Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Hey, it's Colin with ModGolf. It is part three of the rebuild, second part of my session with Quinn Vilneff, PGA Teaching Pro here at Gowanus Golf Club indoors in Vancouver. Hopefully go back and watch the first part of my session with Quinn and that's where we're looking at the short game, chipping and pitching, all the problems I was making there. We talked about spin loft and attack angle, all those good things and I managed to sort that out a little bit. So now we're on to the next piece and that is my full swing with irons and all the issues I've been having with that for years. My sequencing is off, I'm not going to spoil it, all the things that Quinn has helped transform that in this session. So hey, hope you enjoy this and the next one's going to be driver, that's the last one of the three parts with Quinn here at Gowanus and also the first part of the rebuild that I did was my fitness testing and that was with Cameron Barkley at Vancouver Golf Performance. So yeah, working on my fitness, working on my rotation, working on separating those shoulders and my hips. Believe me, that's a work in progress but there we have it. Okay, so we're moving up to a nine iron here. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Yep. So you just want to see a couple swings here and yeah, yeah, just get nice and loose, take some full cuts out of here. All right. Beautiful. How far do you typically hit your nine iron? My nine iron? In the air. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast I would say probably 125 to 130. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Yeah. Perfect. That one you cracked pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, that was a perfect strike. So why don't we talk about this? So we've got a smash factor of 1.31. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Why don't you let everyone know and also people that are listening can see this. What is smash factor? What is that ratio Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional So smash factor is essentially the ball speed divided by the club head speed. Right. So another way to kind of think about it is the trampoline effect. Off of the face. So for a really easy example for you, if we hit a really well struck golf ball, that's going to be the trampoline effect. Of a center shot. Right back to my hand. Toe shot. Not so much trampoline effect, right? That would be a low smash factor. So when you hit a poorly struck ball, which you can see here, the impact was just dead center on that blue line. Perfect. You're going to get a pretty high ball speed. Out of the club head speed that you produced. Now, had you hit this way out on the toe, this ball speed probably would have been like 85 and this smash factor would have been like 1.06. Something like that. Does that make sense? It's math. Now the smash factor is an interesting bit of a controversial. There was a bit of a controversy around this year. The USGA, the United States Golf Association, the governing body that oversees like the U.S. Open and stuff like that. They tested some drivers and they can randomly test whoever's driver they want on a weekly basis on the PGA Tour. And the week after the Masters or two weeks after the Masters, Rory's driver failed. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast I remember that. What classified a failure? Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional So that's a great question. They do something what's called COR testing. Okay. COR is stands for coefficient of restitution. And that is the trampoline effect. Now the USGA has set a standard on the coefficient of restitution at 1.52. So for easy math, if your club head speeds a hundred, the fastest ball speed that you could get off of the driver is 152 miles an hour. So when they tested Rory's driver at a 1.53. The reason that it's not such a big issue is over time, over thousands, tens of thousands of golf balls struck, the face itself on a driver wears and it will get thinner and thinner and thinner. And so the drive that you hit right before you crack a face is actually the thinnest. The driver face will play and it is the most efficient. The driver will play. So people are like, Oh yeah, my driver's getting kind of old. It's getting dead. Nope. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Elasticity increases. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional It actually increases. Yeah. So people think that it dies. It's not that it's that too many treats over the holidays or whatever. They're not swinging as fast, but the reality is, is that they test it in nine spots. They test it high on the face, heel, center, toe, middle of the face, heel, center, toe, low on the face, heel, center, toe. They test those nine areas. And depending on where you hit it on the face, you're going to see that ball speed change in that smash factor change based off where you hit it. