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James: [00:00:00] Frank Frank Frank it's Apple event day, I will say our Twitter followers, uh, did say, who was it? Something like how many Apple events I'm just going to summarize it as, like, how many, how many times does Frank and James talk about Apple events or new things about Macko S and like, not to anything else?
It's not my fault. You know, Frank's converted me over to an Apple. Uh, Apple fan. I only use Apple products in the house. I'm a hundred percent Apple. I'm going to buy new products that were announced today when we're recording for me, it's happening. 
Frank: [00:00:41] Amazing, amazing. Um, I totally get the complaint though.
Every podcast has like that one issue that the hosts keep bringing up and you're like, why do they keep talking about it? So I appreciate it. I don't like that. I get the blame for all of this, but I do love, I mean, Apple events are just fun to talk about and if nothing else, they're just launching points to have other discussions.
Plus we're both technologists and we just love shiny new things. At least me personally. So it's totally fun having a UN my side of the boxing ring. I don't know where this analogy is going. 
James: [00:01:15] You know, we always balance each other out as an Android person. And, and this, you know, I've gone through the transitions of all the Google products, all this stuff.
And, you know, once John, I turned to the iPhone, it took me a year to kind of even give it a try. And then the iPhone se was the thing that. Swapped over for me because I just needed, I didn't need an upgrade, but I was like, okay, let me try it out. And it was for a long time, really hard to try Apple products.
They're all really expensive. Um, in general, even for like an XR or something like that and the sizes weren't right for me at the time after having really big phones for so long and, you know, Miguel couldn't convert me for the nine years, 10 years that I've worked. Side-by-side am as Amarin than at Microsoft.
So he tried really hard to convert me over and he'd be like Bay Bay Bay. Let me know. Let me tell you today. Well, you know, Miguel, you're not gonna, you're not gonna not gonna convince me. Uh, and I think also as time progressed and we'll see side tangent here as time has progressed, you know, um, as Android gate came closer to iOS, it didn't really see the clear advantage of having Android over iOS or vice versa.
Right? It was, it was easier to swap between, especially if you're using Google applications back and forth. But, and we still use a lot of Google products. Like I use a lot of Gmail and a lot of Google, and then I use one drive and office. I use all the products, right. I'm on windows right now. Uh, that's, that's my driver, but I'll tell you this much, my Mac book air.
Um, a lot of people have been asking me about my thought process on it. And then we'll talk about it a little bit as if you're a developer as well. My friend, Luke, who based on this event is now going to get, uh, not a, an, uh, a device announced today, but an older device, um, because of the rumors around this one, people were waiting, but I will give you this update is I really enjoy my Mac book air.
I'm really happy that I purchased it. And the battery life has just asked astronomically amazing. Uh, I haven't charged it in a week and it's been fine. I'm not doing like dev work, but we're watching some videos, this and that, you know, and it just keeps going. And it's, it's pretty good. It's not quite a hundred percent for dev purposes, like we've talked about in the past, but I think by end of year, There'll be solid, but let's talk about this Apple event.
Frank. I want to go down the Apple website. I want to go in the order of the one hour stream, which could be summarized in this 30 minute podcast, but I want to go down the page on apple.com. You want to go that route or you want to go a different route? You tell me Frank. Uh, 
Frank: [00:03:52] that routes perfectly fine.
Earlier today, I get excited for these events. So I'm sorry. I am a fan boy. Everyone knows that though. So I guess I don't even have to admit it. I woke up way too early today and I'm like, Oh gosh, what am I going to do for four hours as I wait for this silly event to start up. So I sat on Twitter all morning and, um, I found a cool Apple keynote bingo card, and I tweeted that out earlier.
So, um, I'm just curious to see how the. Apple website lines up with this bingo card that I have in front of me. So I'm ready for this. 
James: [00:04:25] Um, and I w I I'm looking at it now, too. I do think that we can summarize the entire event with your most recent tweet, which is know what happened to the up, down left, right.
Keys. What's going on here? Oh, 
Frank: [00:04:37] no. Okay. Let's start with the negative, but here's it. Here's my fan boy wearing off. Gosh, darn it. Apple. You give and you take, um, you not to jump the gun here, but they released these gorgeous new IMAX today. They come with these like cutesy little keyboards that are just absurdly cute.
I want one, but they ruined the cursory keys again, James, I'm not, I'm not a VI user. I do all my code navigation with these cursor keys. That's why they're very sensitive to me. Maybe if I was a VI person I'd feel differently, but to a sane program, the cursor keys are very important and they keep doing the thing that they've been doing on the laptops, which is full-sized left full-size right.
Mini mini down, which is the absolute worst thing on the whole planet. I would even prefer many left mini, right? Many up many down. Cause at least then you have the affordance of feeling where the cursor keys are affordances very important in hardware devices and Apple just doesn't care kills me 
James: [00:05:44] this one.
Uh, I, I didn't even realize it until you said it. We'll talk about this keyboard. Cause it is maybe my favorite and least favorite. Part of the entire thing, but let's go right into that. IMEX that is the first thing on the Apple website. They are, they released a to go with the Apple logo, squiggly multicolor thing.
They announced an entire new series of IMAX, not iMac pros, which Frank is currently recording on, but an iMac. Um, it is a 24 inch, 4.5 K retina display. It has, we see built in speakers. Mike's a 10 80 P camera. There were funded about that 10 80 big camera. Um, but in seven absolutely stunning colors and it is running on the brand new M one.
Processor. 
Frank: [00:06:38] Yeah. Things are, I want to just call it the iMac adorable, because I think it qualifies. They all have a very light theme, which at first I was wondering a little bit, like how would I actually prefer that? Because I've been staring at this some dark iMac for a long time. Uh, but the bezel is pretty small and the thing is so absurdly cute, but I think you can just look fast.
All of that stuff. I used, um, a white Mac book back in the day, the plastic one, it was so cute except it turned a little bit yellow eventually. And I think they were very smart this time because they colored the whole thing, not white, but in these really gentle pastel colors, um, one super Distaff treated nearly white pastel, then the same pastel with a little more saturation as the chin, uh, chin by the way, which does not have a Mac logo.
So however, would you know what kind of computer you're using? Sure. But then, um, gosh, that, that display and the computer is so thin and on the back of it, they have the super saturated color it's just printed. I think it's all there is 
James: [00:07:44] to, it is super pretty 11.5 centimeters millimeters millimeters it's Oh, the three millimeters, 11.5.
