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What is up everybody?

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Welcome back to another episode

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of the Hybrid Ministry Show

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I am your host, Nick Clason

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here with you as always

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and if you’ve been here the last couple of weeks

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you know that we’ve been doing some different interviews

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It is with my brother, Nate Clason

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Good morning, Nate, how you doing bro?

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I'm doing pretty good.

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Probably not better than

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your wife, though, right?

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Don't say that to

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in front of anyone.

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You know, True.

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Well, I’ve known you longer

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That is true.

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But not too much longer, so.

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That’s probably what I’m thinking

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when I say that

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Nate, give us all

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a little bit of background

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what’s been your church

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youth ministry, student ministry

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experience and story

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kinda get that conversation

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out of the way

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set a little bit of a baseline

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as we dive into this

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social media discussion

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Yeah.

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So I felt called

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to, ministry at a Mexico

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missions trip.

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when I was in high school,

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a late high school,

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and actually kind of fell off.

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my journey a little bit.

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my journey a little bit.

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Kind of started

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serving, working

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in, like,

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the public work, you know,

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the secular work environment

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and just kind of saw

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I wasn't called

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the ministry anymore

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and got connected

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one day at my custodian

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job at a school

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with, a pastor's wife

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who was subbing at the school.

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And I told her,

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we were talking about music,

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and she found out

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that I could play

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a little bit of guitar,

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and she asked if I could

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help with her church worship

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and got connected that way.

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And through that,

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got connected

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with a, leader

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in that denomination

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who eventually got me ordained

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and got me connected

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with other pastors.

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Eventually,

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where I became a youth pastor.

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And now I'm

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serving in a little bit

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of a bigger church

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in the Taylorville area

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as the associate pastor

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of student

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ministry and worship ministry.

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So it started

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with worship ministry

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and kind of

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evolved into youth.

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And I never kind of

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saw that coming,

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but praise

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God that he got me to kind of

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where I felt

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called to years ago, you know?

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So that's cool.

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Yeah, so

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the gateway drug

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to your youth ministry

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was worship

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Yeah

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That’s where you started

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as you can tell

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by the man bun.

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Right?

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Yeah

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Or something about that manbun

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We won’t talk about that

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But

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You started doing youth ministry

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When you jumped into

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youth ministry

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What at that point

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was your like understanding

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or your relationship

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with digital and social media

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and all that type of stuff?

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I've always kind of

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been, like.

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I've always been aware

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of social media.

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Never knew how important

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it was to student ministry.

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I didn't really,

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it was actually post Covid

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when I really.

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Well,

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in the middle of Covid

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that I started

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getting involved

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in student ministry.

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And,

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I didn't have

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too many platforms.

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And my first church

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was social media,

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mostly through Facebook.

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I had that's pretty

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much it for my first church.

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And I mostly connected

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with parents on that platform.

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and I realized

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that probably wasn't

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a strength.

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so here, though,

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I would say that I've,

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I've kind of adapted, adopted,

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Instagram, Facebook.

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I created a TikTok.

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And Nick,

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I know you're so passionate

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about YouTube,

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me and Jessica have been

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talking recently,

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my wife,

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about the idea

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of getting on YouTube here

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soon,

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just because I feel like

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that'd be a bigger,

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overall

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reach for our students

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to, to have us on YouTube.

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But I'm not super connect.

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I wasn't super connected

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initially to social media.

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I would say that.

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So what was the

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What would you say was

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the driving force

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or the catalyst

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to get you connected

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to some of those things?

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Like what was your “aha” moment?

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If there was one? 

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well, I think seeing you,

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like, super

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passionate about it

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and watching your podcast

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really, honestly like,

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and your

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different videos and clips

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on like TikTok and stuff

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on like TikTok and stuff

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of how important

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social media is

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kind of drives me

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to make sure I have that.

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And like really,

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a lot of that

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is truly

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from like your passion for it.

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And I'm seeing other leaders

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saying, hey, you know, like,

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this is a new era.

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It's no longer like

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you're not going

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to meet in person

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as naturally and as, as,

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as often as you like.

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And there's going to be kids

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that don't make it every week.

