MIX-14 === [00:00:00] James: Oh my goodness. Frank's gonna let me talk about Nintendo and video games and all the fun stuff that I love in life, because that's where I started my career. The [00:00:08] Frank: truth is I kind of always want to talk about Nintendo. I just don't really have much to say about Nintendo. I'm like, I like Mario and I like the Zelda. Uh, that's about it. And end of thoughts on Nintendo. [00:00:20] James: Well, it's a super interesting time right now, and I think in video game space, it's always an interesting time because. How things work nowadays is Sony and Microsoft release their consoles pretty much at the same time. Right. So that series Excess and the PlayStation, uh, five have been out for a few years now. Supply chains kind of come, they're they're, they're kind of there. Right. And then we have Nintendo that does these mid cycle and they started doing this, uh, with the switch or the, we, I think, I wanna say, where pretty much like Sony, Microsoft does a council. Nintendo will wait two to three years and then release a council and it'll be something different. Mm-hmm. So at this point, the, um, the, uh, the switch is like six, seven years old at this point. When did it come? [00:01:09] Frank: Oh my God. Yeah. It's not that old, is it? Well, okay. Yeah. I have to admit this conversation started because I said I was thinking about getting a switch. Yes. And I even went to a store and I put one in my hands. Wow. So I, I, I, I have a mini review to give, but please tell me how old is the switch actually. [00:01:27] James: Yeah. So the switch is officially six years old, six and a half years old. Um, That's when it became available. Now there are three models of the switch, the switch and switch light, which, uh, both have a, uh, 6.2 inch screen, seven 20 p uh, ipss on there. Okay. And then there's the oled, which is also a seven 20 P device, uh, which, uh, has a lower P P i, funnily enough, but it's OLED and very beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. [00:01:55] Frank: I, I was gonna get the ole, like I, I was looking at the other screens. They seemed a little bit, um, I know it's Nintendo and you can only pack so much and do a work. Four, $500 device. But, uh, no. I was gonna go Ed, go Ed, [00:02:10] James: go, go for it. So the, the switch, uh, is, it was $300 when it came out, and the switch ol lead was three 50, so it's a little bit more three 50. So you get that stuff? Yes. Gosh, [00:02:22] Frank: I feel like the one at the store was more around 400, but maybe I'm just forgetting. You know, they, you say there's three models. It felt like they had three models there and it didn't. It felt like there were even more models. I was looking for the bundles. Remember when the old Nintendo came out? I'm old. Remember when the old Nintendo came out and it came with the Super Marios? I was looking for that. They don't really do the bundles anymore, do they? [00:02:45] James: They do do the bundles. They just had a, a bundle for, I think, I think they did one for Zelda. They know they did one for, they do one with Mario Kart all the time. Uh, they usually do, and you can usually get bundles that are in there. Okay. Uh, often. Yeah. No, it's. They usually make so many of 'em, so they're custom X, Y, Z, but well, there's three. There's three. There's the switch, which is the original that you dock. It comes in a dock. The switch light is handheld only, so no dock. It's just everything's one system, boom. And then the ole is pretty much the same. Use the same detachable, joycons, nicer screen. Upgraded doc that has, um, a few other niceties in it, like ethernet. But in general it's an interesting time because it is six years old. You know, the PlayStation five series X is coming out. And when we think about it, I also think about hardware, right? I think about new iPhones and winds of refresh cycle, and we get 'em. Those things come out every year. When I look at these puppies, like they're coming out every six, seven years and there's a rumor mill, you know, the rumor mill ahead. Um, that pretty much, um, Pretty much that there's gonna be a new one. Okay. And then you said that you're thinking about buying this one. So then we now have a conversation on the podcast. Four minutes in, what should Frank do? Where are we at in the world of switches? Switch lights, right? Switch, pros, switch, whatever. Should Frank go on this model and how in the world did a. Nvidia Tegra X one slash x one plus from X plus eight years ago, nine years ago, live until now. Frank Kruger, the system on chip. This arm 4 64 bit beautiful processor that has four cores that run at one gigahertz, and this thing only has four gigs of DDR four ram. How did this thing. Just survive so long so that that's where we're at current. That's [00:04:48] Frank: interesting. Uh hmm. So the processing power is circa 2005. Desktop