mergeconflict376 === [00:00:00] James: Welcome back everyone to another Merge Conflict. Before we get into this action packed, Apple filled podcast, let's take a quick break to thank our amazing sponsor this week, Syncfusion. Yes, that's right. Syncfusion, the same company, you know, and love that we've been talking to you about for about 17 billion years, because they make amazing components for. Every single application on the planet, charts, graphs, combine boards, whatever you want, effects, little things that light up your application that make it look beautiful. Syncfusion has it. No matter if you're developing web apps, desktop apps, mobile apps, cross platform apps with any framework, any language they have, you. Covered. I use them personally in all of my applications. And I know that you will simply love them. Head to Syncfusion. com forward slash merge conflict to learn more about all of the amazing controls and productivity tools that they'll give you, including like Excel, word processing, PDF processing, and so much more Syncfusion. com forward slash merge conflict to Syncfusion for sponsoring this week's pod. All right, Frank, listen, listen, before we get into the Apple event, I got to do a quick shout out quick shout out. [00:01:05] Frank: Oh. Okay, I love shoutouts. Follow up or shoutout? Who's the shoutout to? This is a [00:01:10] James: shout out to the entire NET team because NET 8 RC1 is out baby! Bap bap bap [00:01:17] Frank: bap bap! Ohhhhhhhhh. I missed that announcement darn it. Okay, well, that's good. That means we're out of preview 30 or whatever. I got tired of the previews after a while so. For, for previews, I do NET 9. Haha. But, um, that's great. Uh, excited for ARC. I still gotta play around with some of the, uh, native AOT stuff on the Mac. [00:01:42] James: Macintosh. Yeah. There was a whole bunch of new things, I think, for iOS even announced too. But head over to the, the NET blog to learn more about that. Uh, I know the new version of Visual Studio will be out by the time this podcast out. That's how I'm getting and acquiring my versions of NET. I'm actually on RC2 already. Cause again, like Frank, we like to live precariously through downloading random installers on the internet. Get those hot bits. But anyways, it's out. It's got a go live license, which is very exciting, which means that pretty much it's supported in the box, out of the box, whatever it is, but I'm basically retargeting everything to NET 8. I'm super excited about it. I'll be doing some live streams upcoming on my YouTube, youtube. com for a slash James Montemagno. Uh, and I'm sure Frank will be playing around with it on his Twitch, twitch. tv forward slash Frank Krueger. All right, Frank, let's get into it. I talked about it on our Patreon, uh, exclusive podcast, which you can find at patreon. com forward slash EmergeConflict. FM or in the show notes for if you want exclusive bonus content. I listen to a bunch of podcasts, Frank, and all they do for the first five minutes of their podcast is shout out about the bonus stuff, blah, blah, blah. And we don't do that enough. We hardly ever. So anyways, if you want to support the show. Patreon. com, 4sessionmerchconflict. com, Frank gets half of that. Did you know that Frank gets half of that money? I haven't paid him in three years, but he gets half of that money. It's accruing. Yeah. [00:03:07] Frank: I assume if I hired a lawyer or someone to go bust your knees, I could get some money, but it's cool, man. I, I, I, theoretical money is just as good as real money. [00:03:17] James: It may pay for one Apple watch ultra, two, perhaps, I'm just saying. Uh, anyways, you can find inclusive content over there. Let's get into it. Uh, by first going by favorite feature of the entire, of anything, anything, anything in the entire one and 28 minute breakdown. I have two favorite features. One, I cried in the very beginning. That's my favorite feature. Apple tearjerkers. Second favorite feature. You're not going to believe this, Frank, plugging an external hard drive into your iPhone as you record a video that is saved onto the external drive. I'll never use this feature, but it is the coolest freaking thing. That I ever thought about and it's out there and they did a great video. It's kind of cheesy actually, but they did a great video explaining the entire feature. That is my number one feature. I think that I saw them demo of the entire iPhone Apple watch event. What about [00:04:14] Frank: you? Interesting. Interesting. Um, we should talk about that more, but I want to say mine before I forget, you know how there's like, um, there's a feature I like, but I'm a little embarrassed about, and then there's a feature I hate because I got a little bit Sherlocked. on this one. And so I have a nemesis feature, but you know how, because it's a nemesis, you kind of like it too, because I'm being Sherlocked that it's obviously something I'm into. So which one should I say? I'm going to go with USB C. I'm going to stick with boring, everyone. USB C is here for the