James: 00:09 Frank. They did it. Frank: 00:11 Who did what chains? James: 00:13 Apple. They did it. Frank: 00:15 Did they conquer the universe? No. I suppose they've already done that. James: 00:20 No. They invented for new things. They just released it into the wild. Frank. They invented for the first time ever. Magazines, Frank: 00:32 magazines, like the kinds that you can read with your eyes and killed trees with that seems very Annapolis alike. Why would they do that James: 00:40 digitize magazines invented for the first time, but yet three more frank, they reinvented video games. Video Games. Frank: 00:49 I like video games. That was genius to them to reinvent. James: 00:53 Just wait though. This one's going to blow your mind. Frank. I'm ready. Credit cards, credit cards. They did it. Frank: 01:01 Thing that I thought we were all getting rid of. They reinvented. That's awesome. James: 01:05 It's back. They reinvented it. They, they not only invented but they reinvented their own invention. Frank: 01:11 I'm finding it very difficult to be a fan boy right now, but keep them coming. James, what else you got? James: 01:16 The one that I'm actually excited about that they reinvented or attempted to reinvent. We will see how it all folds unfolds. Frank: 01:23 The television. Okay. I really love the TV and uh, I wasn't looking forward to being reinvented, but James: 01:30 sure. Third or fourth attempt at it, it's going to be great. Yeah. So I, I just, I just a little bit, but no, today, literally when we're recording is the date this, this podcast is the apple services keynote event and Tim Cook and friends got on stage and unveiled these products out into the world. Now you frank watch it in its entirety. Is that correct? Frank: 01:56 I've seen it all. James. I, I'm still reliving parts of it. I was, I had no idea. I, I've been a little bit out of the apple press, but I found out about at 9:50 AM that there was an apple event today. And I'm like, sweet. I love apple events. And I was very excited. And then he started out with Webster defines James: 02:17 services as, oh no, did you catch that? So I went and I was doing my taxes today, which you and I have talked about. Well, we're not going to get into, I started to watch it and I go, I don't have time to watch this right now. So I watched the Engadget event in seven minutes, which I will tell you, I feel as if I have no idea in seven minutes what they announced, which means this event must must've been at least five and a half hours. That's what I'm assuming. Yeah, Frank: 02:49 it was a little long, especially if you're like me and had no idea what the purpose of it was, but it was, um, a services thing. And so you start to think what services does apple have? And that's literally how they started trying to remind everyone what services they have. So they mentioned, um, Siri music and then news came up and I was quite surprised because I don't really use the news app that much. Um, but they seem to be very proud of it and it seemed like, uh, they are really pushing advancements, so their new service. Um, and then there's apple pay as he said. I was just so thankful that there were no music updates. I still have a little PTSD from the music release. Um, uh, presentation show, whenever that was, whenever apple music was released. That was a tough one. James: 03:39 Yeah. This was a good event. I've been listening to a lot of speculation about this event and apple in general, and we think of apple as a hardware company, but they definitely want to pivot towards a services company because if you think of the services that are monthly renewable, that's free ongoing all the time. If they can $10 subscription dollars, if they can't sell more I iPhones, they need to sell you more things on the iPhone. Frank: 04:07 That's right. That's right. And they kind of got me. Um, there's four things here. I'm not going to be paying for all four, but we'll leave it to the end to decide what are we going to pay for out of all these new things. Um, I honestly don't think of apple as a services company. When they said services, I was like, oh cool, we're going to talk about iCloud and data thinking and all that. I'm like, Oh God, I'm such a developer. That's not what they were going to talk about at all. No. Instead, it's all the customer facing features. Uh, everyone's into this now. Microsoft's a services company. Everyone's a services company. It's the way the world, James: 04:43 yeah. Services for everyone. And apple had a theme throughout all of the four different products that they announced, which was all about privacy, security, no advertisement is snooping in on you, which is pretty great. Uh, from someone that watches a lot of Hulu and browses the uses, the general internet and you know, and, and people know what you're browsing and you look at something on Amazon, then those ads pop up everywhere. So I thought that that was a nice kind of nod to, towards this privacy push that they'd been on forever. And that popped up very first in news plus. So you talked about news, they had reinvented the APP for the iPhone and tablets and Mac os and yeah, news plus, there's a lot of pluses in this one. Apple News plus is going to be full access to 300, 300 magazines and leading newspapers. And I like how Tim Cook Open here. I did, they did a snippet, this part and he's like, man, I love like the, the like the news area of magazines. I just love looking at all of the fancy like, like work and the magazines. Like I love being at the new stand. Do you Tim, do you love being at the new stamp town? Frank: 06:03 Twitter was pretty harsh on poor Tim during that segment. I felt a little bad for them. Um, but the truth is James, I am