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So it's like

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it's good for them

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to have

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some sort of

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avenue of seeing,

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some of the stuff

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that we're talking about,

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even if it's just like a recap

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or whatever,

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just to kind of give them

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a basis of

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what we're talking about. So.

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Yeah, no doubt

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I would agree

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But that feels obvious, maybe

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So tell people

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I think it was helpful

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Because you’re a guy

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Who is like

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What I would deem as

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like a lot of other youth pastors in America

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You’re just kinda like

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jumping from week to week

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program to program

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like making sure you got a game

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making sure you got a message

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making sure you got a small group

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making sure you got enough leaders

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making sure you got enough leaders

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like all the things

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all the like whirlwind

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elements of just being a youth pastor

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and then

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you got someone like me

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who’s telling you

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“you need to get on social media”

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“you need to get on social media”

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speak to somebody

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who’s in the space that you were

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a year, year and a half ago

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that’s like

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“Yeah that sounds awesome”

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“I would love to”

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“There’s no way I could ever do it!”

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“It’s too hard”

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“It’s too much”

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It’s too...

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Whatever. Fill in whatever

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blank of why it’s

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why it’s not

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gonna be achievable or possible

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talk to somebody who’s in that

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in that sorta space

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like you were not too long ago

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Yeah.

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Well, there is a way to

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connect all your

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social media platforms

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so that when you post on

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it, posts on all of them,

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I think that's

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a big part of it.

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And honestly,

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I don't even

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like for some things.

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Like for my pictures,

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it goes from Instagram

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to Facebook.

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They're connected.

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But for some reason

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whenever I do a reel or video,

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they're not.

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So I have to go in

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and do it myself.

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Somehow.

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I'll have to

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figure all that stuff out.

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But,

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that's a part of

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it is like,

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if you haven't connected in

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some way to the same email

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and to the same connection,

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like you can link it

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so that when you post on one,

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it goes to all of them.

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And honestly,

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like not

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everyone sees each platform

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and sometimes they do.

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And that's okay.

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But I think it's

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just so important to know

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that kids are on,

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students are on

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these platforms,

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and they're

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looking for inspiration,

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they're looking for hope,

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and it's our way

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to kind of minister to people

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through the social

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media platforms

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that God has

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really entrusted us

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with as youth pastors,

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if we're on them,

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to do

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the right things on their

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not just not just,

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and it's

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good to have fun things

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and different activities

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and different

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like kind of goofy

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things for kids to kind of,

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you know, be by.

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But it's also good to have,

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you know,

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content

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that could inspire

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and change lives.

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and I, I've seen,

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aspects of both,

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you know, so it's good.

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Yep.

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So like that’s like the big

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picture reason.

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Students are on it...

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We should be on there...

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helping redeem those moments

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I like to think about

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in the Bible

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the Apostle Paul was using like

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pen and paper

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and then like mail carriers

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to like get his message across

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today I would envision that

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He would be using something like digital

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Exactly.

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Pretty vigorously

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to get his message across

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So that’s the big picture, “why”

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Yeah, Yeah

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Students are there, It’s important

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Talk about like

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What it took from just like time management

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Talk about what it took from like

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platform understanding

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You, I feel like

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correct me if I’m wrong, but

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I feel like you had to

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get to know how to use

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a lot of these tools

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talk to someone who may be

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in the space

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“I want to- I don’t even know what

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to do. Or how to do it.”

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Or like what’s even

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possible

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Or what ever I should do.

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Like get real practical

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You know,

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I think

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it doesn't take as much time

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as you think.

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I mean, yes,

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creating the video.

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I mean, you never,

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I think, was like

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creating a short

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or like a reel.

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You never want to make a reel

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any longer than a minute

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or so like that.

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So you really

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it doesn't take that long

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to create that video.

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If you could do it in

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1 or 2 takes, like it's

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not a big deal with that.

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And then

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that's a big part of,

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what students look at.

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They don't watch

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like long videos.

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They're not going to watch

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a 20 minute video.

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But if you can keep it

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a minute, you know,

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that's more realistic

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for them to kind of,

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you know, dive into it

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and interact with it.

