Introduction

0:09 - Liam Dacko: Hello and welcome to Stonehill Stories, the official podcast of Stonehill College. I’m your host, Liam Dacko, Class of 2016. Recently, I sat down with two remarkable Stonehill alumni—Lisa (Young) Palladino, Class of 1987, and my classmate, Matt Brown, Class of 2016, both of whom lead with possibility. Though they attended Stonehill several years apart, the pair got to know each other while collaborating on a powerful book called Wishes on Wheels. Edited by Suzanne Galvin, this anthology highlights the voices of young writers who use wheelchairs to support their independence and mobility. Featuring a foreword by Matt Brown, the book was published by Little Dreamer Press, an organization founded by Lisa Palladino. I’m so pleased to share my discussion with Lisa and Matt, in which they not only explore their work producing Wishes on Wheels but also reflect on their Stonehill experiences. 

Interview

1:33 - Liam Dacko: Lisa and Matt, I wanted to thank you both so much for being here today. You know, this episode is pretty unique in that it's the first time I've interviewed two people at once, so I'm anticipating this will be a pretty special episode.

1:46 - Lisa Palladino: Well, thank you. 

1:48 - Matt Brown: Yeah. Well, I know, I know Lisa and I are super excited to be here. And I just can't thank you enough for, you know, having the foresight to invite us down and have this unique story, this intertwining story, become something that the public can now hear. 

2:04 - Liam Dacko: Well, you know, Matt, it's also really nice to have you here, just in the fact that, you know, we were classmates, both Class of 2016. We didn't know each other back then, but finally getting to make your acquaintance is really nice. So definitely appreciate that you came down here. And Lisa, you flew all the way from out of state, so, you know, that really means a lot too. 

2:24 - Lisa Palladino: Absolutely. Any excuse to come to Stonehill. 

2:27 - Liam Dacko: So, you know, I always like to start off by asking, how did your Stonehill journeys begin? Why did you choose to attend the College? 

2:34 - Lisa Palladino: I grew up in Vermont, and I had my heart set on attending Middlebury College. And then I found out that they didn't have elementary ed as a major. So, I was in my guidance counselor's office in high school, saw a brochure for Stonehill and said, “That looks like Middlebury.” And brought it home to my parents. My mother's from Walpole, so she knew about Stonehill. She said, “We'll go visit next time we go see your grandmother.” And it ended up being the only school I applied to. I just fell in love with it, had my heart set on it.

3:05 - Liam Dacko: The rest is history. 

3:06 - Lisa Palladino: And the rest is history. 

3:07 - Liam Dacko: Matt, how about you? 

3:08 - Matt Brown: So, I think my journey to Stonehill starts when I was in elementary school. My aunt, my dad's younger sister, was hired as the women's head basketball coach back in 2001, 2002. And so, we grew up coming down to watch her teams play from a young age, friends, family. And at that age, I just fell in love with the school. I loved the campus. I thought about what it'd be like to be a college student. And then when I had my accident, Stonehill opened up their arms, and I knew that there was going to be no other place where I wanted to go.

3:44 - Liam Dacko: And just to clarify for our listeners, the aunt you mentioned is Trish Brown, beloved community member. Like you said, been here a really long time and really has become a Stonehill staple in a lot of ways. 

3:57 - Matt Brown: Exactly. And, you know, knowing that she'd be down here, I knew that I was going to be very lucky with the support group that I had. 

4:06 - Liam Dacko: And you both attended Stonehill during different eras, Lisa in the 80s, Matt during the 2010s. But what do you recall about your Stonehill experiences? What were some of the highlights of your time on campus? Who were the people who really impacted you during your time here? 

4:22 - Lisa Palladino: For me, my entire senior year was a highlight. I just want to say that I loved my time at Stonehill. I love that it's a liberal arts school because I had the ed classes that gave me a real foundation for my career. But then I also took some really interesting classes and two that stand out for me are “Social Movements” with Professor Wessling. It really gave me a deeper understanding of even what's going on in the world today. So, I learned a lot in that class, and I found it really interesting. And then my senior year, my roommate and I took a class called “The Creative Process” with Professor Dahlin and that was just a blast. And I didn't realize then how much that would help me when I started my own business from scratch 25 years later or when I started Little Dreamer Press. The things I learned there came back. I actually saw Professor Dahlin at our 30th reunion and he recognized me and said that he still uses some of the things that my roommate and I did in that class with his students then. And so, it was just really cool to me that we had an impact just like he had an impact on me. So yeah, those two classes for sure. 