iPhone. It's actually kind of exciting because it sounds like they're actually putting a real USB controller in there. There was always like, you know, iPhone could. Read a few devices. It could act like a host. It could act like a little, um, I forget what the other one's called. Peripheral or something like that. Um, but now with the USB C, I guess Europe is making them put a USB C in there and, uh, they're, they're, they're throwing in other good hardware to go with it. So I'm actually going to say the USB C in the iPhone. Now, is it enough to make me buy a new iPhone? We'll save that for the end. [00:05:26] James: Well, no, I think that's a great point too, because Heather and I were recently on holiday and we had this conundrum, which was like, we had Android phones for a remote, we'll use it for data, um, with the eSIMs just cause we kind of like to separate iMessage and stuff, it kind of, iMessage gets funky with eSIMs and trying to get it working on eSIMs. It works fine, but you just kind of have to know what to do. So we just like separate phone for data and then we'll just keep our iMessage all aligned on wifi. But what we had is we each had our iPhone, we each had an Android phone, but then also Heather had her iPad, which was USB C, but then we had like, our, our iPhones, which are lightning, and then we had our Android phones that were USB C, and I'm like, what a weird, and then we also had our, we had our Apple, our Apple watches, uh, which are also just like normal USB, and like, we just had Dongle City. I'm like, this is such a weird, a weird... Conundrum, even between Apple devices and Google devices, like, I am ready for the great convergence, Frank. It's happening. [00:06:24] Frank: Yeah, and I'm sure it won't last forever, but I bet you we'll have like a good five, maybe ten years of everyone just having USB C everywhere. My car has USB C, so please let's not have USB D. We just, we don't need it. We don't need it. USB people. Um, I'm excited because it's just a better connector, obviously. Yeah. And yeah, the dongle city is terrible. I did learn one cool thing. Uh, your little watch charger can also charge your AirPods. It just snaps on. And yeah, so you only have to carry one charger for those. I USB C one though. Uh, they charge faster. They have like quick charger. And you can click charge. Very cool. Well, I'm sorry. Probably not your watch. But you know, other people's watches could probably quick charge. [00:07:16] James: Well, one thing also, I don't know how this feature Sherlocked you, by the way, but I will say that Apple actually did. Officially Sherlock me 100 percent by the way, which was they announced previously that like the iPad could like connect to a different or iOS 17 connect to different Bluetooth devices. Now the watch can, the Apple watch series nine, it can connect to cadence sensors, and when you connect to a cadence sensor and start a workout, it will automatically display on your iPhone or your iPad automatically, which. is exactly what my application does. And I know it's going to be a nice pop over or dynamic island. It's going to be beautiful. I'm very excited, which to me, I was telling Heather, I said, this is the not the first time, but it is basically the time that I think. We should buy new watches. Now we have a series three, um, which we didn't get that long ago, maybe three years ago or so. So it's not that old, but it was like when they were still selling the series three, but the six had come out or five had come out and they're like, Oh, you should probably buy the new one. I think fault detection was just announced. And I was like, I don't know if it warrants the price. We got these for like a hundred bucks and they've gone for three, three and a half years, and that's been really good. However, now I feel like I am missing some of the important features from that video, the video that they started the entire, uh, thing out with, which I think you paid less attention with a two. I cried twice today. Uh, Heather cried. We're stories. They're deep. Apple knows how to connect with people. And at the end of the video, which was real life stories about how Apple devices save people's lives, which, you know, there's plenty of devices that saves people's lives, but they just know how to tell a story. And I'm a sucker for a and it's an emotional bond for me. And I need to go buy every single new Apple device ever right now, because it's going to save my life now. Not because of that, but also because on my Apple watch, there's a big, here's the real story, there's a huge gaping hole in my Apple watch, because I literally took a fall on my bicycle, which I probably told on this podcast before, and I busted open my chin and there was no fall detection. There was no contact and emergency. There's no anything because the series three. Series 9, I think, finally, I'm like, I think I can go in for the, whatever, 400 and just, I should just buy it, basically, and just get everything, the heart rate stuff. I'm getting older. I'm not getting any younger, Frank. I'm