Frank: [00:07:55] Mm. I do know, I'm curious to see one in person because what do they advertise as a 24 inch screen? But then the actual horizontal dimension is 21.5 inches. And I'm like, what does that look like? Cause I've been using 27 inches here for a while now. Um, so, um, I think I'm still curious to see if they release a bigger one, maybe later this year or next year or something, but for now, this is super cute.
Yeah. 
James: [00:08:25] Very impressive. It is. Yeah. 11 or 18.1 inches tall, 21.5 inches wide and a 24 inch display vertical or diagonal, I should say from point to point and under not under 10 pounds, which is also very, very impressive. I don't really 
Frank: [00:08:43] carry my iMac around. I don't know. You know, I have actually driven my iMac twice around.
I've actually hauled it into the car and taken it somewhere, but it's not something you normally do. 
James: [00:08:54] It's pretty good. Cool. I will say this though. The colors are stunning. I love, I love it. I love it. I love it. Um, I've been looking at it now on this website over and over and over again. And I got to say while I do love it.
Once you see it, you can't unsee it. It's what they did is they took a 24 inch iPad pro and they shoved it on a Mount. Frank, you can't see it. You can't unsee it. It happened. That's what they did. That's what they will talk about the new iPad pro in a second, but it's, it's kind of what they did. 
Frank: [00:09:28] Yeah, especially with the new iPad design, um, because it's the squared off edge, uh, rounded at the corners, but squared off otherwise.
Um, it's even during the video where they do those crazy renderings of the fake manufacturing process of these devices, I was getting confused of. Are you showing iMac or iPad right now? And I totally got confused because yeah, it's a 21 inch iPad without a touch screen. Oh, why can't they just put a touch screen on this thing?
Because you know, I love my Mac book air, but I'm getting fingerprints all over it. I just keep jabbing 
James: [00:10:05] at that thing. I already looked at it. Um, my, my, my Mac book air, and I was like, James, James aims. It's not a touch screen. How many times have I told you stop touching it? Uh, yeah, no, I, I, I, it I'm just looking at it.
I'm like, I can't unsee it because you look at the. You know, ports on the side, you look at the web cam, like, man, it's just so familiar. And then it has all the same features. And obviously it runs all of your iPad and I owe us apps on it. It's running, you know, obviously not I'm one with a big Sur on it.
The thing that's impressive of this, besides it's a thin, they basically removed all of the fans. There's two tiny little fans are like, and it's under what? Like, I don't even know what the decibel is. It's like, so quiet. You're just never going to hear it. Um, I love it. I would say this is like I, I'm a, I'm a windows desktop person through and through in all honesty.
Um, but this is a really attractive device. I don't know though, if I'm, I don't know, here's the thing. I don't know if I want to sink this amount of money into this processor with the limitations of. Ram that are available on this device, because if you don't upgrade to at least $1,500 model, you do not get the three ports.
You don't get gigabit, ethernet, and you get a lackluster magic keyboard without touch ID. And trust me, once you have touch ID on a keyboard, you never want anything ever again in your life. 
Frank: [00:11:49] Yeah, this is a really interesting machine, especially from the developer perspective, because from the developer perspective, I kind of feel like the safe bet is still the mini and the air.
If you want a portable. Because these are for our purposes a bit under respect. These, the default models are still eight gigabytes, which is fine. You can do your web browsing without a bit of email. It's fine, but you know, you want to be 16 to be comfortable. And then you want to be 32, four really comfortable when you write the kind of apps that I write that never seem to end.
Okay. Then the other memory and I just terror through all that Ram. Um, but then as he brought up that the second consideration is the ports. And it's really interesting because the base model, the, um, 1,299 us dollars, that model has the same ports as the Mac book air, which is namely to thunder bolt or two USB-C ports that also have Thunderbolt on them.
It's funny that you have to upgrade, as you said, to get an additional two USB three ports, which. I, I hate the thought of spending $200 to get two measly USB, three ports. When those Thunderbolt ports can obviously run them just fine. If you have a hub or something like that, but with the same argument, if you're going to spend the money on this machine, you're probably going to want to get the one with the more ports, because this machine should last many, many years and.
I, you know, okay, this is embarrassing to admit. I have bought two 10 port USB hubs to connect to my computer. I literally have 20 USB ports and there's something plugged into every single one of them. I don't know what I'm doing, James. It's a problem. One of these days, I'm going to have to organize it, but I just, I, you always want more USB.
You always want more hard drive. You always want more Ram and you always want more USB. So I think it's unfortunately worth the $200 upgrade to get that 
James: [00:13:51] I would have to, because yellow only comes in the upgraded model. That's the one I would get. Yeah, you're a yellow 
Frank: [00:13:57] person. Um, my friend wants red. Um, yeah, they have, is it an Indigo?
No, they're calling it purple. I'd want a purple. Yeah. I would go for that one just because it's new has Apple done purple before. I'm just so excited about the purple because I found looks so good. 
James: [00:14:14] Purple is new. Yeah. The phone we'll talk about in a second, which we didn't think it was probably, it looked like different purples, but I think it's because the front and the back you're right.
Are different tones. I'm a yellow person. That's my favorite color. So, um, you know, I mean, if it's Rose gold, that would also get it too. There is an orange was, looks Rose gold dish too. They're all a pink. The red is actually called pink. Um, because they're, they're talking about the color on the front, but the, I will say the purple looks more Indigo, more lavender.
Frank: [00:14:40] Um, yeah, that's what I call it out. You know what I need, I need a device that can calibrate the colors on my monitor to an absolute rating scale so that we're all seeing the same color Indigo at the same time. If only such hardware existed, James 
James: [00:14:57] I one day, uh, I'm really impressed with a few things here.
Let's talk about the keyboard that comes with touch ID and also. The worst therapies in the world. 
Frank: [00:15:11] They're not even the worst. Like I, they are the worst. It's one of the reasons I bought the Mac book air, because I'm like, w th they gave us good cursor keys once there's no guarantee they'll ever do it again.
So I got to buy this computer now. 
James: [00:15:26] Well, I, I love this keyboard because one, it does have touch ID, which I think is brilliant. Um, which means there's a tiny little computer in there. And, um, they come in the same color, same with the, the mouse and the track pad that you can optionally buy with these. Uh, it comes with the same matching colors.
I think that's also genius too, because Apple knows how to get our money. I like it. And that's, I mentioned that also, I will say the power cord. Also matches the best too. 
Frank: [00:15:53] God, I miss that. Oh no. I love this though. I mean, I fell in love with max during the quirky color phase when everything was the clear plastic colors.