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and I think

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a lot of

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it is like interaction,

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like if you, you know,

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what did you learn from

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this video?

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You know, make comment in the

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in the comments, tell us who

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who won this in this game or

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and I don't think it's

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I don't think it's,

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it's as much it's not as time

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consuming as you think.

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It's I mean,

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some people are

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slower than others

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and some people

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are faster than others

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at getting stuff done.

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But once you kind of

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get the bearings

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and the grip

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on, on different

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like ways of doing things,

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and you're in

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kind of your groove on things,

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it becomes pretty natural

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and second nature

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and pretty fast stuff done.

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I do a kind of a good amount

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of social media stuff,

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with even both worship

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and youth a little bit.

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Not as much with worship,

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but some.

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And it's like

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it's really

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it doesn't take that much time

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to, to post stuff, I think.

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yeah, that's that's

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an encouraging thing

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to think about.

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It's like

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it's not going to take

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you forever

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to get a couple posts

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out, a day

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or maybe several week.

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I think it's good to have

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at least one a day or,

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you know, multiple a week.

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So you can kind of

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get keep interacting

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with your students.

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So I don't know,

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is that what kind of answering

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your question? Okay.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I mean there’s like...

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I can’t remember, exactly

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I’m trying to look it up right now

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But there’s a book, the concept

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is called like “1,000 Hours”

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Maybe it’s 100 hours

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I’ll put the link in the

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shownotes if you’re interested

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I’ll figure it out

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But the concept

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is like

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No one is gonna be good at anything

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until they spend

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some time on it.

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And so if you feel intimidated

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by something

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of course you’re gonna

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feel intimidated by something

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new. It’s new!

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That’s what new stuff does

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None of us are good

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at new stuff right away

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And I think it’s really telling

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to your point

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You were in that boat

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And you were like:

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“I don’t know”

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Just to shed a little bit of light

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When I was telling you

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you should

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dive into some of this stuff

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You were like:

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“I don’t know man...”

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“I don’t really do that type of st-”

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“I don’t really do TikTok”

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“I don’t really do any videos”

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And I was just like:

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“Hey just try it. It’s not that hard.”

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Yeah.

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And so to hear you say now

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a year and something later

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“It’s not

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doesn’t take as much time.

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as you might think.”

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Yeah.

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That’s a good word on that

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The more time you

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spend on something

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the better you’re gonna get with it.

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Yeah.

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And so like

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I had one of our

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interns yesterday, say

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something about

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like video editing

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She was like

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“I wanna help you edit video”

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“I wanna do more video editing.”

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cuz she also wants to learn

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And I just looked at her

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I was like:

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“You just gotta do it.”

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Yeah.

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Like doing it is the key

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Sit down with it

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And the more you like

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sit down with it, spend time on it.

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The more you can get it done

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Yeah.

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I've learned on my phone

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cap cut.

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The free version.

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Even like it does wonders

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for a lot of things.

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Like there's

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there's a pro version

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that probably costs,

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but, like,

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even the free version

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has given me, like, a lot of,

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you know, help.

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And there's not a lot

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there's really

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not a lot to it.

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There's a lot of little things

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you have to kind of figure out

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what does what,

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but once you do,

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it's pretty easy to kind of

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get the gist of it

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pretty quickly.

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So.

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And ya know

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what’s even fun

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Yesterday, I had a

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student

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a 6th grader come in

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and I taught him how to edit

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videos for social media

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Awesome,

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And he edited two

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cool.

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In a 3 hour

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period of time

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He’d never used

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Adobe Premiere Pro

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It turned out pretty good?

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The videos?

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Yeah. I’ll post the link down below

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You can see the student’s

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edit

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Awesome

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Man, it was crispy

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It was a crispy edit

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Cool.

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Shout out to him

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Alright, so let’s...

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Shift gears a little bit, Nate

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And, umm

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Talk about

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what

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Advantages

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or what wins

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you have seen

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out of social media

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in your group?

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Right, what has

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having a camera around

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What has doing different like

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Challenges

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Your little like

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devotional thoughts

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Take it any direction you want

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But what has

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having these

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having just a presence

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on social media

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what has it done in your mind

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to your youth group?

