1933 01:07:18.69 Matthew Watching a medium contact the spirit of a young boy through some trickery this ghost of this boy must be super strong because the entire stage starts moving um and then like the show's over in 5 minutes I would have asked for my hapenny back because that show was too short I don't that it just. 01:07:37.95 Leonard Um, this is. 01:07:38.55 Matthew It was very strange. Um and it like Walt runs in the back. He's got like a reporter's like notepad like you know all he's missing is the hat with like the the number in in the hat to to show that he's a reporter. Um and he runs back to. 01:07:48.30 Cameron Um. 01:07:57.23 Matthew Probably interview them about how they did it and finds that they're charlatans. They're just you know, um I Forget what? and she's accent. She's Affecting. It's like Southern something just like not what she was doing previously. Um, and says that the ectoplasm that came out of her was like a piece of like wax on a string or I Forget what it is some sort of plastic or plaster. Yeah, yeah, some something gross. Um, yeah, so dejected he Leaves. He's with his friend. 01:08:18.75 Cameron The. 01:08:18.88 Dave There was a tissue in um, not paraffin but some other petroleum thing. Yeah. 01:08:32.58 Matthew Frank right? And um, they are kind of through you know, dialogue and exposition and stuff you find out that they're part of a spiritual society. Um that I guess gets paid by patrons to investigate spiritual things that sounds like a. 01:08:41.45 Dave Yeah. 01:08:52.26 Matthew School job that doesn't exist anymore. Thanks Obama. Um. 01:08:53.92 Cameron No, unfortunately. 01:08:55.48 Leonard Well, you know it. It is a thing but they're told ghost hunting shows now and and and and the people investigating are also in on the graft. 01:09:02.33 Cameron Yeah. 01:09:02.77 Matthew Um, yeah, and you dog. 01:09:08.76 Matthew That's that that's it. That's exactly it. Ah but he returns to his boss to explain it was a hoax um at like a real fun, Real fun office like his boss is like smell this do this I got this little Hammer um, look at all this business. My character gets to do. Um, Ah, there is a woman with a triangular painting and a nun um screaming about a witch house and I'm like oh we're going to get right to that Witch House. No no, we do not um, instead. 01:09:26.93 Leonard Um. 01:09:32.13 Cameron So. 01:09:44.85 Matthew Ah, she has forgotten for like the next twenty minutes ah as ah Walt who is played by Rupert Grint um Ronald Weasley himself ah he gets fired. Um, well he's they're no longer offering paid reporting. So basically. 01:09:48.37 Leonard Yep. 01:10:04.27 Matthew Basically hey man tough shit. So he goes back to working as a bar man as Frank um, who is in the most recent lord of the ring. The rings of power. Um the actors from that. Ah, he is like. Listen I got a real job coming up I got an offer to work at time magazine. You should come with me Walt says no way man. Um and they kind of have a little falling out at the pub that Walt's working at ah where afterwards Walt hears um some native americans. Ah. Talking about in Navajo and half in english about ah what was it ripples in and another dimension or something. It's just like so like it's bait I thought they were gonna like lure him outside and beat him up and take his money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:10:52.50 Dave Yeah, it's not something you like do at the pub like Pub talk in a corner whispering a little bit too loud. 01:10:56.71 Cameron Button. 01:11:00.21 Matthew Exactly why would they go to a different like establishment to do drugs too like you know anyway. So while it goes outside explains this whole story about losing his sister and blah blah blah and the Navajo guy um is just like oh you're just gonna like. Our culture for your stupid tabloid and he goes nope I don't care about that looking for my dead sister. Um, and then he goes back to a peyote den ah which I which there someone's playing flamenco guitar and singing in spanish. So. 01:11:27.79 Cameron Yeah. 01:11:37.35 Matthew There's a little bit. Ah, there's a little Mexico in Arham Mass I guess um the yeah I don't know why they go this direction and use this imagery and iconography and and whatever in this story that just never had it and frankly didn't need it. Ah, the crossing over thing happened on its own in this in this story. But and anyway we're going to discuss what's on screen that we can talk about its flaws after maybe if it depends on depends on our patience I guess right guys? Um, yeah, um. 01:12:10.21 Cameron Yeah, yeah, so. 01:12:16.19 Matthew Right? Ah, yeah, they call it liquid gold but they say it's a cactus flower. So it's obviously peyote. Um and Walt goes to the upside down and um, just sees like a bunch of people milling around I guess that's what happens when you die. 01:12:31.60 Dave This is like the most boring like you're in limbo but it's about I don't even I don't even think it's a quarter mile 01:12:33.78 Matthew And. 01:12:42.30 Matthew Yeah I know and you like slowly turn into a tree I Guess that's kind of the yeah, that's why the witches I'll treat Tree E Um because she's been there for a very long time Anyway, um yeah, and sees ah his sister. 