5:29 - Matt Brown: You just brought a smile to my face because Professor Dahlin was one of the highlights that I was going to talk about in his “Disability” class and his “Gerontology” class. Seeing him on campus was always a highlight. Very, very funny. His classes were an hour and a half or 50 minutes of him just telling stories that you still think about all these years later.

5:55 - Lisa Palladino: Absolutely. Isn't that funny? That's another connection between us, Matt. 

5:59 - Liam Dacko: You know, he has since retired, since both of you graduated, but still a very beloved member of our community. I never personally had him for a class, but whenever I'm talking to alumni, he's commonly cited as someone who's particularly influential to people. So, it's great that he had such a positive impact on you. 

6:18 - Matt Brown: Big time impact.

6:19 - Liam Dacko: That’s great. Matt, you had referenced a couple of minutes ago your accident. For those who don't know, you suffered a spinal cord injury during a 2010 hockey game that resulted in your paralysis from the chest down. What impact did your injury have on your college experience? 

6:36 - Matt Brown: I think, you know, one of the things that I talk about is that when I was in Children's Hospital, you know, in those early days, it was early when we said it was time to look forward and not back. We couldn't change the past no matter what, no matter how much we wanted to. And I think that was when…having that mindset, I knew that kind of, you know, getting back to high school was a big step. But then going on and continuing my education was a big step. And from the beginning, I told myself, told my parents, told my friends that I wanted to have a true college experience, not to get dropped off and get picked up experience. So, you hear the stories of freshmen being nervous when they get dropped off at school for the first time. I was 10 times that. But being accepted into Stonehill in that summer, we were so lucky that the entire school, we had Facilities, Academic Services, Residence Life, Student Affairs. They all came together with a member of each team and created a team for us. And it made the transition into school so much easier. 

7:38 - Matt Brown: I had a roommate. I was just his best man at his wedding earlier this summer, lived with me all four years. I had a one-to-one aide who graduated the year before us, Pat Lee, who quickly lost that title because he became one of my closest friends. It was as if everyone wanted to make it work. That's what I owe so much to Stonehill, is that the students that would come to class with me, facilitators that would take my notes, just beginning to end, it was something that I was so lucky for. And I realized another big thing was that going to college and getting out of my comfort zone at home allowed me to realize that you can do it on your own. And I wasn't doing it on my own with the support system. But I realized that I could get out of that comfort zone at home, go to something new, and try to make a new chapter rather than the one at home.

8:31 - Liam Dacko: It's great to hear that you had so many supports here. I mean, intrinsic to Stonehill's mission is this idea of validating and respecting the inherent dignity of all people. So, no matter anyone's personal circumstances, we want to uplift them, find ways to ensure that they'll flourish during their time here. So, I'm really glad you had that support system. 

8:54 - Matt Brown: It was the best, yeah. 

8:55 - Lisa Palladino: It makes me really proud to be an alumni hearing that story, too. I'm proud of Stonehill for how they did receive you. 

9:02 - Matt Brown: Absolutely. 

9:03 - Liam Dacko: Matt, what advice do you have for young people who have to balance significant challenges in their lives alongside the demands of pursuing a Stonehill education? 

9:10 - Matt Brown: Yeah, I think there's a few layers to this. One is don't be afraid to move outside your comfort zone. It's going to be terrifying at first. I remember those first couple of weeks at school, lying in bed at night, staring at the ceiling thinking, I made the wrong decision, made the wrong decision. But like anything, each day got a little bit better, each day got a little bit easier, and you realize that you can do it. The second is don't be afraid to make mistakes. Don't be afraid to ask for help. There is so much help on this campus with the Student Affairs, with professors, TAs, that no one on this campus wants to see someone get left behind or be lost when they don't have the answers. So, I think never be afraid to ask for help, whether it's big or small. You've got to end the stigma of doing on your own, you're maturing, you're growing up, it's time for you to figure it out on your own. There's so much help here. I think the third thing would be time management. With academics, social life, but then personal things that need to get done. There are different things that you need. Time management was something that I did not know about when I got here, and I quickly learned and it quickly made everything a lot easier. Set that to-do list, use that calendar on your laptop and on the wall, and then all three of those things, it slowly becomes a whole lot easier. If you step out of your comfort zone, don't be afraid to ask for help and use that time management wisely. You're going to flourish here. 