I, I, as much as I, I love the gray aesthetic, you know, me, I, I try to always wear gray, black variations of gray, but I do miss the color. So I am so excited for this. I don't really want to spend that amount of money. It's going to take for me to color, coordinate my office. But anytime I see someone with a color-coordinated office, I'm going to give them finger guns.
Yeah. Cool. 
James: [00:16:27] I, uh, uh, I'm, I'm pretty much in love with it. My favorite feature of all is that inside of the power cable, they added an ether net attachment. And I love when things are built into the power cable. Microsoft did this with the surface laptop series and the surface books and the surface book book, and all the things as they would, they added an extra USB.
Uh, charging port in, it looks like in the, in the power brick, you know, like, Oh, I can charge my phone. I don't have to, I don't have to use another port on my device to charge my device. I can just plug it into the power supply. And then I thought it was genius. And what they did here is they added a ether net, um, Jack into the power break, which is pretty small in general, it looks like a normal, you know, smaller power break, like a MacBook pro would have.
Um, but that's nice because it is one less cable you have to run to this monitor. I thought that was a great addition that I haven't seen before. 
Frank: [00:17:24] Yeah, it's great until you plug 20 USB cables and sure. Yeah. If you can keep them much cleaner desks than I'm able to, it would be absolutely wonderful. Uh, the only place where I felt it fell down a tiny bit was they were comparing it to the old Macs and the Mac that I actually fell in love love with was the, it was a hemisphere with a little arm with a monitor attached and they even showed it in the video there.
And this one has a hinge, but it's only on the monitor side. They didn't have the guts to put a hinge at the bottom and I totally get it. It's a lot of hard mechanics to make that hinge work correctly, but I was a little sad. Um, Just that it 
James: [00:18:08] didn't make it. Maybe that'd be for the next model when they have the touch screen.
Because as we know the surface studio, which is what I'm comparing this to goes all the way down and the guts are in the base. And it's very thin, you know, these devices are very, very, um, very elegant devices. So I could see it evolve over time. It will say this, uh, this was the only Mac Mac hardware announcements that we got on this.
And everyone was rumoring that we were going to get a  ass. And everyone was telling me that I made a mistake by getting the Mac book air. My buddy, Luke, after this event immediately placed an order for a Mac mini specked out because he said, I don't need already. He's like, I already have a 4k monitor. I don't need another monitor.
And he's like, I do love it. We both agree that we love it, but. I already have too many monitors. So I, while I liked the iMac and I liked this device, it's not powerful enough for me as a desktop driver. I'm stingy on desktop because I want gamer most. I want them, uh, Oh, I have 64 gigs of Ram in this thing.
I want the, I want the Optum. I'm sure this is a great machine, but if I'm going to drop two K or more, whatever, this is because I want the one terabyte because I'm different. Like on the Mac book air, I did E you know, upgraded a little bit, but on the desktop, I for sure would want the 32 gigs of Ram if they would give it to me, which they won't, because I'm assuming that this is a processor limitation.
Cause no  anything goes above 16 gigs of Ram. So it has to be a limitation of that chip. 
Frank: [00:19:41] Yeah, I concur. I was also looking forward to that and one S or ax it's on the bingo card. We were all looking forward to it because we want to know we've seen the M one. We're all impressed with it. We want to know, well, how far up the curve can you go with this thing, Apple, you know, or we're impatient.
You gave us this wonderful dinner and now we want another dinner the next day and just not getting it. Um, but yeah, it's, uh, I think the Mac mini is kind of the perfect Mac dev machine right now. It's a good price. You can get the lower end model and not worry too much because it's the lower price one.
You can upgrade it in a few years. It's you can attach whatever monitor you want to it. But I think this iMac is going to be a good seller for Apple. Like, I can't imagine bringing any family. If we're ever allowed in the stores, you can bring a family member into the store and be like, pick a color.
They're all gorgeous. And they run. Great. So I think it's going to be an amazing consumer device. 
James: [00:20:44] Yeah. For anyone that wants, uh, wants it, it makes a lot of sense. So, and you know, this gives them room and space to do the iMac pro with the upgraded chips later this fall. I think that's where they're going with these things, by the way.
That's my assumption at the end of the day. 
Frank: [00:20:59] Sure because there was also the color black and dark gray were missing from the color palette here. So you can kind of tell the reserving that for the pro, I was curious that they didn't release a 27 inch, but you know, new, new form factor, I guess it takes time to roll out the production.
James: [00:21:20] Also the fact that we are in a shortage of, of chips and parts and pieces and everything going on in the, in the, mostly around chips, but I'm assuming it's in the entire supply chain too. So I believe listening to different podcasts and reading a bunch of articles that were also in the state where we will maybe for another year or two get reduced skews and, um, options in many of these devices.
So that could be another thing too, is like maybe they secured many, many, eight and 16 gig, you know, unified memory systems and same thing with the, the SSDs. And that's what they can offer. And this, uh, Apple has an amazing supply chain I'd assume, but if you know the Taiwanese semiconductor can't make them okay.
Make things, then, then you can't make them. 
Frank: [00:22:09] Okay. I was going to make a Suez canal joke. I was going to say sometimes boats just go sideways through canals. Thanks for your delight. Uh, wasn't that fun? Yeah. I, I, I imagined that the M ones we're all using right now. We're basically one big production run and they just came up with a design, knocked it out of the park and we're just kind of burning through that production run right now.
But it's Apple. I figured like once they're able to get their manufacturing up, they're going to sell as quickly as they can. And they don't profit by not selling them. So it could be as early as the end of this year or just next year. Sure. 
James: [00:22:47] Yes. All right. Let's get to the big and yet maybe not so big reveal, which is the M one.
Processor this chip that apparently did it a one big production run and have a bunch of them leftover are now Frank making their way into non Mac devices. The M one chip has infiltrated the I pad pro. 
Frank: [00:23:19] So I guess we, we all lost the bet that the M stood for Mac. I thought it stood for Mac. What does it stand for now?
Who knows? Um, it's exciting. I guess like from a technology point of view, I think it's exciting, but yeah. It's a bigger processor in an iPad that already had kind of a ridiculous processor in it to begin with. Like the iPad processor was already beating out a lot of laptops and benchmarks. And so we have this really weird situation where we keep adding power to this device that kind of its feature set aside from like maybe games or something like that.
But it's standard feature set does not need that amount of power. There's just this weird imbalance that's going on right now, personally, I'm excited for it. You know, I'm trying to do neural networks and stuff. It takes a lot of processing. I circuit 3d. I designed that basically to run on the current state of the art of technology, because I was betting on Apple.