kind of a magazine Nerd. I, I'm not so much anymore, but definitely when I was younger and I definitely loved hanging out at news stands and things like that. Uh, here in Seattle we have the public market and there aren't too many news, big news places left in Seattle, but there's one big one right at the public market. And I do love going there and browsing through all this stuff, all the stuff on the AV too. So magazines as a service though, you know why I think I love magazines is I actually love paper. I love typography and I love print and I'm not sure if I actually like digital magazines, me personally. But it seems like someone at apple does so much so that they're doubling down and they got all of these people to cooperate. Boy, that had to be a tough negotiation for them, Huh. To get everyone to just join this pool of magazines. James: 07:01 I think for any of these services are probably pulling teeth, which is probably why it took so long. And I am, I'm imagined that they delayed a bunch of things to cause there's four different mediums that they wanted to cover and my assumption has to be that they had to get everyone on board and they probably waited to even announce it until, till later in. Some of these services don't launch until later in the year, so they're probably going to still roll it out. But I think you're right. I mean my problem with magazines, I love a good magazine. I get a bunch done to my house, but I get them all for free from United miles that I don't use. And we get people magazine and Heather does like crosswords and stuff like that. And you know what you can't do on a digital surface if you're just browsing, do a crossword puzzle. I assume that'd be cool if they did bake it in that, that seems like a kind of minimum viable product there. Yeah. Need to be able to do that. So I don't know, there's not much to say about apple news. It's available today. You get a free month so you could try it for free. That's nice. I do like that. Frank: 08:03 Yeah. And it looks nice. I mean, I said I like typography and digital topography is technically topography. So it does look nice. They have the Wall Street Journal. Um, you know what though? I get all my information from Twitter and blogs these days. I think I'm kind of a little overly millennial in that case. And so I'm curious to see if anyone uses it. It did make me think of, um, Marco's the magazine. Remember that APP? Yep. Yeah. Uh, he was kinda going for this same thing of, uh, lots of Nice authors with a curated editorial, you know, along with that privacy thing. They kept talking about their editorial as then they're trying to pick out good news stories, good articles. Uh, if they notice that you're reading about Costa Rica, it brought up a travel thing about Costa Rica. That was a very weird demo, but so, and it's doing all that creepy stuff without being creepy. It's the idea that they're doing some machine learning on the device so that it can make all these recommendations. So it's a weird combination of machine learning and the editorial staff, I don't know, way of the future I guess. James: 09:12 I guess that's fine. I, I look at my Google now devices and when I swipe on my android device over to the uh, right then I get all things that are hand curated for me from blog posts and Twitter and youtube and everything altogether. I know I'm getting a lot of my news from I that area to be honest with you. And I know Google has huge consumption there. So that recommendation engine is really intriguing. The problem is that they're going to be limited to the 300 compared to the entire Internet. And that's probably good and bad because the one thing that's nice about magazines and these journalistic websites is that there's more of a true source that you're getting from it compared to the wild, wild west of the Internet and the blogs. So I, I think they're going to be different generations that will be interested in this. I could see certain generations being into it more. Um, but then other generations not. And I think for instance, you know, I might think about my parents' generation being a little bit more into this, but then I think of my grandparents' generation, definitely not. Right. So it's not just older or younger. I think every generation is probably going to consume media a little bit different. Uh, so it'll be interesting to see how it plays out at the end of the day and, and how it goes. Frank: 10:34 Yeah. I wonder if they have Harper's magazine. That was the last one I subscribe to and actually enjoyed half to look. Yeah, they had a, they have James: 10:43 have some, they do a vox, which I really like, which that, that's an all night online too. So it's not, they also have online journalism, not just hard print that they're doing. So that's Kinda Nice. So what do they go to next though? Nef Magazines. They go to a gun Frank: 10:55 so they get a card. Let's do games. Either way. I am, I'm a little bored with the magazine thing, you know, long form writing it puts me to sleep. Yeah, I got the attention span of a monkey here. So video games, let's talk about video games. Apple has decided that they are creating their own kind of um, service service that you can pay for nine 99 and what you get is a subscription to a bunch of video games. James, how many? 200 how many? 100 of video. Arms. Hundred. Amazing. So for $10 a month you can play through some pretty decent looking games. You said there were a few, a notable game developers on there. I personally didn't recognize all the games, but they looked nice. Gosh, game rendering. Technology has really come a long way. Games are gorgeous these days. James: 11:49 Yes, they look very, very nice. So it's an all, you can play