James (00:08):
Frank, from my understanding, you are an electrical engineer. Is this correct?

Frank (00:14):
Uh, eh, you know, that's a sensitive subject, but I'm going to go with yes. By training, not by practice for sure.

James (00:22):
Okay. So can you define electrical engineer for me in the classical term?

Frank (00:27):
Oh boy. Um, I suppose the fundamentals are we learn how to design circuits to accomplish certain tasks. So we learn the basics of electronics. We learned the basics of quantum physics these days in order to design microprocessors. And we combine that knowledge to create things all the way from microprocessors up to robots and machinery and basic electronics throughout your car, all that stuff.

James (01:00):
Now, as an electrical engineer, does this also mean that your an electrician?

Frank (01:07):
No, not in the slightest least. Oh man. I remember, um, I'm well getting through an electrical engineering degree back in college. And then we had to take a course on how high power lines work, especially in the United States, three phase power. And I thought I knew how actual city worked. And then we started studying that stuff and I was like, Oh my God. And then, uh, when it comes to like building your house to code as in legally adding electronics to your house? Uh, no, they don't really teach that to you in school, oddly enough.

James (01:46):
Yeah, I see. I always sort of lump them together because whenever I run into an electrical problem, the first person I go to is Frank. I go, Frank, how, how do I, what do I need to do here because I'm going to electrocute myself. I, all right. So the first thing that ever happened to me in electricity is the fact that I was trying to put in a smart outlet into one of the apartments I lived in. And, um, I'm pretty sure that I nearly Alexa echo electric heat myself because this person did not turn off the power and that's not smart. I did get zapped and, and it was, and it's happening. But, um, when I think of, of how little I know, uh, about how all of the things around me work, it kind of blows my mind like a dimmable light bulb. I have no idea how that works. Frank. Like I, there's a lever on a switch and that light bulb goes up and down if you buy a light bulb. But I believe that even though that is like an electrician thing, I have to imagine being an electrical engineer. You know how that works.

Frank (02:53):
Yeah. It's kind of one of those things where technically a physicist knows how everything, they just need to kind of specialize their knowledge so they can't like give you an answer very quickly. They have to sit down and work out the solution. So in the case of, you know, house wiring, basic light bulbs and things like that, um, I don't have the experience of a skilled electrician to like give you spontaneous answers about how you should do this or how you should do that. But give me, you know, five minutes to draw a diagram and then I can give you that answer. You know, I just have to think it through a little bit because I have to go back to basics basically of how the electronics are set up. It's not memorized. It's not wrote. I have to calculate everything. But, um, I love your first experience with wires.

Frank (03:40):
My first experience I was, I was raised in a fun family and we were kind of fearless and I remember just taking light bulbs, holding my fingers to wires on them and jamming them in the sockets in the wall. And that's how I learned how wall sockets worked and how much electricity is there. That's what I figure if kids can do that, um, well maybe kids shouldn't be doing that, but whatever, if kids can do that, then it's fine. James, you'll be fine. Just make sure someone's around you. The worst possibility there is if you have a pacemaker that can cause problems, but fury, young and healthy, you should be fine. A little heart, a Rhythmia. Never heard anyone.

James (04:20):
Well, I did. I did find something fascinating when it comes to not getting electrocuted. There's a tool, you probably know this, Frank, that will, um, you turn it on and you can point it or put it right next to let's say the inside of a light switch and it will tell you if the wire is hot or not. I don't know how that works cause the thing is coated in plastic, but it blows my mind and it goes beep and it lights up so you don't electrocute yourself.

Frank (04:49):
Oh this is where being a flashcard engineer, I can actually explain how this works, but I'll, I, I'll try not to bore everyone. Um, but this, uh, a lot of this has to do with um, the fact that there's so much going on here. James, I'm so excited for this topic. Let's just keep talking about electricity. Well, um, it's called electricity, but it's actually the electromagnetic force, electromagnetic spectrum, all that stuff. Electricity and magnetism are kind of the same thing. And anytime that you have current running through something, it's generating a magnetic field. And if you create a sensor that can detect magnetic fields, which can travel through insulation, the electrical, the electrical field, the electrons are stuck within side, the insulation of the wire, but the magnetic fields can escape. You have a sensor that can detect that magnetic field. You can tell if there's a current in the wire. That's one fun trick. How's that one?