computer. Okay. Yes. Funny. Uh, for $300, $350, that's really not bad. If you're getting 2005 hardware, that's. That's really not so bad. Hmm. Put in that perspective. Uh, okay. Here's the problem. I, I acknowledged that it was a good device. I liked, uh, a lot that was on the screen. Here's my problem with it, James. I didn't like it as a device. Mm-hmm. The, the clickity buttons, which Nintendo usually has the best clickity buttons on the planet, felt very. I don't know what word to use or then I'm just gonna use the standard word cheap. They felt hollow and like there's wiggle room on 'em and I didn't like how they felt. I, I'm a, I'm a Super Nintendo entertainment system person myself and the buttons should feel that way and the buttons didn't feel that way. I was also a big game boy person and I wish the buttons felt like the game boy, but they are very distinctly not game boy feeling. And so, Uh, I, I decided not to buy it, but it wasn't a full decision not to buy it. It was a decision not to buy it then because the clickiness of the buttons really depressed me. Now, James, do we just have different standards? Do you have lower standards than I, or am I just not attuned to gamer clickiness these days? [00:06:17] James: No, I mean the, the buttons that are on the joycons, which are the deta detachable joy cons, they are definitely. More clickety and less mushy. Uh, everyone has their own opinions in general. Now, one thing that you might actually look at, if you're gonna put it on a doc and plug it into the TV or not, you can do it without the doc, is a lot of people like the pro controller 'cause it has more of the. Traditional setup. So the, the, the switch, like the buy that pro controller is like definitely awesome. It's like everyone's favorite. And especially if you're playing, uh, Zelda or any, you know, game that needs a lot of precision or things like that. It's definitely a way to go in general. 'cause else you're gonna hold up, detach the joycons. [00:06:59] Frank: Okay. Got you. Okay. So, uh, part of this whole conversation is I just wanna know what should I buy upfront? Like how, how does one get a switch and be fully immersed in the yummy switch experience? And so I was gonna ask, uh, I, I wanna play it on the tv. Do I have to buy a unit for that? You're already telling me, okay, I gotta buy a switch. I gotta get the old that one because it's 2023. Um, I need to buy the pro controllers, okay? Mm-hmm. Money's adding up here. Now I wanna play on the tv. Do I have to buy anything else? [00:07:33] James: No. No. The doc comes, the doc comes in. When you buy a switch, you're gonna get the doc, which you take the switch and you plug it into, and that has H D M I out, right? So you can. Plug it into the tv. Okay. And it's powered so that powers the switch, charges it and puts it onto the tv. I like how I'm describing how a Nintendo Switch works six years after it comes out to Frank Krueger. Yeah, that's in the box, Frank. You have, you don't gotta pay any extra for that. It's in there for up the three items. [00:08:01] Frank: Anything else? [00:08:02] James: It also comes with these joy cons that are detachable, that it also comes with little holders, so you can slide them in. So you can just have like a, you know, they call it the dog face controller. That's the little things that you slide into. Now, most people will buy a pro controller, okay? Mm-hmm. Um, so you'll need that. Now, beyond that, Frank Krueger, uh, these, these little puppies only have 32 or 64 gigs of, uh, hard drive space. Mm-hmm. Uh, built in. So you wanna get a nice, chunky, uh, uh, Micro SD card that slides right in the back right there. You know, you can just dime a dozen and just put 'em in there. Yeah. And then from there, you're just gonna need games. So that's really it. Now luckily the micro SD cards have come down a lot, but. You just need games. I have [00:08:48] Frank: noticed, uh, all the games are online these days, right? So I assume I can just buy the device and just buy everything on the device, right? We're we're, we're in the modern [00:08:56] James: era. Okay. Could buy it all on the e shop, a hundred percent, download it all. Or if you want the physical cartridges, I'm a physical cartridge type of guy. God, even though I have, I'm feeling [00:09:05] Frank: very old asking these questions, [00:09:08] James: uh, I'm like 50 50. 