not getting any younger, I should just go all in and just buy it. [00:09:45] Frank: Series 9, baby. Well, I, I, I think you should go Series 9 just to get that iPhone detector radar thing. Yeah, you need like the new chip so you can actually it's like find my phone, but closer. It can be farther away and it actually works. I don't, um, you know, the trick with all that kind of stuff is let's take fall detection. Let's actually talk about it. Um, the iPhone does it also. And so it's tricky. Like, do you exercise with your phone or with your watch or things like that? Um, I always have my phone on me so I can pretty much rely on that for if anything really terrible happens to me. I'm kind of clumsy. I fall over all the time anyway. So, um, we'll see. Like, uh, I, I'm a little, like, I'd be afraid of it on the watch, even though I think my watch might have it. But like, it, Pops up the emergency thing and you have to dismiss it pretty quickly or else it will call emergency services. I've actually, I've butt dialed the police a few times with my phone and I always felt terrible about it. But yeah, I, I would say it's definitely a good upgrade from the three. I was always shocked that you got the three at the time that you got the three. And so I would say it's going to be a big, um, Big upgrade for you, but are you willing to spend more than a hundred dollars for a watch? [00:11:07] James: Yeah, I think so. I think it's fine in general that I want, I want when I bought the three, it wasn't the most modern. It wasn't the best and the latest, which meant that. I was buying it at a reduced price to see, do I even want an Apple watch? I never had an Apple watch. I don't even wear a watch. I don't even, neither of us wear a watch. Well, should we even wear a watch? Will it be useful? And it was a good trial experiment to say, Oh, I actually do like this device. I like tracking the workouts. I think that this gets me motivated. Now it's three years later. It's like, Oh, okay. Let me invest in something that will last me. Hopefully four to five years. [00:11:44] Frank: Okay. I think it will. The nine for sure. I mean, mine is a six and it's already lasted almost that. [00:11:54] James: Almost three years. Yeah. So you're good. So like, that's the question. It's like, will you get the 10 or the 11 or whatever it is? That'd be there. Now the cool part is this also has the double tap, double click. Double tap. [00:12:04] Frank: Double tap. With the neural engine, four cores of neural engine to double tap. They're gonna check, check your heart rate, your blood flow, your position, your, uh, the moon phase, and then you're gonna double tap. I'm a little worried. I've written, uh, watch apps and they're like, it does what the main button in the app does. I'm like, how do you designate what the main button in an app is? I'm just like, I guess the apps I always write are Too complicated or have too many buttons, but I never have a single button app. But if you have a single button app, you gotta, you gotta look to make sure you're supporting double tap. [00:12:40] James: Yeah, I like it. My thought on the series nine is if you, the series, whatever is working for you is totally fine, and that this is just a new version. It you know, if you, if you want to get in, you can get the latest one and you get the older one. To me, it's, there's nothing in the series nine and that's like, I want to get it because of this. I think it's because, oh, there's now six years in between mine and the other one, that there's a bunch of features that are in the box now that I'm like, oh, this makes sense for us to get, um, I do like the cadence sensor built in, I think that's cool, but like it's still just a watch. It looks like my watch is probably a little bit bigger than my watch, but I was. Talking to Fritz earlier on our one on one, and I said, we were talking about this watch and I said, I think that I will use this watch exactly how I use the current watch, which is three things. Three things, Frank. One, what time is it? Two, start a workout. Three. What time does a Sunset tonight , because it's got, I got that watch face that gives you the, yeah, the, the, the, the twilight daylight thing. And you can use the, the Crown. That's my favorite watch face. But my watch face is generic. If you're watching it on the YouTubes, it's just the fitness oneand. It's like, that's all I care about. That's all I care about on my watch. I don't use mm-hmm. , any app. Maybe a timer. On occasion to make coffee, but everything else, it doesn't matter. I just wanna use it as a watch and a workout device and, oh, hopefully it saves my life. [00:14:08] Frank: But if you get the new one, we could be walkie talkie buddies. We could walkie talkie each other. I could walkie talkie you right now. Can you? I mean, it works 1 percent of the time, but that's one of the features I'm always a little sad about. Yeah, it's tricky. Like, I don't see a big upgrade path for me. Um, from the six, because they are mostly incremental improvements. I have most of the nice, fancy, fun