James (05:46):
So it's not technically, it's so, so there's like a, a magical field around it is what you're saying is it's sort of like an orb, you know, I'm thinking like when I played video games, you would set up maybe in an audio sphere in your world. So the sound would emit emit in the sphere and there might be some overlap or whatever. So there's like this magical bubble of, of energy that this thing can pick up on.

Frank (06:13):
Yeah, yeah. It's, it's, you can almost think of it as magnetism and electricity are two reflection symbols, perspectives of the same thing. It's just, it's hard to conceptualize that one. Same thing. And so we break it down into these two elements, but it's really fun when you start mixing them. It's how a lot of sensors work is by mixing these two, uh, ways that electricity exists. Uh, but there's a second thing happening also, and that's an, um, at least in America I, your house is flickering at 60 Hertz. Power's going on off on, off. Well, it's not actually going on off. It's going positive, negative, positive, negative. And that is an old, old vestige. There's a lot of reasons for it. But we pick 60 Hertz because we thought that's a good speed for a motor to run and it's a good speed for lights to flicker. And so we settled on 60 Hertz and that's how our power goes on and off here in America.

James (07:16):
Is this also the AC versus DC conundrum? Does that 60 Hertz associate with that? Because I know that those, cause those we power just runs vastly different through all different parts of the world. There's a different adapters everywhere at different voltage everywhere. Does that 60 Hertz also have to do with that AC DC

Frank (07:34):
shenanigans? Oh yeah, it absolutely does. So when we decided on a C alternating current, we did that for a few reasons. Um, there is less power loss over long distances. So you could have a power station very far away and you lose power. That's directly, uh, there are safety reasons also where DC can, you know, hang onto something constantly feeding power through you. It can be damaging. So there there's safety reasons too. But um, just because we want alternating current, we have to pick a speed and that's a little bit arbitrary. That's why America chose 60 Hertz. Europe and a lot of the rest of the world chose 50 Hertz. Um, and it's a little bit scattered, 60 Hertz and 50 Hertz. That's why you'll see back in the day, um, the wall adapters used to be very particular about what voltage they could handle, what frequencies they can handle. These days we use pretty advanced, um, wild warts and they can handle a good mixture of all that.

James (08:37):
So that's sort of sort of lets you go all over the world and still just really just have an adapter. It's not even, there's nothing inside as an adapter. It's like a pass through almost just to,

Frank (08:47):
yeah, if you were a kid you could take two wires and jam it into the wall if you didn't have an adapter, but otherwise the echo by the $5 adapter. Gotcha. Now,

James (08:56):
there's another thing I want to talk about here about how electricity works and a lot of this, um, is because I've been attempting to figure out different smart switches and, and lights and stuff and understanding like even in, in our apartment right now, I just have like huge stuff, but I, I'm trying to go through this, um, this theory of like w how does the wall work, what are the different smart switches that are out in the world and how does that work with my actual setup here in, in the apartment. And, um, the fascinating part is I've learned something about light switches, Frank. Um, this is, this is really what we're, we're talking about electricity by the way. People on this podcast. And if you don't want to hear about electricity, then I don't care cause this is what's happening in the world. Uh, Frank and James right now. Um, IOT home improvement. Yeah. So light switches are fascinating and this is what I'm learning. Uh, they sorta blew my mind. Did you know that there are two different kinds of light switches? There's either a single pole or a three-way light switch and they're completely different in the same all at the same time, Frank.

Frank (10:04):
Yeah. And you're, you're leaving off Deming also write that into the mix. Yeah. Yeah. It gets comp. This is where the, um, the electrician in me starts to fail. I'm like, okay, I can draw your diagrams of how these things should work. Single pulse to go throw. That's actually something we use in electronics. That's your most, um, basic switch where, um, you can think of two wires and the switch either connects them or disconnects them on off single pole as in one little whatever. It doesn't matter. Single pole, single throw meaning one switch, one little lever. So that's your most basic wonderful switch. If only life was all single pole, single thread switches,

James (10:47):
that's like all of our electronics that I'm thinking about. Right. It's like when I turn on mine and Tendo switch, like I press a button or I flip, I flip something on my computer or, or your drone for instance, you, you know, you flip on a, you flip on a thing and now it's, it's sign of a single pole. It, it's a single throw that's literally making a circuit happen or not happen.