one subscription ads, no in APP purchases, which is very nice for the Frank: 11:57 yeah. For the parents for a minute. No. Inap oh thank God. I don't want to play games anymore cause it's all coin collecting. It's just so dirty. James: 12:07 I think that's what they wanted to do. They wanted to say, hey listen, there's tons of mobile games but we want to do is create a new game service. Right. It's not Ios, it's not iPhone arcade. It's, you know, this thing works across iPhone, iPad, Mac and apple TV. They want like a play anywhere. But these are games that are more, I want to say mobile ish focus cause there'd be able to play on an iPhones and they're, so there's going to be some limited things there. So this isn't going to be your fortnight or your call of duty from what I can tell. However, there are some great things like from Anaperna interactive, like Lego Games. Uh, some very nice looking like shooters and adventure games say is in there with a sonic racing. So there's probably some games that you'll find maybe on your switch or, um, maybe on existing three ds or things like that. So in general, there's, there's some, there's some good studios that I'm seeing on here, uh, that they're doing. Um, yeah, there's going to be a challenge though of making sure that all of these games work across all those mediums though. Frank: 13:13 Yeah. The Apple TV, if they didn't Tory athlete, bad gaming platform mostly because of the ridiculous controller that they give you out of the box. If they shipped us like a gaming controller, that'd be super nice. Apple. Please think about it. Yeah. These games look nice because they, um, they kind of had an indie feel too old. Now I'm just knowing the business. I know these are actually probably very expensively produced games. They just look too nice. But they definitely had back casual in the game feel to them. But that's fine for me because honestly you sold me when he said sonic. I'm like, Ooh, a sonic sonic working if I Sadik. So it's probably not going to be these sonic that I want to play. It will be some weird Jrp PG version of fun. Sure. I'll buy that. James: 13:58 Yeah, it's, it's cool. I mean, I, I, you know what's really funny about this, them announcing it is last week Google announced stadia which is their sort of play on games anywhere where they're leveraging chrome, android, uh, uh, android TV and the chrome cast to stream games. Now it's a little bit different though because those are full games. There's, there's one subscription. We think they haven't really announced the details. They have their own controller though. Or you can play with any of your existing controllers, but they're, they're pitching it more as AAA titles where this is sort of different in between Indian Indy plus, I'll call it a up to like a Aa type of title from what I can see that's announced. But they are saying play offline, play anytime, anywhere and family access. Um, and again, no ads or no in APP purchases, which would be similar stadia or if you buy a game on your x box or Nintendo switch, you're not going to get ads. James: 14:56 You might get in App purchases though. That's a little bit different. So developers that they're working close with are going to have to take that into account when they're making their games. So if you make a game for this service, how is that going to differ? If you put it on the Nintendo switch, are you going to have in APP purchases or you're not going to be priced different? And what is the model for these developers? I think this is the question that everybody had for stadia, which was how are these developers getting paid? Are they getting paid per play? Are they getting paid a flat fee? Uh, that's an unknown question and at least hear apple came out of the box swinging with a hundred games signed up compared to stadia, which showed off to games, I believe. So. Frank: 15:40 Oh, you know, yeah. Um, this whole, this whole presentation seem to be comparing apple services to their competitors without blatantly specifying the competitor's name or the thing they're making fun of. But it was fun to get all the, the code words going around. So yeah, they kept stressing. These are offline games. You can play them anywhere, whether you have a network or not. And that was obviously shots fired over to Google. They're both valid techniques. I'm, you know, me, I'm an offline person. I don't like being dependent on anything. And so I prefer the apple approach, but at the same time, I don't want to buy expensive video cards just to play the best games and make the best games look good. So they're both very valid techniques. And I think honestly in the very, very, very longterm, Google's approach is probably a superior approach. But who cares? Uh, more video games. It's just kind of, you know, you're, you're paying $10, play through the hundred games and then cancel it. It'll be fun. We'll have been along those lines. James: 16:44 And Microsoft has done this. They have their game pass where you can pay a flat fee. It's a 999 I believe, a month, and you can play hundreds of games, including Microsoft First Party title games on your Xbox or if they're on PC, on PC as well. So this isn't a new concept. I would say. Uh, I, it's new for apple. And I really enjoy that they through the Mac in there too. So Max seem to be a first class citizen on all these announcements. So, but of course I don't use a mac or an iPhone or an iPad on a or an apple TV on a daily basis. So I guess it's not too much into me, uh, for this. But at the same time, you know, the bang or would have been like, oh, if Nintendo woulda came out and they have like a new Nintendo for Mario game, crazy like they did for Super Mario run would have