Improving performance pretty dramatically over the next couple of years and they're doing it. So I'm happy. My bets are paying off. Um, my software is going to run amazing on it. So I'm very excited for that. But at the same time, it's very interesting. Um, I was using my iPad, uh, to watch the keynote today and I was trying to have like, I messages up and Twitter up and watching the video.
And I got to say, the multitasking on the iPad is just so terrible. It's just the worst. And so I I'm excited for the hardware, but at the same time, I feel like, um, iOS needs to do a little bit of catching up or iPad, iOS, whatever you wanna call it. 
James: [00:25:12] Yes, I would, uh, I would agree with that. I had to do an entire video on my YouTube cause I got so many questions about the, my, my cadence application, how to split screen.
And do pop over on an iPad. I made a video over it so I can just send it to people, you know, it's cause I needed to learn and there's not really great videos out there. I've even on the Apple website of how to drag and drop and when you can and when you can't do stuff, right, it's not a windowing system.
It is, it is a windowing system, but some things they know you don't get to have windows. The interesting part about the iPad pro. Announcements besides that. Okay. So it's getting a bunch of things. The M one processor, it has a Thunderbolt, um, display for speeds, up to 60 or 40 gig transfer, which is bananas.
Um, 
Frank: [00:26:00] Thunderbolt port that's poor. Yeah. So now you can connect funder, both devices to it, which the biggest feature they were touting. There was quick file transfers, which I appreciate. Cause I actually have a, an external SSD thing that is ridiculously fast when it's hooked up to thunderbolts. I appreciate that.
Except for the fact that I've literally never transferred files on and off of an iPad using a hardware device. But I know it's a common, um, thing for like photographers and all of that. So I'm, I'm sure they appreciate it. I just think it's funny. That's one feature I absolutely do not use. Yeah. 
James: [00:26:32] They have a Dolby Atmos in it.
They have five G you can get a 5g thing in it, a two terabyte configurations. So you right. If you're doing crazy things like that and you could definitely do it. Um, a new magic keyboard, which funnily enough has the correct way of doing up down left, right? Arrow keys. Um, surprisingly, but Frank, yes, James, I have to say, I have to say 
Frank: [00:26:59] I'm looking for feature is my favorite feature.
Um, I'm, I'm anticipating you. 
James: [00:27:04] What do you call I'm done with features? So what is your favorite feature then? I'll hold what my favorite feature for why things are going. 
Frank: [00:27:10] I'm sorry, this by far is the most important feature. We buried the lead here. They finally put the FaceTime camera in the correct location.
That's true. Anyone who has ever used an iPad to do FaceTime knows you always, when you have your iPad docked, it's almost always landscape, but the camera was always on the top edge. Now, finally, the camera is on the long edge, which puts it where it would be on a laptop, but even better than that, James, they put a wide field of view camera there and they use software to track your little head so that you're always center frame.
And Oh my goodness. The amount of calls I have had. With people just staring at their hair or ceiling fans or spiders making wins in the corner or something like that. And I do it to other people too. Um, my friend's kid always yells at me. Why don't you ever look at me when we talk? I'm like, I'm trying, buddy.
I don't know where you are. 
James: [00:28:13] I forgot about that. That's true. That's true. I forgot about that. That's a good one. 
Frank: [00:28:19] Well, I should also say then that the iMac finally got its FaceTime camera updated. It only got updated to a 10 ADP camera, but they're doing a lot more software processing on it. I'm assuming all that crazy neuro network stuff that they're doing on the iPhone that are going to do on the Mac.
And that's exciting because I use that FaceTime camera all the time. So any more quality I can get out of that thing out, I'll be excited for. So I'll be happy to get that camera upgrade. Yeah. If slash one. 
James: [00:28:50] So here's the question for you, Frank, when. When is it going to happen? When is iPad pro and iMac going to combine into a singular device slash operating system?
Like, you know what I mean? Because these devices they're pretty similar, right? If you take out that pro and you slap it onto the kickstand and you attach, uh, a keyboard that has a, a track pad on it, it is for all intents and purposes, a Mac, you know what I mean, without being able to run Mac apps, but it has an  processor and you can add Rosetta and runners that max have the ability to run iPad apps.
But when is the iPad to run Mac apps, it has to happen. They're trending towards this. It can't not happen. 
Frank: [00:29:53] Uh, your honor leading the witness. Um, it's, it's confusing, isn't it? Huh? Um, I would say I don't actually expect that to happen anytime too soon. I I'm really hoping I'm wrong. And the step dub DC, they're like, Hey, check it out.
You can run superstar on your iPad. That'd be great. Yeah. But, um, all the hints from Apple so far have been no we're keeping Mac and iOS very separate from each other. iPad OS seemed to be their, um, little piece swag they raised up, but why? Well, I've already given my complaints there. So it's, it's strange from a developer perspective.
I'm not even sure I want it a hundred percent. I want, I want better windowing on an iPad, but that doesn't mean that I want, like, you know, the tiny little red, yellow, green dots to try to hit with my finger. I don't want a bad version of, you know, windows is our only comparison. And Microsoft did a great job of merging that operating system into the two form factors, touch and mouse, trying to get those two to work together.
But it took, it took on three versions. It didn't take a while. It took them years because you get it partially. Right. They went a little too mobile at first. Then they backed off. Then they went a little to desktop and now they're still trying to blend the two. And so it takes time. Yeah. I, I can't predict Apple.
I've I've learned, I just can't predict Apple, but it doesn't feel like they're putting that work in yet. Yeah, 
James: [00:31:33] I got to say that's the one thing you know, is on the surface line of devices is I really enjoy that as a consumer, no matter what device I buy in this range, right? Which goes from full desktops to custom built PC, to laptop, to a detachable book, to just a surface device that has a cake stand and a detachable, um, um, keyboard Fe all are going to be, you know, run the same applications, have great performance and have great design.
And granted that, you know, max can run iPad applications. The, the, the reverse isn't true. And the experience is multiple operating systems. And I don't want, obviously, iPhone two to go on that round. That's why they have iOS and iPad iOS, even though they're the same thing. But, uh, you know, that's one thing it's like here, you could imagine a world, right?
Where it would be very beneficial for people to be able to buy a single device, like a tablet that also runs desktop operating system to do a lot of these windowing and multitasking, because I have had many, a friends and myself on my iPad, just try to do anything, multi window, multi anything. And it is a lackluster experience.
And that's, and that's why I'm not a tablet person. I'm more of a surface person at my service go and things like that. And I really enjoyed that experience as a small tablet that, you know, I can use all the normal stuff with and windowing and what, um, I don't know. I just feel like there's. Maybe once iMac gets, you know, or max get touchscreen, then it's like, okay, like now things are really getting close and they're experimenting.