Frank (11:10):
Yes, exactly. Yup. That's your, that's the, that's the nice switch. That's your basic wall switch. And those are easy to figure out because he can conceptualize them pretty easily. Other switches get more complicated. So in electronics we would call this the next one up on the difficulty list would be a single pole double throw. And this one is for connecting two different circuits together. There's different ways to conceptualize it, but um, it would have three pins on and in one position, um, two of the pins would be connected in another position. Another two of the pins would be connected, the other two pins would be connected. Um, whatever I said that wrong cause there's only three pins, but you can imagine one common pin and then you're alternating between the other two pins. That is your single pole. Double throw. And I think that that's what you mean by your other switch. Tell me the properties of [inaudible],

James (12:09):
the switch you mentioned. Well there's the three-way you mean? Yes sir. So there's a three way and even a four way. So here is a three-way because I have grown up for 33 years of my life rank and I never knew how any of this worked and it blows my mind and let in all of us. So three-way, we've all used it. You can imagine your in a hallway. Great example. You're in a hallway and there's a light in the middle of the hallway. So picture this. In fact, maybe look at your hallway, you're in a hallway, there's a light in the middle and there are two light switches. One on each end of the hallway. Now those light switches work in harmony. When you flip one, it turns it on. If you flip the other one, it turns it off. It doesn't change the other one. So there's, it's like the inverse of, of the other ones. So like when you turn on one, you can turn off that one or you can turn it off in the other way. But the ups and downs don't necessarily mean on off. They're an indeterminant state because the on-off is determined by the state of the other switch. Does that make sense?

Frank (13:22):
It sounds to me like you have a bad electrician. That sounds absolutely terrible. Well, here, answer me one question, but just for clarity, um, is there a physical indication on these switches? Like are they physically in a position or are they moments?

James (13:35):
Terry switches their physical to physical.

Frank (13:39):
Okay. So you can, you can get into an awkward state where one switches up, one switches down, but the lights are on. Correct. I hate that. I hate that I had that as a child and I would just complain to my dad and my, can we please fix the switches? There should be an invalid state.

James (13:54):
It really shouldn't be. Yeah, that's crazy. And then, and then so and then there's the four way switch and a four way switch allows you to do that. But up to three, which even gets even even crazier and it doesn't make a lot of sense because when you think of three-way you would think that there's like three switches. But no, it's only two switches. And the light bulb was really the third way of handling it. And how that works is there's like a traveling wire that connects to the other ones to sort of give it the state. So the other switch is sort of aware in a way of the other one and, and flips, flips it on and off. It's very crazy. Yeah. So

Frank (14:28):
sounds fine. But I, if it was my house, I would have to do momentary buttons for these switches then so that they're not locked into those physical positions. Cause it would drive me nuts to see a down switch. But I buy it on, I just, I can't handle that. So, um, I can handle, because I do IOT stuff of light switch up and the light off cause I'm like, ah, the lights just choosing to be off for the moment. But it could be on if it wanted to be, but if it's down it should be off. So momentary switches and those are good because a lot of the IOT while, uh, uh, switches buttons are that they're momentary. So you just press it down, you press it up. Up means on down means off simple life. It's good. Yeah. And to me light switches shouldn't, I shouldn't even have an on off state.

Frank (15:19):
I think you're right. To me it's just do the inverse of whatever's currently happening cause I can see if the lights on or off, like I don't understand why we live in this, this, um, constrained system in which there is an up and down. Like, why is there even a state, I know it's visual and it's probably important in that regard, but it kind of blows the mind because if 90% of of the apartment is an on off switch where there's a physical ons physical off because it's a single pole, but then you have these magical three-ways, then all of a sudden now, now, now everything's thrown out the window because who knows, right. [inaudible] even not even helpful at that point. Uh, you're, you're giving me a Kickstarter idea, dude, we should make a switch that's tied to the state of the light bulb, not tied to the state of the other switches just tied to the state of the light bulb.

Frank (16:11):
Cause that's what you want in the hall. You just want to have, it's a very long hallway, five different switches that all affect the same set of lights. Uh, that's fine. Yeah. So you just want those tied to the light bulb not tied to each other. So that is kind of old tech tying the switches together instead of tying them to the bulb itself. You get into that weird thing of up and down buttons. I, I'm so pathetic. I complain about so many things, right? I go to my parents' house and they have a, um, one of those panels with like eight switches on it and they're like, Oh, haven't you memorized it yet? The second one over, it's for that light. The third one over is for that. Like the fifth one over is for that. I'm like, Oh my God, this is terrible.