01:12:44.38 Cameron Yeah, maybe yeah. 01:12:58.88 Matthew Um, it doesn't get to communicate with her wakes up face down on the stone floor. Ah the ah the native fellow says hey man that's why we have the pillows like you know, wise up idiot um, he keeps calling them a ah like ah. Pejorative term which I'm like that's it's kind of endearing that we're we're all making fun of this guy. Um and like Walt is like this is great and becomes that really annoying. Dude we all knew who did acid for the first time and it was like it awoke me to the universe. You have to. You have to come do this. You know you got to come drop acid with me at the botanical gardens and you got to let the butterflies land on you and it'll change your life and it's like ah all right? Dude I just know. Yeah right. 01:13:39.32 Dave Give me your money. Yeah. 01:13:39.37 Cameron Yeah, ah. 01:13:44.97 Dave I just need like $500 01:13:47.91 Cameron Yeah, he goes to like literally everyone he knows is like if you just tried this liquid gold it. It's worth it. 01:13:55.36 Matthew Yeah, we'll go out to Sedona we'll get some ayahuasca it does make you throw up a lot but man like he becomes. Yeah, he becomes one of those guys and ah, ah. 01:14:03.84 Dave So I mean he does but this is the validation that he's been looking for for like the last twenty years 01:14:12.29 Matthew Well yeah, but I don't know I see the the metaphor of like you find the validation where you seek it. 01:14:19.53 Dave Oh yeah, well I mean there. He's also he's also yeah, he's his buddy was it Frank it is going hey are you just. 01:14:28.49 Matthew But yeah frank. 01:14:28.85 Cameron Yes, yes. 01:14:35.90 Dave You You went to a strange place and then put strange substance from an unknown man into your body and you're tripping and you're telling me like you're trying to take my money and to go do it again like okay, what Ah what are you on buddy like what's going on. 01:14:38.82 Matthew Exactly. 01:14:46.26 Matthew Aha. 01:14:47.64 Cameron Yep. 01:14:50.85 Matthew Yeah, what's going on here. Yeah and he catches Frank yeah, no go ahead. Sorry. 01:14:54.65 Dave Whereas? Yeah, and then um, ah, he's like well you don't understand like I've I've I've been trying to tell you because his his Frank never saw any Like. No, one's had any proof of supernatural things and that the whole society They don't have any they keep.. That's what they're trying to do and they have patrons with the patrons like you don't find anything now. All we find is Charlatans and hoaxes and frank. 01:15:13.32 Matthew Um, right. 01:15:13.35 Cameron E. 01:15:22.63 Cameron Near. 01:15:25.45 Dave Enjoys that. But I think he was really just in it to spend time with his friend. You know they're just hanging out. Well they have more if ah Rupert ah was like he's driven to the point. 01:15:27.98 Cameron Yeah, so. 01:15:31.70 Matthew Oh yeah, these guys have like a little bit of chemistry. Um. 01:15:37.30 Matthew Yeah. 01:15:44.78 Dave Of like his sister is the only thing he cares about like at all. 01:15:48.80 Matthew Yeah, like he was like we find out later that he was like a a child prodigy who could play the piano. Yeah. 01:15:55.95 Dave Yeah, he could have been like a grand like a super concert pianist. He was supposed to go join Ah um, an orchestra or something. Yeah, yeah. 01:16:01.46 Cameron The Philharmonia yeah. 01:16:02.57 Matthew Yeah I feel harmonic but he's just like Nope Screw fill screw his far Harmonics I'm out of here I'm gonna be looking for my sister and yeah, not the him they have. 01:16:13.21 Dave Um, that is this just like what are you even doing like I'm I'm dead like yeah. 01:16:20.54 Cameron Note so. 01:16:22.51 Matthew Twin Psychic powers. He knows that she's I don't know man I don't know like yeah I get it again. This is a childhood trauma like Ptsd ruling your entire life like it's a very common theme in lovecraft stories of of one bad thing spiraling. Yeah. 01:16:33.65 Dave Yeah, this is like the most like excessive versions of that they dial it up to 11 01:16:34.40 Cameron Yes. 01:16:40.69 Matthew For sure which was not present in the original story at all at all up. 01:16:42.87 Leonard Yeah, they do he hits that? Ah, honestly, honestly at the point where he's like taking the peote and like going on his dream walk trips I'm just like ok cool. This is complete. This is a an adaptation in name only I guess I Just get to see where this goes and see if it gets back on track at any point because this is not dreams in the Witch House. It's. 01:17:04.32 Matthew Ah. 01:17:15.72 Matthew Right? I was waiting for the the time jump like they did in the last story where he where he comes back as a Quantum physicist trying to solve the equation of how to find his sister in this dream world and I'm like that would it that would have squared that circle nicely. But Nope sorry um. 01:17:18.14 Leonard This is. 01:17:23.93 Leonard Right. 