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you know, I'm

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going to say something

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that may be a little bit off

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the track of this little bit,

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but it's related to this.

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I think I've noticed

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a lot more people

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outside of my ministry

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are being reached

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than just my students.

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There's people

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that see my videos

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that that are like,

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not from our ministry,

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that are like, inspired

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and like asking questions

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and like, where is CSM at?

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And all this stuff.

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And they

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may not

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even be from around the area,

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but they're like curious

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and finding things.

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And we're starting

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to get more students now

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and like seeing my videos

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and being in

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and following things.

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And actually,

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we copied off

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your guy's church

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one time you did this thing

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where you went up

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to students and go,

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hey, you know,

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do you follow Cross Creek,

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your church?

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And I go, hey,

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do you follow

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CSM on on TikTok

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or do you follow CSM

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on, you know, Instagram?

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And they're always scrambling

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and they show their phone

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and they either know

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who they do

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or because of that,

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they start following.

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You know,

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I think it's just

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so important to be present

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there.

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and, give them an avenue

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where they can

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if they missed a week

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and I, I don't always do it,

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but I try to do a recap video

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from the week before

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and talk

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more about different messages.

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And, I think they need that

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to kind of

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if they're not there, like,

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hey, they can

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they can see what's going on.

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So that's, that's really good.

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Yeah.

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Well and it’s even like

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Ya know

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you even said it

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there, like

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just by doing like something

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some little like

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challenge thing

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like it created like

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a fun

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Yeah.

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moment.

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Yeah.

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And then if

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you do go around

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and you’re kinda like

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doing man on the street-style videos

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and you’re

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interviewing people and tryina

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catch em not following you,

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or prove to

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people that they are following you.

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Then later, they’re gonna look

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for that online.

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Right? And then that’s gonna create

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and organic moment

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an organic shareable moment

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that they might

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show their friends

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“Hey, check this video out!”

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or something like that, right?

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like something that they could even

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then be proud of

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Ya know, and so there’s

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I think, opportunity

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Not

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just with people who don’t go to your church

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But also,

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with students that are

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Yeah.

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in your youth ministry.

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that can, ya know

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help them feel

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like some sort of sense of ownership

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and some sort of like, win

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in and through your social media

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it’s in the

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it’s a really low

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hanging fruit there, ya know?

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Yeah.

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And I

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feel like a lot of people.

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A lot of students,

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specifically students

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want to see other students.

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Sorry.

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On videos

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and, like, in things

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instead of just me.

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Just Jessica.

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That's the leader.

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They want to see students.

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And when they see students,

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they're more attentive

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to watch

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and kind of

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participate with it

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when when they're there

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instead of

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just adults

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kind of sharing recaps

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or whatever

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that may look like, you know?

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So I've learned that

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kind of the hard way

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a little bit, you know, so.

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Yeah, for sure.

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And we’re all just trying stuff, right?

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Like what I did, when I moved here

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I guess just about two years ago, now

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when I moved here like

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my strategy that I brought in is

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not the same strategy that I have today

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So, as you get going

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and I think that’s a good encouragement too

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back to the question a minute ago

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like just get started

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Yeah.

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and once you get started

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you’ll start to like uncover things

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that you didn’t know

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Right? Like

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a great example

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in our context is

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we had a resident, Caleb

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two videos ago

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I’ll link it right here

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Caleb

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But he

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had this idea

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about this thing called the Social Challenge

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and we would do a film

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a filming of it every single Wednesday night

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and he wanted that to be like

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a long form version of a YouTube video

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and so

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we did that for a semester

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and I mean, that, that

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project would eat his lunch

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cuz he would do it on a Wednesday night

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and then he would work all day

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on a Thursday on it

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and he didn’t work on Fridays

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so like his whole Thursday

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was eaten up by getting this social challenge edited

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posted

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up and live on YouTube

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and. But we, so we

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killed the long-form version of it

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because it was like the

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time factor. Like the immediacy of it

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But we shifted it to more short style

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more challenge style

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and what that’s done

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is that has like

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you said, that has put so many more

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students on our

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platform

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so we’ve taken the same block of time

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that we would have taken to shoot

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one big long video

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and we’ll just shoot like 5

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Okay.