Frank (16:53):
It all should just be a IOT with cutesy names like I have. It's very true. Yeah, it makes it very complicated. AC just like all these ones pop up, blah blah blah. Uh, now let me ask you, because we did kick this off by Denver, here's how I think dimmers work. And here's how I've pitched this to Heather in the past where I was trying to figure out how a dimmer work and I was like, I'm pretty sure this is how it works, but I'm pretty sure it could be wrong is here's my, here's my understanding and this is what I've taught for 33 years. And I hope I'm correct cause it could be wrong. My thought is that how the dimmer works is that it is manipulating the way, maybe not the wavelength, but the power throughput. So it's literally modulating the power through it.

Frank (17:39):
So I don't know how many, let's say it's 40 Watts, it's literally adjusting the power that is sent to said light bulb. Yeah, sure. I mean it would kind of have to be because yeah, more power you give to a light bulb, the brighter it gets until it explodes, you know, there's limits. Um, um, but the question becomes, okay, how do you change the power then? And I think that there is basically two, uh, there's so many solutions to this problem. You can even do this with, um, transistors these days. But I think in like cheap home electronics, they do it differently. Um, the first way, and this is terrible, you're going to hate this, but some people just put a resistor, uh, in the light, a variable resistor, and that resistor is eating up a lot of the power. It's converting that electrical power into heat turns out so it can get warm a little bit, but because it's absorbing that power that the rest of the power doesn't get to the light bulb itself, simple, elegant, can't really complain about it.

Frank (18:52):
Uh, that's what we used for years, many, many, many years because no one really cared about efficiency. It's like, wow, it gets a little warm. That's nice. You know, who doesn't mind warm? Especially because everyone was using a hundred watt light bulbs. Who cared if there was a resistor eating 50 Watts as long as it didn't get too hot and cause a fire or anything. Yeah, yeah. Huh. But, but now there's different levels you can get to here. Um, with modern electronics like transistors, you can do, um, power conversions. Also, you can build amplifiers even though usually we use the term amplifier to mean making a signal bigger. In this case you can use it to make the signal smaller. So that would be a very fancy modern way to do it. But there's an even simpler way to do that using something, well, I don't even know about simpler.

Frank (19:54):
I was trying to like rank these and simplicity and all that and I'm finding my hierarchy is not working very good. But let me tell you about the last one. I can think of a transformer. Have you heard of a transformer? Yeah, I have. Yeah. Transforms things like robots into from, from like a car from into being in disguise, to not being a disguise. I guess transformers are used to convert electrical power from one level to another and they take advantage of that wonderful magnetic field that I was talking about before. A transformer is two coils, two copper coils. You've must've seen, you must've taken apart, um, some electronics before and saw a bunch of copper wires coil together. Of course. Yes, yes. Like a little spring in a way. Oh yeah. Yeah. That one might've been an inductor. So what a transformer is, is two inductors right by each other.

Frank (20:54):
Now get this, this is the fun, crazy part about how a transformer works. Okay. So imagine you have two coils. Uh, both coils have, you know, two ends to them. Uh, so one on the left, one on the right, so four total little points. We'll call the left hand one the input, and we'll call it the right hand one. The output. So to the left hand coil, I connect whatever pile I want. Let's say power from the wall, from the, from the street, from the power station. You know, lots of volts, 110 volts, 60 Hertz. But I want my light bulb to be dimmer. Um, like I said before, that, uh, current going through that coil, it's gonna produce a magnetic field. Here's what's fun. The two coils are so close to each other that that magnetic field causes another magnetic field to form in the other coil.

Frank (21:51):
They're so close. They're like magnets. One magnets inducing a magnetic field and the other one crazy. Okay. But here's the crazier part where there's a magnetic field, there has to be current. So that magnetic field ends up generating current on the other side. And just by how closely aligned these two coils are to each other, you can change how much power is going from one side to the other because they're magnetically coupled with each other. Wow. That is, that's crazy. Cause you kinda, it's almost like how Yamaha magnets work when you get magnets to close. Just the, there's the energy in between them. So you're saying only these two electrical coils based on that are able to make the adjustments. Yeah. So they're there. You could think of it in your head is converting electrical power to magnetic power and back to electrical power. But really to the physical world, they're all the same thing and they're just inducing each other.