10:40 - Liam Dacko: To pivot a little bit, as I mentioned, the two of you attended Stonehill several years apart, but how did you two become connected with each other?

10:48 - Lisa Palladino: So, we talked before about connections. We have a mutual friend, Suzanne Galvin, who is the editor of the book that we're going to talk about today. And earlier last year, I had the idea to create a poetry anthology written by children who were impacted by rare childhood cancers to benefit the Isabella Santos Foundation in Charlotte. And I founded Little Dreamer Press for the purpose of publishing that book. And one of my earliest and just biggest supporters was Suzanne Galvin. So then when I had the second idea of continuing the mission of Little Dreamer Press to make a difference in lives of children and to showcase causes, highlight causes that support their health and well-being, I thought I could do it again. But Suzanne popped in my mind. And I knew from just social media, she and I taught together over 30 years ago, but staying in touch over the years and from her social media, I knew about Matt. I knew about the Matt Brown Foundation. I didn't know Matt, but just I saw on Suzanne's Facebook and social media. When the idea of Wishes on Wheels came in my head, I said, Suzanne, how about this? What do you think if we do the same blueprint for Wishes and Wings, but we do it for Wishes on Wheels and see if Matt would be on board? Well, Suzanne and Matt were on board right away.

12:13 - Matt Brown: Yeah, when Suzanne reached out with the idea and kind of gave me a little bit of the ideas that she was thinking, I said, “Absolutely. I would absolutely be honored to be a part of this.” And then being able to write the foreword was something that was super, super special. So when Mrs. Galvin reached out with the idea and then gave me some deeper feedback and ideas that she was thinking, I thought it'd be such an honor to, one, follow in Wishes and Wings with something for the mobility impaired. And then when they said that the proceeds would help the foundation, I was over the moon. And being able to write that foreword was something really special and something that I really enjoyed. And the last nine months have just been a dream, better than I ever imagined they could be. And it's just been such a special thing that we have going, and we can't wait to see where it goes. 

13:16 - Liam Dacko: Now, Matt, what lessons have you drawn from your collaborations with both Lisa and Suzanne? 

13:21 - Matt Brown: Trust those in your life that come to you with ideas and with the ideas and the energy behind it. Just in the first couple of minutes hearing Mrs. Galvin talk, I knew that this was something that she was going to be passionate about. This is something she believed in, and it was the best thing to realize that the book is in good hands with her. And then everyone has stories to tell. It doesn't matter how we walk. It doesn't matter how we move. Some walk, some run, some roll down hallways. It doesn't matter how we get around. We all have stories to tell. And I think that's been one of the coolest things that we've seen from that is there's been folks that can't speak, can't control their chair, but have stories to tell that we really, really hit home and brought a smile to many people's faces when they read it.

14:09 - Liam Dacko: Lisa, same question to you. What have you learned from working with Suzanne and Matt? 

14:13 - Lisa Palladino: Well, Suzanne, I already knew, like I said, when the idea came to me, without a doubt, I knew that Suzanne was the person to follow through with it. And I knew about Matt, again, from Suzanne, but it wasn't until I met him and I just saw the positivity. That was my huge takeaway from Matt, was just how positive he is and how forward-thinking he is and his outlook on the future and not focusing on the past. I just thought he was a living example of what people should be, no matter what their situation is. He's just so inspiring. And I just took that away, that he is just a really genuine, good guy. He just happens to be in a wheelchair. 

14:56 - Liam Dacko: Now, what's been the response to the book so far? 

14:59 - Lisa Palladino: Oh, I'll let Matt speak to that, but from my perspective, because remember, I'm in Charlotte, but watching it, I've just been amazed by the reception. From my point of view, I could not be happier. From the children that wrote the poems themselves, when Suzanne reached out to the tech school in East Walpole, their response that, yes, they were all into, and other children and young adults who said they wanted to participate, that was fantastic. But Matt, you've seen firsthand.

15:30 - Matt Brown: Yeah, it's been great. At Norwood Day in early September, we were over at the Blue Bunny in Dedham, and then Park Street Books in Medfield a few weeks after that. The turnout has been great. One, seeing the poets themselves come and grab their book and flip to the pages that they wrote, seeing the smile that comes to their face and their family's face has been great. But then hearing the story of just an individual with a young child that picked up the book, we hope that opens up doors for the younger generation where seeing someone in a wheelchair isn't totally as taboo as it might have been for them in the past. It's not scary. It's different, but you'll soon realize that just because it might be a little different, there are a lot more that we have in common. I think at that age, the elementary school age, it's super important for folks to read it and get an idea of that. Just because they get around different, it doesn't mean that they're all that different.