been bananas. But uh, I don't know. Frank: 17:34 Real quick, back to the Dodea, um, Google thing and you were asking like, what's the, what's the monetization model going to be for developers if that, I do worry about that one a little bit. I think about what happened to the music industry and how streaming basically killed all James: 17:50 royalties. I would hate to see a video games become commoditized to that point where we're just getting shovel where again, I don't like being an administry with shovel where I want, you know, artistic expressions of passion and all that stuff, you know, that's what I want. Um, so ah, but there's always going to be a blend between shovel where in that there is going to be a blend and I think on the Nintendo switch, that's where I see it a lot. There's some really great games, great indie games, but there is a lot of shovel ware, but at the same time some of the shovel where even though it may cost a few dollars and it's not great, it's not like mobile where there's tons of in app purchases and this and that and they're in the game. I don't play mobile games though, to be honest with you. James: 18:32 Very rare, unless it's a Nintendo game or something like that that I'm playing, I am an intended to switch diehard. I do an entire podcast on the Nintendo switch. I really enjoy the model, but I also really enjoy the games at Nintendo puts out the reason that, you know, the switch and Nintendo councils are really, really successful is because of that. So if they can create some unique exclusive games for this, and if it's not that expensive, I just find it as yet another medium in which you can pay to play games somewhere. And the idea even in tendo has played around with it with their online monthly service where you get a bunch of nes games to play for free every month is a good thing. Because like you're saying, I just want to try something, I want to do something. My fear though with that is if you can just play anything at any time, it, it kind of makes that hunt like Netflix, right? James: 19:27 There's too many options, there's too many things. I don't know what to play. So that's always the struggle I guess that I have sometimes with the play. Anything you want like, oh, I don't even know what to play right now. So, you know, I always revert to the old classic. Like I, I had one of those Netflix moments where I didn't want to do anything but watch TV and yet I couldn't decide anything on Netflix. I watched Logan's run God a movie from like the 70s or the 80s, but I feel like I'd be at the same place I'd be playing like Pac man on my audio streaming service off of a Gpu. But uh, just going back to the little games for a moment, um, I've been playing on the oculus going on, all I buy are the $2 and $5 games. That kind of what I was jokingly calling the shovel ware, but they're not bad. James: 20:10 I love these little cheap games. I hate getting a very expensive game and then not liking it. I don't mind blowing five bucks if the game's no good. So I think I will try this service. Yeah, I will. I will be interested to see how it works across the different devices and controllers more than anything. Because yeah, these games, looking at the trailers, watching the trailers, they don't necessarily look like iPhone games. They look like games that need controllers. So I'm puzzled what they're going to do, uh, that are going to recommend you buy a controller. I don't know. We'll find out. Huh? That'd be cool. Yeah. Well talking about things that you should be checking out, you should check out some brand new products from our friends over at tellerik. That's right. The team over at progress has been making awesome updates to all of the tellerik Ui. And you know what? They just released frank and early preview. Frank: 21:06 I can imagine. Tell me, tell me. Blazer support. Dang, they're fast. James: 21:13 Yes, they are on it with Tellerik Ui for Blazer. It's a rich set of web Ui components that gives developers ability to write rich web interfaces in c sharp with all of the great components and charts and all the things that people love from Telarc Ui. 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Everyone I talked to over there always excited and they're making a lot of good stuff. Let's get this one on the way. Frank, the card. No, no Frank: 22:31 card. We're not getting this. This is the best part. James, not only did apple give us all these ways to give them money, they gave us a new way to give them money. I mean genius, just genius James. So yeah, apples, uh, I want to call my bank because that's a simplification, but the truth is they're just a distributor of a mastercard that's backed by Goldman Sachs, but it has a really cute app and it's made out of titanium and I'm probably going to get one. And that's really embarrassing. James: 23:03 Yeah, it does say on their website by the way, as as apple card and you kind of credit card created by apple, not a bank. So it just seems like Frank: 23:13 every large company eventually becomes an investment bank. It's just how long and how many steps do they have to go through? You know, GM started a finance program. Apples had a finance program forever. They're just up in their finance programs are saying, Hey, credit card, let's do this. So you get 3% off of a, no 3% rewards cash back, you know, all that, all that terrible lingo. A for apple purchases, 2% blah, blah, blah. Other things. And if you actually use the physical card 1%, they tax you for using the physical card. It's so lovely. And I'm sure this is only for Americans, is that true? I didn't pay attention. James: 23:52 I'm not positive. They do have it integrated into the apple pay APP. So it will be updated. So