Frank (22:50):
The fun fact about this one is this is how electricity was first discovered. We first discovered the generator, the backwards motor. Instead of applying electricity and getting a spinner, we would just spin it and we would get electricity and that that is two coils next to each other. One more time. Um, or you're inducing a magnetic field, whatever. You're trying to build a main medic field somehow where there's a magnetic field, there has to be electrical current. They can't exist without each other except in a permanent magnet. That's complicated. Go to college, go to college for that or read a book. You can read a book. You don't have to go to college. You read it. There's a book books for that. Yeah, and that's what this is. What's amazing by the way, is that that happens every single day inside of our walls constantly. All everywhere. There's so, so much

James (23:46):
electricity going up there. A wall is. It is all these are like, I have never sat down for 25 minutes to think about how any or no one explained this to me. How this worked, right? I mean, maybe people are listening like quoting oil, electricity works, James DOE. But I mean, I guess I never really thought about it because you just flip a switch and it just turns on. There's no

Frank (24:10):
Mmm.

James (24:11):
You know, rationale behind it. Now, when I, when I went to school back in mind, we had a fun electrical engineering science class. It was more in science, but it was around electrical engineering. What you would do is you would take a battery Frank move and you'd take a battery, you take a battery and back and batteries have a, um, different ends to them. There's like a positive and a negative sign. I don't know if you know that.

Frank (24:36):
Hmm. I've seen it. I see. I've seen the plus, I assume. Yeah.

James (24:40):
And there must be a negative on the other side. So what we would do is we would take a, a light bulb, um, that was there and you could do, there was something that you hook these wires to, I think it's to the battery and you kind of create a gate. There's like a gate in between. You could sort of open the lever and close the lever to signify a light switch and you would create that in class. And if I go back in time, I think it was like a light bulb that was sort of drilled into a piece of wood in a, you know, screwed in. And then there was the two wires that would go into, um, the light bulb. And this was at MoMA sponsoring like fourth grade, fifth grade, something like that. And that, that was the extent I believe of, of how electricity was taught to me. That there was like a little thing. So we actually did, if I, if I go back now, having digested as if I go back to 10 year old James, I mean, I guess I did learn how a light switch worked. I must have, but it wasn't explaining here's a single pole, here's this. It was more like, here's these wires, right? Oh, connect these wires to a battery and boom, it works.

Frank (25:45):
Yeah, it's, I, you know, I was surrounded by electricity my whole childhood. Um, aren't we tank, aren't we all? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Got me there. Games. Um, when you're talking about your light bulb though, I was thinking my grandfather used to test his batteries with a little tiny light bulb with these two tiny wires hanging off of it. A very well homemade contraption. And that's all I was thinking about when you're talking about that. I was surrounded by back kind of electricity. My father is actually a full on electrician. He is in fact a journeyman electrician, which is about the highest rating you can get as an electrician. Wow. So yeah, you would think I would get a lot from osmosis, but it's really complicated for a young person to absorb all that stuff. And so I picked up quite a bit from him. Um, especially when I was jamming wires into the walls.

Frank (26:40):
He would explain that that's not safe and to, he would actually like give us a, uh, give me a soldering iron. So I would try to build better attachments to, uh, safely connect to the wall and all that stuff. But like you, I didn't understand really what was going on and honestly, I didn't until I took a circuits class in college because, um, you can pick up a lot. Uh, and you know, that class was hard. I almost, I almost dropped that degree after that class. I was like, Oh my God, I don't ever want to touch a circuit ever again. And if there's only some sort of application that was out there that would teach you how you could connect to multiple like wires kind of together and to form circuits and kind of sketch this out. I mean, that's probably a million, million dollar idea. That's funny.

Frank (27:32):
That's funny. So you're obviously talking about ice circuit and funnily enough, um, I've gotten requests from people saying, Hey, this is a good app for electrical engineers, but this isn't a great app for electricians who want a whole different way to kind of draw their circuits and conceptualize things and plan things. And I'm like, yeah, that is kind of like a whole different app. Even though fundamentally it's all the same physics, it's all the same theory. Um, it's, it's a different industry. You know it's a different profession. A different specialization. Yeah. You know, it'd be cool. Here's an app idea for you Frank and uh, only you could pull this off because you already, you've already written it cause you, you're right. Like it's a special flavor of this. What if you took I circuit and call that I electrician and then what you did is what if you could like map out your house or your apartment and what you could do is you would have the single pole three-way four way outlets, light bulbs.