01:17:25.83 Cameron So. 01:17:29.72 Dave You know. 01:17:33.73 Matthew So he goes back to visit Eperley like wasting all of his and probably his friend's money. Um, and at 1 part he managed to return with a piece of her torn gown. Um, which I guess like. 01:17:47.53 Leonard Yeah. 01:17:53.71 Matthew That that opens the floodgates that says hey you can come back with stuff. 01:17:54.79 Cameron So yeah. 01:18:00.94 Leonard Ah, when mom when I woke up I had his hat I had Fred Kruger's hat. 01:18:05.36 Matthew Exactly Oh my God Ah anyway, Um, yeah, um, man Yeah,, that's what this story could have used a good musical number from Dawkin I Want to see what the dream warriors are up to. Ah, yeah, um, and then um, after that is proved ah he's um, what is that? Ah sorry I'm I've lost my spot in my my synopsis here right? He is reading up on the Witch. Um, and wants to investigate the witch House. This is maybe an allusion to what is what is the Book. Um. 01:18:55.62 Matthew That is in the original dreams of the witch house. Ah as a thought I can I can never remember these names correct. But yeah, yeah, the book of asethho is the one whoever he finds the the witch and learns about her and Brown Jenkin 01:19:01.99 Dave It's probably as a thought I don't remember offhand. 01:19:12.41 Matthew And the black band which is not in this. Um and all this other stuff. Um, but he just has a book and then he's like oh wait a minute I recognize this painting Um, and ah yeah, he gets the painting from the ah. From the spiritual society as he finally gets fired for doing too much coyote. Um and so he takes that he finds residence in the witchhouse which um, like in the the book. It's not this rundown. It's It's a tenement. 01:19:30.85 Cameron Yes, yes. 01:19:47.35 Cameron So. 01:19:47.85 Matthew But it's not as destroyed and in the I keep I keep referring to the masters of horror one because that one's actually pretty good I mean if you can get over the the film style that it was done in um, which is very it's very hokey ah but you know it's got like that like how every Xfiles episode has ah ah, an oboe or a bassoon like soundtrack for some reason it's it's that it's that kind of thing. It's like you know, ah, 2000 S Era canadian television sts um yeah ah I think we've talked about it before actually ah, but. 01:20:12.85 Leonard Um. 01:20:19.19 Leonard Um, right. 01:20:26.97 Matthew Um, yeah in in that one. The house is like again like a tenement kind of falling apart. But in this one It's just like why would you live in this hole This this place is completely destroyed. There's like trees and branches growing up through it like there's a wet spot on the ceiling that. 01:20:43.94 Cameron I. 01:20:45.37 Leonard Um. 01:20:45.57 Matthew He looks up and and and he's like is is something dead up there and the landlady is just like yep and it's just like what the heck man like and it's like don't move the bed from the wet spot. It's probably fine. Ah, it's um. 01:20:50.56 Leonard This. 01:21:05.22 Matthew Yeah, ah, it's a lot this place but what it doesn't have is the the geometry. The impossible geometry thing which is the whole crux of the story. The written story. It instead has the scrawlings of I don't know who. Wrote this on the walls. Um, that has a person plus person equals Triangle was it was it was it kaziaa who did that? Okay, um, so she was alive when the plaster board was there or. 01:21:31.24 Dave Yeah, the the um kaziaa the witch. Yeah. 01:21:31.31 Cameron And. 01:21:34.21 Leonard Kezia. Yeah. 01:21:43.18 Leonard Um. 01:21:44.27 Dave Um, I think so because she was eventually like inter interred in the house. So the the legend and the the story of the witch is that she was practicing magic and the town's folk didn't like it and they they hung her for a witch. 01:21:44.32 Matthew Ah, okay. 01:21:48.97 Matthew That sure. 01:22:01.64 Dave Um, but on the third day of her that they hung her ah outside of her house on or off of her own one of her own trees and on the third day that they just left her body there it disappeared and someone had spirited it it away and they never found it and now those. 01:22:20.46 Matthew Ah. 01:22:21.57 Dave The tree that that she had been hung on has like grown into the house. Yeah. 01:22:25.50 Matthew Right? And it is like it's It's a part of her. Yeah, just cool and very cool imagery. And yeah, the set The set is cool. 01:22:33.14 Dave Yeah, it's a cool set and it looks cool. But yeah, you would never like you don't rent a room in that place. Yeah, it's dripping. It's full of rats. 01:22:42.82 Matthew No room is a generous word like there's just holes like yeah yeah, yeah, not even keeping the rain off of you. Um. 01:22:43.13 Leonard Um. 01:22:51.33 Dave Yeah I know that the landlady is like don't trim any branches they don't cut anything. It's holding the house together. 01:22:57.11 Leonard Um. 01:22:57.96 Matthew Yeah, um, so at this point he is learning that it is because he is a twin that he can pull people back. Um and he's all excited to do it. So he goes and he gets more peyote and knocks himself out on the bed and in the witch house. Yes, finally um, and um, this is our first brown Jenkin right. 