16:35 - Liam Dacko: Right, right. It's all about representation, just normalizing things that should be normalized. Lisa, thinking broadly, what's been the most gratifying thing for you about managing Little Dreamer Press? 

16:48 - Lisa Palladino: So, the original goal was to raise funds and awareness for charities, and that still is the main goal. The mission of Little Dreamer Press is to support children and young adults with different differences, disabilities, or abilities, not disabilities, I should say, Matt. So that has been gratifying for me that that goal has been achieved. The response has been great. We are raising an incredible amount of money. The other part that I wasn't expecting and has been so gratifying for me has been the response from the actual poets themselves. With my first book, Wishes and Wings, there is a little poet, a cancer survivor, who has become a celebrity in our area in Charlotte, and she has her own book signings and everything. And just to see the joy that it's brought her and her family, that to me is really gratifying. That's like a bonus to actually raising awareness for rare pediatric cancers. And then when I saw the children that wrote the poems for Wishes on Wheels, and their faces light up, and the way they were looking at Matt, and the way they were so excited seeing the reaction from the children and young adults, so not all children, but the poets, that was an unexpected surprise for me, just how much they would enjoy this and get out of it personally themselves.

18:13 - Liam Dacko: How would you say your Stonehill experiences, as well as the College's mission to create a more just and compassionate world, has informed the work that you do? 

18:23 - Lisa Palladino: So, I have to start with my parents, because my parents always led by example, with fairness and justice and compassion for all. When I got to Stonehill, I felt like Stonehill nurtured that. I felt very much at home and comfortable with being able to challenge ideas at Stonehill with respect. I felt like that was received the way Matt talked about, the way he was supported at Stonehill. I think just mentally, my ideas were supported, even though they might have been challenged and were different. So that support from Stonehill. When I think about that question, I think my parents planted the seeds and Stonehill watered the garden. Like it was already there, it just got nurtured. 

19:02 - Liam Dacko: Right, right. Now, Matt, just as Little Dreamer Press is something that Lisa has made a positive impact on the world through, you've also made a positive impact through your foundation. Tell me a bit about the origins of the Matt Brown Foundation, as well as the organization's impact. 

19:21 - Matt Brown: Sure. So, you know, that first week or two after I got hurt, I didn't have just someone at Children's Hospital. I had, you know, it felt like a tiny village. I had friends, family, strangers in the community, the hockey community, all of New England was really behind me. And that, like I said, was when I first realized that I wasn't going to go through this alone. That support system helped me through high school, helped me down here at college. Stonehill College itself became part of that village. And I was just super lucky that the response that I had from the community allowed us to do a ton of things. I realized that, you know, that idea and that drive for a foundation of my own kept coming up. The Travis Roy Foundation was something, and Travis was someone that had a big impact on my life. The Boston Bruins Foundation had a big impact, and the Thomas E. Smith Foundation. So, I thought, you know, why don't we try to get our feet/wheels wet and see what we can do? Of course, that happened in June 2020, smack dab in the middle of a pandemic, I decided it would be a good idea to launch the foundation. And I don't recommend that for many folks out there. But what that allowed us was it allowed me to learn what I needed to learn. We could take our time. We weren't able to have an event for almost 15 months. Launched in June, our first event was a golf tournament in September 2021. But after that was the first marathon in 2021 that we ran for.

20:48 - Matt Brown: Six months later was the April marathon because everything went back to normal. While we had to wait a while, everything started to ramp up very quickly. Year one, we were able to do $25,000 in grants, which was awesome. Year two, $70,000. Year three, $75,000. Last year, we did $130,000. And this year, nine months, 10 months into the year, we've surpassed $225,000 just this year alone. I like to say that I'm the lucky one with the name on it. But it's those that golf. It's those that run. It's those that raise money for us that allow us to do what we do. It all happened because going through this journey, you see others that need it more. And I knew that we could take our village behind us to maybe become part of someone else's village behind them and try to make their tomorrow a little bit better than their today. 

21:34 - Liam Dacko: And your work with the foundation isn't your only job. You're also a motivational speaker and you wrote your own book called Line Change, which offers readers insights into your experiences. Why do you feel it's important to share your story with others? 