Frank (28:36):
And what you could do is you can like a map in link wire your house because when you move into an apartment or to a house, you have no idea how that thing is wired. I mean in general like everything's crazy. You're just flipping on and off switches. Right. Imagine you could assign what circuit breaker this light is on. Cause I was, I was poking around in the apartment looking at different smart light switches and stuff. And I was flipping [inaudible] circuit breakers in the apartment and inside just the kitchen, there were three, there was two switches side by side and another outlet next to it. All three were on different circuit breakers. It didn't make any sense. Yeah, yeah. Boggling boggled. My mind boggled. And then you bring in switches and outlets into it. You know, like there could be two or four outlets and a little housing and who knows how it's wired. Honestly, you just hope you had a good electrician and they pick something vaguely intuitive. But it could be random. They could all be on different breakers, they could all be on different switches. So, um, an existing house is a real pain. I love this app idea. I'm working on an app right now. We're going to finish that and then you and I are going to work on this one. It's going to be glorious.

James (29:52):
I like it. I like it. All right. Yep. There we go. Electricity one Oh one Frank teaches James electricity.

Frank (29:58):
Well, I don't think I did. If my father was listening to this episode. He's like, he didn't mention anything important. Oh, here's a fun factoid. I'll tell you something important I learned. Okay. This is code. This is code in America. We have the little, the little face for our electrical outlets, the two vertical slots and then a little mouth. Yup. You know what I'm talking about? Yup. Yup, yup. Did you know that the mouth is supposed to go on the top? No. Yes. To code baby. Yep. At least New York code. I don't know everyone's code. Yeah, because that is your earth ground. That is the thing that is always supposed to be safe and the theory is that if something fell along the wall that happened to be metallic, say a knife or I don't know, think Victorian problems and if that fell down, if the two things on top, those actually have power going into them. If you arc those two things, fire. So you put the mouth at the top, there is your PSA for today.

James (31:03):
Wow. We didn't even talk about GFC eyes either. So that's good. That word means is that, is that the safety circuit, is that that is the safety circuit. Yes. That's the electrical incident. Ground fault circuit interrupters. Obviously. Come on Frank.

Frank (31:21):
Well, I know what career I am not going to be able to do. I'm assuming I could read a book and get caught up on this electrician stuff.

James (31:29):
That's like the, yeah. When we moved into an apartment building, it was brand new and the G FCI, which is get ground fault circuit interrupters. These are the ones that are like outside or they are by water usually. Okay. These are in your bathrooms and your kitchens in your laundry rooms. It was tripped and they had to have an electrician come out and, and, and replace it and reset it or whatever. And something was wrong. It was brand new building and it was just, yeah, completely messed up. So

Frank (31:57):
yeah, new buildings, they take time to shake out. My poor father, he used to have the most amazing stories of, you know, someone just built a house and they're, they're basically redoing all the wiring because the contractor made some weird decisions.

James (32:12):
Yeah. We didn't even w you know what's the old, what's the old electricity electrical wire that's in all of these, uh, Seattle houses. Um, pool pool and wire pulling. Oh yeah. What? It's happening. Knob and tube. Knob-and-tube. Oh, it's growth. Oh God. That's just a fire. It's probably covered in its bestest too. Yeah. Oh, okay. Last thing before we get to your fun factory. Ready for this now a G FCI. I learned this. This is through, this is through my kitchen research. The GFC, AI. You, let's say you have two outlets in your bathroom. One's a GFC, AI, and the other one's not. And you might be thinking to yourself, why are these both the GFC eyes? Did you know that if one GFCI outlet is connected to another outlet, then magically they're both G FCI. So like if the non-G FCI is tripped, it'll trip it because it's connected to a G FCI.

James (33:09):
I was crazy. Ah, okay. So in electricity we'd say they're series connected. So when one breaks the circuit at this connects the other from the circuit. That's neat. Yeah. Usually you do things in parallel. So if you blow one thing, you don't blow everything else. But I could see the benefits of doing it in series and a bathroom. Well there you go. Merge conflict listeners, you just learned about electricity outlets and light switches. I hope you enjoy this podcast because I know I did frame. I honestly, somehow I've cleansed myself from a week long of intense coating and now this feels good. This feels good. Yeah, I got, I got to talk about an induced electromotive force. I mean who doesn't love that made your weekend, that's for sure. So mutual inductance baby. Oh yeah. Well if you want to hear more about electricity, go to merge conflict out FM because there at least be this podcast there or also our cool IOT episodes. Give those a look as well cause they're all sort of related in a way. And if you're doing some remodeling in your house, let us know right into us gutter merge conflict NFM or hit us up on Twitter at James mountain Magno at pro Clara or at merge conflict of FM. So it's the next time there's been another merge conflict. I'm James Monza Magnum,

Speaker 3 (34:24):
and I'm Frank Krueger. Thanks for listening.