01:23:18.97 Dave In the witchhouse. 01:23:35.19 Matthew I think yeah, he just was cuddling. Yeah yeah, um I love a brown Jenkin ah, he's in a couple stories and always a treat. Um, but he goes into the woods again to find his sister. 01:23:35.29 Dave Ah, he's just been scuttling. 01:23:36.60 Cameron Yeah, the little shots of them here and there. 01:23:54.22 Matthew Ah I guess he's staying longer longer or something is allowing them to communicate for longer periods of time but he finally convinces her to come back with him both convinces. He just starts yanking on her and the witch is just like Nope That's me you got me bring me back. Please. 01:24:11.85 Cameron So. 01:24:13.86 Matthew Um, and this is some real good. Ah practical effect stuff. This is when she uproots herself from the ground and starts chasing them. Ah, there's like fires burning in her chest and in her eyes she is like a. 01:24:27.93 Cameron Yes, yes. 01:24:32.42 Matthew She looks like a like a leshy butt without like the skull or more like a like a sprigan like a living tree demon yeah um, but still with like the you know goody proctor style Salem witch outfit. 01:24:33.66 Cameron So yeah. 01:24:38.30 Leonard A. 01:24:47.82 Dave Yeah, just made of tree. 01:24:51.19 Matthew Integrated. Yeah, it's all like bark and whatever else. It's it's It's really cool. Um. 01:24:54.63 Leonard I would venture to say it's probably the best thing about this episode to be perfectly. Honest. 01:25:02.83 Matthew Yeah, her design they so they spent a lot of money on that design. They absolutely right about that. Um, and there's a bit of a chase sequence here run around the woods for a bit ah Brown Jenkin is a rat and rats them out because so rats do and um. 01:25:07.90 Cameron Martin. 01:25:20.56 Matthew They try to exit through the triangle hole which they're trying to do the geometry thing but it's just such a like afterthought. Um, and ah the witch catches up with Walt and starts giving them the kiss of death to. I don't know exactly what she's trying to do here. She tried to yeah but like doesn't she need him to like pull her through all right. 01:25:39.67 Dave She just said you're mine now and. To try be trying to just take over his body because inside of a body she can regain a a body because this is just her spirit form. 01:25:49.33 Cameron And yeah. Yeah. 01:25:56.18 Matthew Yeah I suppose. So yeah, right? But after a good karate chop from a ghost child. She immediately let's go ah her like Tenderil mouth that is like like completely stuck to his face like a face hugger. Um. And they get out. Um and he's they're just back in the witch house with a little ghost girl. Ah which that's a problem and at this point I was just like this is completely off the rails I have no idea where this is I have no idea. 01:26:29.54 Cameron So. 01:26:32.65 Matthew What this is where this is going is this the end. Um, it's not ah here comes our next character that was introduced 25 minutes ago which I don't even have her name written down I'm sorry this actress does the best she can with what she's got but what she's got is. 01:26:37.46 Cameron Um, nope. 01:26:50.17 Matthew I'm a maniac who paints triangles. Um and haven't arranged the triangles to see what the painting is until now. Um, who can see the little ghost girl and has painted prophetic paintings on all these triangles and what is it She still says. Ah, they're not. They're mutually exclusive right? Yeah, which is a weird thing. Weird thing to chant. Um, yeah, which means like I guess that they're going to be after the spirits are after him because they know he can pull things through. 01:27:10.44 Cameron Exclusive. Yes, very. 01:27:11.27 Dave Yeah, they're mutually exclusive. 01:27:27.97 Matthew Um. 01:27:28.13 Dave Um, well there there can the way this spell works that she is saying is that um only one of them can exist on this plane. Ah. 01:27:44.98 Dave And for that to be the case. Um, there has to be a human sacrifice and because of the power of the of twin. Ah, that's going to be um, Walter has to die and the plan is apparently to the. 01:27:55.96 Cameron This button? Yeah, so. 01:27:58.13 Matthew Um, right. 01:28:04.50 Dave Ele is being used as leverage to get Walter to do a thing which is to actually pull kaz ia through instead of Ele and before the or at the by the morning light walter will have died and that. 01:28:13.44 Cameron And. 01:28:21.27 Dave That fulfills the prophecy to bring Kesiah back to this world. 