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast There you go. Make sense. Smash factor 101 So we have talked about my golf swing very little so far for the videos that I sent you too. And I've had other lessons and people putting circles around my head and before and after and split screen with a pro hitting an iron and seeing where my inefficiencies are. And one thing that's been told are a few things. I'm sure you see this every day is, and I try to stay up straight, but I find that I've started from the beginning where we put a circle around my head and where I am here, I'm actually dropping, dropping down. There's this rather than staying up. So I'm trying to stay more up to kind of keep that and seeing the split screen of players. I've been using Tommy Fleetwood lately and him hitting irons and the way he does it and trying to emulate that the best that I can in certain moves. And he certainly does not drop his head. And one thing I've noticed also, whether this is a position I'll be able to get into more as I get stronger with my fitness increasing. And this is this idea of focused fitness is that with me that I go to the gym, do some weight training, do some cardio, flexibility at hot yoga. I think for my age at 61 years old, I'm probably in better physical shape than probably 90% of the guys out there, but I still don't find it translating over to golf. So one thing with Cameron that we're really focusing on is how can we really create a fitness program that's centered around golf and that's what he does for a living. So that's what we're doing. I'm focusing on that. So in the same vein, I'd like to focus on this or ask you your first thoughts and hey, you can be as harsh and critical as you want because I need that. Where do you think the major flaws are when I sing a golf club? Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Yeah, absolutely. You know, something that I saw in the videos that you sent me and something that is very present on elite ball strikers that isn't very present in your golf swing is actually where your pelvis is at at impact. And generally the best players in the world move their pelvis towards the target a fairly significant amount. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast And I know I need to do that. I just can't get my body to do that, which is frustrating. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Yes, totally. It's part of the reason why you struggle with your club path with your longer clubs for sure. If you think about the swing arc and how you move when you swing a golf club, the ball position moving forward in your stance is going to encourage the club to move more to the left. As a right-handed golfer, right? But if you actually get your pelvis further towards the target by point of impact, by point of contact, that is going to eliminate the club's ability to exit left because your pelvis itself is in that space. Yes. It can't move to the left because your pelvis is in the way. If your pelvis is back, now your club doesn't have the ability to come from the inside has to come from the outside and there's nothing impeding it from exiting to the left. Couple that with the fact that the ball positions further forward and you're going to go from a four degree in to out club path to probably a four or five degree out to in club path, which is going to lead to those pulls and those wipey fades. All right. Does that make sense? Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast It does. Okay. So let me hit one more here and then why don't you look at the most glaring part? Once again, we're trying to keep things as simple as possible here, even though golf is very complicated so that people that are watching and listening can then hopefully be encouraged to make some changes of their golf game too. They can take those actionable steps to make that happen. Once again, with a nine iron. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Well struck. Okay. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast I've certainly been working on trying to get my hips back and this idea with Cameron, the separation between my shoulders and my hips, that's a work in progress. Not going to happen overnight. We've been using this one phrase I heard through yoga and that is, I really like this one. The longer it takes, the longer it lasts. So I'm in no rush here. I know this is going to be a journey and incremental changes in the right direction. So with that, where did you see what worked and even more so, what do we need to change here with that last swing? Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional So one of the things that you said was that you dipped down a little bit in that back swing, right? So as you're rotating your pelvis, what you'll notice is if I have a little bit of flex in both my knees and I try to turn my body, but I don't extend my trail leg, not to the point where it's locked, but as my lead leg bends, my trail leg needs to extend or else I am going to lower down to the bottom. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Right. Which I do. I'm going to get more forward bend. I'm going to get lower down. Then I'm going to have to come up. Which I do. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Right. That coming up isn't necessarily a bad thing. That's generally how you're going to leverage the ground to generate some power. But if you're doing it just so that you don't hit the club six inches behind the ball, because you've come so far down in your back swing, it's not a very efficient way of producing force. So something that I think would be very helpful for you is you're working on trying to keep those hips rotating. You're trying to get your upper body and lower body kind of disassociated from one another. I would actually like to see you just focus on trying to get your trail leg to get a little longer in your back swing. And if you add length, if I do nothing but just straighten my right leg, my hips turn. If you just straighten your right leg, your hips automatically turn. Now, I'm not saying let's lock out that right leg, but getting in the habit of just feeling like your right leg or your trail leg is getting a little bit of length, the whole right side, your whole trail side in your back swing, it should be getting longer. Right. As your whole lead side is getting smaller. So this is bending. This is coming down. This is all smaller while this is all getting extended. Then as you shift into your lead side, bump that hip towards the target. Now you're going to start to extend your lead side and your whole trail side is going to then get a little bit more shrunk. Does that make sense? Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast It does. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional With a lot of good players like this side is really compressed. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast This is stretched when they're coming through. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Correct. And it's a mirror though in the back swing. So if you feel like you want to extend this side in your, in your follow through, this side needs to get a crunched in your back swing. And that means that this side, your trail side needs to get a little more extended in your back swing because if it stays, Colin, if it stays, can I see your club? Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Absolutely. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional If I start to take my back swing and I don't let my right leg extend at all, then I'm in this position where I can't move laterally. And I'm trying to jump up to not hit the ground six inches behind. Where if I can get a little bit of extension in that trail side, I can extend. I feel like my whole, all my obliques, my whole right sides, it's stretched right now. Then I shift to my lead side. Then it's just a matter of now we need to shrink our trail side and then extend our lead side. Does that make sense? Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast It does. And I've known for years and some of the, for the previous training that I've had and watching once again, those split screen videos and seeing that left butt cheek, even at impact, being able to see that and seeing where I am and that, but that butt cheek is nowhere to be seen. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional No, that's, that's something that is the reality is that if you look at guys who have worked their whole lives on their golf games and have played the game at a very elite level, PGA tour winners, major champions, you look at the guys on the champions tour are 61 years old. They're not going to have the same lower body opening as Min-woo Lee, someone like this, or like a Cameron Champ, these guys that really trapped the ball, create a ton of ball speed, hit the ball a mile. The flexibility that those players have is something that is a bit of a gift. It's certainly not genetically given to everyone. It was trained in at a young, young age, but there's certainly a lot of benefit for you to be working with Cameron and working on that upper body, lower body disassociation and that T spine health and your core strength and all of those things. They're going to help move the needle in the right direction, but there's not going to be a point really where you're going to look at yourself from a down the line camera view at impact. And you're going to see that the same hips that you see in, like I said, like a Min-woo. You're not going to have that. That's the danger that some people run into is they say, Oh, I want to swing like this player. I want to swing like that player. The reality is they need to say, okay, "what's my body capable of doing initially?" And what are the little things that we can clean up along the way that are going to make consistency easier to achieve? Right. Does that make sense? Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast It does. It does. And on that consistency piece. So again, I play with a lot of guys that my weekend men's group that have played a lot of junior golf competitive when they were younger. I did not do that. So that's already baked into their DNA. They're like 10, 15 years older than me, less athletic. It's like, "how can they possibly hit that ball that well?", but their sequencing is so good. Why don't we run through that as far as swing sequencing? So I know once I get to the top and I still struggle is like, do I need to take the club back even farther than I do? But when I'm at the top, and sometimes I know when my first move for years has been, if it's starting the first move is then with the hands, that's really bad. So why don't we run through that? Because I know when my have my bad misses and all of that baggage from tens and thousands of bad swings, because I didn't learn properly. I played a lot of baseball. So at a baseball swing, when I first played golf, I could not aim far enough left with my banana ball. And that's all I did. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Yeah. And having to unlearn all that stuff, which is still challenging, but occasionally that bad stuff, my 1983 swing will sneak in and rear its ugly hair drums once in a while. So why don't you let us know what you consider a swing sequence from start to finish? So you said something really interesting there, and I'm just going to touch upon it and then I'll get it right into the sequencing thing. But sure. Your 1980s baseball swing that creeps in sometimes, the reason it does that is because once our bodies and our brains learn a movement pattern, that movement pattern sticks around forever, right? It doesn't necessarily get practiced. It might not be as repeatable as it once was because you're not practicing it, but it sticks around. So the best analogy that I've heard is imagine you get dropped off at the top of a mountain. And every day you're going to ski down one side of the mountain. Every single day you get dropped off. You ski down the north side of the mountain. Boom. You rip down, you rip down, you're up down over time. You know, every turn, every little mound, every little jump of that side of the mountain, right? And now one day you get dropped off and your golf coach or your ski instructor or whoever says, Hey, Colin, I want you to go on the south side. Now you have a lot of familiarity with this mountain, but just not that side of it. And so you go down and you can cautiously go down. You fall a couple of times. It's not nearly the same comfort level where you just shut your brain off and go. You have to really be methodical in how you go about this. And there's a lot of conscious awareness and thought that goes into going down the south side of the mountain, right? Now, over time, you're going to start to get familiar with the south side of the mountain and that north side of the mountain is going to get some flurries on it. And that path that you once had that was clear is going to start to get covered up, but make no mistake. That path still remains. And if I drop you off a month later and say, rip down the north side, you're going to have no problem ripping down that north side, right? So that's sort of how our bodies learn movement patterns. And once you've learned a movement pattern and it's ingrained from the time you're a child to, you know, a young adult, you've practiced swinging a baseball bat swinging left for 15, 20 years at max speed, that movement pattern it's there. It is ever present. And you're going to have to work for the rest of your life to make sure that the south side of the mountain is the mountain side that you stick to in order to be a good golfer. Does that make sense? Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast It does. And it makes me be a little kinder to myself too, for not beating myself up too badly for not being able to get this. Because golf is hard. It's hard enough already. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Yeah. Golf is really hard. It doesn't owe you anything, right? Unfortunately, the difficulty of it is what makes it so great as well. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast It is. That's the allure. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So it keeps you going. So to go on sequencing here, I'm going to let you keep your club here. I'm just going to grab one of mine. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast All right. Do you want to step in here or what are we going to do? Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional I can stand right here. So when we're talking about sequencing, there's a few different ways to speak about it. I do like the way that the Titleist Performance Institute has talked about it in the past. They've talked about the kinematic sequence and how it's really the small parts of your upper body into the big parts of your lower body is how they've explained the sequence. And to my understanding, it's a pretty simple way of explaining the sequence of the golf swing. So your golf swing really should start with your hands. You start with your hands and then your arms and then your shoulders and then your hips. And then you get to the top and you're going to go the opposite. You're going to go hips, then shoulders, then arms, then hands or wrists. Does that make sense? It does. So that sequence is the order that things need to move in order to produce the maximum efficiency. Now, I think the missing link in that, if that was all the information that you that you got, what a lot of people end up doing is, is they go, okay, I got to get I got to get everything on my back leg. Right. And they go, okay, arms, shoulders, hips, hips, shoulders, arms. Well, this doesn't look like a very good impact position, does it? My whole center of mass is behind the ball, which is going to lead to my low point where the club touches the ground way behind the ball. Now, when you look at the best players in the world, Scotty, Rory, Tommy, Bryson, the list goes on. All of these players are getting their center of mass, right? The golf coaches online are going to say the COMs, right? And it's confusing. Then you're Googling what's COM, all this stuff. People will come to me like, what's a COM? I'm like, oh, it's a center of mass. Think of just the center of mass is like your sternum, basically your sternum and your belt buckle. Now, if we can get this center of mass to be in front of the golf ball before you reach the top of your swing, you're going to be set up for success. You're going to be set up for a forward low point. And that's what's going to help you make that ball first contact. That's what's going to help your path move from the inside. And that's what's going to help lower that spin loft so that you can hit the ball far. So keeping in mind that sequence of hands, arms, shoulders, hips, before I get to the top, I want to start getting to my lead side. Then I can go hips, shoulders, arms, wrists. Now that looks like a much better impact position, doesn't it? I've got that shaft leaning forward. I've got all my pressure in that lead side. I'm leading the downswing with my hips being most open. Then my shoulders follow. Those are the real