There'll be that they figure out how to minimize things on an, on a, on a Mac with a touch screen. Then they'll go that route. Cause they'll have to make changes to macro as to make it happen. Right. And they haven't done that yet. 
Frank: [00:33:37] Yeah. And in big Sur, we got like a bigger toolbar, but they didn't put enough space between the buttons that you have to do to make touch work.
And when you quiz Apple, why, why did you make the touch bar or the toolbars bigger? They're like, well, we did it because we think it makes better Mac apps. Absolutely. No, no mention of touch interfaces or anything like that. So I think from a developer perspective, I don't think much is gonna change. My bets are on nothing changing this year, for sure.
And then probably next year, But again, I'm, I'm excited if I'm wrong. That that would be a really fun tucked up DC. 
James: [00:34:17] Yeah. Well, that's a right around the corner too. So we'll be excited about that. Let's get into the next thing here. I phone 12 in purple, which I guess apparently does match the purple of the iMac, which we didn't think it did, but currently it does.
Frank: [00:34:30] Fantastic. I'm still not going to buy one, but very good. What, uh, I don't know. 
James: [00:34:38] Even know you have a 12, 
Frank: [00:34:38] right? No, I'm, I'm rocking the 11 S and I love, I got a cool green, 11 S and I've fallen a little bit in love with it. Cause it's the one that I accidentally left in a Lake for five days under water. And it's somehow magically got back to me.
So I kind of love this phone and I don't really want to ever abandon it again. I have issues. 
James: [00:35:02] I like it like it. Uh, I got to say the iPad mini. It's not a bad deal or the iPhone mini iPhone taught six 99. Interesting. Um, I still have my, you know, my iPhone se second generation and we're about to switch, switch to mint mobile.
I think that's what we're gonna do. Uh, I'm not ready. I I've, I will say the glass back on my phone is shattered. I'm not going to lie about that. That happened a lot sooner than I thought it was going to. So I, I would not mind getting rid of this glass back. Um, 
Frank: [00:35:37] well, there's one huge benefit to the iPhone 12 now that I do not have, which is the U one processor.
Is that what it's called? James? Do you want what it is? I yeah, please look that up while I talk for a moment. Um, this is a shift that they put on these phones, a wireless chip, um, in the last revision. So a year ago on the iPhone 12 and we're all kinda like, well, cool. Like maybe it talks to the AirPods or something, but whatever.
And yet another radio on this device, but a big announcement during this, uh, event are the air tags. And these are, we've talked about little Bluetooth beacons before a million times. This is Apple's own little beacon, the kind of thing. I don't even know if they're technically iBeacons, I'm curious if they show up as iBeacons and the API I'm almost guessing.
No, no, I bet not. Yeah, because uh, the air tags are just these little hunks of plastic. They're really not much any bigger than, um, the standard three volts. A coin size battery. So like an American quarter, roughly, uh, they're that size and they're like 30 bucks and you can track whatever they're attached to.
I have no idea. Did they say how long that battery lasts? 
James: [00:37:00] I think forever. 
Frank: [00:37:02] Well, the neat thing is it's a replaceable battery and an Apple device. How often do you get that? And these batteries really are cheap. You can buy a big pack of them. That'll last you the rest of your life. And they do last quite a while.
So we have these air tag things and it turns out if you want the absolute best, most accurate tracking of them. When you're in your proximity to them, you need this, you won that. I get that right, 
James: [00:37:27] James. It's the ultra wide band technology. I still don't know if it's a Yuan chip, but it was added in the iPhone 11.
Frank: [00:37:36] I would send the 11, so I do have it. Oh, I'm excited. Then for some reason, I thought it was only the 12th. So you need a more modern device to get the hyper accurate tracking. You'll get decent tracking. Otherwise 
James: [00:37:50] that is correct. They call it precision finding it's available on iPhone 11, 11 pro 12 and 12 pro.
And it is compatible with, uh, anything that runs iOS 14 dot five, I guess, which would be iPhone six S plus. So that would be the normal mode. So all of them. Yeah. 
Frank: [00:38:14] So that's the standard. That's Bluetooth four. That's when the success got. Yeah. So that, that is that old stuff. Uh, I'm I'm a little bit excited for them.
I was a tile early adopter. The only problem is I could never figure out. What to put it on because I don't really like key chains and like, don't really lose my keys either. So I'm like, what do I need to track? And the best I've been able to come up with is, um, attaching it to things that might get stolen.
So like just throw one in my backpack in case I don't, I've never had my bag stolen. So even that feels kind of like silly, but I've heard it happen. I've heard stories from people where their being stolen. So yeah. I'm not going to become Batman either though and track them down. So I don't know. It'd be fun to watch.
I guess the bank run away. It's 
James: [00:39:04] a, I'll give you a few use cases. Yeah. There's a lot of smart things that they did. Well, one, it is super duper small. It is a Yuan chip. That is what is called. You are correct. It has NFC built in for loss mode apparently. And Bluetooth for proximity finding has a built-in speaker.
I'm assuming they're doing some. Something. Yep. So they can ding some stuff. And it is using the  coin cell battery, which is like you said, I have a whole pack of them on Amazon, you know, they last for one year. Uh, and yeah, it, um, apparently just last for one year and it's super duper good to go. It is, uh, about 25 bucks a piece you can buy one for 30 or four for a hundred.
That's what I was going to buy two for Heather and two for me, I, funnily enough, read the website and they said, you can put it on your bike. And I was like, Oh, that's easy. Maybe I will put it on my bike. Uh, um, because your 
Frank: [00:40:01] bike, a 
James: [00:40:02] lot of bikes get stolen often. 
Frank: [00:40:05] Yeah. But again, are you going to become Batman and go track it 
James: [00:40:08] down?
Yes, I will. Absolutely. My, my, my, my bike is worth much more. Well, one of my bikes is worth a few hundred dollars. The other bike is worth over a thousand dollars. So in custom built one of a kind for me. So that would be pretty cool. However, I don't know what you stick them on. That's the thing is, uh, because if someone's stealing my bike and this thing's dangling off the bag, rip it off and shove it that'd be discrete.
So I could put it, tach it somewhere underneath the seat, I guess. You know, um, what I want to do though, is I would love to, um, put it, so like, if it was a mystery, if there's a family share mode, that would be kind of cool because you could track, maybe you could put one on your car, like track your car.