01:28:24.32 Matthew Right? Yeah, which is just like that's way too much of a exposition slash. Whatever dump yeah in the third act I'm like wait who is this person who's had no character development and why are they a main character now. It just. 01:28:24.70 Cameron Yeah. 01:28:34.54 Dave It's a lot in like the third act. 01:28:34.61 Leonard Ah, yes. 01:28:35.24 Cameron Yes, yes. 01:28:43.80 Dave Yeah, well, she's like oh I Finally understand now the the puzzle. Oh once I've assembled the Triangle I can read it. 01:28:44.21 Matthew It just I don't know. Um. 01:28:51.20 Matthew Yeah, yeah, 5 triangles I painted is just I all right? Okay, um, right? yeah. 01:28:51.44 Cameron Um, okay. 01:28:56.85 Dave Yeah, she has context for it now because before it was just like weird visions to her and she decided they needed to be made into like a not a quite triptic the triforce. 01:29:08.52 Matthew Yeah, her her character doesn't exist in the original story and she is an adaptation. An adaptation of the woman who lives next to ah Gilman in the masters of horror version of this which. 01:29:11.71 Cameron E. 01:29:14.27 Leonard Nope. 01:29:22.72 Cameron And. 01:29:26.80 Matthew Ah, her it because in the original. Um, there's children that need to be sacrificed to bring the witch back and the woman living next to Walt like becomes like friends with him and whatever and she has a small child which ends up getting sacrificed brown Jenkin like eats through the kids. Like wrists or something um to bring the witch back. Um, and you know there's all like you know, whilst having like ah ah fugue states and whatever in that one and and this one none of that exists here. So this character shouldn't have been brought over and the fact that she was is just like probably why she's so hollow. 01:30:00.54 Cameron Yes. 01:30:03.34 Leonard Yeah. 01:30:04.60 Matthew There's there's nothing there. it's it's it's a derivation of a derivation at this point. Um, and then we go to ah a character that has been changed from the original blended 2 characters together in the original short story. Um, ah there is a like. Polish religious fanatic Joseph ah Maseritz um, who is like downstairs praying and like thumping his head against the wall and like constantly praying to against the crawling chaos. He says a lot which is like ah so good. Um, but he's like the only thing keeping the witch. 01:30:24.50 Cameron And. 01:30:41.24 Cameron And. 01:30:41.87 Matthew At bay and then ah, a priest father father. Ah what is his name you and Niki um, and they're kind of both in the story and they blend them together to make this none which again did not get a name very sorry this actress. 01:30:56.18 Cameron And. 01:31:00.57 Matthew That's her best is what she's got which is angry none and and. 01:31:02.76 Leonard Yes, angry none who is also coincidentally the sister of the Psychic painter. 01:31:10.33 Dave Painter. Yeah. 01:31:11.54 Matthew Right? Yes, so they leave the witch house to go to this nun's church. Um. 01:31:17.46 Dave Which it feels like was just like adjacent like didn't seem like they went anywhere like they went around to the backyard where the church is. 01:31:21.71 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 01:31:23.44 Matthew Yeah, like yeah it like are they connected? is there a graveyard between them. Yeah, why not? um, it's it's new england there's stuff close together like that and towards the there's a Boston area. Ah yeah, that doesn't make sense. 01:31:24.14 Leonard Um, yes. 01:31:33.27 Dave Well I mean that also makes sense. Why are the painters living in the witch house. 01:31:41.28 Matthew Um, but ah at first she's like no, you can't get in here and then they there's just a really long dialogue of convincing her that it's all right? and then she makes something about like her floors and then it like halts everything I don't know at this point I was just like man I just. They did this story dirty. Yeah I just cleaned right? Um, which is not a problem soon. Ah Gilman calls frank ah frank being a bro shows up. Um, and ah so does the Witch. Ah. 01:32:00.77 Dave Um, which was like I just I just cleaned I just swept this. 01:32:18.65 Matthew This not immediately gets killed by an exploding window. Um, which sure um, ah Rupert Grint does a lot of throwing himself over pews acting ah which is pretty great. 01:32:26.75 Leonard Um. 01:32:29.81 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:32:30.30 Leonard Yeah. 01:32:31.24 Dave Did a pretty good job with that. 01:32:36.49 Matthew And gets taken by the witch. Um, and then the witch like seals the church shut somehow with magic even though there's an open window just to your left that she blew open nope gotta go through that door. Frank's a safe guy and um so little ghost e lee. Ah, runs out and and it's it's just it's Harry Potter again you guys like there's a witch with a wand trying to get them and and then again little ghost girl good big ghost of children must be so strong like. 01:33:01.20 Leonard If. 01:33:04.78 Cameron Um, yeah. 01:33:11.53 Cameron Oh yeah. 01:33:14.33 Matthew That Psychic was right to have the entire stage move because this little girl just like turns this wander around and stabs the witch in the head with it and that's it. 01:33:21.60 Cameron Yeah, yeah, it's all that a potential future energy. They keep as a ghost they didn't spend it by growing up. 01:33:28.32 Matthew That's it. It's it's potential energy. 01:33:33.93 Leonard Um, and and Kazia Mort is defeated. 