'cause some games are only download and some are obviously like in the store too. Uh, it just really depends. Uh, obviously when you. When you buy the game, it's just gonna do a verification check and you don't want to worry about it again. The only reason to maybe buy the physical is if you own multiple switches. You can install the game on both of them, but one's a primary and one's a secondary, and the secondary needs to do it. A verification check. To make sure, like you could, only one person can play it at a time. Kinda like Netflix, you only have so many people playing at a time, uh mm-hmm. In general. So that would, that's a nice thing if you have like a physical cartridge and then you can pass it around, uh, in general. But, you know, you could obviously go to your favorite GameStop or your favorite, uh, Video games swap and then pick up some nice used games in general, and you pick up the original Zelda, uh, breath of the Wild and spend about, I dunno, about 285 hours in that game. And then I, I think that's the thing is when I think about video games, like a lot of people are always like, well, $300, that's a lot of money. Well, you know, I go to the movies and that's like, what, 30 bucks? Whatever. And that's two hours of enjoyment. Mm-hmm. That's $15 an hour. But if I play the breath of the wild for, and if I just play only that game and that's it for 300 hours. That's what, a dollar an hour, that's pretty good return on investment. Yeah. You know, minus the other stuff. So maybe $2 [00:10:30] Frank: an hour. It's funny, I, I did that calculation the last time I did that calculation. I ended up with a PlayStation and it was for the game journey. Mm-hmm. Anyone out there? Any Journey fans? So, best game ever, I'm pretty sure I've talked about on the podcast a million times. Um, But I think that's the only game I bought for the PlayStation. Yeah. And I bought like the entire console all for just that one game. Because I did the math too. I'm like, yeah, I'm probably gonna spend upwards of 10 hours in this thing. Do [00:11:00] James: the math. Yeah. Now the real question ends up coming down is if Nintendo does release another council, you know, is it gonna be backwards compatibility? What's the cycle there now? Are you, you? Are you a Nintendo person? Is it, would this be your first Nintendo counsel since the SS n e s or something like that? [00:11:18] Frank: Look I Okay. Childhood traumas okay. We never had enough money to have the best hardware, so I never had the best PC hardware, so I never had the best games. Hmm. I'm quite accustomed to playing the best games five to 10 years later, so I have absolutely no problem while everyone else is going and getting theirs. Switch twos, switch two pluses, but, uh, hopefully breath of the wild will come down in $10 and I'll buy it at a $10 rebate. Even though it seems like it's holding its price, even though what Zelda two's coming out so it's out. That's, that's awkward. It's out. [00:11:55] James: It's out. Yep. Tears of the kingdom. Yep. It's out there. [00:11:59] Frank: Okay. Post summer gift to myself. Um, uh, lost track of what I was saying there, but, um, I, I'm, I'm used to playing stuff late, so I, I, I don't need to chase the shiniest new hardware because I'm here for the game, man. I, I want to go explore that forest and new hardware's not gonna change that forest. [00:12:20] James: No, I think that's a great way of looking at it. You know, I agree with you. I was always a one. One council or half a generation behind. Um, the only way I could get a super n e s was if I sold my n e s, which of course I didn't do until later on when the n e s super n e s came down in price. I didn't get an N 64 until later on the cycle. And then, you know, I. Eventually I was like, I'm gonna be a day one person once I got a job and I worked at GameStop, right? So I was, you know, day one or on everything. And I have been for a while. Um, and you know, I think it's really interesting 'cause I, I. I'm a big game pass subscriber person from Xbox. Love my, you know, series ss. Um, I've had a Nintendo Switch since day one. Heather has a switch light. Um, I've upgraded to the oled. My old one is a dedicated pinball machine at this point, which is great. Uh, and I've never played a console probably as much as I've played this one in a long time. And I haven't played a lot in the last few years because I've kind of just been so busy doing other stuff. Um, but. You know, I think in general, I think you're right, is when I look at the Nintendo Switch or any of the, the current councils, like, there's just a, the Nintendo Switch is great because you are, you would be coming into it with six years of choices. And the cool part about the switch that I like about so much, you know, I did an entire Nintendo podcast with my buddies, uh, as well, which we don't do anymore. But did you know, they eventually handed off into stuff. But the cool part is, What Nintendo did is when they released the wiu, which was not as, was not a success as much as the WI or the Switch. Obviously with the wiu there were great games, but not a lot of people played them because not a lot of people bought the wiu. So they ended up, over the years, not only releasing new games that are independently switch exclusive, they upgraded a lot of those. We U Games to the Nintendo Switch, which means to everyone else they look like new games. Like there are literally a plethora of games