it'll give you your spending habits. It will show you where you're spending things. If it's on entertainment or food or drink or the restaurants that you're at, it'll give you reminders like when payments are due. So to kind of link all of that together, which is nice. I mean if you're already using apple pay and you don't have a great rewards card or you know what something new, there's no fees at all. It says on here, no fees, not even hidden ones. That's good, you know, in general. Uh, and it'll try to help you spend less over time. And of course, just like everything else, security and privacy built in line right into that credit card. Frank. Frank: 24:36 Yeah. They didn't even print the credit card numbers on the card. If you want to see the credit card number, you actually have to open the APP. That's not going to be inconvenient, I'm sure. Um, but they are, this is kind of interesting because there are entering the banking app market. Basically they have a banking app on the phone that comes pre installed on the phone now and it looks like a good one. Um, I think chase is going to have to up their game. Bank of America is definitely going to have to up their name. You know, there's, it's, I think it's good for competition that they're going to set a new bar and user interface. I especially like that they have, um, old mint like features where it'll try to decode those terrible vendor lines and try to come up with an actual business and an actual address. I mean that in itself is worth the APP and paying the apple tax. James: 25:30 Yeah, they, they have information about you to, they have your location right. When you make a payment, if you're paying it on your phone, they have your location there. They could track your habits a little bit, you know, on your device. They could, you know, give you rewards. They could probably do a whole bunch of things. I don't know what all they're going to do in the long run, but I do enjoy the fact that if you already have an iPhone and you already want to do stuff, you know it's like why not? I guess at this point what I like about these services, if you are all in like I have friends including you to some extent, but I have other friends that you know, they are all in on the apple ecosystem from Mac to iPad to iPhone to Apple Watch, to iCloud to all of the services. This just really brings it all together and the other services, right? The newspapers, the apple card, the gaming where you could just say, you know what, this year for all of my services, I'm going to pay apple $500 right? I don't know whatever it is and that's what I'm going to get. And maybe if I'm going to use my apple card to pay for all those things to be pick a 3% back. You know, how crazy would that, it's silly. Frank: 26:40 Well, the next time I buy an imac pro, I'm definitely getting that 3% back. Oh yeah, no doubts there. Oh yeah. Um, you know, when I was a kid and we were studying dystopian futures, I didn't really believe the whole, we'll all be in debt to the major brands thing. Like, you know, I had to go to the Nike slave labor camp to pay off my shoes. I didn't believe that. And now to see it like unfolding and actually happening, it's a little bit marvelous in all the ways. So it's fun that we have our brands as credit cards, but I think I'm stuck in the Amazon ecosystem and there are lovely rewards. How dystopian. Yeah. I think of, you know, Wally with the by and large, uh, and they financed my house and we'll get there one day, I'm sure. Um, oh, I'm going to get an apple mortgage. I want to be the first to have an apple mortgage. James: 27:37 There you go. Okay, fine. Okay. Before we get there, maybe you can start to just pay apple to watch television. How do you feel about that? That's the first step. That's the next step here. Frank: 27:47 Okay. Uh, this one I'm excited for because it's been talked about for a long time. Everyone found out that Apple's becoming a production house. They want to become a Netflix or a Hulu. Oh, now they want to be HBO. I think they won't be HBO. So they laid down a lot of bucks, bought a lot of shows and have started a new service called Apple TV plus. Don't forget the plus plus and yeah, and this is a weird part of the presentation cause we had a bunch of actors come out and pitch their shows. It's like we're all executives getting pitched and some of them look good. Um, I don't know, you know, can I pay for another TV service? But it's still fun to see him giving it a go. Yeah. So did, did you talk about, James: 28:35 maybe, maybe you did mention but there's the new apple TV app with a whole bunch of new features inside that you went to the, Frank: 28:41 you went to the, you want to go there, you went to the court TV plus. Yeah, the good thing. Okay, let's do the APP first then. New App, new APP, which um, I dunno, I've used their app for a while now. The whole idea behind the APP is that it's a single place to search for all your shows and it will point you to the other apps that have the shows. I use this sometimes, but it's actually baked into my TV. I have an LG TV and it already has that search functionality. So good for you, apple. But I don't know I need it. James: 29:11 So what they're doing with this one though with the update is that they will apparently not jumpy from app to app, but everything will just be together and then you can buy things. I'll a cart. So you can buy television channel. So if you want comedy central or NBC or ABC, they save that. You can buy those all a cart on demand. You know, there's still a lot of unknown things here. But the cool part about this services, it's supposed to bring it all together with the TV is that um, the APP itself is going to go beyond the