01:33:34.84 Matthew Yeah, right? like yeah, the end. Oh and then she gets like you know she ascends to heaven and and and then everyone clapped and you know and I wrote in my notes I'm like. 01:33:37.92 Cameron Yea, the end. No. 01:33:42.46 Leonard Yes. 01:33:51.18 Matthew Ah, is this seriously the end they changed the story a lot. 01:33:54.12 Leonard No, they decide to do the worst thing they could actually possibly do which is not ended it on that schlocky hacky note but actually commit to the actual ending of the story it if. 01:33:57.44 Matthew I know. Lucky yeah. 01:34:09.33 Matthew Almost yeah exactly it is book ended right? We we didn't talk about how it started with like who's this narrator? yeah. 01:34:09.57 Dave Well, it's it's bookended because. 01:34:14.73 Leonard It it Honestly, you guess right? Um, it it really? it really feels like kind of like that's when I actively became angry at this adaptation where I was just like okay now you're just spitting into my mouth. 01:34:16.47 Cameron Yes, so. 01:34:32.56 Cameron Um. 01:34:33.76 Leonard Ah, show. 01:34:33.90 Matthew It it really felt like there was the original story and then like I don't know someone's agent was like this is too dark for my client and we need to change this and you know so so Frank and ah and the painter go upstairs. And instead of in the original book a repository of children's skeletons which is upstairs. They find the wit's corpse um and brown jenkins corpse. Ah, yeah, that in a little box. Ah she really cared about him and um. 01:34:57.35 Cameron And in a little box on these all nice and neat. 01:35:10.77 Matthew But while downstairs ah Rupert grins into bed while Brown Jenkin is like I think at the previous scene like he was crawling towards him so like either he yeah so he went in his mouth and I mean at the very least we get the rat burst. Um, where ah. 01:35:18.74 Leonard Yes. 01:35:30.50 Matthew Ah, yeah, Brown Jenkins just like slams out of his stomach and ah gets the last laugh. Um frank tries to come with a candlestick. Ah that doesn't work and then I guess they're just like and. 01:35:41.26 Cameron No. 01:35:46.65 Matthew Sun's up see he died and then they just leave him there. What great friends they're like you know my journey is over my people need me time to go. Ah they disappear brown Jenkin Gundoms this dude which I didn't know he could do that. 01:35:50.61 Leonard Yep. 01:35:51.54 Cameron Yep. 01:36:02.75 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 01:36:04.19 Matthew Um, just gets inside them turns them on. It's just like spit spot time to go and just like just like you know they just start playing Elos Mr. Blue sky and he just like starts dancing down the road and stealing apples and kicking cans and and that's how it ends and I'm just like what the fuck is this. 01:36:11.90 Cameron He yeah. 01:36:21.60 Cameron Um, yeah. 01:36:21.83 Leonard Ah, yeah. 01:36:23.12 Matthew It's. 01:36:25.50 Dave So Brown Jenkins um he he when he bursts out of Walter. He tells them like what I've done can't be undone because he he finished the the curse or the spell. 01:36:41.68 Matthew Um. 01:36:42.68 Dave Um, because he's I mean he's not that's not his body. He's just a spirit energy and so that allowed him to possess walfa which is I think what was what Kazia was trying to do I mean that doesn't make it good, but that's just what. 01:36:45.68 Cameron Yeah, so. 01:36:49.52 Matthew Um. 01:36:54.59 Leonard Right. 01:36:55.50 Matthew Right? Yeah, but no, no and he's like this body's not even gonna last because it's dead. You know so it's like you're out for now and then and then what right right. 01:37:01.21 Cameron And click. 01:37:01.37 Dave Happened. 01:37:10.95 Dave Each guy do it again. You just got to crawl into someone else's mouth. 01:37:14.99 Matthew And if you meet it if you mirror that to the Autopsy where this thing is like oh I know how to transfer myself perfectly I do it every time blah blah blah like there's there's this like ah like malevolence of consent like that story was just. Umm I'm so sad that I didn't get to talk to you guys about it last week because like it's amazing. Um, it' price I will I will because that's been my. It's been my favorite It's been my favorite so far. It's it's just so good. Um, and but like and then this one is just like that. Whatever um. 01:37:36.27 Leonard Right. 01:37:36.43 Dave You need. Did you read the book. It's really good. It's really good. Awesome. 01:37:36.83 Cameron Yes, yeah. 01:37:52.80 Leonard Yeah. 01:37:52.71 Matthew Rat man who cares? Ah yeah, teach you and DJ walls hell yeah um but you know ah it's not that you don't have fun with it. It's just that this one was a little bit more baffling than the rest and I found that I'm sorry to. 01:37:54.47 Cameron Button. 01:37:55.45 Dave Tin Dee J equals. Ah. 01:38:08.57 Leonard Um, it Oh I It's just it's such. It's such a bizarre adaptation. It's. 01:38:10.95 Matthew Ah, you off there Leonard. 