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Five shorts.

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And then we can just bank them

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And so we got em

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Like I got in my

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folder right now, I got like

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5 or 6

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of like a certain style of game

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we call them drafts

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and then I got 5 or 6

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of another certain style of game

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we call it 7 Questions

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Yeah.

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And so like I have

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Some pretty like set

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what I post every day

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and when I post certain things

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but like

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when I don’t have something

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or when I need something to kinda

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fill the gaps

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like I got those

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They’re just sitting

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right there. And so

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we stumbled into that

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Right? Like what we started with

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the idea of the social challenge

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what we started with

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is not what it is now

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Yeah.

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And what’s cool, is like

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it, in the room

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like in our programming

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it’s still called the same thing

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from when it started

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to what it is today

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we still call it the “Social Challenge”

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so students know what it is

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and students know there’s an opportunity

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for them to compete

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and get on camera

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and they love that stuff

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That's awesome.

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And it’s opt-in-able

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though, ya know?

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and that’s the nice part

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is like we say, “Hey”

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“During free time, if anyone wants

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to come do the Social Challenge

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we’ll be back here in this room.”

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And so it’s not forced

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Yeah.

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We’re not making anyone

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who is shy or whatever

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have to get on it

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But then you know

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there’s definitely kids who DO want to be on it

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Yeah.

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And they’re like banging down the door

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to get in there

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Do you have, like,

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the same, like,

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smaller, kind of smaller

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group of students

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that always

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want to be on videos?

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Or do you have a pretty good

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variety of students?

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I want to be on videos

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because I feel like it's

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kind of slim for me.

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of kids that actually

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want to be on video.

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Yeah, I mean it’s

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Yeah, I think it’s

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the same kinda group

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Yeah.

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the same like middle school

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boys

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Yeah.

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like the kid who edited

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is the kid who’s always on ‘em, too.

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Yeah yeah

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yeah yeah.

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Like he’s a

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he’s very camera hungry

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Yeah yeah.

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And that’s ok

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everyone’s gonna go through waves

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this kid doesn’t

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he’s a 6th grade-7th grade boy

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he’s not insecure about anything

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That's awesome

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But like one day he will be

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He probably won’t be that kid

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for his entire youth ministry career

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Right?

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And so like, you just

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that’s the nice part is you can offer that

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and if you got kids

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The other fun thing we’ve started to do

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Beyond just

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being on camera

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is like helping run the camera

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And so like maybe they don’t wanna be on the camera

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but maybe they can be like behind the scenes

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or edit

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Yeah.

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And that- students love

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getting a chance to do that

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And the more, I guess the older I’m getting

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the more I’m trying to figure out, like “How can I

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not just do student ministry

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for students,

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but how can I

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let students do student ministry for students?”

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That's good.

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So that’s one of the things we’re trying to pursue

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But Nate, tell me what

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in your context has

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been the most fun, or most effective thing?

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that you’ve done

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just with regard to digital

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it doesn’t have to be

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social media- anything, it can be anything

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any sort of thing in the digital space

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Well, I'll be honest.

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I've really recently

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kind of started a. And this.

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I don't even know

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if you consider this

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what you're looking at,

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but I started a Snapchat,

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group with our students,

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and I go, hey, invite.

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And that's a it's

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me social media

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invite

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anyone that is

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that is not that

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I don't have access to

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into this group chat.

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And people are just adding

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people as we go.

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And as soon as I add

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someone else

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and they have friends

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that are from CSM, I'm them.

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And it's like

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the group is grown,

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but the more people

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that are in there,

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the more it gets blown up.

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It's been fun to

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just kind of see it

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expand slowly

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throughout

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the last couple weeks.

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That's

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something that

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I'm excited about

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because it's like it's

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a different way of connecting.

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We have GroupMe

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and we connect through

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GroupMe mainly,

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but I think Snapchat

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should have a funner,

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like fun, fun way to like

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send funny pictures

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and whatever.

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Like you can best group

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like this

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kid was blown it up

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with with like

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filters of people's faces

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being all distorted and stuff.