Like someone seals your car. That'd be kind of cool your backpack, but like, it'd be cool if. If Heather could see some of my stuff, I don't know what the stuff would be yet, but like something, I don't know. I don't know if I need it. Like you're saying that's a hard part. It's like, I get it. But I'm like, do, am I actually ever going to try stuff?
Cause you know, the best feature of a Apple watch, Frank. Hmm. Is this ready? 
Frank: [00:41:25] Okay, fair enough. I mean your iPhone, right? So what are the things that I misplaced your way? So 
James: [00:41:32] you need to, you need to, you need to attach it to your eye or your Apple watch. At least my Apple watch shove it on the bottom of the Apple.
Frank: [00:41:40] You know what the actual answer to that was my Apple remote. That's what I actually lose the most. That's that thing just vanishes into thin air and it just occurred to me, Apple. Remote's not an air tag. So they just released could have been a synergy moment for Apple. Like that's what I actually lose, especially during the pandemic.
I'm not going outside, so I'm not losing anything. Um, yeah. Okay. So for theft, for sure. Um, probably anything you like bring to the beach and you might just miss place or something like that. I don't know. It could probably just attach to that. Um, probably hiking, stuff like that, you know? Uh, I don't know about you, but I've ever so often drop something accidentally.
I'm not lettering and just, you know, you lose it on a mountain. What are you going to do? Walk back up the mountain to go find it. Nope. That's nature's now the deer can have it. Yeah, they have. 
James: [00:42:33] I'm going to read you the examples that we have on the airtight webpage so that they have keys. That's the big thing is keys.
Everyone's going to have one on their keys, right? Backpack. You said backpack. Then when you look at the app, they have the app out on an iPhone se second generation, or maybe that's customized for me. Hold on a second. Frank, go to apple.com/air tag. Okay. And not the first image with Deborah's keys, but when you scroll down where it's like, Janina is keys and Janina is bike and Janina is umbrella on her.
Who's putting a tag on an umbrella. Um, 
Frank: [00:43:09] I got Deborah. The phone looks like a six. Yeah, I think you're right. Okay. 
James: [00:43:14] So they're trying to say, Hey, that's an iPhone se too, by the way. So, 
Frank: [00:43:17] uh, and then the one at the bottom is the iPhone 10, 11. Okay. 
James: [00:43:22] Depending on their, so keys. Okay. They have the keys umbrella.
That's an option if you want to put it in an umbrella. Um, and then as those, the only options that they say. Did you say you can share it with your friends and family? That's cool. I think that's it. So I don't know. I, again, I I'm, I love, I love them they're they did not invent these things. Cause you said, you know, you're an early adopter, but I've seen these everywhere.
Right? I liked of course, like the privacy part of it and all of the things that's randomization of the tokens and all the things. Um, I don't know. I don't know if I need one. I was going to buy one, but they won't be about 
Frank: [00:43:58] the only Bible. Yeah. Uh, the 23rd, I think you said when you start buying them, I also am going to buy them, but mostly to find out if I find them useful, I think that that's a pretty obvious one for theft, but at the same time, I just, you know, playing the whole scenario out.
What are you actually gonna do? If you have the thievery happen, happen? Um, I do like your idea of like putting it into the seatbelt because this is a radio device. So if you want to hide it and you probably do want to hide it, if you're doing the theft thing, um, you're going to want to put it by an insulator.
So like a plastic thing or something like that. So probably just get some, get some of that like super strong, double sticky tape, and really kind of, or just a proxy it in or something like that. And just glue it into your seat so that you can't just pop it off or something like that. Just, you know, use your super glue.
And once I got to thinking of that, I'm like, well, maybe I actually we'll just put one on my one. We'll just, you know, glue it onto the fender. And, you know, I might misplace it too, just because I never have misplaced. It doesn't mean I never will misplace it. So I'd probably be kicking myself if I did. And didn't have one of these on 
James: [00:45:12] it.
Yeah. I, you know, I think the keys is a good one because everyone that's like a normal use case, but I do think that, yeah, there's these things that. We really cherish that, you know, a $30 little device or $25 device. If, if we have it happens against one or we happen to misplace it or wait, you know what I mean?
There will be much, much more thankful that we, we pay a places, little device on it. Um, 
Frank: [00:45:36] so, and I I've just concluded 100%. I am super gluing one to the Apple remote. That's happening. There you 
James: [00:45:44] go. Well, talking about the Apple remote, let's get to the last product announcement, which is the upgraded Apple TV four K with an a 12 bionic chip with 4k high frame rate HDR for the TV that I do not have.
What's an 
Frank: [00:46:00] a, I've never heard of an, a 12. Where's the M A's are so old Eva. So 2019, come on, 
James: [00:46:08] come on, Apple. It does though. Frank heavy brand new remote control. Oh, 
Frank: [00:46:14] dandy does it. And I am excited for this because I have been using that Siri remote. It's funny because I actually have, um, an LDTV and I'm perfectly happy with the LG operating system on their web address.
It's perfectly fine, but there are just some apps that it doesn't have. And so I use my Apple TV for those. So I actually don't use the Apple TV that much, but when I do, I am cursing that remote the entire time. If I can find it, it's usually hidden in the couch and I have to go digging for it first. Uh, well, let's see.
So what did they improve? There's actually like a D pad. At the top instead of a touchscreen. That's nice. It seems that it actually has two different color tones. So you can distinguish the buttons from the rest of it turns out you can't really do that in the dark, on the current one. Um, it definitely has a top and a bottom that's nicely, you know, which if you're pointing it at the TV or pointing it at yourself, another problem with the current remote, my only tiny eating pizza complaint, and I don't actually know how those are going to play out.
They put a button on the side of it for goodness sake, Apple. Can we just have a remote that we can grip without worrying about accidentally stopping our program or having Siri come up and ask, you know, what the weather is? That's how it works. Right? Siri asks you what the weather is and 
James: [00:47:34] believes. So, Hey, what's the weather today in Seattle.
Love. Thanks Siri, Siri, 
Frank: [00:47:43] you know, I would love to give back someday to the echo family of products and Siri. It would be nice if they'd ask me some questions. Hm. Oh man. 
James: [00:47:52] Uh, yeah, the remote's great. I don't, I have, I use harmony, uh, logic tech harmony, although logic harmony recently discontinued by logic tech.
I 
Frank: [00:48:00] know people love that thing, don't they? It is 
James: [00:48:04] amazing. However, I don't know. There's a finite amount. There's people that I think as more things integrated into the television and there are less box attachments. There's that thing too. Um, I think as the devices that shipped with these TVs progressed, it was there, but you know, I have.