01:38:15.82 Cameron Fifty fifty 01:38:17.40 Matthew Yeah I think I think where it really suffers is um in all of the previous episodes. We've watched so far the cast has been mostly character actors. Um, which are good at just. 01:38:28.45 Cameron And. 01:38:28.52 Leonard A. 01:38:33.32 Matthew Leading into a role and disappearing and you know like Kate Mccuchi was wonderful and f murray abraham legendary. You know we get these people that like you know they they know how to play like 1 weird wackadoo character. 01:38:41.33 Cameron Oh yes, yes. 01:38:42.20 Leonard Yeah. 01:38:51.72 Matthew And be done with it and Rupert Grint is not that Rupert Grant plays the bedraggled yelling guy sad man sappy boy and that's all you get out of him and I I don't know I feel like it affected a lot. 01:38:53.31 Cameron No. 01:38:56.35 Dave Sad man. 01:39:08.30 Dave I mean that's his like ah what did I I watched him in don't even know what the movie was um, 16010 it was one of the first movies he did like after being freed from the potter verse and. 01:39:20.11 Matthew Here. 01:39:24.66 Dave And watching the movie and just going like. He he's just a sad man now he's not I don't feel like I'm watching him just do redos of like Ron Weaselly like that. That's it's not that it's like he's just a sad man. 01:39:31.20 Matthew I hear. 01:39:34.36 Cameron Um. 01:39:38.23 Matthew Um, right. 01:39:38.30 Cameron Yeah. 01:39:45.20 Matthew He's a pathetic sort. 01:39:47.15 Dave And he always has a sad. He has a sad like hang dog face and he can't he's stuck with that and that's just his his 1 acting thing is just maybe he's not acting maybe that's just how he is I don't know. Um. 01:39:51.50 Matthew Um, yeah. 01:39:52.56 Cameron So. 01:40:06.35 Dave He gets savvy as a range in this. He's sad and then he's angry. 01:40:06.60 Leonard Um, right. 01:40:07.21 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 01:40:08.50 Matthew I will say his Massachusetts accent was the best 1 so far in the entire show of ever. 01:40:14.13 Dave For having for something where you know specifically that it's British English and then he gives this. It's good like that's good. That's good American English like kudos to his voice coach like. 01:40:15.57 Leonard Um. 01:40:21.54 Matthew Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, did a great job. Yeah. 01:40:21.68 Leonard Yes. 01:40:22.60 Cameron Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:40:28.81 Leonard Yeah, yeah, he yeah he he has ah he has some range when Brown Jenkins is gets into the yeah he brown because I as like get into the. 01:40:36.54 Dave Oh no, he gets to act. He gets to do something. He's like oh I can have some fun now. 01:40:38.69 Matthew Yeah, yeah. 01:40:39.71 Cameron Yeah. 01:40:46.66 Matthew Yeah. 01:40:46.89 Leonard Get into the Walter Brown jekins 01:40:50.96 Dave Okay, there we go. That's a title. 01:40:52.96 Cameron Ah, if you don't if you don't Mason's going to have to do it again. 01:40:53.10 Matthew Yeah, get it? yeah. 01:40:55.33 Leonard Um, ah. 01:41:06.23 Matthew So we're talking a lot about how these rhyme about how these stories kind of go together and stuff I don't know if I told you guys but I found that there is a chronological way to watch these that has been officially listed um the stories do connect. 01:41:06.34 Cameron Ah, good m. 01:41:14.97 Cameron Oh okay. 01:41:21.85 Matthew And they are out of order on Netflix of course, but there is ah so you can watch them from oldest to newest and you can see the the points where all of these stories connect. Um, so I don't know maybe that maybe that will like after we've seen all of them will ah. 01:41:22.90 Cameron Well yeah. 01:41:31.75 Cameron Oh but there we go. 01:41:40.47 Matthew Kind of tint the ah the watch order and and the the viewing of these a little bit for us. But um, yeah because I was like oh this you know has echoes of this and this definitely has a picture of the thing from the last one and you know. 01:41:54.49 Dave Yeah I mean thematically they're lumped together like they've worked really well paired this way. 01:41:54.57 Cameron Yeah. 01:41:58.43 Leonard Yeah. 01:41:59.47 Matthew Oh for sure. Yeah, yeah, black last week's was all about ah bodily autonomy bodily control and residual self image and. 01:42:12.40 Dave Yeah, and then the masks from yourself to society. 01:42:16.93 Leonard Yes. 01:42:17.17 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 01:42:17.73 Matthew Ah, yes, exactly? Yeah yeah, um, ah and yeah, there's the the theming is great I mean and that's that's that's good horror in general is something that is a relatable thing like a ptsd or whatever. 