apple TV device. Yes. Frank: 29:53 This is weird. Like I said, I have a LG TV and I tend to use that operating system. It's web ios and they said that the apple TV APP eventually in the future we'll run there. And that's quite an impressive feat. I not sure I ever would have predicted that apple would have moved their app off of their own hardware. It's not something they generally do, but I think this is their recognition that people are getting a little tired of 8,000 devices connected to the TV. James: 30:24 Yeah. And what we see here is that you should be able to do multiple things, see such as, do things on demand with showtime, Starz, CBS. You should be able to rent, buy movies that are in iTunes or anything like that. Um, you should be able to get your streaming services such as prime prime video, Hulu, uh, ABC streaming or NBC streaming and get live television such as spectrum directv now and playstation vue. And that's, they're putting it all together in these channels. So if I search for bachelor, I should be able to, I think watch it live or see it on demand on Hulu if I'm signed up for it. And the idea is that you're not jumping into another app that you are literally just going to press the bachelor button and bachelor, we'll start playing. That's supposed to be the difference with this new service, which uh, I don't know how they got, got all these brands on board Frank: 31:27 in general. Well, so I do have to say that that was the most intriguing feature for me out of all of this, that it was kind of unified under an APP. And that's because, uh, you know how they always offer when you rent something, do you want standard death HD or a UHD? And some people have really good four k streams. Other people have terrible streams. You can never tell the quality of anything until basically you've already rented it. And I don't know if I imagined it or not, but I think someone said something about like a consistent quality views, viewing experience. So I'm curious if there, you know, setting a higher standard, I don't know if we're just, you know, if they're just routing around to other people's servers or if they're forcing them through their own servers, that kind of stuff. But Gosh, I would love it if they solve the problem of, oops, I actually, that we had rented an SD quality video on my four k TV and it looks like garbage. Please stop streaming that. Or even the worst one where you a rent a four k video and it looks terrible because the server can't keep up. Those are the worst. James: 32:37 Yeah. Or you're, you're watching a service and there's ads in it. Like we have norm normal Hulu and there's ads in the ads are terrible, or they hiccup or have issues or are targeted at you. Like are these not targeted or are they targeted? I'm kinda confused now. They did say like you said, they're going to go on IPAD, iPhone, apple TV back airplay enabled to streaming boxes, smart TVs and streaming sticks. Now, not my Google TV obviously, but uh, anything but my Google TV apparently it will be on, I was pretty happy to hear it was going to be on the Mac honestly because you know when I'm bored sometimes I'll put it on the youtube but that's basically all I ever put it on my Mac. So it'd be nice having a little app to watch something a little more interesting. Now I'll tell you this, youtube, I'll tell you why I'm excited and if they do this right. James: 33:30 Okay Frank, here's the problem with television and I don't know if there'll be able to solve this. Okay. Hit me James. We in our house have an HD home run tuner like over the air tuner cause I want to watch ABC, NBC. These are for this, it's free television. I don't know if you know if they do this in a movie, like a free with ads. James, you got to watch ads but it's okay. Yes, the commercials, they have a fancy term for these ads to those fancy advertisement commercials. So you can plug in an antenna and where we live in Seattle, you hopefully can get reception. You'll get it now. I've been, we've been pretty okay to watch the bachelor live. It's the only show that we watched live is the bachelor because everything happens in real sea hawks, hawks, no, I go to sounders games. James: 34:19 I don't go to, to really anything else, but uh, okay. I use the bunny ears just for the football. Ah, bunny ears. Is there a bunny ears? That's what they used to call him back in the day. And I believe a lot of people still get, you know, television this way. So this totally works great with my Android TV, like I have it plugged in, it's over the network and stream it to my TV. Bingo. Bango pretty great. Now I was having some issues in the last month or two and I just couldn't get a good reception. So I go, Gosh darn it, there's only a month left. I'll sign up for Comcast live streaming TV. They said it's $10 a month. You get the, you get all the channels that you get for free, but you can give us $10 and we'll stream it in. Hdu Let it go. Fine. James: 35:04 Oh, so it's like in a browser or it's on the team. How does it actually, it's a, here's the best person to, so they do have apps but they don't have on for Android TV. So, and you can't chrome cast it or airplay it because writes digital rights, copyrights, copyrights. So here's what I do because it works in a browser is I do htmi out to my television and I play it on my TV. Hello, hello people. So anyways, I still feel some of the DRM used to be to catch that scenario too. So I think you're actually pretty lucky that that worked fine for me. And we can watch on our TV. Worst comes to worst. We could wear a watch on the laptop, but that was fine. But then I got the bill and Oh it was not $10 a month, frank. Oh, what was it? So it was $10 base. But then because Comcast is Comcast, they have to add on all of the local and broadcast and local fees and all this stuff. It ended up being, I love it. 35 extra dollars. James: 36:12 35 extra for you. Got Up to 45 total. 