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And just as he's being goofy

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and I don't know

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if that answers your question

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the way you wanted me to,

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but it's just, you know.

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Yeah, no, it’s great!

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I mean it’s

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that’s the thing, like

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every church is different, right?

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So I’m not going into this with any sorta

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like agenda

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I’m just tryina get

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to know what real youth pastors

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and real churches are doing

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like to connect with students

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and that’s a great example, because

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youth ministry 15 years ago

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like you don’t have that

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opportunity

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Whether

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Cuz like our church

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doesn’t let us use Snapchat

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Oh, really?

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Whether it’s Snapchat

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or whether it’s GroupMe

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or whether it’s a Group Message

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or whether it’s an Instagram DM Group

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The concept

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is a group message

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Yeah.

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You and I, if we were youth pastors

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fifteen years ago

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we don’t have that opportunity

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Yeah.

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That doesn’t exist

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And so, that’s why I say

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it’s so important for youth pastors to just

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figure something out, because

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look at that opportunity

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like you have a chance to

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message your students

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on like a Tuesday morning

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Yeah.

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like otherwise you would have

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had to wait for them to

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Yeah.

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come to you

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to be a captive audience

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Yeah.

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But now we have the ability to

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And there’s like

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there’s checks and balances within that

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and there’s times where that can get abused

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but at the end of the day, like

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The opportunity that we have is fantastic

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Yeah.

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So, it’s

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Important I think to lean into that

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We should ask our dad

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how he did that

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when he was a youth pastor.

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You know, just to see for him.

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Fifteen years ago?

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What?

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Because he was doing it. What?

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It was like not many.

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There wasn't cell phones,

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you know.

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So how do you.

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Well yeah, you just didn’t

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do a group chat

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Yeah.

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It was all about the in-person

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It was.

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Yeah.

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And that’s the struggle

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Right? Like the struggle now

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sometimes when

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you introduce an idea of digital

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there may be an older

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generation or demographic

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that remembers it done a different way

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And no shade on that or them

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but the fact is we just

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live in a different day

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And so

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and whatever

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And so however they were doing things before

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teenagers have zero concept of that today

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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They are digital natives

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and digital dependents

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And so to

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not have something

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Right? And that’s the thing when I hear arguments

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from youth pastors who say:

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“Well, I don’t use social”

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“Well do you have a group chat?”

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“Well yeah we have a group chat!”

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“Well, you’re doing something!”

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You’re not doing nothing

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And so there’s

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That’s the thing I love, I love that

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the sky is legitimately the limit

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Wherever your creativity will lead you

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in today’s day-in-age

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you can do

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you can do anything

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Right? And it can be

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as robust of a strategy as you want

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or it can be as like

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paired down and focused on your kids

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Both are great, I think

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Yeah.

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So last thing, Nate

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How do you

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know something’s working?

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Like when you post something

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Or- how do you know when like

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that was good. That was a win?

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What are some of the things that

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you look for, whether it be

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like metrics, like number type things

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Or even just like

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the word on the street

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or the scuttlebutt that you might hear like

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in the hallways of church

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I think I see

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people share things.

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Even if it's not a lot of shares.

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Like, there's, like, adult,

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like adults that are in our

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our ministry

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that kind of see this stuff,

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and they'll share it.

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Or student

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and multiple students like it.

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We have a good amount of like

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we have a good

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amount of views.

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If there's a good

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amount of views,

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it means that it's

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kind of catching on.

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Honestly,

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I do a lot more reels,

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even for like picture

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on new picture reels.

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And they they're,

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they're ones

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that kind of

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just to kind of show

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like what

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we've done

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in the night of CSM.

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I like to do like

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recap videos of

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like what we did

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that last night

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at CSM or today or whatever,

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just kind of show people

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kind of quickly and pictures

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of what we've been up to you.

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And I think I don't

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I think our adults

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like parents and,

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and the adults in the church

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want to see what's going on

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with the students.

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And when the adults

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are encouraged

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and and feel

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uplifted by students,

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inspire inspiring others

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to come and and lead

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and leading their friends

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to Christ and

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and getting on stage on Sunday

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morning

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and leading worship and

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and when they get on

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stage on Sunday morning

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and and share

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the announcements

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in front of the whole church.