features and all that kind of stuff. Um, but for you, a hundred percent go for it. Now that ultra too, I think you should get the ultra too though, James, just. Just sayin Uh, I, I, I actually really love the Ultra. It's a little bit big, but, um, A little? You're gonna splurge and you have giant arms. Get [00:14:53] James: that Ultra. Um, yeah, okay. Well, here's, here's my final thing here. Um, on The watch. Yeah, I agree that like, it's not a momentous upgrade. I think the same for you is like totally fine. I've seen people with the Ultra. It's a very big watch. I am not out in the wilderness with, in hiking crazy mountains overnight. Like that's not anything that I want to do ever in my life. Um, if you are a person, Then I think the Ultra is great. Uh, I don't really know what the difference between the Ultra and the Ultra 2 is. Did they really say? I guess it's like better? It's [00:15:31] Frank: better. Yeah, honestly, I'm trying to review in my head because without like reading off the material from Apple here, I'm sure the screen got brighter. They were talking a lot about NITs. NITs? From 1 NIT to 8 billion NITs. So many NITs. But gosh, darn it. If I don't remember one other feature [00:15:50] James: change. They spent very little time on the Ultra 2 and very little time on the SE, which also got upgraded as well. So you just reminded [00:16:01] Frank: me. I, I, I totally forgot. You were asking, what's my favorite part of the whole show? Let me tell you what my favorite part of the whole show is. It's when they talked about Mac and they're like, remember Mac? We have a laptop and we have a computer. Go get them, they're good. Anyway, moving on. I love the Mac section, it was hilarious. Why did they even do it? They don't even normally, I don't, now I have to review past September, uh, things. Why? Why, why mention it? But they did also remind us that the Vision Pro also exists and developers should be working on it because developers are getting into labs that I can't get into, other developers. Uh, but I, I thought that was funny, just mentioning like, I, they must have spent more time on the Ultra 2 than on Mac, but the Mac part was hilarious. Just cause I remember [00:16:51] James: Mac. I do remember that. Well, Tim was like, before we get to the new stuff, let me remind you that we make another device. It's called a personal computer and you can get it and you can put it in your lap. And people say, people have said, it's great. It's the best 15 inch laptop ever. It's the best. [00:17:11] Frank: It may not save your life. But, it may make you cry during the Mother Nature video. I hope you didn't cry during the Mother Nature [00:17:20] James: video. I, I, you know, I appreciate everything Apple's doing and big tech companies are doing in the carbon neutral, carbon negative movements and, and doing for our environment. Our environment's crap and we're not, we're, it's all bad stuff, right? And I think it's actually, Heather and I were talking about it tonight. It's actually great that these devices are lasting longer than ever before. Right. Because it's like, you know, all this e waste and all this other stuff. No, Apple is great, you know, recycling programs, which you do, but nothing can be 100 percent recycled and most plastic is not recycled anyways. Not that devices are made of plastic, but you know what I mean? But I thought that the skit, um, I think Miguel loved it. Miguel. Uh, on Twitter, at least. I don't know, maybe he's being facetious, but I was like, nah, I could do with less of this. I don't know. I can't, you know, I just, uh, I could do with less of this skit, you know, y'all having fun, but, uh, I thought, I thought this stuff that they were saying was great, like Apple's doing all this great stuff, maybe that's the only way to connect to people. But I was like, eh, I could do with about 10 minutes less of this. Just saying. Yeah. [00:18:22] Frank: Um, I, I thought it was okay at 2x. It was okay. It was tolerable. But, um, there were long, awkward silences even at 2x. So I had to imagine what those were like at 1x. Um, Apple's a big company doing manufacturing, like a lot of their suppliers, like they only mentioned their suppliers in one part. Like, yay, Apple, you have a fancy office building and it's technically carbon neutral because he planted some trees. Great. Yeah. But, like, your suppliers are building these things, assembly is taking time, so. They say really big numbers, I honestly don't know whether to be impressed or not. They certainly seem impressed with themselves, and comparing themselves to other people in the industry, they seem impressed with themselves, but, um, I can't judge. I, um, uh, I, I just... The numbers don't mean anything. Even when like, uh, Mother Nature said 83 million and they're like, no, 83 billion or whatever the number was. I'm like, doesn't mean anything to me. I don't know if it's a million or a billion. Um, so I think if Apple does want to keep complimenting themselves, they have to make it a little more clear what any of these