35 35 total. 30 Victoria. Okay. Yeah, but you're very close to like a cable bill at this point and it feels like that's all they're trying to push you to. Yes. So I go, I go, I called him up and I canceled and they were very polite and they said, yeah, that's fine. We'll take it off immediately. And I was mind boggling. So in this instance I would, I would really appreciate that. Oh, I want to watch ABC live right now. Let me subscribe for $5 a week, $10 whatever. Right. I'll a cart, whatever. Because that's shenanigans that, that they can add on all these extra fees. I've always hated the cable companies and now I just hate him even more after this experience, you know? So, I dunno if apple can fix that because they might just be integrating into the existing streaming services like, oh, do you have Comcast streaming? James: 37:00 Like now you can get it through here, which doesn't necessarily solve my issue. Yeah. Well they did show off how quick it is that you can subscribe to a channel and that's a little bit scary. I hope they have parental controls for that one. I hope they have parental controls for me for that one. I'm like, Ooh, I like that TV show. Sure. I don't mind spending $10 a month do that 30 times. Yeah, totally. I like how Roderick calls those eels. How many more eels do you want to attach to yourself now what? They didn't show us, how easily can you unsubscribe? And so, um, but that's usually been pretty easy. I'm just thinking of like HBO now and things like that. Unsubscribing this generally pretty easy. So this is probably a good thing for them to make it super easy to subscribe. Yeah. James: 37:45 And it makes complete sense at all of these, all of these places and all these companies most likely didn't want to do any of this, but because apple is apple and they're like, hey, you know we're doing this, you're either on or you're not and we control the APP store, you're going to be doing this. So, and I bet they'd give him a pretty good cut of things and whatnot. It makes a lot of sense to me. I really, I really like it and I believe if any of these things, you know, apple is a company that they are not necessarily always first to the table, but they like to sit, they like to watch, they like to let other people fail and then try to do it. Correct. I don't know if all of these are going to be successful, but at least some of them will push the industry forward. And that is a thing that I like about apple is because they seem to be able to get people on board, push things in a direction where other people have to innovate. Because if Comcast is left to their own demise, they will never innovate and continue to charge you more money for the year old crappy service in general. Right. That's their, that's their Mojo. That's what they're about. But once everyone else comes about, then they will hopefully push a little bit forward. Frank: 38:56 Yeah, you can tell. Um, there's still some negotiations happening here because you still can't record shows. It's not like a proper, um, gosh, what do you call us, whatever. Those are the devices that actually record shows so you can watch them later and all that stuff. Um, so the live stuff, they'll has conditions and all of that, but yeah. Um, I would not want to play in that field. Um, it seems like all we do now is pay for more and more services. So any consolidation attempts, I guess I'm just kind of by default for, even if it just means I'm consolidation at the payments, I suppose. I'm still for that, just so I don't lose track of all the things that I'm subscribed to. Just trying to watch all my superhero shows. It's a tough life, James. It's really hard. Yeah. Well James: 39:44 I'm excited to maybe give apple some money because you know what I have sitting in my bottom drawer, my, my device drawer frank, Frank: 39:53 uh, better be $10 a month. James: 39:57 Well, besides $10 a month, which I will happily pay on my apple credit card is Frank: 40:02 it's are not apple credit card. Apple card. Applecart uh, applecart I have a apple TV James: 40:10 developer device from 2015 2016. I just need to upgrade that puppy. Got Boom, smooth streaming so I can actually test this service. Frank, I'm very excited about it. Frank: 40:20 Ooh, the developer device, this is often known as the $1 apple TV. This is cool. I have one too. I haven't upgraded it and forever because I'm like, I'm never going to have a better deal than $1 for an apple TV. James: 40:33 I've never turned it on and I never sold it because I felt really guilty that I got it for a dollar. And I did want to try to develop stuff for it. And it's sitting there just in case one Frank: 40:42 daddy. Well now you can write an amazing game. Get a distribution rights by apple, joined the big leagues, have cool testimonial videos. Done a view in black and white that are very emotional and you'll be on your way. Yeah, there you go. Easy peasy. So it does it, are you signing up for everything? What's your plan? Not everything skipping. The magazine's going to get the car just because I want to hunk a titanium that has my name on it. Um, roundup roundup. Uh, what else am I doing? Um, I'm going to try the apple TV plus all their new shows. Just cause I'm a TV addict. I'll try it for a month. Probably cancel and you, James: 41:25 I will try the, I will wait to see how the TV service is and give that ago. Only because the TV service solves an issue that I currently have games. I got too many of them magazines. I have too many physical copies and I have