I have it to control my Blu-ray player to control my X-Box control, my Apple TV, which is via Bluetooth. So I have a, I have a nice logic tech army. It does all that stuff, right. It, it controls, I've already had a D pad on my forever. You know what I mean? And it works 
Frank: [00:48:44] really good. I know. Uh, so I'm, I'm, I'm at three remotes.
Are you truly at one remote? I have, I only 
James: [00:48:54] have one remote dude. Like one I was living in 
Frank: [00:48:56] the future. What is it like there 
James: [00:48:59] I've been living in this future for the last 15 years of my life. Ever since I stumbled upon the Logitech harmony. And they've only gotten better, like so much that, you know, the hub, you can control all of it from your phone too, but then also you can have these IRR blasters.
So let's say that you have a device that's inside of a entertainment closet, that it can't blast  you can get an IRR attachment that will relay the IRC signal. From the hub, you know, sits next to my TV through, you know, underneath into my closet. So it can communicate with my X-Box like, it's a brilliant, beautiful thing.
It's amazing. And the only continued it. And of course they discontinued it. I mean, these remotes aren't cheap, but at the same time, they're really, really great. And I've loved them, uh, in general and you can really customize them and things like that. The controller is great. The, the thing is that, uh, it's a lot, it's a lot for someone to, to spend on a remote, you're asking for hundreds of dollars, 150 or $200 for this, for this thing.
But it is well worth it because I've used this. I've only ever used two harmony remotes in my life. And they both lasted for, I don't know, um, seven years each the new one is, you know, rechargeable and things like that. The only time. I use the, I, uh, the Apple TV remote is when I forget to charge my Logitech remotes, I have to use a backup.
You know what I mean? So, um, which I despise the current ones. I'm really glad they upgraded it, but no, the logic harmony is like fantastic. I, I told my friend, Jesse, I sent him the article from the Virgin and gadget about the discontinuation were both very sad because I think he turned me on to it. And it's worked with every device I've ever owned.
You know, it even works with the Nintendo wi and saw, you know, stuff like that. It's like, it's just amazing. And it's very sad to see it go. And I believe that the Mac application uses Moonlight or something like that. This is, you know, the silverlight.net version. They may have upgraded it, but it did at one time, which was, which was awesome.
Now you can just program it all from your phone, but at the time you had to like plug it into your computer. But anyways, I digress about this remote, but anyways, remotes are important. That's what I'm saying is remotes are important. And, um, you know, this gets closer, but again, it's not, it's not doing everything for me because I'm not gonna, I'm not ever gonna go back to a multi, multi remote setup.
It just is too much for me to comprehend and switch. And I don't have room to put it one remote. So all you need, um, the best thing about this entire upgrade, which I don't know if I am going to get on my Apple TV or not, is the ability to calibrate the color tone, um, and balance with your iPhone. This is amazing.
Frank: [00:51:57] It's it's it's. Kind of insulting to the customer. They're like, look, the thing's going to produce better colors than we trust you to figure out on your TV with your crank, the brightness up and crank the contrast up. Uh, but it's cool. Uh, this is what I was alluding to earlier. I've been wanting a color correction tool all my life.
I've I used to work at a. A place where it was like someone's job and they would bring around a calibration device and like suction cup it to the monitor and keep adjusting your settings until it was calibrated to some absolute standard who knows what the standard was back then. So in this case, I think it's more, not so much exact RGB color correction, but trying to, uh, guarantee some HDR range.
If I was understanding it fully correctly too, which is nice and exciting for me because I'm rocking in old 10 ADP Apple TV, and I've had that attached to a 4k TV for awhile, which is capable. Um, more contrast than that signal is putting out. So I have been putting off buying a new Apple TV, so they kind of got me on this.
I've just been waiting for an upgrade. Uh, they, they could have changed the color and I would have bought it. So I'm just happy to be getting the new remote. I completely agree with you. And now I feel like I'm going to have to add that. Search for a universal remote to maybe my repertoire, but for now, I'll be happy just purchasing this thing by the way.
Uh, you can individually buy the remote control, the new remote control. If you are disgusted with your old Apple TV, but don't want to buy a new Apple TV, $60, you can buy remote, which is still a lot of money, but it's a little computer. So what can you do? 
James: [00:53:45] Yes, let me recommend the logic tech harmony elite.
It's only $380 still available. Highly, highly recommended. It's so good. Um, or you can get the nine 50. That's pretty much a lot closer to what I own. Um, you have to get it with a hub though. That's like two 50. I 
Frank: [00:54:03] think it's, it's not sound elite though. Uh, 
James: [00:54:07] No. Oh, I have the logic tag. I think the nine 50 was a replacement for the harmony ultimate.
That's what I had. I'm pretty sure they've changed their names of billions out, but the, the harmony elite is fan tastic and amazing because you can get all the Bluetooth and all the things, but I was, these remotes are so unbelievably good. I'm just, I'm just saying it just, it just it's. It's so good. And it works with, um, or works with Alexa and Google assistant and it works.
It works everywhere. It's so good. Anyways. Um, now I have an Apple TV 4k. I don't have a 4k TV. I have a tiny TV of the reverse of you. 
Um, 
Frank: [00:54:48] well, that's a waste, James. I know. 
James: [00:54:51] Um, but uh, I want to know if I'm going to get the new calibration thing on, on it though. You know what I mean? 
Frank: [00:55:00] Yeah. I was honestly a little bit confused if it was the kind of calibration that I was talking about where you're trying to match a specific gamut, or if it was, um, HDR kind of specific, they were a little confusing there.
Um, the biggest point, this was, um, a hardware upgrade. I'm trying to figure out whether there are any other software features that were kind of relevant. They do have what, two models, the 32 gig and a 64 gig. I don't know if anyone is using their Apple TV for gaming though. So I imagine everyone would just get the, uh, 30 well memory one.
Yeah, 
James: [00:55:39] no I'm looking and I don't think others are, there is one. I don't, I don't know if this is new in it, but it does say multi-year user support. 
Frank: [00:55:49] Oh, okay. That's interesting. I I'm sorry. And I just saw here. It also does have. This is new to me. Also, the thread protocol. Are you aware of this? No, this is it's.
I don't know if it's an open standard or not, but it's a home IOT thing. So it's a IOT communicating with each other thing. So this thing will be, um, a hub for these thread devices. Problem is, I don't know what thread is. Um, all my, all my stuff is, uh, what is my stuff? Um, let's see. What are the other protocols?