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that's just

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I think

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they're inspired by that

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and all that.

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You know, I,

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I, I capture that stuff and,

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and then I go on

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and share it

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with their friends.

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Hey, this is something that

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that happened in our church.

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Our students are doing things.

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So it's all related

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in the social media

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because you captured

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the images and then

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and then you,

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share it on

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like your platforms

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to kind of show

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the world and people

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that God's up

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to something

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at Calvary Student

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Ministries and, and just,

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yeah, that's mainly it,

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I think, is

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just seeing people inspire

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by what's going on. You know.

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Well and think about it

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if you didn’t have some sort of creative outlet

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to share stuff like that

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like how would people know?

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cuz if they’re not

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They would have no idea.

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If they’re not in the room

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they don’t know

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Exactly.

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There’s another

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You just stepped in another benefit

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Right, like?

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People, adults, parents

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Pastors, elders

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who are not coming to youth group

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on Wednesday nights or Sunday nights

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Especially not frequently

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You can help them

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Ya know, that’s a win for you

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Maybe as a youth pastor too

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Just putting some of that stuff out there

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Yeah.

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Like Nate said

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“It’s not as hard as you think it might be.”

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Yeah.

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So last word

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last final bit of encouragement

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What would you say to someone who

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is on the fence

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Who’s

00:26:05:20 - 00:26:08:00
maybe like you a year and a half ago, is like

00:26:08:00 - 00:26:09:14
“I’m not sure about all this stuff.”

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What’s one thing

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That you would say like, “Hey, do this”

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Just. Just do this one thing

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This week?

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Yeah, that's a tough question.

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I would say like.

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Like kind of

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like what you said.

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Give it a shot

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and see if it see

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what happens.

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I mean,

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you're not going to get.

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And don't be discouraged

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if you don't get

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a hundred followers

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in the first,

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you know,

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couple days

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or weeks or months even, like,

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it takes some time

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sometimes and sometimes slowly

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growing thing.

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But,

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I say give it a shot

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and just

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try it out for a little bit.

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And like I said, please

00:26:46:20 - 00:26:48:13
do not be afraid of the time.

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Just like engaging it with it.

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It's not as bad as you think.

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And honestly, like,

00:26:52:22 - 00:26:54:02
I feel like youth

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pastors are really called

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to this generation

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of reaching people

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through social media.

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That's just where we're at

00:27:00:09 - 00:27:01:06
and in society

00:27:01:06 - 00:27:02:16
where we need to be

00:27:02:16 - 00:27:04:16
on social media in some way.

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And I don't even think

00:27:05:10 - 00:27:06:05
that Facebook's really

00:27:06:05 - 00:27:07:11
that platform for students.

00:27:07:11 - 00:27:08:09
It's more for adults

00:27:08:09 - 00:27:09:03
at this at,

00:27:09:03 - 00:27:10:04
you know, Facebook's

00:27:10:04 - 00:27:12:03
more of an adult thing.

00:27:12:03 - 00:27:14:00
And so just find that avenue

00:27:14:00 - 00:27:14:22
that you can,

00:27:14:22 - 00:27:15:24
get started

00:27:15:24 - 00:27:16:17
with and connect them

00:27:16:17 - 00:27:17:16
together, connect your

00:27:17:16 - 00:27:18:08
link, your,

00:27:18:08 - 00:27:18:22
you know, your

00:27:18:22 - 00:27:19:16
platforms together

00:27:19:16 - 00:27:20:11
so it's easier for you

00:27:20:11 - 00:27:21:17
to post multiple things.

00:27:21:17 - 00:27:23:03
You got this.

00:27:23:03 - 00:27:24:04
The church needs you.

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You know.

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Yeah

00:27:25:08 - 00:27:26:05
Love it

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Love it, well hey

00:27:27:08 - 00:27:29:04
thanks for being on this morning

00:27:29:04 - 00:27:30:08
Thanks for getting up early

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Yeah.

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I mean, I.

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And uh- and yeah

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Love you, brother.

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Hey, we'll stay in touch.

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You too!

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Hey! Stay Hybrid!