that have sold millions, 20 plus millions games. You know, games sold. Right. Just, and there's so many amazing games from Nintendo and from third party, like, yeah, because it's built on this X one tigre chip, and they've really made it a. Non-proprietary chip set. It's enabled developers like panic button for example, to figure out how to get games like Wolfenstein and Doom, not the originals, but the new ones, right. Running on the Nintendo Switch, which is running the super pretty old, you know, chip set at this point, which means you get to dip into all of those things, right? And I think that's what's really neat coming into it at this point is that it's. It's not gonna be the fastest console. It's not gonna be the highest crazy graphics resolutions, but the Nintendo games all look amazing, and to you, you're just gonna be like, this is great. I, [00:15:21] Frank: I, I really kind of wanna ze segue into the developer thing there. Um, because you, I mean, okay, so that's cool. So it, it's an arm chip. It sounds like you were reading me the specs earlier. It's an arm chip. Cool. We know how to program arm chips. We know how 64 bit works on there. Mm-hmm. And you were saying it's Nvidia, I'm curious what the actual graphics APIs look like from a developer perspective. Should we pivot into developer there for a second? 'cause I, I do wanna just keep going back to like, um, In some ways the hardware doesn't even matter. I I do have just one quick point to make. There I was watching some YouTube. I watch way too much YouTube and me YouTube. I was watching someone review old, uh, Knights of the Old Republic from the Xbox. And they got it running somehow on a modern PC running in like super high res and everything. And you know, I appreciate that they did that for the YouTube video, but I don't think I would enjoy the game as much be, I don't, to my eyes, because it was just too crisp. Uh, the crisp p polygons made the textures look blurry because the textures. Mm-hmm. Up sampled correctly. The environments weren't UPS sampled correctly. Um, and so you get this almost like uncanny valley. I, I feel like, so I almost wanna play games on the hardware they were designed for because I think that's where they're just gonna look their best and sweetest. [00:16:55] James: Yeah, it's always hard to emulation. I have like a retro, um, two plus, which like can emulate like everything under the sun and I have. Bunch of other old councils, but like actually playing a Game Boy game on a Game Boy Vance or a Game Boy color, like it's, to me just like brings a smile to my face of that retro classic 'cause that's what it was meant for. [00:17:18] Frank: Yeah, I will say if there's a game I play all the time and a new piece of hardware comes out, of course I'm gonna get the HD version of that game for that hardware because I wanna keep playing that game. I just, none of the games I ever played have survived console generations for me. [00:17:34] James: Yeah. So here's my synopsis. 17 minutes in, there's, I've watched a lot of, you know, different I G N and YouTube clips, and a lot of people right now are talking all about the Nintendo stuff. Like, the question is, should you buy a Nintendo switch in. 2023. Nearing the end of 2023. Yes. I think the answer is if you're not a person that needs the latest and greatest, I think it's still a good purchase. You know, the one fear would be like the switch to or switch pro, whatever they come out with comes out next year and then you're like, oh man, it's like $50 more. Maybe it's the same price, right? And you're like, oh, what do I do? Right? Then I would say to you and everyone this, and, and I'm really into to many of these metaphors, like, but you could have been playing Legend of Zelda for the last year. You know, what you could have had, how much more enjoyment, right? So there's that trade off in there. So do I still think it's a good investment? Like Yeah, I think it's actually a pretty good investment. Especially I have to imagine Nintendo do backwards compatibility, even if it's like a weird, wacky Nintendo way. Um, but also, you know, In the tradition of like, what I'm imagining will end up doing, I have to imagine of how Nintendo, because they're a company unlike any other, when it comes to hardware, which is they're not about losing money on hardware, right? Mm-hmm. They're not about breaking even. They wanna, they wanna make money on hardware. Like they're not, they're, they'll do other things like make it dockable in a weird thing to use a chip from, you know, 2005. 