Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Hey, welcome to ModGolf Live. I am Colin Weston, the host of the ModGolf podcast. We are live at the PGA Show 2026 for the chance to talk to people. We're in the hallway this year. It's so busy in the show floor that let's meet the people. We got booted out. We got stuck out in the hallway here, which is not a bad thing because there's hundreds and hundreds of people. We've got thousands walking by here, going to the shows, so they get to hear all the great things we have to say with some of the people that are on the show floor. And to start the show today, I have one of those people, a gentleman that I met in Belfast in May, and that is T.J. Schier, who is the founder and CEO of SmashSwing. T.J. my friend, good to see you. T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing Hey, you too as well. Yeah. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Okay, so I spent some time yesterday at your booth there. The build that you did, unbelievable. I will, of course, with the recording here, even though we are live, I will be showing some images and some videos, so people here watching afterwards on the ModGolf YouTube channel will know exactly what the heck we're talking about here. But T.J., why don't you give us the overview here? Use your words and your hands to describe what you have going on with Smash Swing. T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing Sure. Well, the first thing, Colin, congratulations. You can now say you've spoken in front of 30,000 people because they're just all walking by at different times. But you've got a big audience here, which is amazing. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Thank you. I'm going to use that one. T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing Yeah, there you go. That's great. Smash Swing essentially is a larger format multiplayer indoor golf simulator. And indoor golf's great. It's very targeted at golf. But we're trying to bring what people have done in the outdoor world indoors. And what I mean by that is you've seen tech on the range, and it runs games where you can play against each other. So what we've built is a flexible footprint, two to 24 players wide, depending on how much space the facility has. And they can play two to four minute entertainment games all at the same time, competitively and cooperatively. Or they can flip it into golf mode, and it essentially runs like a driving range. The operator can still buy the hitting station and have multiple people hitting and paying at the same time like you would at a driving range versus a simulator where one hits and everybody else sits. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Yes. And I saw multiple people out there. Some of the videos we shot. And I did shoot one that we're just going to do as a video short that we're going to put on Instagram and the ModGolf YouTube channel also. So had you on the ModGolf podcast last summer, the reason I wanted to have you back on because you've done so much in the last, what, not even eight months, like half a year, you've really progressed. So why don't you let us know? I will include the link in the description and the notes here for everyone that can go back and watch and listen to that one because we were doing that live from, in that case, from your studio in Texas, right? T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing Yeah, I think you were like in a telephone booth at the Canadian Open or something in some coffee shop or something. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast I forgot. That's exactly what I was. So you just got to make it happen. You can't say no. You have to make it happen. So what you've built here, I want to hear what you've done from then to now, even building this, like this build as a portable build. Can you tell us about that experience and what went right? What was exciting and what was terrifying or anxiety riddled and didn't go quite right? Because that's the entrepreneurial journey, right? T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing I'm going to start with what went wrong. And the one problem we have not solved yet is we drove the booth here in a truck. Thank you to my wife for being my co-pilot on the way here.But the other day when we were loading up and putting all the empties away in the truck, somehow we have lost the keys to the padlock to the truck. So I have to call a locksmith tomorrow to bust into my truck to load it up. And unfortunately, my warehouse keys in Dallas are on that same key ring. And so I've got to figure out how to get in there and put it back into the warehouse. But anyway, we built this two-player trade show booth, 15 feet high, 18 feet wide. Two people can play in this. What we've done over the last eight months is we had probably 300 different people come in, driving range operators, family entertainment centers, private clubs, golf courses, and told us what they wanted the system to do. So I really wanted this to get to market a long time ago, but I'm very, very glad it did not because it's so much better now. And it was amazing to me. The most exhilarating thing yesterday was to see people walk by, probably thinking it's just another simulator. Yes. And then they stop, they look up because it's 15 feet high instead of nine feet high. That catches their attention. And then they see two different people hitting at the