numbers mean. And compare themselves, like say, what does a chip cost in trees? [00:19:40] James: Well, if you're interested, you can download the 114 page environmental progress report from Apple, um, which is on the apple. com forward slash I take it [00:19:53] Frank: back, James. I will watch this get any time instead of reading a hundred page PDF. 114. [00:20:00] James: Please, please [00:20:01] Frank: do all comedy skits. Thank you, Apple. I didn't mean to critique that [00:20:06] James: at all. Uh, yes. You know, one thing, the shout out that I think was really good is that, that to me, the standout, at least that I took was that they're shipping less things by planes, so that's really good. It's better for the environment and they're also no longer using leather. Which is also good too. They're using non leathery things. Uh, I don't need cow on the back of my phone, but I don't need leather. I don't need leather. It's fine. So that's good. So those are the two things I like stood out. [00:20:34] Frank: Yeah. The, the container ship has to be crazy math though, cause container ships are huge polluters. So that's, that's some kind of aggregate math they're doing there anyway. Yeah. Good Apple. [00:20:48] James: Well, that's why you can, you can't even pre order an iPhone at the time that we're recording, by the time this is out, you can, they're like, Oh, you can't, you can't even pre order it yet because it's on a boat. It's not a thing with boats. They take a long time. If you get on a plane, it takes, it's much more expensive, by the way, to get on a plane. See, what I wish they would [00:21:05] Frank: do, they should announce like a blimp or something. Like a blimp would be efficient and it would be faster. Yeah. Oh, it doesn't have to be hydrogen. Could be though. [00:21:18] James: What is the Goodyear blimp made out of? Is it, is it hydrogen? I guess it's a hydrogen. I don't [00:21:23] Frank: want to talk out of turn, but I mean, all the good blimps and zeppelins were hydrogen. Why wouldn't they be hydrogen? You need something lighter than air. That's they don't explode. If you light them on fire, [00:21:35] James: don't do this. What do you put in balloons? Hydrogen, right? Well, helium, if you [00:21:40] Frank: want like a little helium balloon, but helium is extraordinarily expensive and that's why we don't make helium blimps. Usually, I don't know. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not all up to date on my blimp business, but, uh, you know, they're vaguely safe. Just don't, just don't use flammable paint. Don't light a cigarette around them. [00:22:06] James: I don't know. Yeah, let's not do that. All right. iPhone 15. Let's get into it. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Which one are you buying? Oh, I'm not [00:22:17] Frank: buying any of them, but if I were to buy one, I would get the titanium because of course I want titanium. Where do you think the titanium comes from? We're all talking about, we're talking about sourcing today. James sourcing titanium comes from like Russia. Where else can you buy titanium? [00:22:35] James: I'm sure it comes from other places in the ground and from space too. I mean, cause you put it in space, it's got to come from space as well. [00:22:43] Frank: It's not quite how all that works, but sure. Earth has plenty of stuff. It just all fell to the bottom of it and we can't get to it. Um, anyway, uh, the Titanium Pro looks gorgeous. Uh, Hey, you know, this is a fun opportunity to tell you about a mistake I made while programming. I, uh, was designing an app. And I was doing all my testing on an iPad Pro, and the app was running great, James. And then I'm like, you know what? Before I send this out to beta testers, I should make sure it's working okay on my phone. And I put it on my phone, and it's running at half the speed. Of what it was looking at on the iPad Pro. I'm like, Oh, I totally forgot how fast iPad Pros are. It's like a little laptop chip in there. And like, um, the iPhone is fast, but it turns out, um, it's not quite as fast as the iPad Pro. And one of the parts that was actually slow was the neural engine. And so I appreciated what they announced for the new iPhone is that the neural engine is 25 percent faster. And that's a pretty big deal. 25 percent is a lot of percents. It's still not the 50 percent that I lost going from the iPad Pro to the iPhone, but hey, I'm going to take that 25 percent and that'll be good for all the, uh, consumers who get it because everyone's just putting everything into a neural network anyway these days. You're going to want that neural engine. [00:24:13] James: I agree, 100%. Uh, yes, I think that the. iPhone 15. So it's really interesting that iPhone 15, iPhone 15 plus, which is the bigger one than iPhone 15 pro and pro max. Now, pretty much for all intents and purposes, the iPhone 15 and 15 plus, uh, still only have two cameras, but they get a lot of features from the iPhone 14 pro like the dynamic island, like some, um, you know, increased. 