15, 2015. [00:19:04] Frank: Yeah. Okay. So like even the entire time you were talking about the number two, whatever, version two, all I kept thinking was, okay, I could wait a year and save $50 because I don't see the switch one. Maybe in two years it'll become cheap or just not on the shelves. Yeah. And then you get cheap used ones or whatever. But I see them dropping this price $50 and the new one coming out $50 more, or a hundred dollars more, because. It's 2023. Everything's more expensive now. Yeah. And so I think that's what's gonna happen. So I appreciate your news of the switch two, I appreciate. Do you think they'll, they'll get the X two chip? That, that'd be hot, but, uh, or it'll just be an X one, but I don't think I'll, I, I'll, I'll sweat it that much. Like you said, I'd rather be playing call the wild center row than later. [00:19:56] James: Yeah. It's interesting, you know, the chip set that powers the. The Switch is a Tegra X one. And I know this chip because I owned the original Nvidia Shield Android tv. And that thing was really cool because you could, it actually came with a game controller. You could play games on it. You could stream games to it. And that was back in 2015. And I think I even got the upgraded model from 2017 too. I really liked it before switching to Android tv. Uh, I'm sorry, from to Apple TV. And. The fascinating part is this is the exact same chip set that Nintendo is using in there. Right? So Nvidia used it almost as a reference set for the as Android tv. Mm-hmm. And funnily enough, the Google Pixel C uh, used it, which I think was like the, the tablet or whatever they did, uh, as well. Now they have an X one plus, which is what the OLED model uses, and some of the newer ones. And my assumption is they ran outta X one chips. That, that's my assumption on the street, right? Because they only make so many chips. Why would they still make this old, old chip? And then Nvidia did come out with a a, a newer Android TV in 2019. So the crazy part is like this chip is only being used in Android Shield TVs and Nintendo switches, and that's it. But to your point earlier, it's an arm. Cortex a 53, a 57 processor that is like kind of. Standards. An ARM 64 device, right? [00:21:24] Frank: Yeah, I was gonna say this is, this is where software kind of wins because it's a standard instruction set, so we have a million compilers that can output it. It's really just a matter of getting a operating system. Boots strapped on there. They chose Linux probably 'cause it's Android like you keep saying. So I assume they just went the Linux route and so it's kind of like, Good job software. We, we finally abstracted hardware to some degree. I mean, it's an identical instruction set and all that kind of stuff, but that just makes porting software to it easier and all the better, especially given all the Android developers out there. So James, Is it This also I, I wanna preface my question with this doesn't matter at all to me, but is there a developer story thing with this device? Can I click a button 30 times up, up, down, down left, right? Can I enable some developer mode on it or anything [00:22:20] James: like that? You know, funnily enough, I don't actually think you can. That being said, I believe you do need to be, well, I don't, I don't really know exactly how it works. I'm imagining that there is some sort of, Developer thing because there's tons of indie games, tons of tiny little games that are out there. I'm assuming that you have to get a developer kit. Uh mm-hmm. Or maybe they give you something that's in there. I'd have to go look it up. But, you know, unity supports, you know, this on Unreal Engine supports it. So like you could create a game in Unreal and C Sharp. And you get it running on the switch, for example. Right. And there's tons of Unity games that are out there that are doing that across the board. There's even mono game games that have been like recompiled down, uh, that were very, very popular. Um, like TowerFall for example, that was brought over. Or Celeste, for example, which is all Mono game, which are very popular Indie games. Uh, as well, there's tons of amazing games. Um, [00:23:19] Frank: I can't help myself. I'm gonna have to look all that up. Now, I want a dev kit. I always like to get dev kits. I wonder how much one costs [00:23:27] James: I can go to developer, I dunno how many lawyers I need. Developer do nintendo.com. Um, mm-hmm. Um, I feel like, I feel like I should know this, funnily enough. Um, yeah. Mr. [00:23:39] Frank: Developer, you should be on top of this. I have an excuse. I I choose not to write video games. That's not to say I wasn't a little bit interested. I mean, it's a giant screen. I was a little bit amazed with it finally in my hand, and I know every kid in the audience is rolling their eyes, but I was surprised at how large it is. I'm like, oh, okay. This thing really should just be running apps [00:24:02] James: also. Yeah, I think it's pretty straightforward to do it. Like there's a process here for it and you do have to put in a developer, uh, developer, You know, system, it says, create your account. Prepare for nten development. Sign into the portal, sign an N D A, gain access to SDKs dev portal. Information