21:50 - Matt Brown: You know, I think the big thing is that…a few different things. One, you know, I want folks and individuals to look at me going through hard times. They're not alone. These…this day and age, it could be something at school, something at work, something on the on the athletic field, something, something going on that you can see me, you can see the physical. A lot of…there's a lot of folks dealing with mental stuff up there. And once again, you're not alone. But the second thing is that, you know, I haven't given up yet. There's been days that I wanted to, you know, take that “Never Quit: motto that we did and throw it in the trash. Absolutely. The days I wanted to wave the white flag. Absolutely. But at 15 and now at 31 years…Geez, I'm getting old…you know, I realized I still have a long life to live and I'd be foolish to let it waste away. And I just want to show folks that, listen, I haven't given up yet. It's not easy. You don't got to go through on your own. And I think, you know, hopefully individuals can see that there's a lot more good out there, even though it might seem like the world's crashing down on them. You know, attitude overcomes adversity.

22:57 - Liam Dacko: And you mentioned your participation in marathons earlier. I'd love to learn a little more about that. 

23:04 - Matt Brown: Absolutely. So myself and Lucas Carr started way back in 2012. And Lucas was from Norwood, heard about the accident, was in the military getting out right about the time that I was getting, right about the time that I got hurt. And about a year and a half later, he came by the house one day and said, “You know, would Matt ever want to participate in the Boston Marathon?” And I blurted out “Yes!” before I even knew how it was going to happen. Was he going to have to carry me? Was I going to have to use this chair? But I knew that I was missing something in that athletic space that I had my whole life. When we finally figured out, yes, Lucas got in touch with Adaptive Star out in Seattle, and we had got my dimensions before I knew it had a racing chair. And so, 2012 was our first marathon. We ran Hyannis in February, Boston in April. And since then, we've only missed one or two. It's a special feeling being able to get back in that competitive spirit. Like I say, I feel the wind in my face. I hated running growing up when I before I got hurt. But being able to get back into that competitive spirit, it's something that I wish everyone could experience once, just going right on Hereford and left on Boylston and crossing that finish line. For years, we ran and raised money for some great organizations. But we always, in the back of our minds, had the ambition of one day running the Boston Marathon for ourselves. 

24:30 - Matt Brown: And in 2021, that happened for the first time with Mary Kate. For each of the next four years, myself and Lucas ran with another individual. And then finally, last year, after years of…years of applying, we were accepted into the official charity program of the Boston Marathon, Bank of America and the BAA. We received five bibs last year. We received another five bibs this year. Being a part of that, it's the big leagues. We had 35 applications last year. We're already up to 15 this year. Folks really want to run the Boston Marathon for the foundation, which means so much. I owe it all to Lucas. That crazy guy one day said, you know, would not ever want to run. And look at where it led us to now. It's funny, you know, that certain situations like mine, I’ve run and have been pushed. And it's, listen, he's doing all the work. I'm just a little guide dog holding a stick out with a bone and him just chasing it. He's just chasing it for 26.2 miles. But you get bounced around a lot. The body takes a beating depending upon the weather. You run it in the rain, sleet, you know, 99 degrees. The body takes a beating. But, you know, sleep one or two days and then get back to work and figure out what we can do with the funds. And this last year, in 2025, we were able to raise $140,000 just at the foundation alone. And that right there pays for bathroom renovations, handicap accessible vans, some of the overhead lifts that we do. So, no, being able to, you know, count on that every year is something that we are forever grateful for to the BAA and Bank of America. 

26:06 - Liam Dacko: I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the fact that the financial support that you have been able to help provide people extends back even to your days at Stonehill. Our class, the Class of 2016, established the Matt Brown Perseverance Scholarship. I'm wondering what does it mean to you for your classmates to have chosen to honor you that way by establishing the scholarship? 

26:32 - Matt Brown: Yeah, I got through this without getting too emotional. So, I'll see how I do over the next five minutes. I remember, you know, hearing that each year the class donates something. There have been benches, trees. There have been walkways.

26:50 - Liam Dacko: The clock on the Quad. 

26:51 - Matt Brown: Exactly, exactly. There have been some amazing gifts that the class has come together for. I grew suspicious when two members of the committee reached out one day and said, “Would you mind if we came over to chat?” And I said, “Where do you want to meet?” They said, “We can meet right in your dorm room.” But they said that they wanted to meet and when they got there, they asked and offered if the Class of 2016 gift would be the Matt Perseverance Scholarship for future classes to come and reach out and ask if they need assistance that that scholarship would be there. That was a surprise. It's still a surprise today. I can't thank the group enough. But for them to be able to do that in our name, it meant more than words can really get across. I was just at a loss for words. It meant so much. And getting those emails and getting those letters that come in of folks and individuals still donating 10 years later really means a lot. 