48 MegaPixel camera. They get more focal point. They get telephoto, all sorts of good stuff. [00:24:48] Frank: Right? I hate talking about the camera, but we have to talk about that one real quick. Um, 48 Megapixels. Ridiculous. I remember when Nokia did it years ago. Um, They did announce one interesting thing, like, uh, they're definitely splitting the color and the luminance, uh, sensors. And the luminance is only going to be measured at one quarter of that scale. And then they're going to be using the, uh, color sensor to enhance the photo. So they're doing, uh, fun, tricky photo, um, computational photography. stuff with it. Um, but they also announced that they're somehow going to fit that into a small file size, because if you do the math, 48 megapixels cost a lot of megabytes. And, uh, I'm, I'm, I'm excited to see what they're going to do with their Heeker Heef format to store these files. I'm sure it's [00:25:40] James: going to be interesting. They did specifically say that too. They're like, oh, just so you know, like these files will be shareable with your friends and family. We swear, you're like, oh, burry apple. Um. You know, this gets the A16 bionic chip, which is also great. Obviously it gets the 2x optical zoom. It does get the emergency SOS via satellite, the crash detection. One of the major features that they announced for all the new phones is the roadside assistance via satellite, which I actually thought was very cool. So if you're out and about and you have AAA or you sign up for a package, they will automatically just. Disperse a roadside assistance to you when you're out in the middle of nowhere. And that's actually pretty, you know, pretty great if you're doing cross. Cross country, um, drives. But additionally, if you're living in the Pacific Northwest, like me and Frank, we often cross through the Cascades and through the Cascades, there is zero reception. Now that being said, one thing I will say is that the USB C that is available on the iPhone 15 and the 15 plus only supports USB. Two, not USB three. Okay. So it's [00:26:53] Frank: okay. Who, who plugs in their phone for data [00:26:58] James: anymore? That's true. [00:27:00] Frank: Yeah. Ever. That's true. It's a power [00:27:02] James: plug. It's a power plug. That's true. Well then... Yeah, that's true. Okay, [00:27:07] Frank: so we transfer it when we upload apps, so I mean, we could probably benefit from some USB 3. 0 action over there, but USB 2. 0 seems fast enough for transferring apps and things like that. Yeah. Sometimes a random [00:27:20] James: file. But for all intents and purposes... Purposes like, you know, there's some features that it doesn't have. Like it has wifi six, not six E, you know, it has, um, it doesn't have thread networking built in. If we're just talking about wifi, crazy devices, it doesn't have, um, I guess it has most other things, but it's got most of the things, right. It's got most of the things in there. In general, I will say that I think that the glass looks really, it's like a color infused glass that they did. So that to me reminds me of like a really high end like Nordic design, you know, glass company or something like that, like blown glass where it's like infused with color. So it's cool. And it's a really nice device, but honestly, you're not going to, you're not going to, why would you buy it? For 7. 99 with, for 200 more, you can get the Pro. You might as well get the Pro. [00:28:15] Frank: I mean, 200 here. I, if the fewer lenses, honestly, I don't need three lenses on my stupid phone as much as I love the depth and all that. [00:28:25] James: No, you need the 3X or 5X. And additionally, you need an action button. Frank, you need an action. Button into button, that's an action, it's programmable, action [00:28:42] Frank: button, you need it. so we got a new hardware button on the side and it can do one thing and one thing only. Actually, as developers, we should look into that because I am curious, um. If any app can register to, uh, receive, uh, notifications from that button, that'd be good. That'd be cool. I'd like to set my apps up as button apps. Uh, can I tell you about the feature I feel like I got Sherlocked on? Even though I technically didn't. Okay. Uh, so I didn't get Sherlocked because I have yet to release the app that I've been working hard on that, um, does the feature that they're doing. Did you catch their mention of. Spatial video with the new iPhone. Uh, no, I did not. No, he did not. Oh, so iPhones for a while now with their 8 billion cameras and their depth things and all that are able to take depth maps along with, um. The image that they're taking, the color image that they're taking. And they do that for like portrait effects and changing where the, uh, focal point is and things like that. Fun features, fun, fun features. Uh, well, they're going to start doing that with video. That'll be fun, because in Vision OS, you can then render that video in 3D, and the person will feel like you're right there in the photograph. Well, I've been working on the exact same app, except mine doesn't rely on, um, the data coming from the camera itself. It uses a neural network to figure out the depth data, uh, just from the image. So it's a little less reliable, but it works for any video or any image, and I didn't have the clever idea of calling it a spatial video. [00:30:34] James: Spatial video. I like that. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I didn't catch that one in general. I think that I'll have to go back and watch that. I think the things that I was more drawn into, obviously it was the USB C stuff, but additionally, like there really is a tiny titanium build, right? It's all there in the A17 Pro. Ray tracing. I don't know if you, if you've heard about ray tracing, Frank, it's a, it's a feature and they have it now on the iPhone. Now the thing that I, I believe is the most important feature of the iPhone 15 pro, which is only available on the pro max is the 5X optical zoom option, which means I will not be buying an iPhone 15 because the pro max is too big of a device. I don't want that in my life. And as we know, Frank. Heather gets a new phone every three years and I get her three year old device. So, which means that by the time she upgrades, my phone is six years old. So that's like a good thing, but I will, I'm assuming next year with the iPhone 16, the non max version will get the 5X and then the. Pro Max will get a 7x or whatever optical zoom option in general. I was like, when's my iPhone going to replace my, you know, Canon, you know, with my, my lens on it that I have. I [00:31:49] Frank: still don't know exactly where they're fitting all these lenses because like, okay, 7, 2x fine, 3x, maybe 5x where's all the glass going. There's glass involved to make all that work. I've got some, uh, nice glass manufacturing over there at Apple. So good on them. Um, yeah, I, I, I can't carry, I can't carry a Max around or a Plus. I don't want a Plus or a Max. I want the Mini back. Mini. Tiny, tiny phone. Whatever [00:32:21] James: iPhone Mini? It's like it was here one day and gone the next. [00:32:26] Frank: I think maybe just every five years we'll get a small phone when Tim Apple is feeling generous. [00:32:32] James: Yeah, um, anyway, I mean, I think the Pro is a good, there's some features, Pro features, you got some stuff, it's outer space. Well, the [00:32:44] Frank: one thing that they mentioned with the titanium that I felt was a little interesting was that they said repair was more easy? Less difficult? How do you phrase that? Less glass. [00:32:56] James: Less glass. [00:32:57] Frank: Yeah, well they also said something about the layout too, so I'm curious, um, I really can't wait to see some, um, iFixit teardowns and things like that of it. Yeah. I'd like to see how the... If the titanium one differs from the other 15s or if it's 15 versus like 14, I'd like to see that. [00:33:17] James: Yeah, that'd be nice to know how that teardown actually works in general. I mean, it does make some sense because I always feel like glass. is scary to take apart, just in general. So if there's no glass, then that could be better, uh, for the teardown in general. Uh, how would you rate this event, Frank? [00:33:42] Frank: I'd give it a B It's a, it's a standard Apple event. They had their drone shots. Everything was an incremental upgrade, um, Mac was no upgrade. Reminded us Vision exists. And then it was, uh, incremental upgrades, I would say. I mean, the phone's looking good. The phone's in good shape. Um, I, I did immediately text my friend because I was a little bit late to the show. I forgot it was happening at 10 a. m. And I was like, Oh, please tell me that there's a second screen on the iPhone or a solar panel recharger on the back. And we didn't get either of those. So, you know, It's just another incremental year. One of these days, the iPhone will [00:34:25] James: improve. You know, I was, when I was talking to Fritz, I said, I think that phones in general are kind of like an every three year device. Hopefully watches are every four to five years, and that's okay. We talked about it earlier in the pod. I think that's okay. You know, there are some people that will buy it every single year, no matter what. They just want the latest and greatest, and that's totally fine too. Then it used to be like, Oh, every other year. Right. Cause you have the S year and the non S year and you were either on the S or the non S. And then after that, now I think the Apple's kind of expecting every three year and you know, I listened to a lot of the MSNBC people like, Oh, well, it doesn't that people don't upgrade and this and that. It's like. You have mass, you know, you have mass when you have mass. It's like, it doesn't matter if only 50 percent of the people are upgrading compared to like before if 80 percent were, but it's the same number, it's still the same, you know, dollar amount at the end of the day. And, and then the other thing is you have more watches, you have more services. I just got the email from Apple that the Apple TV plus is going up, but guess what? I'm gonna keep it