same time and two shot traces being up there. Now, all of a sudden, they realize what we're trying to envision and build the whole time is this is different than every other simulator on the show floor. And all that input has helped us. And we have a roadmap of enhancements for 2026 and into 2027. Imagine four people standing on a tee line playing a virtual course. They can all hit at the same time. If you're playing a scramble, just pick the ball. All four hit at the same time. You'll play a scramble 18 holes in 30 minutes. But we're writing the text so that everybody can do this. And if you're playing your own ball, the camera will just shift to whoever's perspective. So like you and I play golf together, right? So if you and I are just playing as a twosome, we both hit. And it shows me 130 yards away in the trees. It gives me my perspective. And then it shows you 120 yards away in the fairway. But we're all standing on the same key. We're not getting up and sitting down. And so it helps speed up play indoor even. Right. So we believe that's going to be one of those features that's going to really help indoor golf operators differentiate from just being another simulator place. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Love this. Love this. Now, when we got together in Belfast and looking at what you were doing then as compared to now, power of partnerships that you were just putting the deal together when you and I spoke about six months ago. But you have a deal with Atari. And I noticed with Asteroids, and I'm old enough. You can tell enough grey in my beard. I have an old school video game guy. Remember, as a kid, my first job as a teenager, all the tip money, all my quarters, I'd never actually left the shopping mall. They go right to the arcade. And I would spend them all. I loved Asteroids. So when I saw guys playing Asteroids. So that's not just one of the games you have. So tell us about that partnership, how that came about, and the reaction you're getting with people playing Atari games with golf. T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing So for people that don't know my background, a hundred years ago, I used to work for Chuck E. Cheese. And then most recently, before I left and started SmashSwing, I worked for Invited / Club Corp. And we ran Big Shots Golf, which was a golf entertainment facility. Chuck E. Cheese figured out a long time ago, you'd have to continue to give a variety of options and reasons for people to come back. No disrespect to all the people in the competitive socializing space, but all the entertainment concepts, all the putting concepts, all the single attraction concepts struggle with frequency. Right. And so our thesis was, we will build a box that you can put in somewhere, but then we're going to spend all of our time, money and efforts from there, bringing seasonal games and bringing licensed IP games. So as an example, if somebody puts one of our simulators in, we tell them in September, hey, you've got an October Halloween game in, tell your members, tell your public with digital ads around you, come in to play this Halloween game. That's only going to be here for four weeks, host an eighties night at your club and play Asteroids and Space Invaders, get club engagement, get people up there, get them spend an F and B because we believe this multiplayer approach. Heck golf is way more fun to be played for players at the same time, instead of singles, right? Get everybody involved in the game, get it active play. Mom and dad can play right next to the kids and things like asteroids, you know, dad or mom, that's my age is up there going, Hey, I remember this game. You know, the kid may be looking at it going, that's not Minecraft or whatever, but we wanted to get a couple of licensing deals done first to get the credibility. So as we grow and get locations, I can go after the big fish. I want to have the buddy, the elf Christmas game in the years to come, or the Star Wars or Harry Potter type of approaches, where people will pay a crazy amount of money. And most importantly, and this is why we've done this is they may not know Smash Wing. They may not know the venue where this, or the course where this is, but when the big IPs like a Star Wars or a Harry Potter tells their world, come in and play this video game with golf clubs in these X number of locations, we are going to bring so many more people to the game of golf, and they're going to come in, they're going to play four minute games in 10 balls a minute, and they're going to go, man, that was fun. And hopefully they'll just take that next step and get more ingrained in the game of golf and support everybody that's here. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast There we go. There we go. Well, we're only minutes away from Disney World here in Orlando. So come on, get on over there and strike up a deal, an exclusive deal with Disney and Disney Plus there. T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing We have to get a little bigger first. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast I imagine you do. And joking aside, that's one thing I love talking to you, because I've talked to hundreds, I've got thousands of entrepreneurs, not just in golf, but in sport tech and all across other sectors. And a couple of things that you do that I really respect that a lot of entrepreneurs and founders struggle with, whether it's their ego or they think their product, people just don't get it yet. And there's a bit of arrogance there. You don't have that at all. You, as you said, you had hundreds and hundreds of people come in, kick the tires at your facility that you built for really your beta, your minimum viable product. And you wanted to use that to find out what worked and what didn't, rather than just assuming or saying this is what the world needs and not deviating from that. You have used that as this opportunity to learn. So with that, when you started and what you assume people wanted, and then after hundreds of people and getting that feedback loop going here, what have you learned or what started to resonate or what patterns formed here of what people didn't like, or maybe they wanted that you've now integrated in that you didn't see when you started a couple of years ago? T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing You know, I think the biggest challenge with any entrepreneur is you mentioned the part of them letting people in and accepting that feedback. The second piece of that is sometimes you get so much feedback that if you don't really know what you want the product or the brand or whatever it is that you're building to do, you're going to go all over the place. So when we had people come in, I had people saying, oh man, there's all kinds of movie theatres right after COVID. Put this in movie theatres. Oh, and then you know what? You need to do soccer and hockey and multi-sport, and you need to go put this in Dave & Buster's or Rec Room, and you need to go do this. And nobody was talking golf. And so initially we thought, hey, this will be a great place to put in a family entertainment center. But then when I invited some golfers in and they said, look, if you just build the golf side of this, this is where you really have the opportunity to stand apart. And so it was hard to kind of tune out the noise because what's very critical to one person, i.e., hey, this has to do soccer because golf's not universal or something like that. Yes. We had to stay true to what we are. And for right now and for the foreseeable future, it's golf. And once we got the golf people in, and as an entrepreneur, you've got to just take the feedback that your kid's ugly and polish it up. And then we've decided we are leaning into golf. That's why we're here. That's why we joined the Indoor Golf Alliance. That's why we're in Belfast talking about golf tech is we firmly believe this product can change indoor golf. We say taking it to new heights, literally. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Yes, yes. You touched on the Indoor Golf Alliance. I don't know too much about that, but I'd love to learn more. Can you spend a couple moments telling us how that formed and really the value of that and what they advocate for? You tell us a bit about that. T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing Yeah, I don't want to do them a disservice by underselling what they do. But Colin, as you know, I'm very active on LinkedIn. And we were contacted by Phil, who runs the Indoor Golf Alliance. And I think he saw a need to just get everybody together and say, let's talk about what works, what doesn't work. What are some of the challenges? Because there are a lot of brands out there franchising indoor golf simulators. But then there's way, way, way more people doing it independently. And so he's trying to just get the best practices and what works. Because it makes me cringe when you see somebody making a mistake that's already been made and they could have prevented it. And especially if it's building a couple hundred thousand dollar facility and then they lose everything. Phil is aligning the users out there, the people that need information, that can't always just get it at the PGA show, doing webinars. They're doing, we're doing a luncheon actually here, a couple hours I'm going to speak at. And he's got some of the vendors aligned so that we can all talk about what works, what doesn't work. And let's try and cumulatively make the indoor golf business a little better. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Nice, nice. So you talked about being hyper-focused the best you can to not be everything to everyone. I know as an entrepreneur myself, also you see a bright shiny thing and you want to do that. And then you want to do the other thing and add that. And you don't want to have that fear of missing out. Maybe you don't want to disappoint people. Maybe you don't want to miss an opportunity. But you've got to focus and you've got to, as they say, you've got to nail it, then you scale it. And that's what you're doing right now. So you now understand not only what you've done with your test facility for the last year or so with hundreds and hundreds of people giving you that feedback and what you're getting on the show and getting feedback here, I'm sure right behind us, there's feedback happening with your team here. I'm also curious to learn that other side, that business side of the equation of quite simply, who is your customer? Who did you think your customer was? Because there could be multiple customers. T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing Like you said, maybe you sell to the Dave and Buster's of the world because you know those people and you know that side. So I'd love to hear that as far as where you see the 80-20 rule. Where do you see