on how to get started, access to Nintendo Switch, require information, requires separate, blah, blah, blah. Develop your game, prepare to sell your game, and submit your imper. So maybe there is a developer mode that, that they unlock and connect your account or something like that. I'm very, very fascinated in how that works. Inside of it, [00:24:41] Frank: I am gonna port my favorite, uh, board game to the Nintendo Switch and we will report back. It will be a fun, ongoing series. It's a very simple game. I think I can do it. Boom. I think I can get approved. [00:24:59] James: I wouldn't say, why not? You, you know, it says individual or corporations, so you can register any of them. In general, there's all sorts of games. Um, and it says, can I work from home? And it says, yes. You, they accept home offices. Mm-hmm. So, perfect. There's that. So, so maybe you don't even need hardware, maybe. Geez. Wow. I, I feel like if you don't, I feel like I'm gonna register my intent to switch and just. Start developing something. Not ever fun, that's for sure. Yeah. Now are you [00:25:24] Frank: gonna go the Unity route or, I, I think I'm gonna be the nerd and because I can't help myself, I'm, I'm gonna read the docs and use like, the minimal project that they can open up and compile for it. I think I'm gonna go that way. 'cause I like to learn, I like to play with new platforms. So the real kicker will be if it's just like, use Android studio and write an Android app. Then it'll be like, oh, well that makes sense [00:25:48] James: too. Yeah, I don't think it's that. I do think it is Unity or c plus plus. So I think that that's pretty much it. But I mean, there's other things too, like obviously Unreal Engine, a few other things support it, but I think those compile down to run c plus plus in whatever code that that ends up happening in general for it. But yeah, I'm, I'm ex I'm excited for that. 'cause I think that makes a lot of sense. I just haven't really been a game developer, but I'm like, I built games for, what, what is this? It's a tablet. You know, with a touchscreen. Well, okay. [00:26:18] Frank: I do say I'm not a game developer, but the game I have in mind is small enough that I'd be willing to do it. I'm not a big game developer because oh my God, what a time sink they are. So anything beyond a simple board game or a card game, I would never put that much time into. But I think I'd be willing to do this one. I, I didn't at all mean to go this developer route. I really just wanted to talk about how cool Zelda is, how and how I'm looking forward to playing some Zelda, but now I'm excited to [00:26:45] James: port my board game. Well, when you think about it, Just because it's a game console doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be restricted to games. I could imagine a world where Ice Circuit three D has a touchscreen. I'm just saying, yeah. Could be on it. Fun. I know it's not probably developed in the correct way that would need to be ported over, but if you wanna port it over to Unity, You know, or to compile it down to c plus plus, like, I do think that that would probably do fairly well. You know, like there's keyboard applications, there's, there's programming IDs like on the switch, you know, in general, like to program in different languages and whatnot. There's full apps that are out there. You know, I think, and that's the same thing was true for Xbox for a long time and PlayStation, there's all sorts of different apps, right? There's apps and games now. These things are really multimedia devices. I think the switch is, is. Primarily more focused on games, but not a hundred percent, right? I mean, yeah, it has Hulu and Netflix and these other things that you can take on the go. So there are full apps that are in there. Uh, and that's the really interesting part is that these game consoles, this generation more than ever, have transformed into bigger tablets that either are just on your TV or on the go and on your TV at the end of the day. [00:28:00] Frank: All right. All right, so I gotta write a TV app, I've gotta write a game, and I've gotta pour ice circuit over to it. This all sounds doable, even though I'm also gonna put in 250 hours into Zelda, but Correct. It's gonna happen. And I actually, I I will give it a shot though. So we'll, we'll report [00:28:20] James: back. Okay. We can see right now, um, I can boot up because I'm pretty sure that I tried to get back into Zelda recently and I'm pretty sure that it was really hard for me to do. But if I'll look at my hours played. Oh no, it doesn't have it on this switch. My original one, but I was at like 200 and some odd hours, that's for sure. So I usually get [00:28:43] Frank: bored after round a hundred, but we'll see. [00:28:46] James: Depends on game. Not this game. It just keeps going. No, it, it's a game that keeps giving forever and like I would recommend