key pillars of consistent ball striking. But what I see most 10, 15, 20 handicaps at impact is I see a lot of this. There's no shaft lean. The pressure is in their trail leg and their sternum and belt buckle are at or behind the golf ball. This is low hanging fruit for you. Because your golf swing, the sequence of how you move isn't terrible by any means. It's certainly not like this order where sometimes I'll see people where they start their swing with their hips and we're in for a big rebuild. For you, what I'd like to see you do is I would actually like to see you just get left sooner. You know, that old Beyonce song to the left, to the left. That's where you got to get. You got to get left. I want to see you hit balls where you feel like your arms are at about chest high, or you can say P3, however technically you want to get when your left arm is about parallel with the ground. That's when you should be getting to the left. So you should be going about left. And what that's going to do is that's going to help move your club path from the inside. That's 6.8 degrees to the right. Now, if I take that exact same golf club, exact same golf ball, all the things, and I actually keep everything on my trail side no longer, watch what happens to my path. 6.8 to five left, right? 12 degrees difference. Instead of hitting a nice little baby push draw, I had a massive pull. So the pelvis and where my center of mass is at, not just impact, but the top of my backswing is really going to play a role in the direction my club is moving. And for someone like yourself who struggles with that club path being consistent, it would be massively beneficial for you to get those COMs, your center of mass left towards the target sooner. Because what that's going to do is that's going to help move that club path from the inside on a consistent basis. Got it. Does that make sense? Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast It does. So on this note, since of course we want to make this, let's enjoy the winter months with a lot of North America is covered in snow and Vancouver, we're covered in rain. You're not getting outside as much. We want people to have their preseason readiness for golf. All right, Quinn. So can you suggest one indoor winter time exercise? We can go through a few of these, but one that will get that sequencing, moving that hip forward in the right way. Is there something that you can suggest for people? Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Yeah. Like you said, I've seen some videos as well. This is probably more actually like Cam's world than mine, to be honest with you. But I would say that I did see a video recently with one of those yoga balls, those big inflatable balls where someone just had it on their, on their lead side and they crossed their shoulders, crossed their arms, crossed their shoulders and were rotating without letting that ball drop. Because you can rotate your pressure to your trail side. You can rotate your pelvis. You can rotate your upper body. Everything is in my trail side to the point where I can lift up my lead foot, but my hip itself has not shifted this way. So doing something like that, you could even use your golf bag. If I grab my golf bag, you could, I guess you could kind of make it a little bit better by putting a stick there or something just so there's something in between. You're like a basketball, right? Soccer ball, volleyball, any ball that's yay big. Now you go get an inflatable ball at the dollar store and make those rotations without letting that ball fall out. That would be a massive, massive thing. Now just for fun, come stand next to me and we'll just face forward here. Imagine we're in third grade and we're getting yelled at by our teacher and I'm trying to get you in trouble, but I'm not going to try and make it super obvious. All I'm going to do is I'm just going to kind of bump you with my hip, right? Bump you with my hip. Now that feeling with your body is similar to the feeling that I want you to have before you get to the top of your backswing, right? So we're going to take that backswing and I'm going to bump you and then rotate into my lead side. And that's going to help that complex COM term, that center of mass get forward, which is going to help that in to out path, help move that low point forward. So you avoid chunking it, you avoid pulling it. And this is sort of the secret sauce of what the best ball strikers all do. This is how they compress the ball, right? It's because their body is in front of the ball. They lean that club forward. They de-loft the club. Spin loft goes down. They hit it far. They hit it solid. They hit it consistently. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Why don't we try this? So for the camera, why don't you come over here with a golf club? Why don't you stand behind me here with a club here on my hip? Put that club where you want my hip to be when I move forward. Put that club where I am now, where you want me to be, okay? I've got to achieve that. I'm not going to obviously hit a ball here. So if I come back, that's the feel. Good. Okay. So you're saying that should be my first move. And this is also a weight transfer. Maybe you can talk a bit about this too, as far as I'm hearing a lot about ground force and connection with the ground. Ground reactions. I kind of understand that. So can you explain that to me and all of us? Like I'm a third grader. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional So the easiest way to understand ground reaction forces is jumping, right? If I'm jumping, if I wanted to jump, I don't pull my body up in the air. Pull as hard as I want. I'm not going anywhere. If I want to jump, I have to push down into the ground. And the harder you push, the higher you jump. Now for this specifically, the thing that is lost for a lot of golfers is that the shift that happens in your golf swing, when someone says, Oh, you got to shift all your pressure away and then back towards. When we actually measure where that body is swaying back and forth, there's a shift away. If we go down a complicated road here, it's from P1 to P2, which basically means when the club gets to parallel in your backswing, not anywhere past. That's the only time that you're shifting away from the target from this position, all the way to finish. You're shifting towards the target, right? The entire time, the entire time, every position along the way, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, and 10. Your body is moving towards the target. The only time it's moving away from the target is in your initial takeaway. Got it. And then the rest of the time you can still rotate, but you're actually moving towards the target. Now, amateur golfers, recreational golfers, 16 handicaps, they move away too long and never move towards enough. Almost universally. I haven't had too many players who when I've taught well over 10,000 golf lessons, I can count on one hand where I'm like, you're moving too much towards the target. And then, and then the other 99.9% of my lessons have been, Hey, you're sticking back here too long. And then you're wiping across the ball and you're hitting these big, big time pulls. And then when you open the face, you get these big time slices, especially when you get into those lower lofted clubs. Does that make sense? Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Well, I'm living it. Yeah. I'm living that dream, that nightmare, whatever you want to call it. But with what I do, and I've seen enough video of myself that I know that is an issue. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's, that's really helpful. So what should we do next? Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional So let's hit some seven irons. Let's get up into a mid iron here. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast So I don't want to overwhelm my brain with too much information because there's a lot to process here. But I think with one of the things here is you've said with bringing this leg back rather than staying there. Try to compress it. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Outstanding. All right. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast And now if I'm good with more of a movement like this. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Correct. Very good. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast I feel my balance is much better. I find quite often that I'm almost falling down at the end of my swing. Even with a seven iron. Well, that's because I don't have a stability at the end. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional A lot of people fall this way or fall this way. They do one of two things. They either swing and they fight this or they swing and they fly right through it because they're not using the ground properly. So we can go back to this ground reaction conversation. And what's really cool is you can see it best for any of your watchers, viewers, listeners that are in a snowy, icy place in the world. I would recommend with extreme amounts of caution. But if you tried to swing on ice, you'll realize how much you use the ground because you're going to slip when you try to swing. And the reality is, is most people don't realize if you're falling forward, the way to avoid falling forward is to push forward because that action will have an opposite reaction. So if I try and feel like I'm pushing my toes through the toe of my shoe on my left foot, my lead foot, that's what's going to help get my pelvis and my whole lead leg back and out of the way. And if anything, I'm going to fall backwards. Not forwards. So before we make any swings here, I just want to see you do what we just talked about, getting a little bit more trail side extension. And I want you to do it in as if we're like in camera, iPhone slow-mo mode. So you're going to go super slowly, extend that leg and start getting left now. Start getting left. Yeah. And I want you to do it in as if we're like in camera iPhone slow-mo mode You're gonna go super slowly extend that leg and start getting left now start getting left. Yeah, like I want you Yeah, so that was good. Let's reset. Let's do that again I want you to do that three or four times for me and you're just gonna feel like you get it some extension and left Good outstanding. How different does that feel right there? Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast That feels even at the top that already my weight feels like it's about 70% on my front leg. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Beautiful. And then from there you can just basically push that left leg is just gonna straighten and then you swing around your body good Now you're seeing that you've got a lot more shaft lean You've got your whole center of mass in front of the ball and now you can just extend up and through beautiful Okay, totally we're gonna do this one more time. So slowly go up Extend that right leg and get left good and then follow through awesome, and you don't even need to necessarily have such a conscious effort at the direction the club is moving at any of those pieces I really want you to feel trail side extend as soon as you start to feel that extension you can start to get left and then the rest of it. The funny thing about this is that when you get your body more? Towards the target. Uh-huh what you've now done if this extends and gets towards the target You've now created all this space thing, right? And you've created all this space for that club to come from the inside because when this hip is out and back There's just no space this whole idea of this elbow touching. It's like there's just no room how for it there, right? Here now all of a sudden you've got so much room. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast That easily there's almost a foot worth of space here. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional That wasn't there before you're doing this perfectly. So I'm gonna get a little handsy with you. So I gotta come in here. So when you go to the top, that whatever the top feels like if your hips are back here if your hips are go this way now You don't have space here or even worse like this, correct? And then so your body says, okay, you know what? I'm just gonna go this way and then your hips are out of the way over here So now your club exits way to the left. Yeah, there's the over the top. Oh, yeah, right now do that again for me And if we now create some space here and you start to get this way. Now you've got all this room for that club to come from the inside and now there's no room for the club to exit to The left. So your club now has to exit down the line or to the right because this is now in the way. Space just like our bodies in space if we move this out of the way and towards the target. We now have all this room all of this room that wasn't there when our hips were back and in the way So your body goes well, I can't shallow it So I'll just move this club out in front and I've got a direct path Humans are built instinctually for the path of least resistance. That's why it's nice to sit on the couch. Yes, and so your club just goes Oh, I just got to hit the ball. I can go this way. Now if you just get this out of the way towards the target now you've got room here. There's no reason to go this way because that's more effort This is the path of least resistance and then we can extend the club out down the line or even from in to out Whatever you want to say because that's the path of least resistance. It's no longer this way. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Yes, this is in space in the way part of this is like high school physics class because I think you've just quoted in a Newton's second or third law, which is no two objects can occupy the same space at the same time, right? Golf is physics, right? Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional It's a little bit of anatomy of what your personal anatomy is and applying physics and I say this to a lot of my students All the time I say golf is very Objective in a lot of ways if you want to become a good golfer You have to have the face pointing in a consistent direction You have to have the club moving in a consistent direction. You have to have these certain boxes need to be checked However, if it was completely objective Rory and Scotty would look like the same golfer and they couldn't look like more opposite golfers. So there's a huge amount of subjectivity to accomplishing the objectives that are non-negotiable to be good golfers figuring out how you're going to move most efficiently is. A huge piece in that puzzle and figuring out that puzzle for Colin and I think step one is okay Let's go and chat with some professionals on. What's moving? What's strong and stable and maybe so strong and so stable that it's? Compensating for the pieces of me that aren't so strong and aren't so stable and aren't so flexible or mobile and you start to highlight. Those deficiencies and it gives me a really good understanding of what you're gonna be capable of. Based off how your body can move and I think it's a huge step in the right direction and then. Understanding a little bit about the golf swing the objectives that we need to check those boxes and saying. Now that you understand those objectives and you understand where your deficiencies are in your body you can work on those deficiencies you can focus objectively on accomplishing these things and Subjectively how you do it. Well, that's what makes golf beautiful and an art because it's not just science. There's a lot of science there that's the objective but the art and Beauty of the game is saying okay, I have to accomplish these objectives. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Subjectively, this is how I do that the way you phrase that makes me think of another analogy from music I'm thinking let's say the best guitarists in the world each one of them if you know guitar playing You'll know immediately that is Brian May from Queen or whoever that is or Stevie Ray Vaughan or whoever that is But all of them across the board they have learned the technical proficiency at a level between basic notes Chords putting things together in that structure that you have and once you have that down just like with a golf swing. That then liberates you to be creative and to have your own personal signature sound and swing. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Exactly Yeah, yeah, exactly That's a great bridge between music and golf because there's science to music There's science to tone and pitch Yes, but how people accomplish it how each artist accomplishes those things is different. It's unique And golf's the exact same way. It's like we need to get your center of mass in front of the ball Yes, and the sooner we do that in your backswing because you're like, okay top of the backswing now I go No, you got to go earlier. Starting to learn when that is for you for some players It's at p3 for some players. It's at almost p4 for some players. It's at p2. They're like I got to get this way Yes, so you're thinking for me It's at I think it's probably when the club is just past parallel with the ground like as soon as you start to feel That right side getting a little longer as soon as you start to feel that Extension of your right leg. You need to start feeling like you're getting those hips to bump your body in the third grade. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast All right, well should I now try to put that theory into practice here and hit a couple seven irons. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Absolutely and see how we do here. Absolutely. All right the face is a hair open. Yeah path was two degrees from the inside, which is good what we're looking for is a draw. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast I can feel my hip moving forward, but I'm sure if I saw it on video, it's not enough. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional It's probably not nearly as much as you think and feels right. They're very different things. So that was very closed face, I think that's a good lesson in and of itself is that when you talk about movement patterns and we had that Mountain analogy if you watch Professional golf if you watch PGA Tour golf DP World Tour. You watch the Masters coverage and you see the players on the tee box getting ready to hit a shot. They line up their shot. They stare it down. They do they go through their whole pre shot routine But before they even do that a lot of times they'll sit there and they will Exaggerate the heck right out of whatever it is that they're trying to do because they know that even though they're Exaggerating it in their rehearsal swings. It might change their path from three to three point one, right? But it's a game of inches, right? So that point one could be the difference between a putt going in and a putt not going in which could be the difference between Justin Rose more Rory McIlroy, which is a green jacket. Yeah, the Exaggeration piece is something that's missing part of the reason why it's missing is because people really don't know what it is. They should be working on there's so much information out there now. There's between the internet between YouTube and Instagram and TikTok and in-person indoor outdoor. Everyone's an instructor as soon as you get to the range. There's a lot of info Yeah, so sifting through what info is applicable to you is the difficult piece here But once you know what it is that you should be working on and you believe that you have the right direction That's when the exaggerated feels can make a huge difference and that's when you can start to have these building blocks towards better results. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Love the way you put that so, okay So to recap on my chipping and pitching I've got the takeaway already. So I'm coming from the outside So I'm looking for a negative angle bounce club face open. So seems like technically I've managed to get that with you standing here. So that's what I'm gonna be working on for that Yeah, and now with a seven iron, so all my mid irons here gonna be working through so right now My swing thought is at the top of the swing. My first movement is getting that hip forward So I'm gonna be working on that even I'm gonna be standing in the shower I'm gonna be doing that one there, which will look weird when my wife walks in but that's okay. So I understand that I've got those two pieces once again we're talking about three actionable things that myself can work on. Also others that are listening and watching that they can work on and maybe different things for them. But to actually make it so it's manageable, these bite-sized pieces rather than trying to swallow the whole thing at once. Okay, so we have those two pieces. Why don't I take a couple more swings here with my seven iron and then to finish up? We only have so much time with you here today Quinn. Why don't we move to the club that I really don't want to swing in front of you and that's my driver Yeah, so I'll hit a couple more seven irons here. The mindset of really trying to move that hip forward. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Close. That was better yeah, okay, that's carry distance 170. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast Yeah, like 170 with a seven iron that's at least 10 to 15 yards. I usually hit it about 156 ish. Quinn Vilneff - Class A PGA of Canada Teaching Professional Yeah You hit a couple big ones there, right? Cuz like even before we chatted the 170 and a 182 yarder in there as well. Like those are pretty big numbers and those come from again that spin loft. So if you're if your club path is from the inside and you're closing the face That's going to reduce that spin loft and increase your distance. Colin Weston - Host of The ModGolf Podcast There we go. Make sense. It's math. Alright, the one that I'm now dreading but needs to be addressed because it's a major problem for me and why my golf is kind of stuck in a mediocre place And that's the driver. Let's do it!