too many credit cards. So the TV one attempts to solve an actual problem that I have. Yeah, consolidation, good stuff and not getting ridiculous bills and stuff. And then, yeah, the Nice thing about the TV is that I watched TV on the TV. I rarely watched TV on other devices. It's nice to be able to do at like on a, on a smart smart display or on my phone but 95 if not more percent of the time. I watch my TV on the TV cause I have a big 55 inch TV. I want to watch it on the big screen. That's why I bought that TV seven years ago. 10 ADP. I don't need money to be, you need four k I only use the apple TV to watch star trek because we're required by American law. Pay for CBS, all access and watch on an apple. James: 42:34 There you go. Can you, can you with c can you, can you do CBS, CBS, all access. Can you watch it live like as it's happening in real time? No, I believe that it's yet another cvs. Even more. All access and you need to have a deal with Comcast or your local cable company. God, the telecom industry as a mess. What a mess. Apple fix it. That's all I'm saying. Do it. Alright. I think that's going to, we're going to wrap it up because we can't solve everything and maybe apple can, but we'll find out this fall when everything is finally launched and we can maybe do a one year retrospective on the apple services that we all know and love and use every day by Frank. Well that's going to do it I think for this week's episode. I do want to say one thing, frank, about our podcast. James: 43:26 Do you love it? Do you hate it? I do love our podcast. Okay, good. And last week we did an episode on Aot and Llvm. Ooh, I like that. Yeah, it was basically you running the show and we had a listener, Justin reach out and he said that one of his friends, uh, is legally deaf and he had asked if we had transcripts for the show. Ah, yes, this is hard. Um, I've run podcasts in the past and there just aren't very many. It's, it's kind of expensive to get a professional translation because it turns out podcasts are kind of long and so we can't really afford a professional translation. Yes, they are long and I had researched some for a long time and they are expensive. So there's something I wanted to try and we're going to get feedback from Jocelyn and rev on this, but I did find a service that does automated machine translations into transcripts and last week's episode. James: 44:32 And this week episode will be the first ones that have these on there. So they're automated. But then I go through and I spend 10 to 15 minutes and I cleaned them up. They have a nice online tools to do this. I use a service called team teeny or something like that, uh, which is still not free. It's 10 cents a minute, which is much more expense, are much cheaper than the dollar, $2 50 per minute to have a human do it. So, uh, since we have a lot of wonderful patrion supporters and we're at a relatively great goal that we wanted to hit anyways, instead of doing a newsletter, I thought that we could really open this up, be more inclusive and other people have asked about transcripts and provide transcripts going forward, um, at least machine, uh, and cleaned up by me. Now I believe that we can also automate this so people could go in and clean them up later too. James: 45:28 I need to look into this. So kind of crowd source if they wanted to. Uh, last week's episode I did and it did a really good job and has a hard time with.net and Llvm because they would just mess it up a little bit, but it did a good job of highlighting it and letting me clean it up. So we're going to give that a go and we're going to get some feedback from Justin and is a friend, uh, who is deaf and we will see how that transcript goes. But when you go to merge conflict.fm, uh, there's a few things you can do there. Obviously if you want to become a patron of support or there's a button there, if you want to join us in our discord. Now if you go to this week's or last week's episode, when you click on the link, so slash one 42 or one 43, right up top, you'll see transcript button. And when you click on that, you will see time codes, um, uh, of the entire podcast. It's just a big text file and it mostly says speaker one or speaker two, uh, randomly had speaker three. So I don't know what happened there, but kind of funny so far, Frank: 46:27 other personality, this is really exciting. Um, I think every podcast should have a transcript. If for now obviously help everyone who can't hear and if nothing else for the Google tooth, I mean it's just good to have a written text. I went so far as I used to upload youtube videos because they had an automatic transcription service, so I'm glad that you found a better service than that. Uh, this is really good news. I'm excited that we have. James: 46:53 Yes. Yeah. So give it a, give it a go. If you want to real long, we're also open to collaboration. Uh, if there are other people are other people out there that are using other services that you could recommend, we totally up to give it a give it a shot. Um, and this one at least is in our budget. So we do have a budget to help out. And the, of course that is all made possible by obviously only our patrion supporters, but also our amazing sponsors like telerx this week that help out there. So, you know, given back that, that money and the sponsors, we want to use it not only for great stickers and swag, but also to help us grow the show. And, uh, I appreciate anyone reaching out, uh, like Justin did to, um, have us try some new features. A very excited about that. That's going to do it, frank, uh, for this week's merge conflict. Until next time, Speaker 1: 47:43 I'm James Montemagno and I'm Frank Krueger, thanks for lisenting piece.