just going, I've, I'm like three outta four guardians down. That's how I, [00:28:57] Frank: yeah. I ignore all story elements. I walk straight into the forest and kill as many bats [00:29:01] James: as I can find. So are. Is there a store on the island that you can go to and get this thing? [00:29:09] Frank: Oh, uh, I, the, the, if you ask the internet for something and if you're patient, it eventually arrives on your doorstep. I know. I don't know how any of that stuff works. I just, I click buttons and an Excel sheet changes, and then an nten switch arrives. Uh, but I was at a store. This, this all started because I actually, I was killing time waiting for a ferry and I went to a store. Mm-hmm. And that's when I was giving my quick demo and learned, I don't like the cookie, any click buttons of it, but I will try the Pro controller. Pro controller. We'll see how that goes. Yeah. [00:29:44] James: Is nice. Pro controller is like where it's at. Um, yes. You can get it. You can get the, the. The Legend of Zelda, tears of the Kingdom Edition. I'm pretty sure it does not come with the game. Mm-hmm. For 3 59. I think it's just themed, uh, else the, the, the OLED models are 3 49. It's amazing. It just hasn't gone on price like ever. Yeah. It's astonishing to me. It just keeps up there and then used to have bundles, but that was it. Yeah. Game. It's like game not included, but it just has like other things anyways. Yeah. Um. You just go buy it and probably just get it. And that would probably be great for you to have, uh, in general. And then we can become friends. That's cool. Even my friends code, it's still old school. [00:30:28] Frank: I, I like single player RPGs. Like I said, I just wanna go out into the forest and find all the paths that that's what I'm here for. I like all sorts of stuff. Well, the last time I, I was a completionist on Zelda. I was like, You know, you had to like push rocks, so I had to push every rock. I had to burn every bush. I had to explode every rock before I felt like I had actually finished the game. Yeah. So I plan [00:30:52] James: on doing the same. Uh, yeah, there's lots of rocks to be put, uh, pushed. And there's also shrine. So the whole thing is like there's shrines that you go into and then there's optional shrines. So you can be a shrine completionist and there's D Lwin model. Keep going. Yeah. Keeps going and going and going. Um, but anyways, I think your purchase will be great. I think that you'll enjoy it, and I'm excited to see how you report back. Uh, in general, if you can go locate. Sweet, sweet devices. So buying a Nintendo Switch in 2023, here it is. And now could you also use it as a, uh, tax or write off a business write off? 'cause you're gonna develop for it a hundred percent. [00:31:31] Frank: I mean, that's, that's the whole reason I was happy that had actually had to develop remote. I said I didn't have anything in, no horses on the rice, but I had a horse in that rice. So, yeah, a hundred percent. So it's gonna be a little bit of a race. Who gets theirs into developer mode first? Mine has to arrive first, I guess. [00:31:47] James: Yeah, that's true. I'm gonna register right now. Um, any other questions that you have Frank about, about the Nintendo [00:31:55] Frank: Switch? Okay, so I, I don't have to buy any, anything else? I need an SSD card, an Nintendo Switch, uh, the pro controller, and that was it. I'm good. [00:32:07] James: That's it. [00:32:09] Frank: Okay. I'm ready. I'm ready to join six years ago [00:32:13] James: or whatever. Micro SD you can get like a 5 12, 2 56. Doesn't have to be a terabyte. 2 56 is fine. I don't even know what I have in mind. Let me see. Let me, let me tell you what I have right now. I'm gonna have three [00:32:23] Frank: games, two Zeldas [00:32:25] James: and a Mario. 2 56. You'll be fine. I have like a bajillion games. Yeah, but you're rich. Oh, take out. That's a, I got mad at me 'cause I took out the SSD card. It's like I gotta power off. Um, anyways, yes, that's it. That's all you need to buy. Yeah. Okay, [00:32:43] Frank: great. Let's become game developers. James. Let's [00:32:47] James: do it. I'm registering right now. All right. Thanks for everyone for tuning in. Uh, if you have questions about the Nintendo Switch, you can ask us on the internet at mer conflict fm on Twitter, uh, or. On Merch Conflict Data fm, the website, there's a contact button. Uh, if you do own a Nintendo Switch and you have recommendations for Frank Krueger tweeted him at pclm. You can find that on the website. Give him all your sweet recommendations. Was I wrong? Should Frank have not purchased a Nintendo Switch? Let us know. We'd be super interested, but he's in now at, uh, wild Times. Uh, this gonna do for this week's merch complex. So until next week, I'm James Montemagno. [00:33:23] Frank: And I'm Frank Krueger. Thanks for listening. [00:33:26] James: And watching peace.