01:42:32.66 Dave Yeah I mean you could double feature like all of these so far. 01:42:34.61 Matthew That most of us. Yeah, yeah, that anybody can experience extrapolated to a great effect and that's I know it's like horror one on one but I just you love to see it every time. Yeah. 01:42:36.10 Cameron Oh yeah. 01:42:47.31 Cameron Yeah. 01:42:52.80 Matthew Any any last thoughts about this. Did anybody read any of the readings or anything this time. 01:42:58.42 Dave Ah, no, mostly because I we'd already covered pickman's model like forever ago and I thought we had done um dreams in the wish house but we didn't I just had watched the ah masters of horror and I. 01:43:01.40 Leonard Yeah. 01:43:03.93 Matthew Okay. 01:43:04.21 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 01:43:15.28 Cameron Ah, yeah. 01:43:15.38 Matthew We're going to do that in the future. Ah. 01:43:15.77 Dave Stuff gets blended together I So I think I It's a thing I repeat Um I've just seen so many things that I don't always remember what I've seen or I think I've seen something and it was actually like a way further back though. 01:43:23.30 Matthew Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:43:23.94 Cameron Yeah. 01:43:29.78 Matthew I mean I would go through all the masters of horror with you guys I'd love doing that too. But if we just do dreams in the witch house just so we can see the good adaptation. 01:43:38.30 Dave Oh yeah, and I mean we we try to do that I try to even if it's an episode or two later like come back to something and go Okay, now that we have a little bit more context like what else can we? you know show of witches or whatever from this this media. 01:43:38.60 Cameron It is this. 01:43:45.85 Matthew Picture. 01:43:54.67 Cameron The yeah. 01:43:55.98 Dave Because they are differently framed a little differently. So. 01:43:58.23 Leonard Yes, um, yeah, um, hey that it's a it I'm I'm going to I'm going to be the one to ripped the bandaid off and just say it's a bad adaptation of of the work. 01:43:58.84 Matthew Um, for sure. Awesome! Well Leonard you want to take us home. Yeah. 01:44:12.70 Cameron I. 01:44:14.28 Matthew Yeah, yeah. 01:44:15.93 Leonard Ah, um, it's It's a baffling I will I will replace bad with it. It is a baffling adaptation of the source material. Um, ah but you know not, it's not it isn't bad. It's it's. 01:44:24.85 Matthew Ah, yeah, yeah. 01:44:32.66 Cameron Yeah, oh yeah. 01:44:33.64 Leonard Perfectly enjoyable if you just turn off the part of your brain that is supposed to believe that this is a dream in the witchhouse adaptation. Um, at. 01:44:40.76 Matthew So. 01:44:42.67 Dave Um, well if you're just watching this like you haven't seen any of the source stuff and you're just what like this is fine. 01:44:46.12 Leonard Right? Yes, exactly yeah, it's it's it. It's it's the it feels like it's laser targeted to make people like me and Matt angry. 01:44:48.37 Cameron Yeah, yeah. 01:44:48.97 Matthew Yeah, yeah, it. 01:44:57.68 Matthew Yeah, it's called dream in the witch house and he has the first dream outside of the witch house. Anyway. 01:44:59.51 Dave Um, senseless. 01:45:04.40 Leonard Um, um, but no I think that's going to do it for this episode. Um surprisingly ah, really wasn't expecting us to have ah so much commentary on these 2 episodes. 01:45:10.24 Cameron M. 01:45:19.40 Leonard Ah, especially the second one to be perfectly, honest, ah that that's fair that yeah, it's as fair. Yeah yeah. 01:45:20.37 Dave Well I mean these are both an hour long it's not they're not short little pieces. 01:45:21.34 Matthew Oh also who doesn't like watching a car accident man like you drive by, you're looking. You're like what's going on there man. 01:45:24.80 Cameron Yeah. 01:45:33.54 Cameron A yeah. 01:45:35.27 Leonard Ah, so I am I think that is going to ah, bring us to a close ah today of course now it's time for admin. Ah so Dave where can people find you on the internet. 01:45:48.21 Dave They can find me on Twitter at sent on underscore plus that's pretty much the only place I'm on the internet at these days Cameron ha ha got you got you Cameron internet. 01:45:58.71 Leonard Um, and kit out. 01:46:03.20 Cameron Ah, yeah, you can find me on Twitter at night underscore twit come for photos of my cat and photos of my new tattoo. Go look at it. It's cool Matt where can we find you. 01:46:08.17 Matthew Um, yeah, yeah, um, you can find me at the ugly machine on Twitter and on Tumblr I make arms and armor and all sorts of art out of all recycled things. 01:46:25.32 Leonard And you can find me on Twitter at Dr Faust is dead even though I'm actually not posting on there that often anymore and you can find the podcast on Twitter as well at mon d. mon underscore d monster Dave okay I sure I wanted to do it for once I wanted to not throw it to you and try to do the actual admin stuff. Um, although you will have to recite the email address because I have not remembered that. 01:46:45.88 Dave Yes. 01:46:46.86 Cameron I. 01:47:01.63 Dave Monster dear dot no no monster deer monster at gmail.com or monster dear dot monster for like the podcast and and everything else. 01:47:07.16 Leonard It. 01:47:07.46 Matthew Right? yeah. 01:47:07.61 Cameron Oh. 01:47:13.20 Cameron Yeah. 01:47:15.21 Leonard And that is going to do it for this episode. Ah, please come Back. Ah next episode as we wrap up the ah cabinet of curiosities with ah the viewing and the murmuring but until Then. Goodbye folks. 01:47:32.84 Dave Mabar. 01:47:33.16 Cameron Joe. 01:47:34.55 Matthew Yeah, have a night.