Zippy is one. I have Z-Wave though. My stuff is Z-Wave. So thread, I don't know if that's Apple specific home kids stuff, or if it's an actual standard, but you get thread, you get Bluetooth 5.0, um, yeah, you know, HTMI 2.1, wifi six. Why fi six boy, do I need to upgrade my routers again? Keep updating that version.
James: [00:56:54] Internet's not fast enough for it to matter, so, okay.
That's my problem 
Frank: [00:57:02] does have the gigabit ethernet, so you don't have to pay for the upgraded model to get gigabit on this cheap little device, which is a little odd, huh? That you have to pay for the upgrade to get it on the iMac. 
James: [00:57:14] Yeah, they, they are going to, if you do not want the 4k version, so I'll get the Apple TV HD, and they are upgrading that, uh, not doing them one chip, but with the new remote, with the new Siri remote.
So you can get that. So there you go. 
Frank: [00:57:32] Oh, I finally figured out what I was thinking of with the new hardware. So now they're able to do like 4k video at 60 frames per second, CR. But literally the only media that you can get for that is going to come off of your iPhone. So basically you play iPhone videos at that quality level and nothing else.
James: [00:57:52] And yeah, I mean, at least this is more of a future-proofing when I looked at my X-Box and you know, it's doing this, the series us, or the series X or the PlayStation five, you like can't even really get TVs that really have the 2.1 done correctly. And th they have there's things that are out there, but to get the ones that actually do the variable refresh rate for gaming, you know, you're up in the, the top ones, you got to wait a few years, but if you were to buy one of these cars, you're only gonna buy an Apple TV once every, until they stop upgrading the iOS.
Because, you know, unless it's like for you, right. You're like, you're totally fine with 10 80 P content, because probably your TV is doing AI, AI, M L learning to upgrade that to an ADP to 4k. Right. And. And, uh, it probably looks pretty decent, uh, overall. I mean, this'll be a good upgrade for you when you get it, which I'm sure you will.
Um, in the, the, of course the available second half of may, whenever that is by the way. So sometime, yeah, and 
Frank: [00:58:56] it all comes down to the stream quality. You can ship 4k video at a terrible compression rate and it comes down basically is 10 80. Is that 4k? Is it really? So I don't really believe any of this stuff, like, unless I'm uploading a 4k video to it, I'm not really looking at the pixels.
I just noticed one thing. Uh, system requirements requires HTMI cable sold separately. Oh, come on Apple. Put that cable in 
James: [00:59:25] there. They would give you a nice cable to cause also the thing, you know, my monitor that I bought came with a. HTMI cable and it came with a display port cable. And they said, in fact, if you don't use the cable provided, it says, please use the cable provided because it has 2.1 in it.
And it's like, cause, cause that's the thing is you could get this TV and just have a spare HTMI cable sitting around. And guess what? Now it's only going to give you 10 ADP or, you know, not, not 4k at the whatever, because it's not the right cable. It's crazy. 
Frank: [00:59:57] Yeah. And that applies to the thunder boat, funder bolt, port on the iPad.
Also those are fairly specific cables. You can tell them because they don't flex very well. And they're all very short because it's a crazy protocol 
James: [01:00:11] going down. Yeah. I'll tell you this much. I almost don't want to stream 4k because we've obviously been working from home, Heather and I and having so many more meetings.
And I didn't know that my ISP, uh, set a cap of 750 gigs per month. Let me tell you Frank. We've gotten up to 98% of our threshold one of the months. 
Frank: [01:00:36] Well, no kidding. I'm a single person. And I got up to the two gig for the first time during the pandemic. That's my cap, the two terabytes. Uh, sorry. Thank you.
Um, I can't, I don't know how I did that, but I did that and it's not even pirating. Are you that like, was that all Netflix? I feel really bad for whatever I was doing that month, but so I can totally believe you burning through that with two people. 
James: [01:01:00] Awesome. I'll tell you. And we don't, we do stream everything is streaming, right?
And we, we, we watch some stuff, but I do a lot of uploading I'm uploading huge files to YouTube. So like here's the thing I edit files. If you do any file editing you're and you're backing it up. It's crazy to think about, because let's say I take a video from my iPhone and a bunch of other videos and I put it onto a YouTube clip.
Okay. Well, those are several new. These iPhones are ginormous where I'm taking clips from, from, from, uh, OBS, we're talking, you know, hundreds of mags there, those get uploaded to my one drive. Then I create my editing file, which is relatively big. And then I do an export and that uploads to one drive. Then I upload it to, you know, to YouTube.
So in doing one video, that could be five to 10 gigs of data between uploading down, because you remember, if I took video on my iPhone, I got to then upload that on to my Google photos and then download it. You know what I mean? Like there's a lot of cylindrical. Between devices in my house going on there, um, to make it easier for me.
But yeah. Uh, so if I do ever go over, I will have to upgrade our plan to the upgraded internet, which gives us one terabyte, but I'm like, come on. So not happy about it. 
Frank: [01:02:28] Yeah. And I'm even curious, like, um, I've looked through setting sometimes, but I can't even think probably a Netflix or something. You can disable HD or something like that, but it'd be sad to have to do that.
Cause I remember I used to be so jealous of your old internet because you used to get the, a gigabit 
James: [01:02:46] or something. Yeah, I did. And the old, old apartment to two apartments ago. Yeah. Oh, I 
Frank: [01:02:52] was so jealous of that. I've never had that kind of bandwidth before in my life. I dream of it. One of these days, 
James: [01:02:59] one gig down, one gig up on unlimited everything.
Gross. And it was beautiful and gross. It was the same price of what I'm paying for right now. Of course. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah, that checks out anyways. This is our podcast. So what did you think of the event? One hour, they spent an hour, Frank. We spent an hour. We did it. 
Frank: [01:03:20] How do we do that? Every time?
I'm always like, you know what? Simple event, four or five products. We'll get through it in 30 minutes and we always take an hour. So thank you, everyone. Bless your hearts for listening to us for an hour. 
James: [01:03:32] I don't, I don't know how bad I appreciate it. I will let you let us know what you thought, the event, and if you bought anything, we're real excited to hear, go to merge conflict at FM, there's a discord channel.
There's a Twitter account. There's all the things. There's an email button. You can do whatever you want and hit us up and let us know what you think of these new Apple products. Or if you're like, Hey. I skipped all these and I went and bought this thing or about this other thing. Let us know what you're super excited for, but going, gonna do it for this week's merge conflicts.
And until next time I'm James Montana. 
Frank: [01:04:00] I'm Frank. Thanks. 
James: [01:04:03] Peace.