right now that you can get 80% of the bang for the effort that you're doing? You know, it's funny when I, you know, I used to work for Big Shots Golf. And we had designed this prototype really to reinvent outdoor golf entertainment. And it was going to be an amazing facility. But it was $20 million. And when I left, my original goal was I want to build this golf playground. That's a short outdoor, fully netted range. Take the ball off of seers at a mall, 50-yard netted outdoor range, a number of indoor golf theaters, which became SmashSwing and putting. And people just pay one price and they can stay in there for 90 minutes or whatever. You run like an amusement park and let them just choose it so that they can stay for a short time. They can stay for a long time. They can give a lot of value out of that. They can just hit balls on the range if they wanted to. And when I went to our investor group, they were like, look, I don't want anything to do with a capital intensive business. With an unproven technology. And they're the ones with the money. They said, look, let's build the tech first. Let's start selling it and seeing who's buying it. At some point down the road, if you want to go get funding to build your own golf playgrounds and be our biggest customer. Cool. And so that's kind of what we've done is we decided to build this. So our customer right now is, we've got a few country clubs that have signed, which is very eye opening to me because I thought they were going to be the hardest ones. Oh, all right. Because it's free, right? I'm a member of the country club. It should be free. We're actually installing this in two weeks. It's going to be our first customer install at a country club in Wisconsin. And the gentleman that's doing this saw the vision of like, look, man, I can sell this to a parent to have a party with 20 kids in there for 400 bucks for 90 minutes. I can never sell a golf simulator for that for 50 bucks an hour. Absolutely not. So you see the country clubs looking at something I would have never thought of as their value proposition. We've got public courses that are replacing their sims. We've got some places like Beyond Golf in Chico who does not have room for a driving range. So they're building a massive 12 player, 100 foot wide, 30 foot high screen indoor driving range. And then we've got a few golf entertainment facilities that to try and solve the problems that the competitors have. They're adding things like Smash Wing to give people other reasons to come back. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Nice, nice. Well, that's interesting. You didn't think that would be your target client market. And it turns out that it is. Either the pain points or the opportunities that reveal themselves. So as a multi-time founder, as an entrepreneur, for anyone listening and the people behind us, because right behind us on the wall, there's called the Inventor's Spotlight. There's 25 or 30 or so scrappy startups, people that are here for the first time at the show. And I walked the aisle yesterday, checked them all out. And what I thought was the three best, I invited them to come on the show. So after we do the three full length conversations, like you and I TJ are having right now, I'm going to have them at the end of the show come up and it won't be a pitch like I've given them like three to five minutes. So that's going to be fun. So for all the fledgling entrepreneurs, the 30 or so that are back there and everyone else in the golf space or any space, from your lessons, what's worked and what hasn't, are there some quick tips or kind of nuggets of wisdom that you can provide? A cautionary tales, perhaps, maybe just one. Maybe what they should do and maybe what they should avoid and how they should approach things and the character traits. You'd need to be successful entrepreneur rather than just a serial entrepreneur. T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing Yeah. And I don't know if I'm successful. It's probably a big scale of what's successful or not, but I love doing this kind of stuff. And what I see people struggle with the most is they see the vision, but they can't explain the vision. Right, whether you go out on the show floor or you're trying to do this via an email, a digital ad or phone calls, if you can't clearly explain why you're different, then it's going to be tough. You look out on the show floor, there's so many clothing manufacturers and so many head cover manufacturers. Yes. I don't even want to count the number of simulator places. I think the thing we got right was we realized there was a point of difference that now that people see it, we'll pay for it. It was hard to explain to people, but you know, once you see it, you go, oh my gosh, now I get it. And that's the one thing I think we did right here or the most right for this, where I see other people struggle. And that's a skill that you can learn. Some people have that natural inherent talent, but that is something you need to get the reps in. So yourself, how did you manage over years to refine your communication skills so you can articulate that message clearly so that people that aren't in the industry or someone maybe that you're starting from zero, that you don't lose them or overwhelm them and you're articulate and you're concise. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast So how did you go about that on that journey? I'm sure you weren't perfect at the beginning and probably struggled also. T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing No, I'm not. Yeah, and it's like, well, we're all a work in progress here. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast So with yourself, was it just practice getting your reps in and listening to advisors and getting feedback? Or could you tell us about that? T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing I probably have one of the crookedest journeys out there. It's called entrepreneurship. I love it. I mentioned earlier, I worked for Chuck E. Cheese. So in 2001, I started my own consulting business and I always thought I hated sales. And then somebody said, look, you've been doing this for 20 years. All you do is sell. You're selling yourself through your credibility and everything. And what I learned as a consultant was I had to be able to convince the CEO or the decision maker to do something that I was really focused on the training and operations world that I could get the frontline to buy into. So I had to learn to sell to different audiences. And then kind of a side business of this was I was a speaker for 20 years. And so being able to stand in front of a restaurant chain or Orange Theory Fitness or Gold's Gym, I even talked to a mobile hose repair franchise system. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast That sounds glamorous. T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing And you know what? They make a lot of money. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast I'm sure they do! T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing I would have never even known that. The glamorous ones make the most money, right? I had to learn how to take my message, craft it to that audience because I was a franchisee of a sandwich brand. And we had grown. And when you go up there as a sandwich guy and you're talking to Orange Theory Fitness, I have to bridge the gap between what I've learned there and how would it work in their environment. And to me, that was the most beneficial thing on my crooked path was I know what I do with Smash Wing. And I've learned over the years how to just listen first. Hey, what are you wrestling with? Okay, let me tell you. Here's how we can solve that problem. I know most people that know me are going to disagree, but I need to talk second and I need to talk second more. But listening to what the customer wants and if you can tell them how to solve their problem instead of saying, hey, here's my solution, that's where I think a lot of them struggle because it turns the other person off. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Absolutely, absolutely. And your ability to observe and your natural curiosity that all good entrepreneurs I've seen, these characteristics I've seen as successful entrepreneurs across any sector, any business, any venture, that's one of the characteristics you have to have this push and pull, a bit of attention. You have to have that belief and that confidence in what you're doing. But at the same time, you also have to be open to seeing what maybe isn't working or maybe how you can amplify the opportunity. And there's no playbook on that. And that's just experience. And that unfolds in different ways at different times. I always say curiosity is a leadership superpower because people are like, are you ever satisfied? Will you ever stop trying to make it better and do other things? T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing I'm a big fan of Jesse Cole, the Savannah Bananas. You know, that guy, what he did for baseball and entertainment side of baseball, that's what I'm trying to do for indoor golf. There's a spectator that you have to serve and there's a player that you have to serve. So I was been on the show for five years and we're always looking at auto T-systems and we put them into big shots and then when they got sold, they got taken out and because that's not the way they do it at other places. I am shocked at how many people come by our booth and go, oh my God, that auto tee system is awesome. And I'm like, yeah, there's two companies here that have been doing this for like 30 years. This is nothing new. I just put A and B together because it's a better player experience. And then with us doing multiplayer, the thing I've learned is in golf, whether you're in a simulator at a golf entertainment, still you're on the first tee. The biggest fear everybody has is that everybody is staring at me and what if I don't do well? And when we put this in for the first beta test and I had three non-golfers in our warehouse hitting, I said, what do you guys like or dislike about this? And one of the girls who was a terrible golfer said, nobody stared at me. You all, the spectators, were watching what was going on the screen and hooting and hollering and cheering instead of watching how I hit the golf ball. And that's when I knew we were onto something. Yeah, yeah. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast You touched on something interesting there and it ties into what people think, especially entrepreneurs, founders of what innovation is. Quite often they think you need to have a blank piece of paper and you need to invent or create something that's never been done before, where myself and you with our ventures and what you know and you touched on is this ability to pull in different elements from other sectors, other industries, other businesses and bringing that together. And that's what you've done and building this awesome kit of parts, if you will. And it's the complete package that is the innovation. And what you're creating. And you've also looked outside the golf industry into the entertainment industry of what you're doing here to create SmashSwing, which I think is amazing. T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing Yeah, it was interesting this morning. It was just exhibitors in the hall before because the show floor just opened here a couple minutes ago. We had somebody come over to our booth that we had a meeting with and they're very entrenched in this space. We did a brief demo for him and he said, the multiplayer aspect of this is so much more powerful than I thought. The simulator business is too similar. You can't be what you copy. You know, everybody's trying to do, I'll do this vendor, that vendor, I'll be memberships and leagues. And we just realized there was a space nobody was playing and it was multiplayer. The timing for the TGL for us has been very beneficial because those are massive screens. Yes. A lot of people are saying, hey, I want a TGL size screen. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Right, right. T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing Well, guess what? We can do that. We have the tech to do that. Nobody else can. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast And so it's going to be a very interesting journey over the next couple of years. And what I love about what you're doing, I think you know with me, there's a business methodology called Blue Ocean Strategy, whereas you're unlocking new customers, unfound customers, rather than fighting over the scraps like you talked about with some of the other businesses, whether it's apparel or simulators, and they're all similar. They're going after the same market where you're unlocking an untapped marketplace. You are a Blue Ocean Strategy with SmashSwing. T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing Absolutely. I can attest to that. My Blue Ocean idea really came from the guy that's doing the indoor driving range in Chico, California. He came to us and says, hey, I was told that you have the technology because I've got this building design and it's 40 feet deep and 100 feet wide and 30 feet high, and I want to be able to track all the tech. And as I've started talking to people, and you talk to people overseas where it's extremely hot half the year or extremely cold half the year, I believe that the indoor driving range, and we're looking at a 30-foot ceiling right in front of us. How cool would it be to have a bar and a facility where everybody's hitting golf balls into this 30-foot high screen? And oh, by the way, all the Super Bowls on, we'll run a game watch party. And then you hit a button and during the commercials, you're playing the long drive. Now you've given people reasons to come for different things and multiple revenue streams. I believe this indoor golf cinematic size screens is going to be the next wave out there. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Okay, I got to put it out there.Maybe this is ambitious, but how many years until you're in the sphere in Las Vegas? T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing That would be amazing. I saw one of the vendors out there has kind of got like an amphitheater kind of look, a simulator, but it's one player. We're looking at you make like a U or a crescent-shaped multiplayer game, but everybody's hitting out. Why is everybody in a straight line? That's where we're starting because that's what's available today. But man, how cool would it be if you can make it more of an amphitheater and change what everybody out there is doing? Why the heck not? Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Why not? So hey, we'll finish up there. So T.J. Schier, founder and CEO of SmashSwing. Before we go, of course, we're recording this and people can watch it afterwards. Anyone walking around the show, what booth are you in that you can come and try SmashSwing and maybe play some Asteroids or some of the other great Atari games or the other things you have going on? So what booth are you in? T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing SmashSwing is in booth 1213. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast 1213, all right. And for people that are watching that are not at the PGA show, because by the time we get this posted, your booth will be torn down. So how can they learn more about SmashSwing? T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing We appreciate the opportunity to come on again. Smashswing.gov is our website. I'm very active on LinkedIn, trying to share and things that we've learned and things for others to avoid. So hit me up on LinkedIn or come to see us at Smashling.gov. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast There we go. And as I always do, I will include down in the comments all that information that T.J. had just mentioned to make it nice and easy for you to connect with SmashSwing. T.J., good to see you, my friend. Thanks so much for joining me. T.J. Schier - CEO of SmashSwing All right, have a great show. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast That's a wrap for this episode of the ModGolf podcast. 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