because I'm watching. I just finished Silo. Have you watched Silo? Uh, [00:35:30] Frank: no, I think you told me to watch it also. I totally forgot. I'll have to put that [00:35:34] James: on. So good. And I missed out the, and people are like, Silo is so two months ago, two, two, two, three days ago. Uh, anyways, I just thought it was based off a book. I don't read books. Books are stupid. Um, but also great. I'm a supporter of books. I'm not against books. I just don't read books. I mean, I guess I read a few books once. Yeah, just on the stupid ones. Um, Silo, great show. I'm also watching Invasion, which is an alien invasion story. It's more about the story of non aliens. I'm, I'm into it because I'm, I'm like committed. The first few episodes really pulled me in. Now I'm just committed. I got to watch the rest of it. Anyways, Silos. Super good. And then there's after party, which you've never wanted after party. That's a great show. Anyways, Apple's like, Hey, we're raising the rates. You're [00:36:18] Frank: doing what Tim Cook did. You just slip in these little Apple TV announcements and ads. Like I think they announced like morning show or something was coming. Like during the event, but they just slip them in. They're like, they're, they're not going to do a section on the Apple TV. I think it's just [00:36:32] James: a little. Just a little slip and slide. It was great. Um, um, but besides that, I want to remind everyone, iOS 17, watch OS 10 dropping the 18th, which is the day this podcast comes out. So you can upgrade that. And if you have an Apple laptop, I don't know if you, you know, Apple makes laptops and desktops. I don't know if you've heard of that. They run a operating system called the Mac OS and Sonoma will be available on. Macintosh, Macintosh, Macintosh, it's named after the apple, Macintosh apple. Um, and Sonoma, which is not named after apples, um, will be available on September 6th, 26th. So you got a little bit longer to wait on Sonoma. I think I've still two OS's back. I feel like I don't update my Mac OS device because. Well, I've been, [00:37:23] Frank: I've been running the betas and they've, they've both been fine. Mac and iOS, so I think everything's in pretty decent shape. I'm not too worried. Okay. Live your life, [00:37:35] James: right? Live your life. Um, all right. That's going to do it for this week's podcast. You can check us out on the internet. Uh, uh, oh, I guess I should also tell you my rating. A minus. I thought that the tearjerker opening, fantastic. What a great video. I thought the cinematography, the drone footage. They literally shot, I dunno how they did it. They literally shot a segment on like a San Diego pier. Like, they're like, Oh, we're just on this pier and we're just going to shoot this video. And like, people are like fishing in the background. Like how do you even do this as everybody in actor, I don't understand, brilliant. And then they also like filmed a segment, like in Alcatraz or something, or like some Island. What was that? I don't know, but it was amazing. And I was like, dang it, Apple. Why are you so good at making Kino? It's like upsetting. It's like, it, it physically upsets me. That they're so good at all this shenanigans. I'm like, stop it, stop being so good. It makes me upset. It hurts my soul that you're so good at these stupid marketing videos. And then I re went back and I re watched like the WWDC keynote. I was like, dang it, stop being so good at this crap. You spent your budget. No wonder the iPhone costs so much and the Apple Ultra is like 799. You spent so much on this freaking video. Anyway, it's super good. They really have it nailed down. However, that being said, the drone footage, you can only use that for so many years, Apple. Tim Apple. If you're listening, I think you're at your limit. Like, this year was peak, it was peak drone, they literally flew a drone through a window in Alcatraz into the Alcatraz building. Peak drone. Peak drone. Peak drone. [00:39:16] Frank: A, I'm already over drones, so I think peak was last year. B, we haven't seen anything yet. From now on, all Hollywood is going to be drone shots. There's not going to be one steadicam at all. The dolly is gone. It's all drones whipping around doing circles. [00:39:35] James: I, well, from Apple's keynote today, my understanding is that everything in Hollywood is just going to be shot on an iPhone 15 Pro Max, because it's pro raw footage that they can take from USB. And they're like, Oh, I just edited it really quick. Right? Boom. [00:39:49] Frank: Aces. They do aces now. It's. Okay. It's wonderful. [00:39:54] James: Yeah. [00:39:55] Frank: It's math. They're very happy with their math. [00:39:58] James: All right. You can check us out on the internet. Twitter. com, uh, slash James Montemagno slash program slash merge conflict. FM. You can find Frank on Twitch at twitch. tv forward slash Frank Krueger. You can find me. On YouTube, youtube. com forward slash James Montemagno. You can find the podcast. 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