28:02 - Liam Dacko: Yeah, I imagine it is pretty heartwarming to know that even though you're not physically on this campus every day, your impact and your legacy continues.

28:10 - Matt Brown: Yeah, special thing that they did. 

28:12 - Liam Dacko: On the topic of giving back to Stonehill, Lisa, a couple of years ago, you wrote an article titled “Why I Give” for our Alumni Magazine. Could you share why remaining an involved, supportive and active alumna is a meaningful thing to you? 

28:29 - Lisa Palladino: As I said then, and I've said many, many times over my life, everything in my adult life goes back to Stonehill, like everything. I got the education that supported my career at Stonehill. I met my roommate that was just randomly assigned at Stonehill and became my best friend and a huge, important part of my life until she passed away nine years ago. I met my husband and the father of my children in Colonial Court. And so, I would say that Stonehill didn't just prepare me for life, it gave me my life. So, if I can give back in any way, I absolutely would do that.

29:08 - Liam Dacko: To bring the conversation to a close, I want to ask a question that I often like to pose to my guests. We share with prospective students that Stonehill is a place to find your purpose or your calling in life. Reflecting on your lives and your journeys thus far, what would each of you say your life's calling has been? Lisa, do you want to go first? 

29:31 - Lisa Palladino: For me, I think it has always been teaching. I was that kid that played school at home starting in kindergarten when I glued worksheets to my bedroom walls to make it look like the bulletin boards in my classroom. I've always been drawn to helping children, to helping the most vulnerable among us. So, I think Stonehill nurtured that. Like I said, it was always there, but Stonehill nurtured it for sure. First it was in the classroom in Walpole, then it was with my literacy center that I owned. Now with Little Dreamer Press, I always want to do something that makes things better for children. So that, I guess, has been my calling. But really my true purpose in life, I would have to say, is being a mother. I have to say that. Being my daughter's mom, my son's mom, that's been the greatest blessing of my life. It all started at Stonehill. 

30:27 - Matt Brown: Hardest job in the world, being a mother. 

30:30 - Lisa Palladino: When you think of a purpose and a calling, for me it has to do with children and of course my own.

30:38 - Liam Dacko: Right. And Matt, what about you? 

30:40 - Matt Brown: You know, I think it goes back to Professor Dahlin and something that he talked about a lot in that “Disability” class was when it came time to pick our semester-long project, he kept uttering, “Find something that puts a fire in your belly.” And I think a few of us thought that he was just talking about the semester, but those words and that thought has stuck with myself and I know many of us since we had the class. And what happened in 2010 was a tough, tough thing. I like to talk about that when one door closes, it doesn't mean they all close. In 2010, being on the ice, that was a big door that closed. But it was my job to find another door that was open, to find more doors that were open, not let the future kind of waste away. And I think that led us to the foundation. But it goes back to just the support system that I had early on, knowing what I know, what it means to have that support system. It opened my eyes to those that might not be as fortunate and to be able to have this foundation five years in, cross the $500,000 threshold in those five years. I'm excited for what the future holds. I know that behind every grant is a life that is irrevocably changed forever, depending upon how severe the accident is and the paralysis. For us to be there to hopefully, like I said before, make someone's tomorrow a little bit easier, a little bit better than their today, we're going to stick to that for as long as it takes. And I think that's what puts the fire in my belly.

32:24 - Liam Dacko: Well, I think that is an excellent note to cap this episode off with. Lisa and Matt, thank you so much for joining me. It's been a pleasure talking with you. Lisa, I hope you have a safe flight back to North Carolina. And Matt, I hope to see you at our reunion in the summer. 

32:40 - Matt Brown: It's on my calendar. Liam, thank you so much. 

32:42 - Lisa Palladino: Thank you. This has been great. Thank you so much. 

32:44 - Liam Dacko: Thank you. Thank you.

Credits

32:47 - Liam Dacko: Thank you for listening to Stonehill Stories. This podcast is produced by Liam Dacko of Stonehill College’s Office of Communications and Media Relations. Intro theme composed by Associate Professor of Music James Bohn. Outro theme composed by Philip Pereira. Graphic design assistance provided by Colin Spencer. Recorded in the MacPhaidin Library’s Podcast Studio. To discover more about Stonehill College, visit our website at Stonehill.edu.